Probably not. They'd cease providing services and I would think that would fulfill their obligation. And I really don't think any law enforcement agency is going to waste time going after an investor. In the States, they make it a habit to target the operators instead of the gamblers of online casinos. They restrict the gamblers by forcing credit card companies not to do business with internet casinos, so there's never been a reason to target individual gamblers. Much more work for a small crime than is it's worth. I don't see the fact that this is bitcoin changing that for gamblers.

Subpoena comes from a court, or from an attorney on behalf of a court in which there is an active case. Seems impossible you can get to a point where there is a subpoena power to obtain this information, because you're again talking about a civil remedy which a court will dismiss before you get to that point. Civilly, you will not be able to get this information.

But perhaps on criminal charges the authorities could pursue this, because AWS would be pretty good information about his likely identity considering he most likely paid with a credit card. I hadn't thought of this before. This would be worth following up on if you wanted the authorities to try to track him down. Still a long shot, and you would need someone to actually have the resolve to make this happen by filing a complaint.

Investors did commit a crime (technically) by investing in the site. Gamblers committed a crime by gambling on the site. These are minor crimes, but they are still crimes, which is why there is no civil remedy for you to sue to recover your funds. I don't see authorities being concerned with charging any gamblers, they'd be more concerned with going after the guy running the gambling operation.

On that side of things, the site owner committed many crimes: running an unlicensed gambling site, selling unregistered securities, and ultimately conversion (theft) of investor and gambler money.

There's basically three ways I can see to pursue this. Civil remedy (suing in court for money), administrative procedure (SEC or state regulatory agency gets involved for selling unregistered securities and conversion of investor funds), and criminal charges.

As I've already stated, civil remedy is out. You can't sue to recover funds involved in illicit activities.

On the administrative procedure front, there are several problems. One problem is you don't have an identity, and you don't have proof of a security. If this was a straight unregistered securities case, you could go to the SEC and say "This guy sold me securities, here's the written promises he made (the contract or security), my proof of ownership, and by the way he's also run off with my money." The SEC (or a state securities agency) would probably take up the case and investigate, then charge him with various securities violations and then seek a court order to disgorge his ill-gotten gains and seek to return that money to burned investors, and also slap him with a civil fine for breaking securities laws. Then they may refer the case to the State's Attorney to pursue criminal charges. BUT, without documentation and contracts and all the very basic things that accompany even an unregistered securities case, I can't fathom any regulatory agency even pretending to waste their time on this. With no identity, contract, or proof a security existed, you're basically just a guy who gave some stranger on the street some cash, and then got mad when he didn't give it back and ran away. That's likely why there's no regulatory agency that would touch this.

Finally, on the criminal side, you have that this guy ran an unlicensed casino and also stole money. Without an identity, it's hard to see cops taking this seriously. If you loaned 20 bucks to your friend and he never paid it back and you called the cops, they would tell you it's a matter for the courts. They won't arrest him, because it's a civil matter, it's for the courts to determine a loan/contract existed, that the guy didn't pay you back, and that you are entitled to the money, and they would issue an order for him to pay you back. As I've already discussed, civil remedy is out. That basically leaves running an unlicensed casino. This is probably your best bet, but again, without an identity, I don't know how seriously any law enforcement agency is going to take this.

That's not to say don't try any of these options. Just temper your expectations about how much recourse you actually have. If you had an ironclad identity, I would go to the FBI and say this guy was running an illegal bitcoin casino and he stole the money too. Of any agency, it would most likely be their jurisdiction, because they're a federal agency and the gambling laws are probably federal. With just suspicions on who the identity is, I can't see them launching an investigation into this, but I could be wrong!

And of course, my base assumption here is whoever this guy is, he was US-based. If he was foreign, this analysis is moot.

Haha, this is amazing!

He could sign a message proving ownership of the address too. But yeah, that seems fair. I was just wondering why you were departing from normal practice. I don't mine doge or ltc currently in your pool (currently only DRK), so it doesn't affect me. I just wanted to make sure you were being fair to your members who do mine doge, but if your plan is to make sure it wasn't an error and then distribute it to your miners as normal, I think that's perfectly reasonable.

Sometimes, he's mildly amusing. When the community talks about something, he googles the topic and just puts the words he finds into sentences.


I know he's a clown, the only time I've felt compelled to answer is when he posts something remotely related enough that someone might later come across it and, not knowing better, might find it credible if it goes unanswered. (The SEC thing, for example.)

Unfortunately, it seems this thread has died out though. It's been awhile since anything of consequence was posted. The only thing bumping it recently has been that sad clown shouting for attention.

I'm confused as to why you wouldn't automatically give the coins to the people who worked on the block. Don't you normally pay out fees to miners? If so, it seems it would only be fair to continue that practice. Also, how could someone claim a right to those fees that would cause you not to distribute them to the miners?

Also, can anyone explain why fees of that magnitude would be in a block? Do you think it was intentional or a mistake by someone sending? I would think intentional, as anyone with that much DOGE should have a good base of knowledge about how to send, but then I also don't know why someone would do pay a fee like that.

You're an idiot and don't know the difference between a civil suit and an administrative action by the SEC. Please direct your simple brain to your own link and read and reread it please. When you're done, ask a grown up if you need help figuring out what the difference is between a criminal complaint, a civil complaint, and an administrative action by the SEC.

By that line of reasoning, the guy who ran Silk Road wouldn't have been charged with money laundering if the government believed bitcoin was valueless. Gambling sites that are just for fun are legal because you're not staking anything of value. Bitcoin has value, even if the government refuses to call it a currency. The key factor isn't "is this a currency?" It's "does this thing have value?" That's why you have to ( well legally you are supposed to) pay taxes on the value of gifts you receive, even if they're not money. Because they have value and are "income." That's also why some EU gambling sites block US IP addresses, because they can't legally take US customers because they'd be breaking US laws. Bottom line is, these sites are definitely illegal in the US, and no court has the power to award you damages for partaking in an illegal activity.

You're talking about the IRS definition of bitcoin, which is irrelevant. Running a gambling site is illegal. It doesn't matter if it's denominated in dollars, bitcoins, or hotdogs. The site itself, taking deposits of anything, and then allowing people to gamble to win more of that item, is a gambling site. Gambling sites are illegal. Therefore a court will not reward your illegal behavior by issuing a judgment in your favor.

Courts can not enforce an illegal contract or award you damages based on illegal activity. If you're from the States and you sent money to this guy, you were involved in illegal activity, either gambling on an illegal site or investing in an illegal site. You have no legal remedy.

It seems? What are you basing it on?

The game doesn't crash if the game reaches the payout limit, it just cashes everyone out and tells you what it would have crashed at. This is not the same. If the game cashes you out because you've reached the max win, you still get your money.

You can't blame Stunna. He doesn't owe anyone anything for running his site. It's impractical, if not impossible, to vet where deposit funds come from for every player. If this was a licensed casino, he might have that obligation (for AML concerns), but pretty much everyone gambling at a bitcoin dice site is doing so because they don't WANT to be gambling at a licensed casino.

You get what you pay for, and in this case, you're paying for no regulation. If that's not part of your cost benefit analysis, you shouldn't be using bitcoin, and you certainly shouldn't be investing it somewhere with an anonymous person.

If you don't have the private keys, you don't have the bitcoins. So basically you gave them to someone with the hope they'll give them back.

Everyone needs to stop doing this, or at least do so with the knowledge that there's no recourse if you don't get them back, and don't look for sympathy.

WOW. I missed posts from yesterday and this thing just got all levels of crazy. Catching up on 4 more pages.

THIS IS BETTER THAN TV!

Has anyone actually bid on the website? As a bonus, you probably get a back door coded in for Manl to steal the coins after you buy it.

Try to file a police report. When they're done rolling their eyes, they'll tell you they don't have jurisdiction or this is a civil matter, if not because they believe it, because they don't have time to deal with a bunch of internet detectives crying over an imaginary currency they've never heard of (from their perspective).

This is basically how I would imagine the exchange to go:

Cop: So you sent him money and he didn't return it?
You: Yeah.
Cop: It's a civil matter, sue him.
You: I don't know who he is.
Cop: I guess you learned a valuable lesson then.

Oh, is there a difference between 0x and 1x crashes? I was under the impression it was the same thing and used interchangeably.

This has become all people posting addresses for withdrawals. Do we know that posting here is related to getting a withdrawal?

Is there any new information on this situation? People were referencing sources like chat boxes on certain other gambling sites that I can't keep up with, but I haven't seen anything super new here.

In re: question 1, I believe the only time a bonus is not paid to someone is if the game crashes at 0.