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41  Economy / Economics / Re: If They Can Pay off their Debts, Why Don't They? on: September 21, 2023, 04:59:52 PM
I am not an economist so my question would be directed to those who understand economics and government administration. If a country is capable of paying off her debts, why don't they? Obviously , these developed countries I believe are capable of offsetting their debts because they even render aids to other developing nations.

Paying off debt as a country means producing a budget surplus: generate more revenue in taxes than are spent by the government. With how much debt has been generated among these countries, the repayment plans would take some number of decades, with many years requiring large budget surpluses.

Because these countries can print their own money, there isn't an incentive to produce budget surpluses, rather just borrow money and leave it to another generation to pay it back in 30 years.


Secondly, are there any benefits, economic or otherwise of a country being in debt?

There can be, yes. If you believe the debt taken on at any given time will lead to future prosperity, then the debt is an investment. For example, if you're the government and you issue 50M USD out in federal loans for young people to go to college and receive specialized education in engineering and medical science -- that 50M of debt could theoretically pay for itself over the lifetime of these young people given that they contribute to the economy with their specialized education and repay the government for these loans.

But the many trillions of dollars that are tied in debt with the countries you mention are far from investments with a positive return. Point being, not all debt is bad debt.
42  Economy / Economics / Re: Our future with renewable energy. on: September 21, 2023, 01:37:01 PM
Yes, it's technically "possible" to switch to renewables entirely. The pertinent question is how much GDP growth and how much wealth a country is willing to give up in order to take on the burden of switching to renewable energy. The cost analysis is rather clear that renewables will not generate a positive ROI, they will not pay for themselves. The countries that switched to renewables that you've laid out are either misleading on what percentage of their energy comes from renewables (meaning they still have carbon based energy sources that they rely on and therefore aren't entirely CO2 emissions free) or they don't have a large energy demand to begin with.

Carbon based energy sources are cheap and efficient. Having India, China, and the U.S. switching entirely to renewables within the next 20-30 years is economic suicide. The U.S. is on track to lower their emissions more than India and China, but even they would need something like 50+ years to go zero emissions.

And at which point, I've been informed by the climate alarmists, it'll be too late and we'll all die from climate change so what difference would it make.
43  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is Marriage a contract or a union? on: September 21, 2023, 09:49:13 AM
The rate at which we hear of divorce cases this days around the world is heart breaking. Particularly in the western world. What could be the main reason for this menace in our society.

Religious couples have the lowest rates of divorce, and religious affiliation is falling.

If you look at the statistics, the reason why the divorce rate could be so high is that you have some segment of the population that has been married and divorced multiple times. If you're divorced once, chances are rather high it could happen again.

when children are involved, they will be the one to suffer divided attention even though the law forces the parents to pay for their support. The question will then be: is financial  support all that it is to raising children?

Financial support isn't enough. The metrics are rather clear that children from single parent household on average end up worse off than children raised in a two parent home.
44  Economy / Economics / Re: X (formerly Twitter) may be telling people like me to exit the platform on: September 19, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
The tabloids really enjoy writing these terrible articles based on an ambiguous comment Musk made in an hour long interview with Benjamin Netanyahu...

He did not specify what this fee would be nor did he specify that every X user would be required to pay for it. Seemed like an off the cuff comment, and news organizations are running with it.

More likely to me he might introduce a lower subscription tier than the one he already offers and may limit what the "free" version of X offers. I doubt he's considering a subscription only model for all users of the site.
45  Economy / Economics / Re: Thailand to start taxing overseas income next year, including from crypto on: September 19, 2023, 07:46:04 PM
If the income is foreign generated, I'm not sure how large the tax burden should be in the jurisdiction that the person resides in. Someone living in Thailand is still subject to VAT, so it's not as if they're paying nothing.

And any foreign income would be subject to income tax from the original jurisdiction too. Not great for investors.
46  Other / Politics & Society / Re: House Democrats confronted by protestors over migrant crisis in NYC on: September 17, 2023, 07:45:33 AM
The NYC constituency being forced to bear the burden of their voting habits, a tragedy.
what do you mean? I don't necessarily think people in NYC voted for the migrant crisis there they didn't think that could happen so give them a break.

They're a sanctuary city, perhaps conceitedly so, but still nonetheless. Though I do recall many stories of NYC mayor Eric Adams boasting about NYC's sanctuary status. To his defense, he's reversed course. AOC on the other hand is a lost cause.

Anyways, the NYC constituency voted for radical left wingers, and they should not be surprised when their governance reflects radical left wing policies.

everyone is unskilled when they first start out. that's why training and education exist. how long does it take to become a nurse? maybe 2 years? and then you're making $250,000 or more maybe way more. some of these people could do that just as easily as they might become an uber driver. there's demand for both.

I'm not arguing for or against the neoliberal perspective economic perspective. Only offering a potential explanation as to why NY might prohibit illegals from getting jobs. I mention wages are driven down -- it's mostly unskilled wages that are driven down because of cheap labor. But who benefits from cheap labor? The consumers. The doctors and lawyers of NYC don't need to worry about this. The uber drivers do.

In other words, if you're a skilled worker, it's within your interest to allow cheap unskilled labor to flourish. If you're an unskilled worker, it becomes an issue.

Yes, the illegals could educate themselves and benefit the local economy. But that's not what happens in actuality. Illegals generally take up low skilled positions and stick to them.
47  Other / Politics & Society / Re: U.S. threatens more sanctions on NK if the communist nation inks deal w/Russia on: September 17, 2023, 07:32:45 AM
The time has come for a gold-backed currency that is validated by crypto blockchains... with addresses and/or hashes written right into each currency bill. This may not make it totally counterfeit proof.

Time for BRICS to take up Bitcoin  Grin
48  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Some of country can offer you legal gambling in 2023! on: September 17, 2023, 07:26:32 AM
High taxation is the key so I think it's just practical, not non-ethical.

These gambling sites or physical casinos can pay enough that help increase the funds of one country to build things that will ease the lives of their people. Instead of letting them go wild in an illegal way they might as well just make them legal so that the government will get something out of them. Imagine how much money it will cost the government if they keep on hunting them like rats. This is the better way because they will be the ones paying up in tax form and I doubt it's cheap. Millions of money is what we are talking about here because they are part of the sin tax.
It's not about ethics in this era, it's more about what the government could give because all eyes are on them, especially in this bad economic state.

There's many countries that allow physical casinos but ban digital platforms for the reason a lot of tax funds are being thrown away when an individual plays on a virtual platform. At least with a physical casino, some amount of the funds are being recirculated into the local economy.

I agree this is a government limitation not based on ethics, rather they have financial motives. As if the government has ever cared about ethics.
49  Other / Politics & Society / Re: House Democrats confronted by protestors over migrant crisis in NYC on: September 17, 2023, 06:51:05 AM
The NYC constituency being forced to bear the burden of their voting habits, a tragedy.

why would you let people come into the country and not even let them work? it doesn't make sense. hopefully they are giving them some type of universal basic income while they sit and wait to work. that's all i can say!  Shocked

If there's an influx of cheap labor, it drives down wages of everyone else. The neoliberal perspective is that borders shouldn't exist and they would argue that it increases economic growth and raises productivity. But that assumes you're dealing with a skilled labor force, which these people are not.
50  Economy / Economics / Re: India Expands G20 Membership to G21 During Its Presidency. on: September 17, 2023, 06:38:55 AM
BTW, The Chinese president was not present in this meeting nor did Zelensky and Putin. I can understand the problem with Putin & Zelensky, what I did not understand was why the Chinese premier thought of canceling his visit. A few days back he was present at the BRICS summit which for me looks kind of awkward. Do you guys think he canceled his visit because of the existing border issue with India or something else?

India is more closely affiliated with Russia than they are of Ukraine. Zelenskyy would have nothing to do with G20 even if provided the opportunity only for the reason that India was hosting the summit this year. India's been purchasing Russian oil, and they've repeatedly abstained from voting to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine on any UN resolutions that comes up.

As for Xi Jinping, he would not be affiliated with an organization that is heavy with western countries. China is on the UN security counsel along with the U.S., but they joined as permanent members post WW2. It's one of the exceptions. They're membership is laughable anyways.
51  Economy / Economics / Re: Economics is not fulfilling its true potential as a science on: September 16, 2023, 11:00:18 AM
It's not fair to lump all economists together. Economists like Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell have been opining on the failure of government to follow basic economic principles for decades. Meanwhile, so called economists like Paul Krugman, conflate economics and politics, praising liberal failures in fiscal policy.

Economists opine on matters related to monetary/fiscal policy. The politicians act within their own whims, and it's entirely up to these politicians on who they choose to listen to. Economists are not in the position to form public policy, that's the job of the congress.
52  Other / Off-topic / Re: Working over 20 years still poor on: September 16, 2023, 09:45:42 AM
Can we conclude that such are individual destiny?

No, I don't believe in deterministic outcomes. If you work for 20 years and are still poor, you've likely made willful decisions that have kept you secured to the low income group.

Educate yourself with a diverse and marketable skillset, earn more than you spend, and set aside funds for investment early to allow for accrual over 20 years plus and your chance of being impoverished is virtually zero.
53  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: September 16, 2023, 09:38:44 AM
RCP polling averages have Trump +0.5 points on Biden, with DeSantis trailing on recent polls by a few percentage points.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

Firstly, polls this early do not mean anything. Of course, gamblers will make use of available data so as to place their bets accordingly if they're betting on an outcome -- but again, it's too early.

But I raise this because it highlights precisely why you should *not* be using polls as the quintessential element in predicting outcome. Many of the polls that have Trump beating Biden assumes that he will greatly overperform on the minority vote, securing something like 20-30% of the black vote and perhaps even more of the hispanic vote. If Trump were to secure this portion of the minority vote, then a Trump victory seems plausible and the polling numbers seem accurate. However, based on historical trends, a democratic candidate hasn't secured less than 90% of the black vote in the last three election cycles, so for the polls to suggest that Trump has any chance of securing double digits of the black is erroneous. Setting propaganda from the Trump team about his great poll numbers against Biden aside, the actual data beneath the headlines render the poll results nearly worthless.

Generally speaking, economic indicators are a great way of predicting election results. This applies to elections globally. Over and over again, when there is large uncertainty in the direction of the economy, voters will often elect the opposing party into power, whether or not the opposing party would actually cause greater economic prosperity.

And so if at any point from now until the election there were to be a recession, Trump's chances of victory boost significantly.
54  Other / Politics & Society / Re: U.S. threatens more sanctions on NK if the communist nation inks deal w/Russia on: September 15, 2023, 08:06:37 PM
What additional sanctions exist for the Russians to endure. Surely nothing. And would clinically obese Kim Jong Un be personally affected by sanctions of his country -- his people are starving to death and live in totalitarian hell, after all.

Threats of sanctions are obsolescent. It's the U.S. State Department's crutch when they can't gain willful compliance, but sanctions only works if USD/related assets are still strong.
55  Economy / Economics / Re: If the global economy collapses what's the first thing you do? on: September 15, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
Honestly if you have BTC congrats !!! We are heading  into a major economic shift and I feel like when the tides are turning like this there should be a conscious effort to land on the right side of that shift!!! Am I right? What should bitcoiners be doing right now to prepare for a potential global economic hardship other than the obvious which is to hodl and accumulate as much as you can...

In what situation can we consider a global economy collapse?

- during a World War as in most countries are participants?
- during a Cold War between major countries?
- during a pandemic like the one that happened a few years ago when almost all industries were down.

Bitcoin might have been the best thing we had during that time but believe me, I'd rather not have lots of BTC on hand if in return I had to experience those listed disasters. Inflation sucks but it's not that, we are facing a total nightmare dealing with only fiat.

It really only takes the U.S., Europe, or China for the world economy to fail. The U.S. has the largest affect because of their share of global GDP and the value of their import/export totals are greater than the GDP of some small countries. Consider the percentage a country's share of global GDP to be proportional to the risk that individual country has that could cause a global recession of some degree.

All the factors you mentioned could trigger a global collapse, but realistically it could happen if the individual economies of large regions collapse for whatever reason. There does not need to be a global event for a global collapse -- the global economy is so interconnected that only one country could cause a domino effect.
56  Other / Off-topic / Re: Please Be Careful With The Doctors And Hospitals You Visit. on: September 15, 2023, 03:04:22 PM
False story or not, it seems believable enough to warrant caution. Doctors kill more people inadvertently than some may realize. And in some cases, they kill patients intentionally.

Christopher Duntsch, orthopedic surgeon referred to as "Dr. Death" was responsible for the death and maiming of dozens of patients. Even after botched operations, he was allowed to continue operating on patients. Wasn't until after some number of people had died under his care until he was finally jailed.

And how is a patient supposed to know any better? The doctors surrounding this sociopath should have spoken up sooner.
57  Economy / Economics / Re: Human Capital, An Intangible Asset for a Company's success. on: September 14, 2023, 01:53:34 PM
  • Improve education for your workforce
  • Provide a work culture that encourages creativity
  • Divide labor into specialized niches
  • Hire a diverse workforce
  • Provide ongoing coaching

Diversity in hiring used to mean ranges of individuals with diverse skill sets. Now, companies have turned diversity hiring to be based solely on race and not skill, sometimes turning down more qualified candidates who aren't of a particular skin color.

I suppose the logic is that diversity in race adds to social capital of a team -- but it's been refuted over and over again that race as a factor alone improves dynamics in the workforce or in academia. No evidence that "diversity hires" do anything but add to a company's ESG score.
58  Economy / Economics / Re: Tim Gurner wants Unemployment to increase. Employers have lost their power. on: September 13, 2023, 08:57:15 PM
Well, this is Tim Gurner's opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs even if it's so dumb, selfish and foolish like this guy just spat out now.

His opinion actually make sense. Some employee are demanding too much right now and that is pretty weird because there is a set of rules that you need to follow as an employee. There will be always alot more of empl to the employer so instead of just submitting to all these silly request and whatosoever, employer could just cut them off then hire another person that is willing to do the job right

That's normally how the private sector operates, except Tim Gurner wants employers to collude with one another to drive unemployment artificially high, thereby reducing market wages of everyone participating in the labor market. His opinion is corporatist jabber.

Employees shouldn't monopolize the labor market to artificially raise wages nor should employers do the same with job openings.
59  Economy / Economics / Re: Economics 101. Stagflation. on: September 13, 2023, 01:23:20 PM
I appreciate your responses, thank you for taking the time to write them.
So no growth is treated as the worst thing it could happen, but this is because of our current economic model in which governments print money at will, and in that case if your company is not in perpetual growth then you are in fact losing money, so before we can concentrate on the issue of a better wealth distribution, the whole economic system will have to change, and we are still far from this happening at all.
That's a good point from the perspective of businesses battling inflation, I didn't take that into account.
GDP growth matters because the population is growing. If GDP growth shrinks or remains stagnant with a growing population, that means lower quality of life because the amount of goods and services produced are distributed more thinly.

If you wanted to focus on redistribution, you could. That would involve taking wealth from the highest generators and giving it to those that generate less.

Historically, wealth redistribution has always resulted in a net reduction in GDP. It's not as practical as it may seem.
Thank you for pointing out population growth. I guess I didn't think about it because my country's been experiencing a negative population trend for a long time. But looking at this data, there's no population growth or very low population growth (below 1.5%) in the majority of the world, including European countries, China, India, and the US. So it has to be accounted for from the long-term perspective, so some growth is perhaps required, but a year or two of no growth or very low growth shouldn't be significantly bad regarding population growth.
As for redistribution, could you mention some examples of it leading to GDP reduction? Because what I see it research that says that increase in income inequality leads to GDP reduction, but that's a very different thing because wealth redistribution is meant to reduce income and wealth inequality.


It's entirely debatable whether income inequality leads to reduced economic growth. We would need to first define what income inequality looks like because disparity in income has always existed. At its core, disparity in income is income inequality and thus it's impossible for a free and fair economy to allow everyone to earn the same income. It assumes equal skill level for every participant in the workforce. If a physician has a different and more valuable skillset than a delivery person, income disparity must exist in a free market society. Presumably, taking away wealth from the physician and handing it to the delivery person is what solving wealth inequality would look like, and I don't see why that would do anything but reduce incentive to generate wealth hence lowering GDP.

You can point to any country that's condensed the welfare state into a centralized entity through high taxes and look at their GDP growth. It's always been stagnant. Israel in the late 90's and early 2000's struggled with growth and high inflation because they had taken wealth from high income earners and put them into generous social welfare programs that gave a disincentive for Israelis entering the labor market. It wasn't until the their Finance Minister reduced the social welfare state that labor participation increased and their economy began to grow. Of course, this was off the back of liberalization of their monetary policy -- reducing tariffs and opening the country to free markets and such. Point being, they tried a wealth redistribution approach and it didn't work.
60  Economy / Economics / Re: Economics 101. Stagflation. on: September 13, 2023, 11:29:26 AM
Okay, I have a question here.
In the past, let's say even a couple of centuries ago, humanity was still battling natural forces, unable to produce enough for everyone. If there was a drought, a flood, or something else, it was a catastrophe because the already limited resources got even more scarce, resulting in even more people dying. But starting from the industrial revolution, we did a major breakthrough which allowed to finally overcome the issue of not producing enough. Growth was very important to finally reach a point of abundance.
Now, the thing is, we've reached that point. Globally, we produce enough food to feed everyone, enough clothes, enough medicine. Perhaps not enough housing, but also a lot of vacant housing and all the resources needed to build more. But we're still stuck in thinking that slower growth is a bad thing, and no growth is terrible.
Isn't the issue no longer about how much we produce, but how we use and distribute what we produce? So doesn't it mean that we could, hypothetically, significantly improve the lives of people without any economic growth necessary? So couldn't at least some issues be resolved by focusing on redistribution and rethinking priorities?

GDP growth matters because the population is growing. If GDP growth shrinks or remains stagnant with a growing population, that means lower quality of life because the amount of goods and services produced are distributed more thinly.

If you wanted to focus on redistribution, you could. That would involve taking wealth from the highest generators and giving it to those that generate less.

Historically, wealth redistribution has always resulted in a net reduction in GDP. It's not as practical as it may seem.
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