I'm superficial in my thinking and can't see past my own nose.
I will attempt one more time and I'll do it by quoting from that letter
More troubling still, institutional leaders, in a spirit of panicked damage control, are delivering hasty and disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organizations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes.
The real threat to freedom of speech is not about youtube videos or social media. Those are just the outward symptoms of what is going on in the institutions of society. Noam Chomsky, Gloria Steinem etc are not "millennials". Nor are they just right wing people "crying" about something. A good portion of the people that signed that letter are professors in colleges. I suspect a large portion of them are liberals and they're finally waking up to the fact that liberalism is being attacked via the far left, "progressives" etc in order to destroy it and replace it with something that is not about personal freedoms or individuality. Racism, sexism, patriarchy, intersectionality etc etc are being used to silence all opposition to the cultural "revolution" they're trying to accomplish and the "millennials", who were indoctrinated to that way of thinking in college, are just their enforcement arm. That enforcement arm is now in positions of power within the corporations, the media etc. While the right has been complaining about a lot of this for some time now, it's only because it's threatening political speech that they're finally being far more vocal about it. But make no mistake, liberals and conservatives have been raising alarm bells for several years now. I'm not just making this up. In the theoretical literature that backs up all this stuff, it makes clear that "revolution" and the destruction of liberalism is the goal. |
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I'm a moron that thinks this is all about social media and young people.
You're right. I just like to type shit out that has no bearing on what's been said. Are you seriously this dense? Please go educate yourself cause every time you post something in here you just look like a moron. At the very least go watch the videos I posted. Yes, I am that dense and even more so as everything I post has nothing to do with the underlying issue because I'm too lazy to look into it or to even watch the videos provided. You're a waste of time. |
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If its so easy to commit voter fraud, why aren't Republicans doing it too?
"They" did.. North Carolina Ninth District.. but that can never be brought up for obvious reasons. |
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I'm a moron that thinks this is all about social media and young people.
You're right. I just like to type shit out that has no bearing on what's been said. Are you seriously this dense? Please go educate yourself cause every time you post something in here you just look like a moron. At the very least go watch the videos I posted. |
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I'm a moron that thinks this is all about social media and young people.
You're right. |
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if your banned from youtube.. oh well go find another platform.
your freedom to speak has not been revoked. just privilege of others to hear you has
Superficial view of what's really going on. This "cancelling" is being taught in elementary schools, universities; it's permeating everything all the way up to the corporations and even science. Western society is being ripped apart and the "side" that's doing it wants to silence everyone that doesn't see the world through their ideology. I watched a video of an "academic" trying to explain how math is racist. And as we're seeing, if you don't agree with all things racist (and it's not just that issue either), you get silenced. You lose your job if you speak out and disagree. You can't publish papers and on and on it goes. Seriously, go educate yourself on what's really going on instead of seeing this as just a social media issue. The people that are pushing all of this have made it crystal clear they want to tear down society as it is and rebuild it into something else. This issue is all encompassing and people like you are still blind to it all. The conservative "right or far right has been noting this problem and complaining/acting about it for at least five years, while it has gotten steadily worse and worse. My definition is that it is part of the solidifying of the left into a neo-fascist/marxist intolerant form of progressive totalitarianism. At least in part Trump is a reaction to these developments. Agree or disagree? I don't want to apply any labels to it as it's this weird mix of bits and pieces of marxism, post modernism etc. There's really no all encompassing label and the ideology has been setup with all this circular reasoning and kafkatraps with zero factual data to back any of it up. The third "Trojan Horse" video (the set of 3) I listed above has a pretty good outline of some of it. I would agree that a very small part of Trump was a result of it. But that was really buried in the overwhelming desire to have someone speak for and work for regular people while "sticking" it to the establishment. I would not agree that it's solidifying the left but instead has been growing the far/regressive left. Most on the left don't have a clue what it's all about other than it sort of sounds good. But as they learn more about it, they end up distancing themselves from it. Whether it's too late or not is hard to say. The bigger danger is if there was a populist politician on the left ala Trump that would embrace and run with it. In a lot of ways it's a good thing it looks like it will be Biden for now at least. Course the George Floyd thing hasn't helped. It's made a shit ton of white people run out to buy that moronic book White Fragility and they'll think it's a good book. Hopefully some of the scathing take downs of that book will also get more exposure but I doubt it. Overall though, I think we're both in agreement that it's a very bad thing and is a major danger to the future of western civilization. It's the sort of thing that can lead to millions dead either at the hands of the far left, or if the backlash is strong and it brings the far right into more power then at their hands. Either way, we all need to call it out for what it is and attempt in some way to dismantle it. |
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For anyone that actually wants to get a feeling for what's really going on, here's a few videos. 3 years ago evergreen college "imploded". This is a very long sequence of videos but what happened there 3 years ago is what we see going on out in the streets right now. This is what they're being taught in school for decades now and those people are now the ones working for the big corporations and are pushing those agendas. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRdayXEOwuMG9DG66Bvx6YbUnhw-buS5KA decent series on some of the stuff going on https://youtu.be/YDFL3xwEEG8https://youtu.be/7QKDm10S8Ashttps://youtu.be/IKpU6lyZKwsThis guy was part of a group that submitted some "fake" papers for peer review to other academics. The results was shocking. At least one was approved I think but they were "discovered" before all of them could go through the process. One of the papers took part of hitlers mein kampf and simply changed some the words around so it was about trans being oppressed and the comments they got back on it were favorable. https://youtu.be/rSHL-rSMIroThese guys are interesting to watch and one of them signed the letter. https://youtu.be/GfsH3AaoqYMThe "censoring" that's going on is just the symptom of what's really happening out there. |
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if your banned from youtube.. oh well go find another platform.
your freedom to speak has not been revoked. just privilege of others to hear you has
Superficial view of what's really going on. This "cancelling" is being taught in elementary schools, universities; it's permeating everything all the way up to the corporations and even science. Western society is being ripped apart and the "side" that's doing it wants to silence everyone that doesn't see the world through their ideology. I watched a video of an "academic" trying to explain how math is racist. And as we're seeing, if you don't agree with all things racist (and it's not just that issue either), you get silenced. You lose your job if you speak out and disagree. You can't publish papers and on and on it goes. Seriously, go educate yourself on what's really going on instead of seeing this as just a social media issue. The people that are pushing all of this have made it crystal clear they want to tear down society as it is and rebuild it into something else. This issue is all encompassing and people like you are still blind to it all. |
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https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/I know of a few of the people that signed on as I've been listening to their yt videos on this topic for awhile now. That list could have been a hell of a lot longer so will be interesting to see if others step out from the shadows and add their voice to the message in some other ways. This is a real issue that affects everyone on both sides of the political spectrum and it needs voices from both sides to speak out and stop burying their heads in the sand. This isn't just a US issue either. It's all western nations and it's pervaded every aspect of our societies.
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Trump is going to win
If he doesn't get his head out of his ass, he's going to lose purely due to his own stupidity. Right now he's doing what Clinton did. He won on the message of jobs jobs jobs. Right now the only thing anyone cares about is Covid and jobs and instead of focusing on that message, he's talking about things most people don't care that much about, just like Clinton did. |
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A couple times in the past Trump would have something coming out like a book or whatever, and he would get the press to push it by saying how he was considering running for President.
Kanye just released a single and announced a new album. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what he's really doing.
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As for the vagueness, what exactly is vague about it. Run two guys that work as a partnership that would theoretically govern more from the center and that aren't beholden to the political parties.
Well, for one - who are the "guys"? Someone posted in the Kanye thread that the deadline for independent candidates to file for November ballot has passed in a few states. I can't be bothered to check but that sounds about right (I know Michigan deadline is mid-July and you need 30k signatures from different congressional districts). So this effort sounds even more retarded than Kanye's announcement since we don't even know who the supposed candidates would be and can't practice writing their names. Who it will be hasn't been determined. It would take you 4 months to practice writing a name? Really? That's your big issue? I figured it would be too late for this sort of thing as the masses just wouldn't be able to get on board quick enough. Having said that, there's a lot of people on the left that don't want to vote for Biden, especially the younger voters so it could take off. Regardless, there's some people trying to do something different. Something that could change things at least in some small way. But if you're happy with the options and the status quo, then by all means don't bother looking into it more. I'm not here to hold anyone's hand but to let people know there's potentially another option besides Trump, Biden, not voting, writing in someone not even writing etc etc. |
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The comment thread looks and feels fake.
What is it about it that looks "fake"? When he first "announced" this idea on Joe Rogan, he through out Yang and another guy as potential candidates. A lot of the "Yang Gang" is apparently on board with the idea and have been promoting it from what I've seen. I don't know a lot about Yang other than the UBI thing and I don't know who the other guy is that he brought up for the "right" other than apparently he was/is military or something. Wait, so I can't opinionate? Sure I can elaborate. The extent of vagueness in the "proposal" is matched only by the extent of positive comments. For WHAT, EXACTLY? But without thinking or critical examination, Orange Man = Bad, right? Here's another comment for you. Fuck that. You insecure or something? I didn't say anything about whether or not you can express your opinion. I simply asked what you thought was fake about them. What made you suddenly jump to "orange man bad"? You seriously need to step out of your bubble sometimes. The people behind the idea and that are supporting it are of the feeling that both old fools are bad. As for the vagueness, what exactly is vague about it. Run two guys that work as a partnership that would theoretically govern more from the center and that aren't beholden to the political parties. |
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The comment thread looks and feels fake.
What is it about it that looks "fake"? When he first "announced" this idea on Joe Rogan, he through out Yang and another guy as potential candidates. A lot of the "Yang Gang" is apparently on board with the idea and have been promoting it from what I've seen. I don't know a lot about Yang other than the UBI thing and I don't know who the other guy is that he brought up for the "right" other than apparently he was/is military or something. |
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If anything we are more responsible for ending slavery than any other nation
You seriously need a history lesson on that one. |
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You can attempt to "try again" all you want by once again attempting to frame the issue in a way so you can "win". But you're willfully ignoring the bigger philosophical issues and the impact of all of this on society. The fact that you won't even engage on that front tells me you're happy with corporations via activist groups telling you what to believe and what's right and wrong.
Amazon is refusing to publish books or at least I've heard of one recently. Social media "censoring" content. If you can't see the direction all of this is going then you've got your head buried in the sand.
Nice dance moves. Amazon has the right to not publish whatever the fuck they want. I don't think you actually understand what "freedom of speech" means. You're really just a simpleton aren't you, incapable of looking at the higher level issues with all this. You probably think this is all right wing whining. So here. Here's some others talking about the same broader issue although they're focused more on FB in this video. https://youtu.be/EQICXcPBG8cFar smarter people than you and me are raising alarm bells about the control mega corporations have over open discourse which is what shapes peoples views on things. |
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We're getting quite off-topic, so Imma bring it back on topic. I was simply pointing out that there is stuff out there and a huge part of the population that don't think they're superior mentally to everyone else would have wondered the exact same thing.
 Thank you. Given the level of your interactions I'm just going to stick you into the pile of keyboard warriors who live in their basement. You have good company in there with Techshare. Guess I shouldn't be surprised given how much you two jerk each other off. |
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OK, so show me where in the constitution or any legal code for that matter that says people have a right to social media.
I thought you were smarter than that. Apparently not though. I love it when people throw out things like the constitution or laws etc as a means to refute some argument. It's a worthless standpoint since that is driven by society as a whole and what they want, the rights they want etc. Try again. Oh wait, nevermind, I seem to remember you think you have rights by virtue of just being born. instead of just comparing people you don't like to Nazis.
Where did I say that? Please do show me. Or maybe that's just your way of shoving what I'm saying off into a corner cause you don't like it. Bravo. OK let's try this again. You said the fact that there is no right to social media was bullshit. So I'm asking you to please educate me where the law says there is a right to social media. Don't dance around. Just produce an argument that affirms your statement. It shouldn't be that hard if you are right. That's always the excuse given by those that are at least secretly happy with the "book burning". Social media has become the new "town center". The sooner everyone realizes that, the sooner things can be put in place that take that into account for the benefit of everyone.
Seeing as how social media wasn't even around the last time there were major book burnings (Nazi Germany), I have to wonder what the fuck are you actually talking about. "Secretly happy with the book burning?" What book burning? Where? You're equating videos hosted by YouTube being taken off YouTube with someone's books being forcibly confiscated and then burned. This is a bit retarded of a comparison. Stefan Molyneux does have books but you're a fucking idiot if you actually think I want them burned. You can attempt to "try again" all you want by once again attempting to frame the issue in a way so you can "win". But you're willfully ignoring the bigger philosophical issues and the impact of all of this on society. The fact that you won't even engage on that front tells me you're happy with corporations via activist groups telling you what to believe and what's right and wrong. Amazon is refusing to publish books or at least I've heard of one recently. Social media "censoring" content. If you can't see the direction all of this is going then you've got your head buried in the sand. |
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