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381  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 30, 2016, 10:37:09 PM


Happy now?


The hat is too low... Makes her look like she was hit with the zika virus...

Good effort though.


382  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Europe, you reap what you sow... on: May 30, 2016, 08:29:29 PM



Sweden stirs debate with women-only swimming, in nod to Muslims





On the face of it, the decision to offer special women's swimming hours at the Hyllie sports center, a municipal swimming pool in the southern Swedish city of Malmö, should not be contentious.

Indeed, Malmö is not alone. According to a survey by the Swedish TV channel TV4, 13 of Sweden's 100 largest municipalities have begun offering separate swimming hours for men and women. “Our facilities are used by 40 percent women and 60 percent men,” Johan Hermansson, the head of Malmö's recreations department, told TV4. “Our ambition is for them to be used equally by girls and boys, men and women.”

But the trend is not just about achieving 50-50 visitor figures. For decades, Swedish city swimming pools have operated mixed-gender pools, but by adding women-only hours, officials are hoping to accommodate the country's growing Muslim population.

And that is raising a much larger issue for Sweden. Should the native population adjust to immigrant groups' different lifestyles by accommodating women-only swimming and the like, thus providing access to Muslim newcomers who would otherwise not feel comfortable in gender-equal conditions? Or does the implementation of such segregation, however well intended, ultimately undermine the country's hard-earned traditions of gender equality.

Many Swedes are no longer sure. “During the past several years, we've had several Muslim women come and swim,” says Stockholm resident Carolina Johansson, who has gone to women's-only sessions at a local swimming pool for the past 20 years. “But gender-separated swimming doesn't feel like a positive development.”
To integrate or to segregate?

The separate swimming hours have cause an enormous debate in Sweden, with many calling the move regressive and a ghettoization of women, while others laud it as a sensible inclusion of the country's increasingly diverse population. This month Sweden's democracy minister, Alice Bah Kuhnke, told Swedish TV that gender-segregated swimming hours – as the system is often referred to – are problematic and called mixed-gender swimming “a victory after many years and generations of gender-equality struggle.”

In Malmö, Iva Parizkova Ryggeståhl and her fellow members of the local International Women's Association have spent a great deal of time talking about gender-separated swimming. At first, they weren't sure how to feel about it, but now they've decided they're opposed to it.

“Men who are not comfortable being in the same swimming pool as women should not be there,” Ms. Parizkova Ryggeståhl argues. “And we women shouldn't care whether men are looking at us in the swimming pool or not, and whether they get jealous or not.”

By contrast, supporters of gender-separated swimming hours maintain that without the separation Muslim women would never get a chance to swim. And Feministiskt Initiativ, Sweden's feminist party, maintains that women-only swimming benefit women in general.

“It's not just Muslim women who want women-only swimming hours; it's women from many different backgrounds,” argues Toktam Jahangiry, Feministiskt Initiativ's sexual policy spokeswoman. “For example, many women who have had a mastectomy don't feel comfortable being seen by men in the swimming pool.”

Feministiskt Initiativ also suggests that women-only swimming hours could serve a social purpose beyond health and exercise. “Swimming pools are a meeting place for women where they feel comfortable talking to one another, and women-only swimming hours make it an even better meeting point,” says Ms. Jahangiry. “A woman who is being beaten by her husband won't want other men to see her bruises in the swimming pool. But she will feel comfortable talking to other women about it there.”

Qaali Shire, a Muslim Somali mother of three, who lives in Malmö and was recently granted asylum, suggests something similar. “Women's swimming hours are very good because there are no private swimming pools for women,” she says. “Without separate pools or swimming hours, women would go to the pool with their husbands and kids and just sit because they don't feel comfortable swimming in front of men.”

Gender-separated swimming hours are good for husbands, too, Ms. Shire adds, because they don't have to feel uncomfortable over their wives swimming in front of other men. “Even if you swim in your pajamas, your husband won't like it,” she explains.
Prioritizing equalities

There's also the issue of whether women's swimming hours represents discrimination against men, as men are banned from women's swimming hours but women can swim when they like. The government's national discrimination ombudsman is now investigating whether women's swimming hours discriminate against men.

The Greens, who govern in a coalition with the Social Democrats and consider themselves a feminist party, have been particularly affected by gender debate.

Though they have not expressed an official opinion on women's swimming hours, they had nominated Yasri Khan – a young Muslim man – for their executive committee despite knowing of his faith-based refusal to shake hands with women. The furor over the handshaking incident led him to resign. Knowledge Minister Aida Hazialic, herself a Muslim, declared herself upset over his handshake refusal and pointed out that Sweden “is a country where we treat men and women the same way.”

But at least at the Hyllie sports center in Malmö, segregated policies still have appeal. On a recent afternoon in Malmö, Shire was in high spirits after having visited the women's swimming hour – her sixth time swimming at the pool's women's session. “The ladies' session is always jammed,” she noted.

And, in a further twist to Sweden's integration debate, she pointed out an important feature of the female sessions. “Because everyone's head is uncovered, you don't know who is Muslim and who is not.”



http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2016/0530/Sweden-stirs-debate-with-women-only-swimming-in-nod-to-Muslims


383  Other / Politics & Society / Google VS Memorial Day on: May 30, 2016, 08:21:50 PM






384  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 30, 2016, 08:20:20 PM
I've nothin to add to the Trump debate (debacle) - but can I just thank Wilikon for at least spicing this thread up with pretty pictures of sumptuous young women. No other threads can compete. Keeps me lookin anyhow.

Reminds me of Rupert Murdochs page 3 of The Sun (the UK's favourite reactionary tabloid):-




I'll bet they don't make 'em like this in Venezuela hey Wilikon  Cheesy



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miss_Venezuela_titleholders

The TRUMP hat is imperative for this Thread, obviously. I understand lots of people visiting the thread are from all over the world, age groups, gender. I try to keep it sexy and "classy" (whatever this means to me)...


 Smiley


385  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Real Time Socialist Train Wreck (again) Happening Now in Venezuela on: May 30, 2016, 06:01:22 PM



What is a mono economy?


a mono-economy is a economy relying on one major export or natural resource to bring most of the currency into the country.




A.K.A. a really, really, really bad idea.





Dozens of nations around the world are actually mono economies. Look at the GCC nations (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait.etc). All of them are dependant on the exports of petroleum products. The same with Venezuela, Angola, Nigeria, and Azerbaijan as well. Now look at Central Asia. There are countries such as Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, which are entirely dependant upon the export of blue-collar workers. There is Uzbekistan, which is heavily dependant on the export of cotton. It is not possible to change the system overnight.


A mono economy is fine when you are controlling the demand and market price, when you are the master.


386  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 30, 2016, 05:50:09 PM





387  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Real Time Socialist Train Wreck (again) Happening Now in Venezuela on: May 30, 2016, 01:22:14 PM



What is a mono economy?


a mono-economy is a economy relying on one major export or natural resource to bring most of the currency into the country.




A.K.A. a really, really, really bad idea.



388  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 30, 2016, 01:17:26 PM





389  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: May 30, 2016, 12:49:54 PM



Hillary Clinton EVIL REMIX









390  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 30, 2016, 04:36:42 AM



Nothing scares the progressive left more than the scope and visibility of the American Patriot.




















https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/29/candidate-donald-trump-attends-dc-rolling-thunder-rally-pictures-and-video/#more-116806



 Smiley




391  Other / Politics & Society / Governments Turn to Commercial Spyware to Intimidate Dissidents on: May 30, 2016, 03:40:29 AM



SAN FRANCISCO — In the last five years, Ahmed Mansoor, a human rights activist in the United Arab Emirates, has been jailed and fired from his job, along with having his passport confiscated, his car stolen, his email hacked, his location tracked and his bank account robbed of $140,000. He has also been beaten, twice, in the same week.

Mr. Mansoor’s experience has become a cautionary tale for dissidents, journalists and human rights activists. It used to be that only a handful of countries had access to sophisticated hacking and spying tools. But these days, nearly all kinds of countries, be they small, oil-rich nations like the Emirates, or poor but populous countries like Ethiopia, are buying commercial spyware or hiring and training programmers to develop their own hacking and surveillance tools.

The barriers to join the global surveillance apparatus have never been lower. Dozens of companies, ranging from NSO Group and Cellebrite in Israel to Finfisher in Germany and Hacking Team in Italy, sell digital spy tools to governments.

A number of companies in the United States are training foreign law enforcement and intelligence officials to code their own surveillance tools. In many cases these tools are able to circumvent security measures like encryption. Some countries are using them to watch dissidents. Others are using them to aggressively silence and punish their critics, inside and outside their borders.

“There’s no substantial regulation,” said Bill Marczak, a senior fellow at the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs, who has been tracking the spread of spyware around the globe. “Any government who wants spyware can buy it outright or hire someone to develop it for you. And when we see the poorest countries deploying spyware, it’s clear money is no longer a barrier.”

Mr. Marczak examined Mr. Mansoor’s emails and found that, before his arrest, he had been targeted by spyware sold by Finfisher and Hacking Team, which sell surveillance tools to governments for comparably cheap six- and seven-figure sums. Both companies sell tools that turn computers and phones into listening devices that can monitor a target’s messages, calls and whereabouts.

In 2011, in the midst of the Arab Spring, Mr. Mansoor was arrested with four others on charges of insulting Emirate rulers. He and the others had called for universal suffrage. They were quickly released and pardoned following international pressure


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/30/technology/governments-turn-to-commercial-spyware-to-intimidate-dissidents.html


392  Other / Politics & Society / Re: War Crimes of Imperial Japan: A Lesson In Moral Equivalence for Mr. Obama on: May 29, 2016, 04:13:09 PM
I still dont understand why you are making a connection between the use of atomic bombs and the atrocities of imperial japans army.

Following your argument we gotta nuke every nation on this planet and the usa would be one of the first in line.

As far as i know most militaries and historians are condemning the firebombing of dresden.

Additionaly Einstein was condemning the build and use of the atomic bomb after hiroshima and nagasaki too - you can read that in every Einstein biography.
Einstein was trying to force the build of the atomic bomb because he knew nazi germany and imperial japan were researching it and would have used it without a blink of an eye - something he didnt realize about the americans.



You are saying whoever had the bomb first was going to use it.


We agree.



393  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 29, 2016, 04:00:57 PM

A good angle for trolling is to state that at the end of the day, women are biologically programmed to prefer a strong male in leadership positions.  Especially when there are threats and dangers lurking.  Thus, Trump will not end up having big problems here.

This suggestion also happens to have an element of truth to it which is a key factor in the most effective trolls.


Thus in this case, troll means truth at the end of the day?


To me 'troll' means 'truth' in almost all cases of high quality.  The defining aspect of a 'troll' would be that it 'gets people's goat' and 'causes a reaction.'  An undeniable truth which conflicts with someone's prefered outlook is highly effective here.  People either lash out or stay mum and over time adjust their defective outlook for the better.

Thus, a high quality troll is a valuable and healthy thing.  And often a hell of a lot of fun.  The cherry on the top is that it is highly ethical since any pain and outrage it may cause is a direct result of deficiencies in the victim that are, ideally, on the mend.  Like a wound which itches as it is healing.

When I call Donald J. Trump a 'troll', I do so as a compliment.

 ---tvbcof: Trolling the net since the usenet days.




I am glad none of those people exist in Po & So...


394  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 29, 2016, 03:52:57 PM










 Smiley


395  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 29, 2016, 03:42:46 PM




 Smiley


396  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: May 29, 2016, 03:38:35 PM

A good angle for trolling is to state that at the end of the day, women are biologically programmed to prefer a strong male in leadership positions.  Especially when there are threats and dangers lurking.  Thus, Trump will not end up having big problems here.

This suggestion also happens to have an element of truth to it which is a key factor in the most effective trolls.




Thus in this case, troll means truth at the end of the day?


397  Other / Politics & Society / Re: War Crimes of Imperial Japan: A Lesson In Moral Equivalence for Mr. Obama on: May 29, 2016, 03:36:29 PM
Maybe you should fact check in some history books wilikion, seems you have no clue about the historical and military background of the pacific war.

I will give you a short introduction:

1. UDSSR was preparing the invasion of mainland japan - US intervention wasn't even needed.

2. The military-industrial complex of japan was nearly completely destroyed same as their overall industry.

3. Japan had nearly no war important resources left ( mainly fuel, food, arms and land/air/sea vehicles )

To summarize: they had nothing left.

Still the US decided to use one atomic bomb on 6. August 1945 and 3 days later a second atomic bomb.

Also the use of the atomic bomb by the US was decided before the Allies sent an ultimatum of surrender to imperial japan which imho is a good clue why the US used the atomic bomb:

As a real life test in a war and much more important as a display of power to the sowjets.

It has nothing to do with saving american or japanese lifes. A legend for the sheeples - like the vietnam war that was lost at home; just another "Dolchstoß-Legende".

I'm not under the impression that invading Japan would have been a cakewalk.

The US was demanding unconditional surrender, and the Japanese had refused that.  It certainly did have to do with saving lives.  You might argue it was multifactorial, of course.



Yes of course it wouldnt have been a cakewalk but reality was that imperial japan lost all offensive capacities and had nearly no defensive capacities left.
The US at that time had absolute air superiority and could just bomb the rest of japan as they did before.
There was no need to rush the unconditional surrender with 2 atomic bombs.

Dont you agree there?


The japanese historical inhumane atrocities should not be buried, nor forgotten either.

Don't you agree there?





Of course but where is the connection with using nukes on mostly civilians?

Or are you saying these civilians in hiroshima and nagasaki were directly involved in the atrocieties perpetrated on mainland asia?


Of course but where is the connection with using torture and cannibalism by the japanese troops on mostly civilians?

Or are you saying these civilians in berlin and dresden were directly involved in the atrocieties perpetrated all over europe by the nazi?

Was Einstein wrong to push for the atomic bomb?

Title of this thread:
A Lesson In Moral Equivalence


398  Other / Politics & Society / Re: War Crimes of Imperial Japan: A Lesson In Moral Equivalence for Mr. Obama on: May 29, 2016, 02:31:21 PM
Maybe you should fact check in some history books wilikion, seems you have no clue about the historical and military background of the pacific war.

I will give you a short introduction:

1. UDSSR was preparing the invasion of mainland japan - US intervention wasn't even needed.

2. The military-industrial complex of japan was nearly completely destroyed same as their overall industry.

3. Japan had nearly no war important resources left ( mainly fuel, food, arms and land/air/sea vehicles )

To summarize: they had nothing left.

Still the US decided to use one atomic bomb on 6. August 1945 and 3 days later a second atomic bomb.

Also the use of the atomic bomb by the US was decided before the Allies sent an ultimatum of surrender to imperial japan which imho is a good clue why the US used the atomic bomb:

As a real life test in a war and much more important as a display of power to the sowjets.

It has nothing to do with saving american or japanese lifes. A legend for the sheeples - like the vietnam war that was lost at home; just another "Dolchstoß-Legende".

I'm not under the impression that invading Japan would have been a cakewalk.

The US was demanding unconditional surrender, and the Japanese had refused that.  It certainly did have to do with saving lives.  You might argue it was multifactorial, of course.



Yes of course it wouldnt have been a cakewalk but reality was that imperial japan lost all offensive capacities and had nearly no defensive capacities left.
The US at that time had absolute air superiority and could just bomb the rest of japan as they did before.
There was no need to rush the unconditional surrender with 2 atomic bombs.

Dont you agree there?


The japanese historical inhumane atrocities should not be buried, nor forgotten either.

Don't you agree there?


399  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Mind-reaching machine could soon turn your secret thoughts into speech on: May 29, 2016, 02:15:10 PM
Prove it. What am i thinking now?



"Joooooozz AArrgghh gggNNnnnaaahhhkk Joooozzz!!!1!!!11!"






400  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: May 29, 2016, 02:12:49 PM



Iraqi Migrant Who Wore T-Shirt Saying ‘I’m Muslim, Don’t Panic’ Is Beaten By Three Other Muslims







    An asylum seeker who jokingly wore a T-shirt saying ‘I’m Muslim, don’t panic’ was so savagely beaten by his fellow refugees that he had to be rushed to hospital.

    The 23-year-old Iraqi had thought that his fellow Islamic asylum seekers would see the funny side, but instead they accused him of offending their religion and decided to teach him a painful lesson.

    The man was attacked in the evening as he returned to his asylum seeker home in Berlin, Germany wearing the T-shirt which he had just bought.

    He was allegedly confronted by three angry Muslims who ripped up the T-shirt and ran off after beating him.

    Two of the alleged attackers, a 27-year-old from Syria and a 33-year-old from Lebanon, were later arrested on charges of aggravated GBH.
    Police said a report would be prepared for prosecutors.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3613001/Iraqi-migrant-bought-T-shirt-saying-m-Muslim-don-t-panic-hospitalised-three-Islamic-asylum-seekers-thought-insulting-religion.html




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