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41  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The real winning of gambling is withdrawals on: June 12, 2024, 05:22:54 PM
Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets. The only time I can say I have won is when I make withdrawals and possibly use the money for something else. As long as the money is still in the platform, there is a high chance of using it to gamble more. I decided to create this topic to see how other people manage their winning in gambling. If I notice a better approach, I will switch immediately as I don't want to continue experiencing the pain of winning and later losing the money again.
Regrets do always come at the end and this is something which is really that very usual, if you are someone who cant really be able to control yourself then you would really be still ending up on the same situation on which you would really be losing it all. Its true that the true winners are to those people who do really be able to get out and able to make withdrawals because at the moment that you would be still losing those winnings back into the casino then you would really be still considered to be a loser on which this is something that you should really be thinking about in the first place.
It all matters about on someones preference because there are ones who do it in purpose on which losing it all on such session just trying out to enjoy the game because non all would really be
having on the same insights and approach towards gambling.
42  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you gamble because you don't have sufficient money? on: June 11, 2024, 08:42:06 PM
I was in argument with someone. His view is that people who gamble are those that what they have is not sufficient for them and so they try to make more money from gambling. He said if you have sufficient money to take care of your needs that you won't think of gambling. He made reference to some rich people, who don't gamble because they have sufficient money to even gift to charity but that those rich who still gamble are only addicted to it not just because of the money. Therefore, that the percentage of the rich gambling is very small compared to those in middle class and lower class.

So my question is, is the percentage of the rich gambling lower than the middle and lower class?

It depends how you look at it really and there is a pretty huge spectrum to cover. Those who have little money will either be a problem gambler spending all their spare funds or someone that is just doing it for a bit of social fun, not expecting a big win realistically - just hopeful. The same goes for the rich, who can get caught up in the same psychological and addictive behaviors, they just have a much longer trajectory until they fail. Sometimes it doesn't even take long for the rich to become poor as they are liable to just drop down bigger number bets than others. Gambling when you have little money is going to make you even more depressed when it inevitably fails.
There would be no sense that you would really be thriving on having that dealing up with gambling just because you dont have that enough money? There's no sense in regarding into that aspect.
This is why it would really be best that you should really be knowing on what are the things that you are really that dealing with because in speaking about gambling then we do know that this is really just that for the sake of entertainment and not something that you could really be that rely into it in regarding about making money because winning is really just that a bonus and not something
that you could really be making it as your main source of income. People are really just that delusional into the things that they are really that dealing with and this is the main reason on why
they do really end up on messing up their lives because of such approach.
43  Other / Off-topic / Re: You can not win if you do not risk on: June 11, 2024, 07:41:45 PM
I just have a few things to contribute on this more,  life is just a matter of risk and you can never succeed in anything you do if you do not put risk on it that. we thought it’s not a risk it definitely is because even the time you are putting on this or whatever you’re doing it is a risk so that is just the thing to me. It’s not easy you have to challenge yourself to get something right or you have to allow it to cost you something that is the way of life.
You are absolutely right because most people's end up regretting today due to too much fear, however I think is always necessary for us to take risk in some satin things to avoid being regret tomorrow because I often see people's that normally end up regretting at last that why did they not do this things in the earlier stage, although instead of one to keep on regretting on something is better for you take risk because for you to succeed in life you must take risk.
You should really be able to know on how to distinguish in between real investment and leisure thing because we could really be able to make up some consideration in speaking about
making money with investment or business and same goes with gambling but we do know that the odds or chances would really be that entirely different to each other.
This is why at the moment that you've been able to deal up with things and if you are someone whose really that delusional then you would consider out gambling to be a good choice or option.

It would really be just that a normal thing that taking up no risks wouldnt be leading you nowhere but in the sense that you are dealing up with gambling
then it would really be crucial that you should really be conservative on putting up that risks or simply that moderation would be always the key.
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46  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Online gambling increases computer education. on: June 04, 2024, 04:05:48 PM
Each time I visit some physical betting shop in my country, I usually observe how some elderly people make use of computers. I live in a country where most people 55 years and above don't have basic computer education. Many of them cannot use the mouse, keyboard, or other parts of the computer. This might be because most of them have not been exposed to computer education.

However, the introduction of online betting has forced most gamblers in my country to learn how to use the computer. It is now common to see some elderly people using the mouse and keyboard effectively. Most of them have never attended any computer education class but learned through observation. Others might have gone through some level of training from family or friends. I am sure many of them wouldn't have learned anything about the computer if not for online gambling. What are your thoughts?
Even if we dont speak about gambling on which teaching up basic computer operation isnt something that wouldnt really that hard even if it would really be explained into some elderly.
In todays technology then it cant really be avoided sometimes that those old people would really be needing up to adapt into the new things that they havent been get used to.
Of course they would really be sticking into the things on which they do know but if they have to do something just to continue into the things that they are really into like
in gambling but doesnt have that kind of strength to go into physical places then you would really be definitely be having that kind of consideration on learning up the new things
on which to learn up things online.
47  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Did gambling losses are traps to new game on: June 04, 2024, 02:48:21 PM

Otherwise, losing more money is one of your considerations as you do it but I guess no one wants to lose forever and the cycle repeats back if you can't notice it.
All gamblers know about the 2 things you mentioned above, but unfortunately they don't prepare anticipatory steps to avoid gambling addiction, they are emotionally affected in gambling sessions because they don't get the expected wins. This defeat will have an impact on one of the factors above, they bet to recover their losses or they continue to gamble just for fun without setting a financial limit for gambling.
Losses can trigger a gambler to play again to recover what he lost with a high hopes to win. This mindset of a gambler who's unable to accept the result is not actually unusual since many gamblers are doing this believing it is the way to get their money back. One of the problem of gamblers who engage themselves in gambling not knowing the risk. Because if you know how gambling works and afraid to lose your money, then you'll not use a fund that you can't live without. Learn to control yourself by setting a limit if you don't want to face a serious problem due to your behavior towards gambling.
Of course we are just humans on which you would really be having that kind of trigger that you could really be able to make deposit because the main thing that you do have in mind is to chase up those loses or would really be that tending to chase those winnings and this is something that give out that kind of desperation. This is why it would really be best that control and moderation would really be they key. It isnt really that a trap if you are really just that having that discipline because you would really be considering it to be one on the moment that you would be finding yourself
that spending up too much because you have lost your control on playing gambling on which this is something that could bring out that huge disaster into your finances.
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49  Economy / Gambling / Re: QuitGamble.com - Free Help for Problem Gamblers on: June 03, 2024, 09:57:37 PM
This is the first time I noticed this topic and I found it really interesting.

Although it may seem to some that this app is not of great importance on the basis that dealing with gambling problems can be done in specialized centers with the help of experts specialized in this field, I see the importance of this application for users in countries that do not have specialized treatment centers.
In my country, for example, there are a few addiction treatment centers that provide their services at a very high cost that does not fit everyone’s budgets, compared to treatment departments in public hospitals that do not provide good quality services, and the doctor is required to inform the authorities of any of the cases he deals with, which is what It completely contradicts the principle of privacy, so no one visits them.
Yes, its there and could really be something relevant but in overall these apps or whatever that correlates about gambling quitting or stopping will really be that useless if the said gambler wont really be having no plans on stopping at all.  Cool When it comes on quitting on gambling then this is something that wont really be that having any thing that could help out but only yourself.
This is why it would really be better that you should really know and be wary on the things that you are dealing with. If you do know the risks and possible circumstances that you might be able to experience then you would really be that definitely be avoiding yourself into possible trouble on which this is something which is really that recommended.
50  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you think gambling every day is better? on: June 03, 2024, 08:34:13 PM
Gambling everyday is a way of keeping yourself in debth.Do you know what being in depth means? So many person won't know,but the period I was gambling everyday,I really felt the heat because there is no day you will have money,I mean it dries everything in your pocket.The little money you have in your account,you will use it to gamble,and that's all you keep doing everyday until you eventually realises yourself and change for good.
I hate gambling everyday now,I gamble only on football,but I don't gamble everyday.

but you know that their are set of people that gamble everyday and their incomes are much more better then does that gambles twice in a week. Why I say this it's because I've seen someone who gambles every blessed day of his life and his not lacking at all. You know gambling it's all about risk and losses but if you go for the risk every day you'll surely get something towards it, but if you go towards the losses you'll get scared of gambling. But this set of people that gamble everyday they see gambling as a means of earning money for the day, because their monthly incomes isn't enough for them but better still you'll surely run dry sometimes because you won't have the luck every day. Even if is a game of luck but it's more loss then winning. As gambling and the addicted ones can't stay a day without gambling cause it's helps them sometime and it doesn't help sometimes also.
On the moment that you do consider out gambling as your source of income then sooner or later you would really be able to taste up that miserable life you are about to experience.
Gambling is never been that an alternative or a solution if you dont have that income because instead on making yourself having that kind of solution. You would rather find yourself on a tough
situation just because of too much loses and this is something that you should really be avoiding in the first place. This is why it would really be best that you should really be that doing gambling for
fun and never ever make yourself that being delusional because people do mess up their lives at the moment that they are going for those things which arent that something realistic or possible.

You can gambling on everyday as long your money would be that sufficient but of course you should be only spending on the amount that you can afford to lose
and never make yourself that go beyond your limits.
51  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you stake it all put of over confidence in your club on: June 02, 2024, 09:59:20 PM
Yes I have realized that so many persons are so much confident on the match they have already stake, they always believe that they will win and sometimes it turns out the best for them, it really happens and they do take the action of taking all the risk to wait even some do see cash out in their game and they will because of the faith they have with the club and the energy they put into the club and they always make sure it turns out for good, sometimes it is really good to work with your mind and don’t put hope in other people.
Yes some persons are very confident when they make stakes or place bets. However the fact is that as long as it's gambling there is always a chance of winning or losing and that now depends on the things like the gambler's ability to analyze, his level of experience and even. How much luck he has on his side . I have come across some gamblers that can't bet against their team. They will rather wait for the time the feel their team will win before they place a bet rather than them to bet that their team will lose a bet.
The fact is that every gambler has their individual principles and level of discipline they put in concerning gambling activities. I t should not be much of a big deal as long as the gambler is not doing things that could drive him into addiction.
Sticking with your club or not, chance of losing would really be there. Sometimes there are really that bettors who are really that attaching their emotions and this is why they would really be that ending up on betting into their favorites despite of that disadvantage because they are really that wanting on doing so. Well, its not bad to choose up on what you do like but when it comes to gambling then
analysis and knowledge would really be always relevant. If you are willing to lose up money without minding it as long you do bet with your favorite club then it would really be your choice but if you are really that aiming for making profits or wanting to have money then you should really be wise on taking up a bet which is really that according into your analysis.
52  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you feel when you experience violence while gambling on: June 02, 2024, 08:55:56 PM
This is one of the thing that I usually avoid in gambling. It happens several times if you are in gambling house, you can experience a lot of fight and misunderstanding just because of the gambling or one or two issues that comes out from other gamblers. Maybe they are not understanding that serve just like what you explain, so sometimes we need to be careful very well

Sometimes you can't avoid violence. Some people are like that, especially when they get drunk and the only thing you can do is learn how to deal with it. Don't think you can avoid it. You either go out and face it, or you stay at home cuddling your teddy bear and talking to people using your phone and computer.
You mix money, adrenaline and alcohol and you'll get a bomb, so better learn how to fight or run fast Wink
The worst thing is when gambling is mixed with alcohol users, they are very sensitive and will act violently towards other owners when they don't accept their gambling losses, this is what I don't like about physical casinos because of actions that harm other gamblers. Physical casino services should be enhanced by providing security guarantees to other gamblers, so they should forcefully kick out drunk gamblers
 carry out violence without any consideration.
At the moment i have seen someone whose under the influence of alcohol or someone whose really that drunk then i do make myself that being observant on which there would really be always that high possibility that there would really be some possible trouble on which this could really be only happening on physical places and not online ones on which its common sense.

The moment that you are really that under the influence of alcohol then those emotions of yours arent really something that could really be able to control. For ones who do have dealing up with gambling and been that losing too much then of course it would really be creating that kind of commotion on which this is highly probable into those offline casinos.
But well it would really be impossible that there would be no securities out there into the vicinity. So this might not really that much of an issue but the probabilities for it to happen
is always there.
53  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling bad to the society? on: May 31, 2024, 09:25:16 PM
As what the title is asking, I think it is not unless people will become irresponsible with it. The only downside with gambling it ads being rampant and descriminately being posted online which will then influence minors to jump-in in the hope of making money out of it which is quite common especially in third world countries like mine.
In general, gambling is still viewed as a bad thing by society, so to be honest, its impact is also bad for society. Therefore, every country that legalizes gambling will make clear regulations to strictly regulate gambling activities, so as to minimize friction between groups who like to gamble and those who don't. This is a fact that happens, and I think everyone can judge it objectively, in many circles gambling activities are still considered a bad thing. One reason is that not all gamblers can gamble responsibly, in many cases many gamblers act outside the bounds.

Meanwhile, regarding gambling advertising through various social media platforms, it is very disturbing, because it can be reached by children and they could be exposed to it prematurely. Even in countries where gambling is considered illegal, there are lots of gambling advertisements circulating on social media, in this case the government needs to take action. If government regulations are strict, gambling can become an important part of increasing state revenue through tax collections, but there are always two sides, namely good and bad, and each individual must have their own perception.
It is really that a common view towards gambling and its not new anymore. This is why some people would really be hiding themselves at the shadows at the moment that they would really be dealing with gambling because it is really that highly frowned upon on the community. At the moment that you would be finding yourself that been seen by someone that you are doing gambling then
you are considered to be an addicted gambler on which it would really be that equalled into those gamblers who had destroyed their lives just because of too much gambling.
They would be seeing you negatively and its not really that new anymore. In todays technology and accessibility then people could play gambling without being known since
everything could really be done online then there's no way that you could be seen that you are playing gambling.
54  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How many times all-in save your bankroll? on: May 31, 2024, 08:56:10 PM
I have such situations when I lose control during a gambling session because of emotions and make an all-in bet. It definitely happens that I am lucky and can win back some money, but judging by my observations in most cases such bets lose.

In general, it seems to me that this strategy is very similar to the situation when a gambler trying to win back yesterday's loss, and as we all know to do it very rarely. In my opinion, it is better to stick to your strategy and do not give in to your emotions at such times.
All of gamblers did really be able to experience up such condition on which at the moment that they are really that on such situation that on the moment that we do lost up our patience or simply getting angry or snapped out then for sure we would really be having those kind of all in bets on which this isn't something that shocking thing.

On the question on how many times have save me up on losing all my bankroll.? I cant able to count it but there are indeed times that i did save me on busting all my account balance.
but still in the end of the day you have still lose it all and this is the common condition on where gamblers do really end up.

All in thing is never been that ideal or something recommended on the moment that you are dealing with gambling because it would really be that making you desperate
because you would be making that deposit because you would be chasing up your loses.
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57  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who's winning more casinos or gamblers? on: May 30, 2024, 08:34:53 PM
So the casino remains the biggest beneficiary, right? It is obvious frennn the casino is winning big more than any player hahahha so if you ask Who's winning more casinos or gamblers? the answer is clear the casino or the owner of gambling site is the real winner here, tho I already discussed this in another thread and I would to say in here. Casino is basically a business so you know when something called business the owner always want a profit and this is ain't charity maybe we see people won a jackpot but at the end of the day they might still made a pile of cash.

Gambler with huge luck maybe also the winner too hahaha
House do always win at the end and this is why we do see every now and then with those platforms keeps on launching which we could see here on crypto space.
For physical places then sure it is that there are ones which are created on which we know basing up on statistics where gambling revenue increases year by year on which simply
shows that there's really that strong demand or simply there are tons of people who do keep on losing against these casino owners on which this is really just that understandable.
There are ones who are really believing that they could really be able to beat up the house on which this is a wrong mindset. Although there would really be those gamblers who were lucky
enough that they could really be able to win up but of course it will really be not that just that on a common scenario.
58  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction does more harm than mere financial loss on: May 30, 2024, 07:09:40 PM
Well, gambling is a risky game and the addiction is quite very risky for anybody who doesn't comprehend the need of staying responsible while gambling. The effects of gambling addiction is always bad. I've never seen a story of an addict who didn't suffer and also instigate suffering on other people whom he loves. The healing journey is quite a long one because the gambler after regaining his consciousness will regret his actions.

Though he didn't do all that by himself, but it's safe to say that addiction come with trauma for both the gambler and his family. The losses are very much better than losing mere money. Recollecting on the sad memories caused by addiction to a family happens to be a steady occurrence. And most people don't always get over it, as the pains keeps hurting them even when the player is now healed of his problem. This things should be a nice reason why gamblers must be careful about their gambling habit not to fall victim to addiction.

It is because of this that we must never allow ourselves to reach that point, because even if at some point the addicted was able to overcome their issues and remain clean for the rest of their life, the truth is that it will take them a massive amount of effort to get back to where they were economically and in their interpersonal relationships, so just save yourself the trouble and if at some point you notice signs that may make you think you have some problems with your gambling, then take the necessary steps so you do not go further down that road.
On the moment that you've decided to deal up with gambling then the first thing that you should set into your mind is that never ever make yourself that getting addicted with it, because at the moment that you would really be finding that being addicted towards it then this is where problem would really be starting to show up and this is something that you would really be needing up to consider because getting out of it would really be that so hard because not all would really be that good when it comes to self control and stopping it midway. This is why it would really be that best that you should really be that wary of the actions that you are making rather than on making yourself delusional on getting rich.  Grin
59  Other / Off-topic / Re: How much of my salary should I use to gamble on: May 28, 2024, 09:27:33 PM
If you can do it, don't use any of that to gamble, most cases that you can do this is if you've got a side hustle where you can easily supplement your gambling habits since you've got an extra income. If you're not that person that I'm talking about, you probably shouldn't portion your salary to satisfy your gambling needs, most of the time, you're going to end up with nothing and that money that you will allocate will definitely be not enough for the gambling session. If you're the kind of person that's got a salary that's on the 5 or 6 digit territory already, you're probably good with a 10% of that being used for gambling if you really can't help it.

The thing is that most gamblers would be better off if they simply saved (or even better, invested) their side hustle income instead of using that extra money for gambling.

But I guess the thing that is different is that they are buying some kind of "hope" to become rich, which won't happen if they simply save or invest the money.

Ironically, over time, they might get wealthier if they don't gamble.
That's the dream but you're talking about people that wants to gamble here which means that the only thing that you can do in that situation is to give what they want you to say which just so happens to be the budgeting in their gambling habit, in that kind of situation, you'd probably be better off just telling them what they want to hear since there's no way that they'd listen to you anyway. I guess you could say that, they're hoping that their bet could be the one that would change their life forever but the math is there to tell them that that's not how things work.
Actually with this kind of question about on how much you should spend on gambling then its something that doesnt need up for you to hear out others sentiment or comment.
You are the ones who would really be finding out whether you would really be making too much spending or you are really just that on the right track. People wont really be making out
those realizations that they had spending up that much not on the moment that they are still on good condition but on the moment that they had past with those limits then
this is the moment that they would really be trying out to notice up that they had done too much on which this is the usual case.

5-10% of your salary i should say that it would really be that too much but well we do have our own way of spending on things. The only thing that you do need to consider
is that you wont really be making yourself that go past beyond on your budget. Limit would be the key but people often fails on this one.
60  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Memecoin Gambling verses Normal Gambling - which is more profitable? on: May 28, 2024, 07:20:21 PM
I'm totally case 2, which means that I've never owned any meme coins and I'm not planning to get into these shitcoins. If someone gave them to me for free, I'd probably gamble them away, or exchange them for bitcoin.
I'm not going to buy any of them because most trade on exchanges that I don't trust or you can get them through custodial wallets that I don't use, but suppose I happened to own them, I'd rather use them to gamble than hold since they can literally go to 0, unlike bitcoin.
but that is something not good , even if its been given for you for free? you should gamble if away and trade into bitcoin but for me? i believe that its best to keep them on hold specially if that memecoin has potential and not a scam project though its normal to see scam memecoin nowdays so we must be very careful in dealing and may use them for gambling instead.
There are really people who will value the thing that have been given to them, no matter what it is. They think it was special. If ever we don't, then trading it into Bitcoin is much better than gambling it. If only between hodling a meme coin and gambling, I will choose gambling this time because meme coins are not built for holding. You already said that there are so many scams nowadays.

Even if we lose in gambling, it's fine because at least we still have fun but if we lose in hodling a meme coin, the only thing that we can get is regret. We can earn quick in short selling a meme coin but the profits we get in gambling are still instant.
Risks factors would really be that entirely different to each other on which there would really be those people who would really be treating up on trading to be that completely that a gamble just because they've been dealing up with something which is really that volatile or simply talking about memecoins. At the moment you do find yourself on dealing up with meme coins then it is really that indeed true t hat you would really be facing up something in terms of risks but of course risks levels would really be that entirely difference because if we do speak about gambling the you would really be just hat basically putting up yourself on literally with gambling games and if its really that talking about casinos then extreme luck you would be needing and chances of winning is really that slim.
Whereas you could be able to make out that kind of selection at the moment you do play or bet with those strategic ones.
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