Well then @rdewilde, why not share with the rest of us what you "know?"  That lawsuit is doing fine and false speculation won't help. Obviously some people here have some strange interests in indiscriminately bash the lawsuit and/or Allen. I'd be cautious with these people instead of calling others "shills" What exactly is indiscriminate about calling out Shinners for going into business with the guy who fucked him over and questioning why he used a fake picture to do that? The placeholder excuse doesn't really fly when the image is still up right this second. |
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So is the assumption here that they've run out of money from the original ICO funding? It seems staggering to me that they'd try and raise further funds in this manner -- surely any sane potential new investor would be instantly turned off by the rather Garza-esque way they're presenting this.
I just don't understand how they expect to be successful with people outside those already heavily invested by running this project in this way. Utterly bizarre.
I don't know if they've necessarily run out. Doesn't hurt to ask for more money. They know the marks are dumb enough to give it to them like they gave it to garza and like they gave it to them originally. The solution to everything is more coins, super high stake rates never hurt anyone in the past, especially this particular group of geniuses. Just give everyone a zillion coins and watch the fun. |
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it says probably legit ... i saw it on badbitcoin's safe list that is why i asked it here ...
Read this from badbitcoin's site and think again about trusting them http://www.badbitcoin.org/gaw.htmThe question to ask yourself if what will get you more, giving genesis mining $30 dollars, or going to an exchange and buying $30 worth of bitcoins? Whichever of those choices will give you more bitcoins will leave you in a better position no matter what the price of bitcoins is. |
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Allen Shinners, the GAWSuit genius seemed to be "throwing" the case all along. At the same time he started the GAWSuit, he posted a FAKE picture of himself on his own "Prestige" website with 2 GAWMiners Criminals. First he filed the GAWsuit in Texas, where lawsuit winners can't even collect damages most of the time, then he moved it to Connecticut. We all thought he was "taking a dive" for Garza -- maybe that's just what he did. I would NOT be surprised if Stu paid off the 4 litigants & all the other customers get to twist in the wind....forever. Maybe that's why Shinners didn't collect the 10% upfront from the SUCKERS. Now he owes them nothing.... NOT ALLEN SHINNERS (Below) ADAM MATLACK JOE MORDICA  Without informational facts to backup the alligations I'd like to see a little more respectfull tone. You're making assumptions based on other unrelated info. The pic was probably just a tempory... i buy photoframes all the time with these in it. In your logic he put up a fake picture to mislead people thinking he was the guy on the picture? Who cares.... If it was temporary why does the webpage still exist, with the fake photo (smiling-man.jpg) and still show a connection with someone who could have saved all the geniuses money by telling everyone that the hashlets didn't exist? No clue why any of you geniuses trust this guy. http://prestigeauditing.com/about-the-owner/ |
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Has Garza been responding at all?
Does this allow them to go through against Fraser without having to wait for Garza?
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why on earth would they run off with the money and face possible legal issues? a way better plan is to either run it into the ground with a non-viable business plan or produce something of value and possibly succeed (not looking good with all these fake companies, not fulfilling obligations, tos issues etc.)
but we all know where you stand. youve said before that you only classify 'coins' with no blockchain as scams. ion has fulfilled that req and will never be a scam in your eyes. worst case scenario and you would classify it as a bad investment
... more reasonable people would disagree
In April that was one of the arguments against ION, they have a load of money from the ICO now watch them disappear.
but we all know where you stand. youve said before that you only classify 'coins' with no blockchain as scams. ion has fulfilled that req and will never be a scam in your eyes. worst case scenario and you would classify it as a bad investmentErr when did I say that ?? ION is an element of Ionomy. ION was created to support the ionomy platform. That's not a play out of the playbook. They learned from the best. You can shear a sheep many times, but you can only eat it once. Why disappear when you geniuses are still buying imaginary atoms and electrons to get more coins that will have no value if/when they decide to dump the tons they gave themselves? Remember, it may be a scam, it probably is a shitty investment if it isn't a complete scam considering how much trouble the "team" has doing simple things like proofreading their website or registering their company, or making their exchange list accurate information, or meeting deadlines... |
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AHHHHHHHHHHH, by old bud, Ahmed. You guys remember Ahmed, don't you. He's the dude who published the same exact CV as that other serial liar Marshall Long who was mining bitcoins with Leroy Fodor in 2009.
@ Vlad: At this penning I'm not tryin' to connect you to coinexchange.io, but surely you had to be versed as to who was behind DGC who now operates coinexhange.io, no?
It was by happenstance I found that BitcoinTalk is hosted by coinexchange.io's partner in Romandia (hosting site, not the dude - he's in California, NV, Canada, etc. depending on how the fishing is I guess).
Since cryptsy robbed me of all my coins (left me with about 8 btc out of hundreds) I do little research on any coins. I had no idea DGC had any drama after Baritus left and I assumed their investors were legit. This is all news to me. And my comment where I said "this is an important piece of the puzzle" I wasn't endorsing coinexchange.io, I was referring to their online wallet cause IXC badly needed one and I thought I could get them to fund it. Other than that I was simply letting the community know about the exchange at a time when IXC couldn't get listed anywhere. Gleb, I think you and Spoetnik are legit and are doing a thankless job - and I respect you guys for that. Let me tell you that I ain't done jack shit scammy stuff in crypto - my rep and IXC were too valuable to sell out for any money. Garza offered me $32k to make a single and legal statement about the paycoin bamebrand (after I took over that project) and I refused simply on principle cause I felt it was a community brand and not any lead dev's right, and let me tell you, it was just days after I lost everything, I didn't even have a car, any money or a place to live. Few people in crypto would show that kind of convictions so it really pisses me off when I see shitheads like Hippie Tech vomitting lies. And that "leaked Garza" email came from another source that hacked me but I let it go. You guys dig all you want - I've always taken the hit for the small guy and passed up big money to keep a good rep. And no, garza was not an obvious scammer from day one. I thought he was just irresponsible and a power tripper. He had legit backers and was involved with legit exchanges and sponsoring big legit events. You and Spoetnik don't bother me at all cause I know you're looking for the truth, the other guys can suck my big dick 43 times. Gotta top your 42. Haha. Rock on, brothers!!! Garza WAS an obvious scammer from day 1 because he was claiming to mine altcoins and unable to prove it using blockchains. Just like Cryptsy was obviously insolvent because they couldn't allow people to withdraw their coins. It's ok that you got ripped off, but refusing to admit your mistakes will not help you learn to avoid that situation in the future. |
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They'll argue over minutiae & set a trial date. Addendum: I just read this snippet in an otherwise TLDR post by @Vlad2Vlad in the Cryptsy Scam thread, which I though should be cited here. He wrote: And no, garza was not an obvious scammer from day one. I thought he was just irresponsible and a power tripper. He had legit backers and was involved with legit exchanges and sponsoring big legit events. I forgot about all the Bitcoin & Mining Conventions he/GAWMiners sponsored. The exchanges were complicit, that is true -- they failed to do due diligence at minimum. He clearly flaunted Cantor Fitz via "Uncle Stu" Fraser. That all really added up in the minds of victimized customers. Good stuff for the litigants. He WAS an obvious scammer because he claimed to be mining altcoins and refused to show proof on the blockchain. Any shithead like vlad and the ion idiots that refuses to admit that now is doomed to lose their money over and over again because they are too stupid to have it. |
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Ionomy makes coins from staking your invested coin and from coins made from masternodes to cover the staker if it is boosting with Electrons... The rate you receive is variable depending on the current ION block reward rate... Using a Ionomy staker requires no additional resources from the investor and locks the rate of daily earning for 90 days...
I knew we could get to the bottom of is sharkie. thank you for admitting that the team stakes those coins in a masternode, pays out less than is actually staked, and keeps the rest as free coins that they did absolutely nothing to earn. Now that we have established that the team gets free coins via stakers, I will leave it to someone else to try and figure out why you don't have a problem with that. Have a nice day. Disclaimer: The real process describe in above paragraph does not support the Suchmoon to the free moon theory... Don't know or care what that theory is. Do know that the team gets free coins via the staker program. Do know that the team got fucked by garza because they let him get free coins via various methods. Do think they will use those free coins to fuck over investors since there is literally nothing else for them to do with the coins. |
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Ionomy makes coins from staking your invested coin and from coins made from masternodes to cover the staker if it is boosting with Electrons... The rate you receive is variable depending on the current ION block reward rate... Using a Ionomy staker requires no additional resources from the investor and locks the rate of daily earning for 90 days...
I knew we could get to the bottom of is sharkie. thank you for admitting that the team stakes those coins in a masternode, pays out less than is actually staked, and keeps the rest as free coins that they did absolutely nothing to earn. Now that we have established that the team gets free coins via stakers, I will leave it to someone else to try and figure out why you don't have a problem with that. Have a nice day. |
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No shark, those are coins in my wallet that I stake.
What happens when I go in the ionomy, and click on the button that says "pay 500 ion" to "buy a staker" with 15% APR?
What happens to those 500 ions?
You receive a daily payment of 0.0410958904109589% base on the amount of coins staked for 90 days. Where do those come from? Daily payout occur at 1:30pm EST and are sent to your Ionomy wallet... That's not what I asked. Where were those coins before they were sent to my ionomy wallet? How were they created? Since day one, I have received my payouts regularly with no problems. These payments are earned via the staking contract I accepted with Ionomy. Why can't you answer this question? Note, that if the people you are trusting had asked these questions and learned that the payouts they received from hashlets came from other investors instead of mining like was claimed, they would not be in the situation they were/are in. How do the stakers that you buy on the ionomy work? There is nothing in the code/blockchain besides staking on your own or staking in masternodes. these are somehwhere in the middle, so there has to be a process. I want you to walk me through the process of those stakers to prove to me that the team doesn't get free coins, or to prove to you that they are. So let's try again. I don't care that you have received these payments since day 1. I want to know where they come from, how it works. That's how you see if things are on the up and up. Where does Ionomy get the coins that they give you via your staking contract? |
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No shark, those are coins in my wallet that I stake.
What happens when I go in the ionomy, and click on the button that says "pay 500 ion" to "buy a staker" with 15% APR?
What happens to those 500 ions?
You receive a daily payment of 0.0410958904109589% base on the amount of coins staked for 90 days. Where do those come from? Daily payout occur at 1:30pm EST and are sent to your Ionomy wallet... That's not what I asked. Where were those coins before they were sent to my ionomy wallet? How were they created? |
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No shark, those are coins in my wallet that I stake.
What happens when I go in the ionomy, and click on the button that says "pay 500 ion" to "buy a staker" with 15% APR?
What happens to those 500 ions?
You receive a daily payment of 0.0410958904109589% base on the amount of coins staked for 90 days. Where do those come from? |
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No shark, those are coins in my wallet that I stake.
What happens when I go in the ionomy, and click on the button that says "pay 500 ion" to "buy a staker" with 15% APR?
What happens to those 500 ions?
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Nothing new that I have been promoting IONs and Masternodes from day one while you keep saying that IONs are free.. Show your proof that IONs are free??? Maybe you should add it to your ION Q&A on how to get free IONs?
I'm not saying that all IONs are free... there are certainly some deluded paycoiners who paid for them. But ~75% of the ICO were free coins for the team and since the ICO another 30% was generated via staking and presumably dumped onto said deluded paycoiners, if your behavior is anything to go by. Class act sharkie, as usual. Keep "promoting" and dumping, that's what Garza taught you so well. What you are not saying is, ION coins are earned from staking (mined) via Masternodes, Community Nodes, Ionomy stakers, ION Lottery/Gifts, Bounties or Wallet staked. IONs can also be purchased from the exchanges or private sales. There is no free coins after ICO... and you have no proof where the earned coins are going!!! Let's call your theory Suchmoon to the free moon tactics... Shark, you don't get free coins because you are not the actual shark in this situation. Team ION got a bunch of free coins because they created them out of thin air. They also get free coins when you use your electrons in your stakers with awesome staking rates. They take your coins, put them in masternodes, stake a bunch, and pay you back less than they get from the masternode. Those are the free coins we are worried about, the ones that they will dump on your head.
What you are not saying is, ION coins are earned from staking (mined) via Masternodes, Community Nodes, Ionomy stakers, ION Lottery/Gifts, Bounties or Wallet staked. IONs can also be purchased from the exchanges or private sales. There is no free coins after ICO...
and you have no proof where the earned coins are going!!! Let's call your theory Suchmoon to the free moon tactics...
There are no free coins available to the Ion investors unless you believe in the Suchmoon to the free moon theory. The ION investors have to earn the coins thru mining or buy the coins on the exchange... What do the Ion investors do with the coins I "put in a staker?" |
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Nothing new that I have been promoting IONs and Masternodes from day one while you keep saying that IONs are free.. Show your proof that IONs are free??? Maybe you should add it to your ION Q&A on how to get free IONs?
I'm not saying that all IONs are free... there are certainly some deluded paycoiners who paid for them. But ~75% of the ICO were free coins for the team and since the ICO another 30% was generated via staking and presumably dumped onto said deluded paycoiners, if your behavior is anything to go by. Class act sharkie, as usual. Keep "promoting" and dumping, that's what Garza taught you so well. What you are not saying is, ION coins are earned from staking (mined) via Masternodes, Community Nodes, Ionomy stakers, ION Lottery/Gifts, Bounties or Wallet staked. IONs can also be purchased from the exchanges or private sales. There is no free coins after ICO... and you have no proof where the earned coins are going!!! Let's call your theory Suchmoon to the free moon tactics... Shark, you don't get free coins because you are not the actual shark in this situation. Team ION got a bunch of free coins because they created them out of thin air. They also get free coins when you use your electrons in your stakers with awesome staking rates. They take your coins, put them in masternodes, stake a bunch, and pay you back less than they get from the masternode. Those are the free coins we are worried about, the ones that they will dump on your head. |
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For me the writing on the wall was when Garza got back from his no show at the BTC conference and then went on and fired his team of devs.
YES I got robbed by Garza but nothing that I couldn't recover from. so YES that makes me a moron of epic proportions
On behalf of all the people Garza screwed over FUCK YOU.
What if Team Ionomy saying there will be "one game per month" is the same thing as Garza saying "Amazon and Walmart will accept XPY" and "There will be a 20 dollar floor"? Because you know, all these things did not happen. Gravity was supposed to be finished in June, so by now there should be five Ionomy games. What if the promise of "one game per month" was just bullshit to make people give Huey bitcoins and dollars for IONs? You ever thought of that? I know, I know, you are alpha testing Gravity as we speak. Is it any good? What about the other monthly games? Good? No, Its awsome. Before you say oh he is just a fanboy so write it off as shilling. Let me say that my mind was made up that if this game was not something that would put ionomy on the map I had every intension of slowly liquidating all my atoms and ion and exiting. Yea the game is late but rest assured its coming and its not a half ass game that was thrown together. I agree there is good questions on here. Any answer posted here would just be discredited and tossed anyway. This thread was started because a few members at slack wanted it, not because they wanted money from anybody here. If they did dont you think they would atleast answer some questions and keep people on the hook? Call it a scam call it whatever you want but a scam would never put a game like this together for the small amount of btc they did raise thats for sure. Of course this is mostly a matter of my opinion as we are all entitled to one. This is a slightly reasonable plan. Why aren't you worried that the free coins that ion has and constantly gets via stakers can ruin your "exit slowly" plan the way that Garza's ton of free coins ruined everyone's plan to do that with paycoin? Trust me when i say I am worried about it. I expect an answer to these questions. When the game an update happens with ionomy the plan will be released so to speak. Some will be answered when you see and play the game ( lets be honest, everybody here is downloading gravity if nothing else just to shit on it) I do not always agree with the comunication and way the team handles things. Should I just immediatly dump everything and write it off? It is a small team of people so yea lots of bugs in the way they do things can get ironed out as time goes on. I'm not sure if you should just bail right now, I would strongly consider it if that will leave you close to whole. I just want to caution about the "slowly exit" plan because there is not a lot of support on the markets for that plan, and because the amount of coins they control and still get new reminds me of the coins that garza had to dump on them and screw them over originally. I'm not sure why you think they aren't crooks and that their plan is good, but good luck with that. I see too many of the things that allowed garza to fuck them set up to fuck you and others in the future to even think about getting in, but it's your money so i hope you are right, even though I doubt it. |
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For me the writing on the wall was when Garza got back from his no show at the BTC conference and then went on and fired his team of devs.
YES I got robbed by Garza but nothing that I couldn't recover from. so YES that makes me a moron of epic proportions
On behalf of all the people Garza screwed over FUCK YOU.
What if Team Ionomy saying there will be "one game per month" is the same thing as Garza saying "Amazon and Walmart will accept XPY" and "There will be a 20 dollar floor"? Because you know, all these things did not happen. Gravity was supposed to be finished in June, so by now there should be five Ionomy games. What if the promise of "one game per month" was just bullshit to make people give Huey bitcoins and dollars for IONs? You ever thought of that? I know, I know, you are alpha testing Gravity as we speak. Is it any good? What about the other monthly games? Good? No, Its awsome. Before you say oh he is just a fanboy so write it off as shilling. Let me say that my mind was made up that if this game was not something that would put ionomy on the map I had every intension of slowly liquidating all my atoms and ion and exiting. Yea the game is late but rest assured its coming and its not a half ass game that was thrown together. I agree there is good questions on here. Any answer posted here would just be discredited and tossed anyway. This thread was started because a few members at slack wanted it, not because they wanted money from anybody here. If they did dont you think they would atleast answer some questions and keep people on the hook? Call it a scam call it whatever you want but a scam would never put a game like this together for the small amount of btc they did raise thats for sure. Of course this is mostly a matter of my opinion as we are all entitled to one. This is a slightly reasonable plan. Why aren't you worried that the free coins that ion has and constantly gets via stakers can ruin your "exit slowly" plan the way that Garza's ton of free coins ruined everyone's plan to do that with paycoin? |
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Crickets...
It seem those two questions stumped our ultra ION shills.
Not really, I just can't be arsed to either do some digging around or to respond to people whose motives are driven by ill intent.
PlusWhat little time I have has been spent playing/alpha testing Gravity, you know that piece of vapourware  Here are some questions for you to ponder What is Ionomy ? a) Charity b) Business What do Charities/Business's need to survive a) Money b) Money What keeps your PC switched on a) Money b) Money Come on be honest now.... why have you been here for so long trying to expose the scam that it isn't. Paycoin went from zero to scam in 3 months. Ionomy is now 7 months old soon to release their first game......... why hate ? You not realizing/being able to admit that GAW was a scam from the beginning really makes you an unreliable source on the trustworthiness of anyone/anything. You do realise that you've pretty much covered everyone that regularly posts on this thread, Suchmoon being one example. I guess your lack of reading comprehension explains how you got robbed and how you will get robbed again. Suchmoon, and many others saw paycoin as a scam from the second it was announced. Many people who fell for various parts of Garza's scam now readily admit that it was a scam from day 1. If you think paycoin became a scam 3 months into that part of the venture you are a moron of epic proportions. For me the writing on the wall was when Garza got back from his no show at the BTC conference and then went on and fired his team of devs. YES I got robbed by Garza but nothing that I couldn't recover from. so YES that makes me a moron of epic proportions On behalf of all the people Garza screwed over FUCK YOU. What about the unfortunate one's that lost everything, what about the people that ploughed everything in thinking it would pay for stuff like their medical bills. What about people that bought 9/11 hashlets thinking they were doing a good thing are they morons too. I would rather by a moron of epic proportions than a narcissistic asshole of epic proportions like you I feel for the people that lost money, especially the people that learned from their mistakes. people like you who didn't learn anything and are trying to sucker others into another shady operation deserve the mocking that I will give them. the problem isn't that Garza stole your money. it's that you refuse to admit you had any role in it and to see the similarities to ion. you think you lost money because Garza was a bad man, when in reality you lost money because you never checked to see if hashlets were real and you participated in a system where Garza was able to give himself a ton of free coins to fucking you with. now you are invested in a company that has no proof that it's real, has tons of free coins to fucking you over with, and is being pumped up by the same idiots/assholes that pumped up GAW. |
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hey guys
does anyone have any ION they dont want anymore. looking for about 12000
drop me a message
thanks
Should take the community masternode about 6 weeks to create enough coins to dump to you so you can be the new bagholder. |
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