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381  Other / Off-topic / 🎂🎁 🎈Today's the birthday of a unknowned Bitcoiner🎈🎁🎂 on: March 04, 2019, 05:32:38 PM
382  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO][SGOLD] SpaceGold - Bringing Physical Gold from Space on: March 02, 2019, 09:21:05 PM
From the OP: "You are right that space travel is costly, but less costly now that SpaceX has developed the ability to recover their first stage boosters and reuse them."





Exactly!  64 tonnes to low earth orbit for under $90 million.  That's $1.4 million per tonne.  Construction cost $2.3 million per tonne.  These are radical reductions in the cost of space lift, especially for this sized payload.  

"The first two shipments of SpaceGold just landed, valued at over 177M SGOLD."[/center]

Not really.  This is the recovery of the Falcon Heavy Boosters.  NOT throwing them away permits SpaceX to compete at far lower prices with major space launch providers AND make more profit!  SpaceX has about 45% market share now in the space launch business.  Compare ULA's Delta Heavy's payload with its cost and you can see the difference.  

Definitive proof that we're currently mining asteroids for gold VVV


No, landing boosters doesn't prove that we've flown to asteroids and retrieved material.  The twenty-one missions that flew to asteroids prove we know how to fly to asteroids and retrieve material!  lol.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_minor_planets

I thought I was responding to the post you made where you asked two important questions, that deserve answers;

(1) Why don't I invest in the companies themselves?

A: Because investing directly means you're investing in a particular company's stock and no other, and are dependent on their management's ability to generate a profit using whatever technology they're working on and their willingness to share it with shareholders.  Shareholders come last in the list of beneficiaries.  Customers come first.  Employees second.  Creditors third.  Shareholders and other stakeholders, fourth.  

SGOLD is a commodity contract with definite well defined delivery.  Buyers are literally agreeing to buy gold refined and returned from space and providing funds to the entire industry to do just that!  Those commodity commodity contracts are aggregated and give SGOLD the means to arrange production with qualified vendors.  This diversifies risk as well.  

Some qualified companies have no clear plan for asteroid mining yet, and are admittedly R&D efforts.  These efforts may fail.  This suppresses their value going forward.  

SGOLD has a proven automated solar powered technique for extracting and refining regolith using solar pumped laser light and is willing to sponsor missions with qualified vendors using this method, or a recovery and refining method they might develop.  

SGOLD hires companies and loan the project necessary funds needed to fulfill the sponsored mission using a project finance model.  Vendors will build, test, launch and operate satellites at cost, and share in the project revenue from delivery of gold to SGOLD.  

SGOLD receives a performance guarantee in the form of a performance bond or stock swap option in the event of non performance from Vendors in order to receive the order for gold.

The ability to swap loan obligation to SGOLD for stock for money on loan and added funds that are used to refly or correct a failed mission (in the event of launcher failure for example) gives the holders of SGOLD exposure to stock gain since options are based on today's prices.  

SGOLD holders stand first in the revenue stream, and their benefit is well defined.  Stocks are not.  SGOLD is a commodity contract for a portion of the output of space mines SGOLD arranges to build with qualified vendors.  Only 66% of the SGOLD revenue need be spent on these missions to achieve the underlying revenue stream called for and only 55% of the retrieved gold need be used to satisfy the obligations of the contract.

This means that if SGOLD flies say 12 mining satellites, they will have the resources to refly up to 4, and if only 5 of the 9 meet targeted production rates, ALL SGOLD holders have their contracts met.  The revenue earned from delivery of those SGOLD contracts is sufficient to fly additional satellites with the highest performing vendors.

SGOLD is a token that may be traded like any other you cannot do that with stocks.  

(2) Investors have to wait 20 years for return?

No, SGOLD holders are ordering 20 years of gold production from automated space mines, recognising the risks.  Delivery occurs every month after return of the first capsule.  0.1 troy ounce minimum deliverable quantity.    

Mining engines will operate very much like communications satellites.  All the money is spent developing testing and launching the satellite, and then the satellite operates without further assistance automatically powered by solar energy for decades.  

SGOLD contracts will be put together and project missions will be sponsored with qualified vendors using proven recovery techniques.

SGOLD holders are customers that are making space mining happen.  They stand ahead of everyone else in the projects and their risk is diversified across all the projects with performance guaranteed by the vendors.  

Each SGOLD is a contract to buy 1 milligram of gold per month from a space mine at 25% of the London Precious Metal Market price at time of delivery, for 240 months of production.  

Each SGOLD costs 0.0041 eth and returns 1 milligram per month for 240 months, altogether worth 0.07292 eth by paying over 240 months a total of 0.01823 at time of delivery - netting a gain of 0.05469 eth for each 0.0041 eth SGOLD token.  A substantial gain of 1,330% over the period.  

Each tile produced in space has an embedded RFID which is put in the blockchain at time of manufacture, and will likely sell at a premium to commodity gold, regardless of the prices here.  

Furthermore, should the ownership of gold bullion become restricted at some point in the future, as it was in the USA prior to 1972, SGOLD will argue that given its unique source it should be excluded from confiscation. In the worst situation reserves can be held off world until conditions change or landed in a nation that will not confiscate SGOLD physical.  SGOLD gives buyers options terrestrial mining does not.  

Each SGOLD Physical tile is 10.5 mm x 20.2 mm x 0.76 mm tile masses 0.1 troy ounce and is worth 0.9450 eth at today's prices.  

To get one tile each month requires the purchase of 3110 SGOLD at 12.75 eth and returns 240 monthly deliveries of 0.1 troy ounce of gold worth 0.9450 eth with the payment of 0.26325 eth. A total of 24 troy ounces from space worth 226.8 eth over the contract period at today's prices.  Obviously both eth and gold are hedges against inflation or financial black swan events.  





Hey, thanks, bud. My bad, for I truly thought that those were shipments of gold from the asteroids.
383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Decentral Way - DCW | PoW Masternode | Pre-Sale - only 100 Masternodes! on: March 01, 2019, 07:31:32 PM
Our PRE-SALE is Live
Benefit from an early purchase.


Exchange Listing is on going.
Vote for your favorite exchange --> HERE <--


I can't imagine someone looking at these terrible graphics and that price tag attached and falling for this, but I've been surprised before.

How many Investardz does it take to change a light bulb?

It all depends what the ROI is.

384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Decentral Way - DCW | PoS / MN | Pre-Sale | Multiple Blockchain Project on: March 01, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
Only brainiacs like myself can figure out the hard stuff ...

385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO][SGOLD] SpaceGold - Bringing Physical Gold from Space on: February 28, 2019, 04:58:58 PM
From the OP: "You are right that space travel is costly, but less costly now that SpaceX has developed the ability to recover their first stage boosters and reuse them."


"The first two shipments of SpaceGold just landed, valued at over 177M SGOLD."

Definitive proof that we're currently mining asteroids for gold VVV

386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO][SGOLD] SpaceGold - Bringing Physical Gold from Space on: February 28, 2019, 03:28:42 AM
I notice you edited every single one of your messages to claim that the negative trust I gave you was "bogus." It certainly was not. I told you about the plagiarism and pointed out the original sources of your white paper material. You denied it. Thus, your negative trust was earned.

Quoted for posterity:

Gold Streaming From Space

Each SGOLD token costs around $0.50 and promises 240 milligrams of gold over 240 months after production starts, requiring a payment of 25% of the gold value at time of delivery.  So, each SGOLD is purchased at $0.50 and delivers $11.00 worth of gold after paying $2.75 (25% of $11) once gold is in hand.  That $2.75 can come from the gold stream itself, it can be paid in cash, or you can redeem additional SGOLD at $0.50 today and redeem them at $11.00 for this purpose.

240 months after production starts? So that's 20 years after the first gold has been mined from space by a company that you are invested in! You expect people to be invested in your company for a bare minimum of 21 years! Assuming it only takes a year to get a satellite your company has invested in to get to an asteroid and successfully find gold... It could take much, much longer.

Physical gold is returned to Earth on a regular basis from space.

As I said earlier, this is not true. It's never happened. Gold particles may have been found in an asteroid sample, but you don't produce evidence of this. Your claim is thus baseless.

Companies that qualify to support SpaceGold’s streaming contracts are;

  • 1. Deep Space Industries, Inc.
    2. Planetary Resources, Inc.
    3. Moon Express
    4. iSpace Asteroid Mining Corporation
    5. Shackleton Energy Company
    6. Kleos Space S.A.
    7. TransAstra Corporation
    8. SpaceFab.US
    9. National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    10. MokAerospace (Boeing, Rocketdyne & SpaceX)

But you currently have no contracts in place with these companies, correct?

The Global Space Mining Market is expected to be returning 25 tonnes of gold to Earth each year by 2025 which amounts to 1% of all gold mined at that time which supports 2.083 billion SpaceGold tokens created and on offer today.

Again, this is highly speculative. Its zero tons at the moment.

SpaceGold are asset backed tokens that pay out commodities that use smart contract features to implement sophisticated functionality.

Not backed by an asset. Its an investment in a project which may yield zero assets, thus the tokens are not backed by anything except expectations.

I have developed a token called spacegold that is backed by notional production of gold in space and uses Leontieff matrices to make a rational method to organise human affairs.

This solves the problems outlined by Ken Arrow and because we’re dealing with notional production, we are free of the constraints of traditional gold, bitcoins and fiat.

So fix the world buy spacegold!

 Roll Eyes

Pheeewww buddy. This was an awful sales pitch. I feel creeped out after reading it. There are so many problems with your plan. Here's the biggest ones:

1. You expect to form partnerships/contracts with "space gold" mining companies.
2. You are certain the ones you do form contracts with will be successful.
3. Even if they are, you expect your investors to wait for over 20 years to redeem their tokens for real gold.
4. You assume the Ethereum platform will still be around in 20+ years and not replaced by better technology.
5. You didn't take the time to write your own white paper -- without investing the time it takes to create your own white paper, how do you honestly expect investors to be patient for 20 years while waiting for your project to bear fruit?

There's just far too many contingencies to make this a viable plan. Why wouldn't investors just invest in the asteroid mining companies directly?


"Today (or is it night?), I'm celebrating my new business partner: SpaceGold (SGOLD)."


"Satoshi's vision is SpaceGold!"
387  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 🔴 🔴 It's now possible for everybody to be Satoshi ⭕ ⭕ on: February 27, 2019, 10:44:57 PM

"Everyone will now learnt that I'm the true Satoshi Nakamoto.  Now back to building a blockchain thingy where dudes can pay to operate in real-time my 12-speed therapeutic feminine massager wand."
388  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO][SGOLD] SpaceGold - Bringing Physical Gold from Space on: February 27, 2019, 09:08:10 PM

"Fascinating! Captain, I believe that we can create an Ethereum-based ERC-20 token and sell the shares to the Investardz on the BitcoinTalk forum by simply claiming that the Enterprise is now in the business of mining natural dilithium crystals. Dubious, yes, but I've nothing better to do while awaiting my next pon farr."


"Captain, I'm workin' my Sawney ass off 24/7 but I can't keep up with the demand for them Dilithium crystals. You and Spock simply must tell your Investardz that it'll be two more weeks before we can make delivery."



"We're getting the band back together!"
389  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / 🔴 🔴 It's now possible for everybody to be Satoshi ⭕ ⭕ on: February 23, 2019, 09:25:36 PM
https://ethereumworldnews.com/startup-creates-app-signature-btc-genesis-block-satoshi-nakamoto-craig-wright-did/

Reply to this thread if you signed the Genesis Block as Craig Wright did.
390  Economy / Speculation / Re: 🔴 🔴 It's happening! It's happening! It's happening! ⭕ ⭕ on: February 23, 2019, 08:41:20 PM
It's really happening this time!


391  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: IOHK Summit ~ Miami Beach Convention Center (Florida) ~ April 17-18, 2019 on: February 23, 2019, 08:05:22 PM
With more to be added, here's the current list of speakers (myself added shortly): https://iohksummit.io/speakers/.
392  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Whats up with Craig Wright? on: February 21, 2019, 11:40:02 PM
Start a petition to boycott any and all crypto conferences where Craig Wright is schedule to speak, albeit allowing him to attend for possible shit slinging by attendees ...
Ineffectual because "crypto" conference have long been thoroughly overrun with scammers. Everyone who takes a strongly principled position on not attending events with scammer sponsors or speakers are already rejecting almost all events in this space.

Scammers just get a much larger marginal return from promotional activities like conference speaking/sponsorships.  Conferences are almost all run as money making enterprises, so the fact that they're saturated with scammers is unsurprising.

Would you be wiling to participate in one of the Tone Vays' conferences? Either Unconfiscatable conference or the up and coming Understanding Bitcoin ones.

Websites:

http://unconfiscatable.com/
http://understandingbtc.com/

Adam Back and Wladimir Van Der Laan are going to understanding BTC. I think they are the only 2 decent conferences out there. Understanding BTC is aimed at Bitcoin devs mostly.

The first one is over and I missed it, for I live in Vegas. #Sad!
393  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk calls crypto “quite energy intensive” on: February 20, 2019, 08:39:20 PM
"Elon Musk calls crypto quite “energy intensive”"

Says the man building electric cars.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

394  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYYPTO.COM - Plagiarized Whitepaper - Scam on: February 20, 2019, 08:36:54 PM
I'm managing their current bounty, will look into this now. Seems like an oversight in our due dilligence. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Kudos for looking into it, bud.
395  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CARTOONS - Are you going to invest on these ICOs? on: February 20, 2019, 07:14:53 PM

I replied to the linked-to thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111666.msg49840322#msg49840322

Their White Paper cites content from NeuroSeed who did depict non-cartoon staff back in the day: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2302204.0
396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NeuralTrade Network- crypto exchanges signals predicting platform on: February 20, 2019, 07:13:55 PM
Hello, I am representative of icoholder.com company.

You have been selected and added to icoholder.com. Find your project on our website and go through verification to add more information.

https://icoholder.com/en/neuraltrade-network-28878

Hello, I am Bruno, representing the Crypto Police.

NeuralTrade Network is considered a scam site --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4986549.msg49839638#msg49839638. Thus by extension, you, too, are a scammer for giving them cred.

397  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: IOHK Summit ~ Miami Beach Convention Center (Florida) ~ April 17-18, 2019 on: February 18, 2019, 10:31:35 PM
Bump. Anybody attending?
398  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Whats up with Craig Wright? on: February 17, 2019, 07:35:04 PM
every time there has been big "bitcoin consensus" meetings/conventions. seems some 'hey look what CW is upto' drama begins.

seriously folks. he aint worth anyones time.
if you care about bitcoin. still to looking at what the bitcoin devs are upto not the altcoin social drama.
let the CW drama belong in a court room


So what you're sayin' is automatically 'facepalm' and yawn at Craig Wright, eh?  Tongue
399  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Initiative Q be the New Bitcoin? on: February 17, 2019, 07:32:40 PM
Here's an interesting tidbit. Initiative Q has had over 3 million people sign up for their new-and-improved Bitcoin thingy, yet this thread has ONLY [now] 23 posts. Further, click on the link below ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Initiative+Q%22+bitcointalk+site:bitcointalk.org&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS727US727&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmjsGmwMPgAhWLrVQKHb6DAxsQrQIoBDABegQICRAJ&biw=1164&bih=526

... and you see myriad threads on this forum about Initiative Q, ALL of them deleted excepting this one. How odd is that?
400  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: The Rock Trading Exchange www.therocktrading.com Scam Invitation Code Review on: February 17, 2019, 06:38:34 PM
Taking in account that the complaint to the european system/Arbitro Bancario Finanziario was made with full disclose of identity, if they win the case, the Arbitrator will send all details to them.

Therefore, they would never have a legitimate reason to keep my money blocked until the decision.

If they keep blocking my money this will confirm to everyone, including the Arbitrator, that they are just trying to gain time, hoping this will somehow go away and they will be able to keep the money blocked "forever".


They cannot hold on to your money, they will release your funds after the Arbitration is over.

They have been shamed and humiliated. They tried to selective scam you and have been exposed. Now all that remains is how long they will keep up the stubborn attitude before they release the funds.

The Rock Trading have been stung by negative publicity and they will not recover from this. Shame on them for causing you so much hassle.

Aside @JollyGood:


"You're gonna need a bigger sig space to list ALL the scams in this space."
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