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41  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: July 02, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
_____________________________________________________________________________

If you pre ordered and never received a product, fill out the following form and you may receive a refund:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg7474652#msg7474652

_____________________________________________________________________________

If you pre ordered and never received a product, filled out the above paper, and still haven't received anything or simply want to seek legal action against Ken/ActiveMining:

Wood Law Info:

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation
888-237-0999
1100 Main Street, Suite 1800, Kansas City, Missouri 64105
1736 E. Sunshine Street, Suite 209, Springfield, Missouri 65804

_____________________________________________________________________________

If you are an shareholder/investor and feel that you were conned/mislead by Ken Slaughter & ActiveMining:

MSD Info:

Shawn Hagerty
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-526-3901
573-526-3124 (fax)
shawn.hagerty@sos.mo.gov

Scott Johnson
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-751-4704
scott.johnson@sos.mo.gov

Missouri Securities Contact Information Page


_____________________________________________________________________________

If you do not want to give the government your information for whatever reason, sell your shares on Crypto-Trade:

https://crypto-trade.com/
(The price is extremely low)


_____________________________________________________________________________
42  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: July 01, 2014, 02:23:07 PM
I prepared myself for losing every penny I put into this investment a long time ago but understanding that I was able to influence change and take some sort of control of the situation I chose to continue to support Ken and his efforts to make a success of the company.

You did nothing and continue to do nothing for this company besides look like a lunatic.

...
Jesus, you just don't get it do you?  Accepting something as a possibility is not the same as believing something is inevitable.  I accept I am going to die at some stage but don't mope around in a morbid state like some of you clowns.   A fucking gain I need to spell this shit out to you and your blinkered view of the universe.  I prepared myself for losing every penny I put into this investment a long time ago but understanding that I was able to influence change and take some sort of control of the situation I chose to continue to support Ken and his efforts to make a success of the company.  You did the same fuck face, except you are a traitor and a turncoat who demands to influence those of a weaker disposition.  Some of us have morals you fucking dipshit.  Haha! How's them bananas?  Grin

There's a vast difference between a genuine failed startup and Ken's IPO scam. How can you support him after so many lies and at the same time speak about morals?

I think he's confusing Morals with Opportunism which is why he kept saying he's going to buy up all the shares, threaten everyone with the tax man, and continue to support a con artist all for the unrealistic risk that maybe Ken can get through this and him and Zumzero will sail into the sunset.

Sometimes when you "accept a loss", you actually "lose your mind" which is what we're seeing here with Zumzero.
43  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 30, 2014, 09:39:13 PM
I accepted a total loss a long time ago
Weird for someone that's accepted it you seem to be around a lot.

Accelerating the demise of a company as akin to shooting oneself in the proverbial foot.
But you accepted the loss so to you the company is already doomed/dead.... you saying this doesn't make sense

It's all about acting in a way which has the greatest chance of affecting a positive outcome.
Looks like most of the people in this forum have decided for themselves which "chance" that would be. Please don't try to persuade anyone as that would go against what you've been fighting this whole time for.
44  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: June 30, 2014, 09:27:23 PM
Can't really say much else other than I'm working on a bit right now.

Oh Really!?
45  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 30, 2014, 07:55:31 PM
Also, if Ken gets fined and pays out to the MSD what is to stop himself declaring bankruptcy before honouring those shareholders who decided they'd try and sell their shares back to Ken.  Surely if there is nothing left in the pot after paying the fine, then no one gets a thing.

You make an excellent point Zumzero,

That simply means we're in no different of a position now than we would be then and you get to go down with your ship regardless!

Win/Win for you it seems.
46  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Lawsuit Discussion on: June 30, 2014, 07:12:28 PM
I tried calling Wood Law Info:888-237-0999, but no one picked up the phone.

Has anyone received refund using the form from
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg7474652#msg7474652

?



I sent them an email before and it took ~2 days for them to get back to me.
47  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Lawsuit Discussion on: June 30, 2014, 06:24:17 PM
VMC owes me $9,239.60. I am trying to get the promised refund since March! Can someone help me please.

2013-11-29   $9,239.60

Order Reference IHHOAKLGE -- placed on 2013-11-29



2014-03-27 15:48:43   Refund
2013-12-03 10:43:54   Payment accepted
2013-11-29 14:09:55   Awaiting bank wire payment
2013-11-29 14:09:54   Pre-Ordered

_____________________________________________________________________________

If you pre ordered and never received a product, fill out the following form and you may receive a refund:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg7474652#msg7474652

_____________________________________________________________________________

If you pre ordered and never received a product, filled out the above paper, and still haven't received anything or simply want to seek legal action against Ken/ActiveMining:

Wood Law Info:

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation
888-237-0999
1100 Main Street, Suite 1800, Kansas City, Missouri 64105
1736 E. Sunshine Street, Suite 209, Springfield, Missouri 65804

_____________________________________________________________________________

If you are an shareholder/investor and feel that you were conned/mislead by Ken Slaughter & ActiveMining:

MSD Info:

Shawn Hagerty
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-526-3901
573-526-3124 (fax)
shawn.hagerty@sos.mo.gov

Scott Johnson
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-751-4704
scott.johnson@sos.mo.gov

Missouri Securities Contact Information Page


_____________________________________________________________________________

If you do not want to give the government your information for whatever reason, sell your shares on Crypto-Trade:

https://crypto-trade.com/
(The price is extremely low)


_____________________________________________________________________________
48  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 28, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
The drama continues!

It was getting pretty boring in here for the last few days.


I'm going to try to sum up Zumzeros post.. if I may...

Bargraphics is crumbs
Minerpart is crumbs
crumbs is both of us and we've been arguing with ourselves for months now.
Ken is good for Bitcoin
Getting your money back from con artist is bad for bitcoin
Zumzero is suggesting you do not use the legal approach to gaining your money back, which means he would rather you use illegal means.
Zumzero is trying to persuade you not to be persuaded by anyone... ironic

I'm sure there's probably some other hidden messages in there but that's kind of what I got out of it.


Again for anyone that isn't bat shit crazy and wants to know all of their choices,
_____________________________________________________________________________

If you pre ordered and never received a product, fill out the following form and you may receive a refund:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg7474652#msg7474652

_____________________________________________________________________________

If you pre ordered and never received a product, filled out the above paper, and still haven't received anything or simply want to seek legal action against Ken/ActiveMining:

Wood Law Info:

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation
888-237-0999
1100 Main Street, Suite 1800, Kansas City, Missouri 64105
1736 E. Sunshine Street, Suite 209, Springfield, Missouri 65804

_____________________________________________________________________________

If you are an shareholder/investor and feel that you were conned/mislead by Ken Slaughter & ActiveMining:

MSD Info:

Shawn Hagerty
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-526-3901
573-526-3124 (fax)
shawn.hagerty@sos.mo.gov

Scott Johnson
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-751-4704
scott.johnson@sos.mo.gov

Missouri Securities Contact Information Page


_____________________________________________________________________________

If you do not want to give the government your information for whatever reason, sell your shares on Crypto-Trade:

https://crypto-trade.com/
(The price is extremely low)


_____________________________________________________________________________

If you don't care about this venture at all anymore and just come here to laugh at zumzero's posts just give me an amen!
49  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: June 28, 2014, 03:26:10 PM
Nope, not yet.  I'm really hoping for the best, but expecting the worst...

That makes two of us
50  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 27, 2014, 07:39:42 PM
Well I filled out the form scanned it and emailed it to the address on the form. So is this actually going to happen in the 7 business days that you said it would take or is this just more bullshit? The total is $25,931.60. I want to see about 44btc in my account pronto buddy!

Are you asking for a refund on the gear you claimed was "DOA" or is this for other gear you ordered and never received?

Just trying to clarify so others know if you do get a refund.
51  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 26, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
This is where HardwareReviewer's Refund came from

https://blockchain.info/en/address/1DJpsvnM7xTnQbWEhLYyCyfxQyxwupEzCa

Quote
Warning! this bitcoin address contains transactions which may be double spends. You should be extremely careful when trusting any transactions to or from this address.

Huh
Isnt that just a function of coinbase coins, moving through the address before they are fully confirmed?

Yes, just asked around and it appears that it's what happens sometimes from mined coins.


I'm sorry for shareholders, but this house of cards is about to come falling down.

It's been falling down for months now.
52  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 26, 2014, 07:27:28 PM
This is where HardwareReviewer's Refund came from

https://blockchain.info/en/address/1DJpsvnM7xTnQbWEhLYyCyfxQyxwupEzCa

Quote
Warning! this bitcoin address contains transactions which may be double spends. You should be extremely careful when trusting any transactions to or from this address.

Huh
53  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [VMC] Unofficial Virtual Mining Corporation Discussion on: June 25, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
Herein lies the problem: a) it was not a pre-order, but one for in-stock items and b) I have not received anything, at all, let alone a refund form.

Fumbling fuckwit, love that!!.  Still, he's picked the wrong man to mess with.

Much appreciate your feedback.

They are giving out refunds now. Just fill out the form you were mailed and send it back to them... Albeit Bitcoin at current exchange rate... He's not a con artist just a fumbling fuckwit. No excuse though. He is breaking the law. Be persistent
Here's some info,

Wood Law at the bottom would be closer to what you need I believe.

_______________________________________________________________________

MSD Info:

Shawn Hagerty
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-526-3901
573-526-3124 (fax)
shawn.hagerty@sos.mo.gov

Scott Johnson
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-751-4704
scott.johnson@sos.mo.gov

Missouri Securities Contact Information Page

Wood Law Info:

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation
888-237-0999
1100 Main Street, Suite 1800, Kansas City, Missouri 64105
1736 E. Sunshine Street, Suite 209, Springfield, Missouri 65804
54  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 25, 2014, 11:08:41 PM
I'm here to voice my minority opinion and represent those who feel the same way.

Yes the self appointed "minority spokesman".

There are many in the Bitcoin community who would value privacy and anonymity over whatever money might be reclaimed from a bad investment.

There are also those out there that have chosen their path to stay with Ken and will say anything to stop others from hurting this company. Unfortunately your threats are empty and the US Gov doesn't give a shit about your pillow money that you blew on a bad investment and didn't report to the IRS.

As I said before Zum, anyone that is scared of the US Gov won't contact the MSD so your posts are pointless. Anyone that simply doesn't have the information will benefit from other shareholders providing the contact information to them.

Guys like me will go down with the ship




Edit:

OK .. so here's what this Ken Slaughter con artist did to me: ordered 10 of Fast-Hash One Gold Rush boards when they advertised 30 to be available in stock.

Three weeks later today, there's the usual no response. E-mails, messages on the order trail, their voicemails, you name it. Zilch. All demanding a refund or the equipment.

The bastards are just a bunch of con artists, and I have to admit I've been conned.  Still .. I've been around the world and in business long enough to not let anyone get away with even a single ounce of my gold, let alone $8,722.00 in cash.

So here's what I'm doing: contacted the Missouri Attorney General's office, who advised that this is a C 7 felony in Missouri, which carries a maximum prison sentence of 7 years.

I've also contacted a law firm in Missouri to bring criminal proceedings against these crooks; I don't care if it ends up costing $100K - I will see these bastards behind bars or get my money, damages and interest in full.

If anyone's interested in joining and has credible evidence (I know I do), then PM me.

Another "bump in the road".....

Oh and the mine is down to ~72TH at the time of this posting - http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1DJpsvnM7xTnQbWEhLYyCyfxQyxwupEzCa
55  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 25, 2014, 12:59:50 PM
Is there any legal way those that got shares not directly from the company at IPO but from trading at btct or bitfunder could get a (partial) bitcoin refund?

I never intended to pay this baboon's retirement when I sailed good 9 BTC to his venture. I guess Im still in denial, haven't yet contacted the law firms, should I? non-IPO share holder, non USA citizen... what are my chances I get a single penny out of this shitstorm?

The impression that the MSD gave me was that it shouldn't matter when you purchased your shares. They will try to get restitution for everyone that was deceived by Ken.

Restitution is still being figured out but I highly recommend contacting the MSD and getting all relevant information to them that way you are all set once everything is decided and if you choose to stay with Ken at that point you simply wouldn't take the offer.

Here's some information for you:

_______________________________________________________________________

MSD Info:

Shawn Hagerty
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-526-3901
573-526-3124 (fax)
shawn.hagerty@sos.mo.gov

Scott Johnson
Investigator
Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division
600 W. Main St., Box 1276
Jefferson City, MO  65102
573-751-4704
scott.johnson@sos.mo.gov

Missouri Securities Contact Information Page

Wood Law Info:

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation
888-237-0999
1100 Main Street, Suite 1800, Kansas City, Missouri 64105
1736 E. Sunshine Street, Suite 209, Springfield, Missouri 65804
56  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 24, 2014, 03:01:30 PM
There was around 450> btc ($300,000) lost on Gox. (Can someone please let me know the right amount, cant find it, i'm sure its less)
Yet people throw this around as if Ken had lost the whole $6 million of pre orders.
How many Bitcoins did Ken take in?
How many Bitcoins did Ken cash out for the NRE?
How many Bitcoins did Ken spend on all of the server cases/racks/Engineering for the Avalon Clones/etc..
After all of this mess what is left over in Bitcoins?

How much Money Did Ken receive on Pre-Orders? How much in BTC, how much in USD? Was the BTC price going up the only reason this company has stayed in business this long?
Is Ken actually money laundering by providing his refunds in BTC that were in USD as some refunds are a substantial amount? (This is a serious question)
What % of BTC was lost in Gox (I was told it was ~420 BTC total by someone that Ken supposedly told, I think I brought it up in IRC and then it forced Ken to come clean on here. It's too hidden at this point to verify the timeline but if someone could that would be great)


People are stating that Ken has not shipped anything.
He has actually sold out the Gold rush cards.
People are stating that Ken is not shipping what he said he was going to ship. I believe Ken said he would be converting pre-orders and sending out prospectors/gold rush cards to them. Instead he sold more and at fire sale prices to boot, then opted to refund others. Maybe they declined the "swap', there's little information on this.

No one can argue that the consistency of orders being placed and them being shipped was terrible. Some received them right away, some waited weeks, if there were issues with the board then it took even longer to send back and get them fixed.



Mining at 100th.

So this is what $2M in Investor money gets you.
He's also issuing refunds using this money
He's also planning to pay MSD Fees with this money
*I'm going to assume he will also try to pay the restitution with this money as well*



People were stating Ken could not give out dividends.
Missouri securities actually stated he couldn't take more investment. Kens lawyer stated this would not matter as there was no intention to.

Ken can likely still pay out "dividends" This needs to be clarified by the MSD.
Ken's lawyer stated that Ken has no plans to break the law again basically.



People are acting like the Missouri securities fine will be the death of the company.
Its going to be  $100,000>

The fines are the least of Ken's financial worries.


People are stating that the reimbursement is going to end the company.
All 10,000,000 shares reimbursed at the 0.05 would only be $500,000. Highly unlikely. And generally more beneficial to ACTM.

We'll have to wait and see how much the restitution will be.
You are using 0.05 cents when it could be as much as 0.25 cents if they use Ken's second IPO, maybe they will use the middle of the two. We won't know until we do.



Ken stated he wants to refund 100% pre orders.
He has started this process.
Great, but how does this help ActM financially? His whole business was running off this Pre-Order money. Now that he has a "100TH Mine" he can start refunding? Must be great to receive an interest free loan for a product that never materialized.



Ken has stated he is working with Hashfast and their creditors.
HashFasts "Creditors" are reading this thread. They see the trouble Ken is in. I wonder how these discussions are going. Ken is using the same factory HashFast was using, the same parts HashFast was using, the same board HashFast was using. Do you not think during these bankruptcy proceedings, their board design/vendors for parts/and factory will not be disclosed and potentially be used by people that receive chips? Hell they even have Pepper Mining to use for boards/parts if they needed, why would they use ActM?



Since the IPO bitcoin has gone up over 5x.
Yes, thank you for reminding every shareholder how much they lost.
Thank you for also reminding us exactly why we're in this mess, Ken road the bitcoin increase this far which is the only reason this business even exists right now.


ACTM received a partial refund from easic (nobody knows the exact amount)
Correct (We assume there was a refund based on Kens word)



ACTM received a full refund from Avalon.

See first "Quote"



ACTM sold out the Gold rush cards.

You mean when they went from like 130 in stock to 0 one day? We have no idea if these were purchase or the inventory number was simply altered. This is not a fact and is the fiction you were yelling about.


ACTM has a working IP - Purchased for 150,000 shares.
...
Yes ActM does. This IP for 55nm chips that operate at ~3-4W/GH when I saw the backend designers gate level simulation. I didn't comment on this because after Ken purchased this "IP" things could have changed and I have no clue if they made modifications or changes (Highly unlikely) thus Ken basically flat out lied about the power draw in my opinion but with no way for me to verify.

This 55nm chip was cancelled

The 28nm Chip design never started last I heard (Would need Ken to prove otherwise)

All of these ARE facts unless Ken can actually prove otherwise regardless if you want to believe it or not.


As stated before the pre order money could have easily funded the 28nm full custom asic. It is not uncommon in this industry.

The cost of a 28nm "Full custom ASIC" is around $2M - $3M
Ken supposedly took in $6M (This is bullshit though because this was during the time that "sales" were orders issued though the website but never paid)
Ken is refunding people out of mining revenue, in all of the addresses that Ken has he truly did receive $6M he wouldn't have enough to cover that unless he's got a fat bank account (I don't believe he does as he road the Bitcoin price increase this far)

What do you think the prices are for these HashFast boards + Parts. Do you honestly believe he could fund a 28nm chip and do this HashFast project?


This was a lot to write up so if I missed something let me know I'd be happy to clarify it. This post isn't meant to be an attack on you Jimmy just getting information out.
57  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 24, 2014, 12:57:21 PM
I have never met such a bunch of retards.

Yes the company may be struggling and on its last legs.

But could we please start living in reality and facts. Not fiction and conspiracys.

Which reality is that? The one you continue to make up by not accepting the facts?

Please post something with substance instead of your usual "This company can LIVE! Everyone that disagrees is stoopid!"

We all want to have a discussion based on "reality and facts" please show us some (Try not to omit the negatives)

Kind Regards
58  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 24, 2014, 12:42:57 AM
HOLY TOLEDO guys!

Ken actually already refunded my order in BTC.
I can't believe it. Are you sure bitcoin transactions aren't reversible? Smiley

I will need at least one week to recover from this totally unexpected event.

Finally I can close this chapter full of horror.

Nice, now let's see how many he actually does.

Not that I'm pessimistic, but when I ordered from him he sent the prospector board next day air in like two days. Then I come on the board and see people waiting a week or two and get it shipped ground.
Hopefully he can continue this trend and get refunds out to everyone in similar fashion.
59  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 23, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Anyone else just get a random password reset from the VMC website?
60  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 23, 2014, 08:00:28 PM
Not all risk is financial.  Not everyone in the community is comfortable sharing their personal details with a governmental body.  Look where it got Charlie Shrem.

I think this is the first thing you've said I can agree with. Everyone has their own risk factors. Charlie Shrem is a case all on it's own. He didn't follow the rules (So they say). Not sure how his situation is applicable in this scenario as from what I understand he didn't report suspicious activity as a money transmitter and his emails "incriminate him". I haven't really been following that but this is my understanding of his situation.

Virtual Mining Corpoation

Bitcoin Pre-Order Refund Agreement


I hereby agree for my pre-order equipment ordered from Virtual Mining Corporation paid is USD or bitcoins to be refunded to the bitcoin address below converted at the current coinbase.com buy price at the time the refund is issued.  I agree that this will be a full repayment of Virtual Minings obgation to you.

Name:
Address:
City:
State:
Country:

Order ID:
Order Date:
Total amount of order is USD:
Bitcoin Refund Address

I hereby agree the above terms:

_________________________________
Signed

_________________________________
Print Name


Sign and scan the above agreement and email to btcrefunds@virtualminingcorp.com

Anyone that uses this please report back if you receive your refund and how long it took.

Thank you!
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