We advanced on that lazy American capacitator and crushed it like a fleeing rat. Now that the board that we have made has seen the mighty will of Hashfast, the capacitators on the other two, I mean, 600 boards have surrendered. Victory is ours.

There are 563 BJs in the order chain (some converted to Sierras), plus a few dev and freebie machines, and at least 7 people with Batch 1 orders to be filled if there are enough leftover chips.  That suggests about 600 miniboards, but I don't really know.

PS: BJ was USD $5600 + shipping.

I think they might.  They'll have to pay some Canadians overtime, but you can ship out of YMQ on the 26th or 27th, maybe even the 28th, and still make it to most of their customers, I imagine - at least North America and most of Europe.  Although I worry it'll be the worst of both worlds:  broken equipment, too late.

As to what happens if they miss December 31st, if there are enough refund requests, especially with legal backing (and this appears to be the case), and they don't have the coins/cash to refund, then I suppose they file for bankruptcy and/or sell themselves, or part of themselves, to somebody who wants the tech and can take on help with the liabilities.

Or they sweeten the MPP so much that they defuse the situation with enough customers that they can wiggle out by refunding some and placating others with promises of future hashpower.

Ice is presently unavailable, as he is seeking asylum in an undisclosed, small and backwards African country, in order to avoid the pitchfork-wielding mob of Icedrill investors seeking to tear him from limb to limb.

Maybe John will send us all a lifetime subscription to animalfisting.com or heavybenders.org and we can just accept that as compensation. Your San Francisco Santa is on his way...

PS:  If Batch 1 BJ's ship and work, and Hashfast doesn't crumble into dust, I may be in the market for a couple of upgrade boards.  Payment in USD. Amount TBD based on date of availability.

An attitude which recently has been 100% cocky and 0% contrite.

Hmm... so nothing more on the mystery of Amy's comment about 400 BJ's being produced?

Do people think that:

a) they will definitely miss delivery on the later orders for BJ's (machines 400-563) because, for some reason, they don't have the boards/chips (this would include my order)

-or-

b) it's some confusion generated by the fact that at least some BJ orders were converted into Sierras

-or-

c) maybe the 200 bj's ordered by "bet on ice" moron (quiet lately, isn't he?) are being provided to him in some other form (boards?), leaving about 400 machines for freebies/development plus paid customers?

-or-

d) something else entirely?

The reason why we keep coming back to the same discussions is that each time Hashfast said something clearly, there's at least one instance, usually more, where they contradicted the apparently canonical statement. 

This is a predictable result of Hashfast's marketing plan.  From the beginning the strategy was obfuscation.  Generate confusion about delivery dates and refunds through parsed and contradictory statements, selective silences.

In retrospect, the pattern is clear.  I think it will be clear to others too, on calm, cool argumentation.

The thing is that Hashfast actually still has time to do a whole lot to rectify the situation, depending on how they play their cards.  Yeah, they could decide to take D&T's option of assuaging their pained consciences with a sports car, hookers, and blow.  Or they could try to come out of this with reputations more or less intact and make a play to stay alive in the longer term.

Well that settles that.  They clearly stated that they expected to ship in October yet, as we know now, Hashfast never had any ability or serious intent to do so. That's called fraud.

It's unclear, but it appears to me that people with multiple BJs on order (3 or more?) can be shipped as Sierras, whereas people with one BJ (and maybe two?) are not being offered upgrades.

In my case, I'll have 6 boards (eventually) to deal with. I suppose that I could handle 3 BJ cases rather than 2 Sierra cases, although like most people I'd prefer the latter.  

Price point of the extra hardware will be important.  If they try to gouge for the ancillary hardware, it'll piss me off even more.  Yeah, I know, you can build your own and I might do that, but I'd prefer to have the system constructed as intended.

I was saying this months ago, that BJ orders should ship in Sierra cases, and the loudmouth 'techsperts' in this thread were extremely dismissive.  "Go out and buy your own components, I just want chips" and crap like that was the response.  Idiots.

But Hashfast has said that they will have their preferred case/components available for purchase when the MPP boards become available.  It's in this thread, somewhere back there.

Still curious about that 400 number.  Why 400? 

My order is later too.

And a manual.  That would be nice.

Keep digging, there, buddy.  

When companies swindle their customers with fraudulent statements about their products, it's a bad thing that's both unethical and legally actionable.

Mister Smiley Face, Inaba_HF, we all know that Hashfast can't just come out and say that it defrauded customers by repeatedly indicating a delivery date that it knew it could not meet, that would make Cedivad's lawyer's job too easy; but that simple fact is now apparent to all, and that is why we're expecting a more contrite attitude and, most importantly, actions by the company to rectify the damage incurred.

Groan.  Hashfast_CL sounds like he needs an ass-whuppin' to achieve his needed attitude adjustment.

Well, now that it's pretty clear to a lot of people that October was a fraudulent claim, Hashfast is going to *have* to do something to fix the situation with Batch 1 customers, if they know what's good for them.  

They haven't angered a crowd of acne-ridden 16 year olds with Asperger's, they've pissed off customers that include a number of capable and determined people.  The "BFL model" is not going to work for them. In this case, the ripped off seem likely to much more seriously fight back.  

No, they are not Canadian. The contract assembly house is in Montreal, though.

Intentional or not, I think the stock analogy is appropriate.  Keeping my head out of the TOS and MPP weeds, that's kind of the way I look at it, and maybe HF should too.

If the coffee mugs were worth a damn, then they wouldn't be drinking out of a styrofoam cup. Please tell me we won't be paying to air freight coffee mugs ala BFL.

True that if there is bad news, we can expect it late on the 24th, California time.  Hashfast aren't PR geniuses, but they are smart enough to know how to avoid a news cycle.

My intuition says that they know that the boards more-or-less work and that now, buoyed by knowledge that they won't totally crash and burn in the short term, they are coming late to a 'walk softly and carry a big stick' strategy... impress us by 'underpromising' in the last teeth-gnashing couple of weeks. They are not fully aware that it's past the time to do that because their nose has been so close to it and, well, because their customer relations strategies, well, they have tended to suck.

I think they will ship in time, although I worry that the BJs will be buggy and plagued by problems with all this coming together so late.

Seems almost certain that all this talk about refunds is moot.  Hashfast will almost certainly ship the batch 1 machines out before December 31st.  

The real question is what they are going to to make their 1st batch customers whole - when it appears that 400% more hashrate, even if shipped on 31 January, won't ROI.  

A preemptive STFU to the idiots out there who are about to reply "all they committed to was 400%, can't you read the MPP?"

We know what the context of the MPP was and we have many statements from HF about the MPP and some that raise serious questions about their honesty about being "on track" for October.

Under the circumstances, HF is going to have to do more than what the letter of the MPP arguably states (note: arguably).  Or else they get a motivated batch of really pissed off people after their hides.

I think, hope that they will come up with an adequate solution to the situation such that Batch 1 investors at least recoup their investment in BTC terms.