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401  Economy / Goods / Re: (SOLD) $800 Best Buy giftcard on: September 30, 2012, 12:45:24 AM
Yup, everything as expected. As he said, the back wasn't even rubbed off. In addition Jermainé included the receipt which makes the transaction even more trustworthy. A++

Coins sent, Transaction ID: 26531a600bc01ea005d07a11dcc7bae9e5e85222167954a23bd1cb40378c44b6
402  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How safe is the first address in the standard client? on: September 29, 2012, 05:10:23 PM
Huh? I don't know what hamdi is talking about.

Encrypting the wallet encrypts all keys in it at the time, not just new ones. If it worked the way you described it would be very confusing indeed!

Well in the past I made back up of wallets that I did not encrypt.

If they were found could they take my BTC?



Yes, they can take up to the first 100 addresses because they were pregenned.

I'm considering starting over myself.
403  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Anyone using bitcoin's to pay for VPS or Hosting Services? on: September 29, 2012, 05:08:21 PM
I'm not saying I won't subscribe to services because there's no autopay service, I just know that if I do, then sometimes I'll forget to pay an sometimes I just won't be able to because I'm away.

Understood - perhaps an online wallet that offers such a feature might be the way to go (where you perhaps top up the wallet once every few months so you don't leave too much in it).


Yes, I mentioned a website in my first post. It has advantages because you don't need regular access to the net if the service is hosted. However it carries counter party risk that has plagued bitcoin start ups.

That being said, I don't feel this is a priority at all. Maybe this could be a second tool that connects via rpc. There are a lot of ways to implement it without introducing these features to any specific client.
404  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: want to buy 90 btc on: September 29, 2012, 04:15:34 PM
It seems like a scam gone wrong. Probably they didn't understand that you could lock them out of Paypal and CC when they agreed.
405  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Anyone using bitcoin's to pay for VPS or Hosting Services? on: September 29, 2012, 03:36:57 PM
While I do think this would be a nice feature (although this might be a little worrisome for security which is already such a problem) is it really a problem to click on a Bitcoin URI that comes in the periodic email bill (paying would be basically 2 mouse clicks assuming you have the client running)?

This would be fine if there was a lot of lead up time. Both my work and personal life often puts me into places where I'm completely unconnected to the internet for up to two weeks, and when I come back I don't always go through all my email immediately either. Currently, I use BillPay linked to my bank to ensure that all of my bills get paid. Another risk to the relationship here is an email provider suddenly flipping a switch and trashing these payment requests as spam.

I'm not saying I won't subscribe to services because there's no autopay service, I just know that if I do, then sometimes I'll forget to pay an sometimes I just won't be able to because I'm away.
406  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Anyone using bitcoin's to pay for VPS or Hosting Services? on: September 29, 2012, 02:58:09 PM
One client feature I would like is recurring payments. I want to subscribe to services with the ability to turn off that subscription, but I don't want to have to remember. I might even use a website wallet for this feature.
407  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The pirate and the SEC - Alleged e-mails. on: September 28, 2012, 08:35:02 PM
I'm talking about bitlane's comment regarding the problems being tied to a single entity (pirate).  The cascade effect is because people who already had exposure to pirate also lent funds to others to invest with pirate.  Those people are down two lots of money - the money which they didn't receive from pirate and the money from borrowers who invested funds with pirate and are now in default. That kind of double exposure to pirate was an insane risk to take.

My comment was a joke. AIG insured practically anyone against default on mortgages leading up to the 2008 crisis. Their inability to price the systemic risk in their mortgage default insurance was a key component in the liquidity crisis we are still facing. Every large bank had massive exposure to them in their mortgage backed securities, and AIG had no realistic way to repay what they owed before the federal government stepped in.

I just saw an interesting parallel.
408  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS]trolledhard.com on: September 28, 2012, 07:59:47 PM
I want to sell the domain trolledhard.com

let's say 2 week auction from post date, bid starts at .1 btc.

This should be moved to auctions.
409  Other / Meta / Re: Why do moderators close threads with ongoing discussion? on: September 28, 2012, 07:34:45 PM
What is the relation of the involved persons in this forum to the Bitcoin Foundation?

And what are their personal dealings with Trendon Shavers aka pirateat40?

Were they involved in the mail fraud scheme that Sonny Vleisides was indicted for?

Armchair detectives need to know.
410  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Swiss University jumps into mining game (82.130.102.160) on: September 28, 2012, 05:48:32 PM
The BitThief exploit allows someone to 'leech' from the BitTorrent network without actually contributing resources yourself.

Is it possible that they are using a similar exploit to leach block discoveries from the bitcoin network without actually doing any mining on their own?

That could explain how they are getting so much hashpower (i.e. they don't really have it).

On the question of is it possible, yes it is theoretically possible to see a block submitted to the network and then publish that block quickly from a highly connected node and it will look like it came from you. So maybe that's what they are doing here.

To be clear, though, the coins still go to the address in the generation transaction, so they can't steal your coins. It just makes it look like the block came from a different IP.

I still don't think that applies here.
411  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Circle of Trust [Game/experiment] on: September 27, 2012, 10:59:15 PM
sent 2.2602

Received.
412  Economy / Economics / Re: The Tomato Soup Index - Inflation Sucks on: September 27, 2012, 10:25:06 PM
I didn't give any numbers, and it doesn't matter if the coins are held by 1 person or 1 billion. If it is the currency of the whole economy it will still be so when the economy have doubled, and those who just sit on their money will eat up the whole increase without contributing. Those who invest will be playing a zero sum game, where they have to be very lucky or unusually good at what they do to benefit from investing.

Sorry, I thought you were Etlase2. It does matter if the coins are held by 1 person or 1 billion because the effect Etlase2 and I are talking about is how newer money released into the market gets a higher value versus the existing savings (called the Cantillon Effect). But that this is effect is similar to when one person releases savings: they get a benefit over the other people in the economy. For example, if there are 1 billion people with savings and 500 million decide to spend all their savings at once, then the value of the savings of the other 500 million will be worth less for some time.

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Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. It seems you are too upset to really talk to about this. You think it's egregious that people who have money before you can get a benefit, and I understand the principle even if I don't agree with it in practice. I personally feel that individuals get a minor advantage when they use their savings, and because this is limited in scope and it is tempered with opportunity costs, that it is not really an effect worth worrying about.

The awesome thing about my stated philosophy about what is right is that you are free to choose that monetary system that you think is best and doesn't have this effect that seems to upset you so greatly. I still think a system like bitcoin is miles better than what we have and is the best at what we've come up with.
413  Economy / Economics / Re: The Tomato Soup Index - Inflation Sucks on: September 27, 2012, 06:36:07 PM
The old man benefits because he planned for his future by saving, and also incurred years of opportunity cost by not employing his dollars in a different way, [...]
Why do you think it's right that those who don't waste their opportunities should effectively be taxed to pay for his opportunity costs?

If you want to know what I think is right, then I think it's right to allow people to choose their currency with the understanding of the pros and cons of that currency, that way when something occurs against their favor, it was ultimately their choice that lead them there, and not the use of force. I don't strictly think that Bitcoin is more right than a private bank issuing notes, but that it is a more moral situation when both exist and people can choose.

If you want to know why I think the old man situation is better when choosing a currency, this is because of the limited scope, the incentives are set up for him to not just take him money off the market or if he does, for him to reenter in stages at different value points, again limiting impact. The numbers you give look bad, but they assume a mythical person who owns half the coins and suddenly wants to get out entirely all at once. It's an extremely unplausible scenario while the Wall street bailouts have happened and continue to happen (QE3).

This is just the early adopter argument dressed up with economics equations. But I'm not jealous of early adopters, I think they took a risk where they didn't have to. They all could have all eaten BTC10,000 pizza pies, but they didn't. Worrying about them is like worrying about people who bought gold at 200 and Apple at $50. They might dump and get a large benefit in front of everyone else, but the worry of that shouldn't detract you from getting in.
414  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: When will GPU mining become unprofitable? (electricity $>BTC generated) on: September 27, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
It's hard to know without knowing your electricity rate. On top of that, we don't really know how quickly ASICs will come online. If I had to guess, though, I'd say mid-January.

Unless the exchange rate rises from here, block 209,999 is likely the last block that anyone mining with a GPU and paying normal rates for electricity (e.g., $0.15 per kWh) can mine profitably

It's hard to say. With the exchange at $12, electricity at .15, and reward at 25btc, I'm still showing a profit for most GPU setups at a difficulty of 5,000,000, and I haven't updated the GPU section of my spreadsheet in a year, so there might be better ones in terms of performance. In this case MH/J is the most important factor.

As an aside BFL FPGAs are just above 11 months ROI under that circumstance.
415  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Solo mining - Do the coins automatically go in to your 'Wallet'? on: September 27, 2012, 02:52:35 PM
How do you "put an address in that wallet in that block"?

I thought all I had to do was setup my .conf file with rpcuser, rpcpass, allowed ip's, port number and then run the client with -server

Have I been doing this wrong for the past month?

I'm not really sure since I don't self mine, but I assume it would pick an address in its wallet automatically with an option to override. I would look more into it if I were you though. I would assume you've found a block by now, so look at it under block explorer and see what happened.
416  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Solo mining - Do the coins automatically go in to your 'Wallet'? on: September 27, 2012, 07:51:25 AM
To clarify: Do they appear in your wallet as soon are they are mined?

They do go to your wallet, assuming you put an address in that wallet in that block. For example, look at the first transaction in
http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000000a4d73468e752d7eb54ac8de5c131188361a811676ecbd67228
and you'll see it specified an address as the destination for the generation of the block.

However, it's not immediate. You need to have 100 confirmations after you mine a block before the network recognizes that you own the coins, so it's going to take about 16 hours 40 minutes to show up.
417  Economy / Economics / Re: The Tomato Soup Index - Inflation Sucks on: September 27, 2012, 07:17:06 AM
How is this thematically any different from the current system?

The old man benefits because he planned for his future by saving, and also incurred years of opportunity cost by not employing his dollars in a different way, allowing him to get a limited advantage that will approach an equilibrium, versus the current system where the advantage is manufactured from thin air and awarded not based on foresight, risk management, and sacrifice, but on nepotistic cronyism employed to bail out the most egregious risk takers, creating a moral hazard that forces an continuous exponential expansion with no chance of equilibrium.

But other than that, I see how it's kind of the same.
418  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 25-09-2012: First Look at BFL's ASIC Hardware (Coding In My Sleep) on: September 27, 2012, 04:44:12 AM
This shows a simple assumption of mine is probably right.  I thought that the Jalapeno would be a single chip and the single would not be a single but a combination of Jalapeno chips.  Of course the math does not add up, I see 8 ASICS there and 8 x 3.5 does not equal 40.....  Maybe I am wrong or the Jalapeno is downclocked?

The current theory is that the chips are made and the ones that don't rate 5.0 GHps get put into the Jalapeno pile.
419  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: When will GPU mining become unprofitable? (electricity $>BTC generated) on: September 27, 2012, 04:30:03 AM
I have a 660 Ti GTX card and am trying to sell it to get a 7970. What's the low and high ball estimate for when the electricity costs surpass BTC generation (in a pool)? I already need a video card for gaming, so don't consider capital costs.

It's hard to know without knowing your electricity rate. On top of that, we don't really know how quickly ASICs will come online. If I had to guess, though, I'd say mid-January.
420  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Trendon Shavers - Family Contact made on: September 27, 2012, 04:27:31 AM
dead thread is dead?

Shit got more real than telling on Trendon to dad when the SEC started soliciting for witnesses.
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