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381  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: October 19, 2020, 12:35:45 PM
For me, there are mainly two conditions for the Lightning Network to really take off:

1) Providers of massively used services must support it.

Yes, the exchanges. Onboarding exchanges must be one of the first priorities.

It appears that Bitfinex already allow their clients to make LN deposits to their accounts. Quite a big development really, it perhaps got mixed up with the news that Bitfinex were running a public LN node? I'm not sure when client account deposits went live tbh
382  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Coinbase to Support Bitcoin Core Developers on: October 16, 2020, 09:15:45 AM
one way or another, you can be sure that Coinbase are preparing to influence Bitcoin's development (again).

Mark Andreesen and Brian Armstrong were entirely happy to propose a completely new development team (of their choosing) when they thought they could get away with it in 2017. Recent friendly stories in the newsmedia (about how a-political Coinbase LLC are) hilariously forgot to mention Coinbase's (failed) attempt to politicize Bitcoin itself. This kind of PR-style "advert-orial" just makes Coinbase look even more suspicious.

Andreesen and Armstrong are still a part of Coinbase, and so too are likely other nefarious backers and management. There's no reason to trust Coinbase in their intentions after their manipulative and self-serving record
383  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: October 16, 2020, 09:06:26 AM
But reality is, without incentives, Bitcoiner's can't be expected to take/accept the opportunity cost to lock their capital, Bitcoins, in Lightning channels.

there is an incentive. It's more long-term, but the reward is bigger.

The people that provide liquidity to those who need it most will be rewarded. Those who do not will need to hope they get lucky, and that a dissimilarly self-less person provides to them some incoming liquidity.
384  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Taproot proposal on: October 16, 2020, 09:00:13 AM
This might be another big trial for the network and its participants after the scaling debate in my opinion. Let's wait, and see if some entities from the mining-cartel play nice.

no-one's voiced any objections up to now. You keep saying it's going to be a problem though, like maybe 5 times already?


why would anyone care about a new scripting type that prevents choices in those scripts from being written to the blockchain?

  • everything that _actually_ happens is written to the blockchain, for all to see
  • everything that _does not_ happen is unrecorded

I'd be fascinated to hear the arguments that could possibly be mounted against excising unused script paths from transactions, all it does is make multi-path scripts more economical. Secondary effects of this don't change the fact that the chosen script path is still publicly available.




ot: You're very negative/pessimistic these days WindFURY, are you feeling ok?
385  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2020-10-08] Bitcoin Can't be Correlated to Traditional Assets on: October 15, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
After several thousand years gold is still largely speculation, or perhaps that has grown as its usage as any sort of money has waned with more useful things coming along.

But deflation/hoarding will be just as big a factor in stopping it progressing into a currency, perhaps the prime one in time.

Coins were (and still are) made of gold for thousands of years. Gold is the most successful monetary substance of all time, there are countless songs, stories & art from several millennia as testament (not to mention all the actual gold itself, lol). Coins are money.

It's true that people saved it. That's about the only tiniest scrap of truth I can glean from your post.
386  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: October 15, 2020, 11:31:34 AM
Who should the people responsible be for Lightning's business development?

No one, after all Bitcoin community (and some open source) is powered by volunteer.

or "everyone" Smiley

those who refuse to provide incoming liquidity to others are not helping the network (including those who charge a fee to do so, but that's my opinion and their prerogative)

we can all help the situation by identifying nodes with low or no incoming liquidity, and providing it to them by opening a channel. I realize that there's potentially more fees to be earned opening channels to nodes with higher routing throughput, but ultimately, a better connected network is stronger (and more profitable in all aspects) than a centralized network. There will doubtless be a limit to how may channels it's useful for a single routing node to have, although I am unsure what that limit is (it's likely related to the amount of traffic on the network considered over a long timeframe, as well as how much BTC a node has to put into the network).
387  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Taproot proposal on: October 15, 2020, 08:58:47 AM
we also have a new BIP 340-342 pull request to github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin (which makes small adjustments to the older pr): https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19953

it's now merged Cool

the schnorr/taproot code will be in 0.21.0, so it's almost certain that activation parameters will be released as a part of 0.21.1 Smiley
388  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2020-09-03] Bitcoin is now the 6th largest world currency on: October 13, 2020, 04:38:26 PM
to add to the criticism: don't be surprised if it reaches #1 in 2021, by this metric.

Everyone forgets that this is the only meaningful "like-for-like" metric to use: the M1 money supply (Bitcoin can only ever have the M0 and M1 components according to the "monetarist" classification brackets for money supply types, because it doesn't use credit-based expansion). If we included all the different extended money supply bracket (there are 6 brackets, designated M0-M5), Bitcoin would once again be the minnow (but monetarist purists can argue that it's not a like-for-like comparison, amongst other arguments)

still, I don't see why Bitcoin eclipsing it's competition in this way shouldn't be celebrated, but also perhaps I agree with bbc_reporter that celebrating the same milestone twice is not quite so exciting.

(maybe Bitcoin could also become more valuable than M2 or M3 component of smaller fiat currencies, I have no idea about the size of those figures, perhaps it already happened Huh)
389  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: EXT4 file system for usb node. on: October 13, 2020, 08:46:46 AM
happy to help Smiley LVM is very useful, and surprisingly old tech for Linux (early versions are from the early 2000's era)
390  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2020-10.01] Research Reveals Crypto Owners to Be the Riskiest Esports Bettors on: October 09, 2020, 02:54:57 PM
How you can favour retaining the currency that's only going to reduce your spending power and piss away the one that may ensure your future is beyond me.

it's easy, simply think about someone other than yourself Roll Eyes


1. Convert all your fiat to BTC as and when you receive any
2. Spend BTC


Or are you not so confident in BTC, economically or philosophically? Perhaps you don't like to spread knowledge of a concept that's making you (feel) better off than your peers?

Or are you more confident in fiat? 50:50 maybe?


sounds like gambling to me. Myself? all in, on BTC. Because it's the right thing to do, not because it indulges my self-image or flatters my wounded ego
391  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New Lightning vulnerability►LND node operators are urged to upgrade immediately! on: October 09, 2020, 10:38:23 AM
LND is not the lightning network

there's more than 3 implementation of the Lightning protocol, this is only 1 of them


Also, LND is the most fast moving lightning software, adding newest features fastest and with more people contributing code. It's not a big surprise LND has critical bugs, they've had several already
392  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Cost per transaction on Bitcoin? on: October 08, 2020, 01:51:50 PM
So you can calculate the cost/tx in that timeframe.

I know.


Is this number usefull? I have no idear... But it IS something you can calculate...

in my posts above, I am outlining why I consider it to be not useful. You are replying to the posts in which I make the case that the number is not useful. Hope that helps.
393  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Cost per transaction on Bitcoin? on: October 08, 2020, 01:22:25 PM
So, eventough there's no 1<=>1 relationship between the transactions and the power usage, it's still feasible to assume the main reasons why the blockchain exists is to store transactions in an immutable way, and the mining process uses power, so you could estimate the amount of power used to make 1 transaction immutable, even without a direct correlation

Bitcoin's design means either you're protecting every previous block (and the transactions appended to them) from subversion, or none of them

The miner can:
  • mine a new block on the longest chain with the most work -> every tx in every block becomes equally immutable corresponding to how many blocks/work they are buried under
  • or mine their own chain -> none of the Bitcoin tx's become any more or any less immutable

There is no option to choose which transactions are conferred with hashpower protection, or by how much hashing power they are protected by. So what's the point of measuring such a thing?
394  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2020-10-08] Admiral says Bitcoin and crypto threaten democracy in South America on: October 08, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
This is ironic considering US often portrayed as country that guarantee freedom Roll Eyes

a recent re-appraisal of this claim (in an article I read) suggested this may have been true, up until the year 1778 Cheesy
395  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2020-08-27] DCG is betting $100 million on mining Bitcoin in North America on: October 08, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
Here we go again, every day we clap how good decentralization is, how resilient Bitcoin is, and how the evil gubbermint can't stop it, and then, the same government should subsidize mining or we're in trouble. How the hell is this any different from the government bailing out banks? If the network can't stand for itself it means we have a serious problem, and patching it with cash will only solve the problem temporarily, and when there is no more cash left to do it, then what?

print some more cash, and lend gift it to mining startups at negative rates? certainly possible in Europe, and apparently becoming more politically feasible in the US. Go-go-GDP! Cheesy



Overall, I think the gradual embrace of Bitcoin mining by electricity producers is in one way an unfortunate inevitability (as several people have argued already), but in another an important step on the road to Bitcoin's integration into the most fundamental layer of the world economy.

  • the current world reserve currency is contract-linked to energy (this contract is, however, increasingly unobserved by big energy exporters)
  • Bitcoin is the energy based currency

Being directly energy based was the innovation that set Bitcoin apart from the other attempts to create a permission-less & trustless currency. If energy producers begin to use Bitcoin mining as part of their business model, then one of the absolute root sources of economic production is a BTC stakeholder. To some extent, the energy industry becomes a rival to the central banking institutions. Where previously the banking & energy sectors were in a symbiotic relationship, this change now represents what I think is described as "vertical integration" of the manufacture of energy production with that of transaction tokens, where no possible such integration existed before.

Because energy producers are right at the base layer of the economic system (alongside food production), one of the basic premises for Bitcoin to become systemically influential is moving into place.

I would add to this that huge innovations in the diversification and distribution of energy resources are likely to take place in the medium term. Some will remain in permanent pipe-dream territory, but some will certainly become commercially and economically feasible. Even the past 10-15 years has seen significant changes in where energy come from and who owns the infrastructure to produce it. So, who is mining Bitcoin using their production facilities is set to change in a similar way.
396  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Cost per transaction on Bitcoin? on: October 08, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
so there is no reason to ask the question in the OP, the answer tells you nothing of any meaning whatsoever, and so you entirely wasted your (and their) time

True, but that doesn't mean you can't do a very raw estimation about how much power is burnt per transaction when using a short window at current diff if you assume full blocks...

We can calculate worldwide banana shipments for the same period of time, and  but it would be similarly fruitless (in b4 "banana is not a fruit", I did say "fruitless" Tongue)


There is precisely _zero_ power "burnt per transaction", it's a very easy calculation that does not require estimation. There _is_ an amount of power consumed per block solution computed, and the transactions included in the body of the block are completely irrelevant to this, they are not hashed as part of the solution, and (to demonstrate this further) need not be included at all (and frequently are not)


I mean, the OP already gave the assumption of full blocks, and eventough the diff retargets every 2016 blocks, it's possible to do estimate the hashrate when knowing the diff at a certain point in time. It's also possible to calculate the average transaction size in the last couple of weeks/months and see how many would fit in a block (on average).

However, the mix of ASIC types/vendors and the average power price are a big unknown... I assumed 4 cents/kwh was cheap, but apparently it was still to high... I live in a country where i pay ~30 cents/kwh Sad

I, for one, would be interested to know how much the electricity cost per transaction given full blocks and current diff would be... It's interesting to the point that the current block reward covers most of these costs right now, but in a couple halvings these costs have to be covered by an increase of the fees, or by more efficient hardware, or by a lowering of the total network hashrate or a change in POW algo or a combination thereof...

or by an increase in the BTC exchange rate. Or by a reduction in the hashrate. There are, as you allude to, several parameters to mining economics (not least that lightning will be much more reliable/mature by then, and miners can expect significantly higher quantity of blockweight to fill, as open/close commitment transactions can more effectively fill the maximum 4 Mweight units in a block, hence more fee income will be available to miners in this way also)

So the calculation you're suggesting doesn't provide a useful model for predicting transaction fees, not least because there is no relationship between transaction fees and the hashrate. You are only serving to further underline the fact
397  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: EXT4 file system for usb node. on: October 08, 2020, 12:20:56 PM
I'm going to repartition the Mint drive, and use that for my Bitcoin wallet. Is it best to set up a single partition, or should I split out the wallet info, and put it in a second partition. This could make things slightly easier if I am using multiple nodes on more than one machine. However, it may be better to have a single online node, and use hardware wallets for long term storage.

My suggestion would be to use Logical Volume Manager (LVM):

  • setup LVM: one PV and one VG per physical disk
  • setup several LV's inside your VG
  • write your partitions to the LV's
  • setup the file system you want for each LV partition

this method is very flexible, you can change the size of the partitions (impossible with the typical way of creating partitions) and add new partitions very easily. This will make it easy to experiment, to see what the best setup is for your hardware and how you want to use it, before you commit to the size of the partitions.

I'm not sure if the typical "Disks" gui application lets you use LVM, but I would steer you away from using that anyway. The CLI for lvm is pretty straightforward, and there's a good chance your base system is already using LVM by default
398  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2020-10-08] Admiral says Bitcoin and crypto threaten democracy in South America on: October 08, 2020, 11:49:29 AM
I may be wrong, but this is the first time that such a high-ranking military officer has spoken in this way about the threat posed by cryptocurrencies

a military truism may be apt in this case:

"if you're taking flak, it means you're over the target"


Smiley
399  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: EXT4 file system for usb node. on: October 08, 2020, 09:48:04 AM
I believe that the default file system is btrfs, and I am still considering that as an alternative to EXT4. There doesn't deem to be much in it, but I got the impression that EXT4 is slightly more stable, and may be less demanding on the cpu.

both XFS and btrfs are newer than ext4, and sometimes still considered beta software. As is bitcoin Smiley FWIW, I use btrfs and XFS (but not for the same length of time), and didn't encounter any issues other than the processing issues I described (the performance penalty of using either btrfs/XFS it quite noticeable if you copy some huge file, or the swap file is using btrfs/XFS and in heavy use). In general, I'm using btrfs/XFS for data disks, not for system disks (because of the performance penalty). Perhaps a good compromise would be to use btrfs/XFS for the root partition, then set up a separate partition for swap that uses ext3 or ext4, as the error correction is less essential for volatile data (and performance penalty would be reduced), but I have thus far not tried such a setup

This was why I considered it. However, using the default system might be a better option in the long run. I'm assuming that I won't have any problems copying files onto another hard disk if I decide to use an alternative file system

it's possible that btrfs is either badly supported or not supported at all on alternative operating systems, I would check that if you intend to use anything else (obviously, most other people are using Microsoft or macOS). I'm pretty sure (not 100% though) that ext2-4 are well supported elsewhere.
400  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Cost per transaction on Bitcoin? on: October 08, 2020, 09:33:44 AM
Do realise that a lot of assumptions were made in my last 2 posts...

you forgot the most basic observation of all:

there is no relationship between the number of transactions in a block and the Bitcoin network hashrate


so there is no reason to ask the question in the OP, the answer tells you nothing of any meaning whatsoever, and so you entirely wasted your (and their) time

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