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4301  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETHW vs ETC mining related questions for clarity on: March 13, 2023, 07:57:51 AM
ETHW would have a chance, a tiny chance, with a competent core dev team. But given that the core dev team appears to be a bunch of scammers who were incompetent at coding it (they needed outside help/corrections) and listed a bunch of companies as supporters including us on their website without permission I believe ETHW has no chance. Sell it all asap. If it makes you more money to mine then mine it but sell don't hold.

I really wish someone competent had taken over ETH PoW.

I am staying with ETHW compared to ETC despite many people clearly favoring ETC at the moment.I think that ETC won't go as high as it was in the last bull run of 179 USD was last time around as it maximum peak.Now ETHW as you say is uncharted territory so I am mining it as I know it is a gamble but it is worth taking as it costs me about 15 dollars a month to mine 10 dollars of ETHW worth,so I don't really care for 5 dollars lost every month while in the next bull run I expect this coin to be at least 200 or more dollars.I agree that it would be nice if more projects and developers jump on this coin,this would immediately give an increase in value but as they say good things come to those who wait.
4302  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A costly gambling mistake on: March 13, 2023, 07:27:14 AM
The most popular mistake that newbies make with online casinos is avoiding the rules and regulations, not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

You have to look for the website FAQ and go through it first, I have seen some newbies that avoid doing this has they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

Some even start spreading FUD on the forum about these gambling platforms that did them wrong, not knowing that they are the ones at fault, they are guilty because they don't read the rules and regulations.

This I think,the quoted part can be read as an intimidating warning for newbies when they register in a casino,most of the casinos don't have such banner warning and as such if they start posting it,the casinos would lose new customers.It is anyone duty to read term and conditions in any website they open and account and sign up for,including casinos which have a lengthy terms and conditions to read so people do not get disappointed in the future.I agree that it is the user fault in most of the blame they put on casinos here and most of it is a consequence of not reading the terms and conditions.
4303  Economy / Gambling / Re: How succesful will AI projects be to win the house? on: March 12, 2023, 09:53:12 PM
We are seeing more and more projects that are almost 100% built on Artificial Intelligence, like ChatGPT. Here are a few experiments that are linked between ChatGPT and gambling....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDthta5sUGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3pc-47weg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYegYNkwjR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFrI6cLD0E

Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?


AI means artificial intelligence and not a sorcerer or future predictor that cannot be known before it is happening,anyone claiming to do so is either a ill minded person or a scammer.Based on this I think that there is nothing to be impacted on the casinos as they will still keep making money because AI no matter how good they will become they simply cannot predict the future for sport bets.In slot machines they have absolutely 0 impact as they are already programmed to give the casino an edge which is called the house edge and that makes sure that the casino makes profit in the long run.So AI won't have an impact on the casinos in my opinion.
4304  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Shiba Inu still worth it? on: March 12, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
I have 20 million but haven't bought any for over 6 months as I only bought at the time as I was fairly new to crypto and it was low compared to its all time high but I now understand market cap etc.

With its current market cap at $6.3b, how high can this realistically go? Is $100b possible? That would give it a 16x from current price if so which would be good.

With the release of Shibarium due this year I do think this will see the price rise but how much im not so sure?

I have also 30 million SHIBA INU but I have bought them in a set and forget move and I am only waiting for the next bull run.The next bull run will greatly increase the market capitalization for almost all the major coins and SHIBA is one of these coins because is always in the top 10 to top 20 most of the time,as such it will evaluate during the upcoming bull run.For the price if will rise this year I am not sure either but I know that if we keep and hodl the coins until at least 2025 I am sure we will see some nice increase in price as that is the maximum time I predict the next all time high will happen,at a maximum during the Q4 of the year 2025.
4305  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: March 12, 2023, 09:02:37 PM
I haven't checked the odds for the eventual winner of the CL, but those can also change enormously after next week. You also have a draw, which has a lot of influence on the odds of the eventual winner of this tournament. And as a team you just have to be lucky with the draw, something Real Madrid absolutely did not have last year, but they simply eliminated all top teams and then became champions. And they are the most successful of any team in the last 20 years. They are not among the favorites but I think they are an outsider, everyone is having a hard time against Real Madrid

From the teams that remain,only Bayern Munchen I see as a strong opponent who can eliminate Real Madrid but I would love to see a final between these two teams like in the old days several years ago,those were great games.Now if they are lucky in their draw Real and have to face Benfica for example or Chelsea for that matter or maybe Milan they will go further,if they happen to face Manchester City (which I am assuming they will qualify against Leipzig) or Bayern Munchen those are the only teams who can cause trouble to Real Madrid.I will check the odds and if Real has over 10 as an odd which I don't think they do,I am going to place a bet on them as winners of CL this season.
4306  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: March 12, 2023, 08:40:49 PM
Reims were undefeated away to Monaco as I expected and it didn't surprise me.They are really doing amazing things this year and I must say that they deserve appreciation.Their coach is doing amazing things.I don't think anyone would have expected such a performance from Reims. Reims are unbeaten in the league for 19 games and they are playing well. Monaco didn't play badly but I think the deserved winner won the match.
In the last match of the day, Marseille hosts Strasbourg.I have to say that Marseille started the match badly.I don't expect Marseille to lose this match but Strasbourg is the side that is playing well right now.

I did not pay attention to their head 2 head meetings and I just saw the odd of 1.91 for Monaco at home and immediately took it without thinking to much hoping for some easy win.In fact Monaco played very badly during the game and I have to say that during this week we have seen several surprise result so far not only in French Ligue 1 which this was the only surprise result as most other games came as expected but I am talking in the 5 major leagues in general and this was not a good week for most of the bettors.

Marseille now not being able to win against a weak team shows that they lack the capability to fight for the title and they should be happy with 2nd place,I have also a bet on them but I am not expecting them to win,they did not show anything in the first half.
4307  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: March 12, 2023, 08:25:03 PM
When Liverpool were a goal down, I was confident that they will come back. Tried $50 on double chance and what a waste! The odd for them to qualify in CL next round should go back to 1/30 or even more. One match you humiliate one of the top team and in the next match you help a team who were waiting for relegation LOL

By the way, what was the odds for double chance? Basically it was the right choice, probably if I was online I would have made a live bet on Liverpool to win after Bournemouth took the lead. If Salah had not missed from the penalty spot, then Liverpool would have been able to put the squeeze on Bournemouth.
Too lazy to look for the bet slip but it was something 1.56 when I get it.

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In general, I liked the joke about the fact that Liverpool gave points to Bournemouth in order for Everton to relegated from Premier League  Grin
We are becoming generous lately LOL

By the way, the pool is not working for me right now. I can not remember when I had an exact score in both EPL and UCL pool. Not happening from last few weeks. Is there any black magic of something LOL.

Considering the rank on UCL pool, if I could manage to get some exact scores then I could have a better position than now.

I was in the same position as you,I have totally screwed up in the Champions League,forgetting to put the picks several times and going with the defaults but even when I have put the picks there it was a disaster,first time for me playing there but I never expected to be this bad.

Back on here,when yesterday games ended I thought what a bad week I was having but in today games I just got 2 exact scores,Newcastle and West Ham and that improved my positions from 19 to 17 which is great considering that the weeks keep going way and we are through the end of the season in a couple of months,still I have never won anything in soccer pools yet (only last year in F1) so I am not expecting to end in a prize position in the end here.
4308  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: March 12, 2023, 08:03:38 PM
It turned out that Rome still gave a very good resistance. although they were down to 10 men in the second half. but Rome is now more dominating the game. and has managed to score 1 goal back in the 50th minute by Dybala. and the current score is 2-3 and of course Sassuolo is still 1 goal ahead in this match. but Roma decided not to give up and it would be very dramatic if Roma could even the score in this fight.
Behind 2 goals early and having to lose players made Roma really not go well in the first half.
Even though it was quite an exciting match in this game and Roma managed to reduce the deficit but this was a loss for them and of course it's not going too well now for Roma.
Even though the top 5 positions are still safe, if Milan wins, of course they will be left behind from the top 4 hunt.

Sassuolo looks like the nightmare team for the big names of Serie A as they are winning against a couple of such strong teams in Serie A and this lost game from Roma at home was totally unexpected.When Roma lost against Cremonese,the last place some couple of weeks ago I thought that it was just a misfortune for Roma but now that I see that these things are starting to happen often it means that Roma is not in the best of their form and I think it will only become worse for them,losing 2-4 at home is a clear indicator that the team has big problems,especially when they concede 4 goals at home,the red card impacted the game but a big team like Roma should be able to play even with 10 men.
4309  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: March 12, 2023, 04:57:51 PM
Well some really surprising results we have this round.

First Liverpool can not win against Bournemouth, one thing call my attetion after the game, i see Livepool odds to win was 1.4, really high thinking about Liverpool comes with a 7-0 agains Man utd and Bournemouth its a relegation team, so my question its, what thing the bookies know ?.

And today the Man Utd.... EASY match against Southampton, i know the red card change all the game so early, but still a surprise.

The red card should not be used as a justification for not winning against last place.Southampton was much more motivated to get the single point as the fight in the end of the table is vivid than ever,different teams are only being divided by little amount of points and every point is precious.I don't think Southampton will be able to not be relegated as how things are it looks difficult for them but this was one such week of the Premier League where surprises have happened in a big matter,I was afraid for a Arsenal draw and didn't think that Manchester United would not be able to win against Southampton.

In the pool at least I got a correct score for West Ham after so many weeks after not being able to do so.
4310  Economy / Gambling discussion / Play N Go Arturian Legends slot (review and advice) on: March 12, 2023, 02:34:06 PM
Play n Go is my favorite slot provider but I only love Arturian Legends themed slots.There are so far 5 of them but I want to include only 4 as the last one Clash of Camelot does not fit in the same way of game play mechanics as the other 4 do.All the slots I am listing give you up to x100 multiplier in different ways.

I am ranking based on my personal opinion which slot is better and why it is better.

1.The Green Knight

This is for me the top slot from Play n Go where in the bonus round you have a guaranteed x25 and a guaranteed x100 spin even if you don't win anything.This though takes more time to give you the bonus round compared to the other games I will list,usually after 250-350 spins in average but it can go up to over 1000 without giving you the bonus round so be careful with this one.

2.Diamonds of the Realm
This for me is the second best Arturian Legend slot and in here you need to collect Diamonds to get further,you trigger the free spins with 3 Diamonds and start at x2 multiplier,you need to collect diamonds to go to x5,x10 and finally x100 multiplier.While in this game you will get the bonus round more often than in Green Knight,in here rarely you will go to the last round,this game has the best mechanics as you don't need to hit a wild to get the multiplier like in the other games,in here to any combinations the multiplier will be active if won.

3.15 Crystal Roses
This is the third best as in here the bonus you will get it extremely rare at over 500 spins in average but you can get some boost sometime as you have 15 crystal roses that can be lit and if you happen to get 15 of them you win the legendary free spins,15 free spins at the x100 multiplier.In this though you need a wild to get the winning combination at x100,if you hit a normal win without a wild you don't get it and this is a big turn off for most of such games.

4.Swords and Holy Grail
This is exactly the same as Diamonds of the Realm where you get the bonus often and rarely go to the final round of x100 but in here we have the same problem which is you need to hit a wild in order to get the active multiplier and that is why I listed this game last.

So my personal advice to anyone wanting to try these slots it is better to play Green Knight of course when you have a big balance and when you don't you need to play Diamonds of the Realm
4311  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: March 12, 2023, 02:07:17 PM
I did not want to comment LFC yesterday - I was too furious. I'm really having trouble understanding us this season.

Bournemouth conceded 50!! goals in 25 games. FIFTY. How is it possible that a team chasing CL spots fails to create anything against such a team for a majority of the game?
Yes, it would have been easier if Salah scored that penalty - but we absolutely needed to create a lot more than we did.

Our schedule looks horrible now - and this defeat makes it mandatory that we win a few of the upcoming games.

I don't want to add more to your rage but when I saw the penalty from the slow motion it looked like Salah intentionally lost it,he got and wanted to score in the upside triangle to make it look like an awesome goal but that failed miserably.Of course Bournemouth could have won even with more than one goal as they missed one opportunity practically with an empty goal and they put it out.Liverpool I agree should have created more but I believe it was because of the Bournemouth goalkeeper who funny enough yesterday was in a great performance,yes the same goalkeeper who conceded 50 goals in 25 games.
4312  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: March 12, 2023, 01:40:23 PM
Manchester United are playing against Southampton today at home I expect Manchester United to prove that last game was a bad performance and prove them selves against Southampton. We already saw Liverpool lose against Bournemouth the worst team in the Premier League so we know that we are better and more consistent then them but I want to prove it to all the anti Manchester United fans that we will return to form right away.
Southampton is a comfortable opponent for Manchester. In the last 14 games Manchester has not lost Southampton so here it should not turn out like with Liverpool, especially since Manchester won his game with Betis and I think that 7 goals from Liverpool will not demotivate Manchester.

The match against Southampton will probably end with a victory for Manchester and will further strengthen the team in its strength.
 It will probably be difficult to compete with Arsenal and City, but it is quite possible to take third place, because Tottenham is always unstable and Liverpool is 7 points behind.

It is a forgotten memory for Manchester United when they lost 7-0 last week against Liverpool as they got and destroyed in midweek in Europa League Real Betis from Spain so they are still in great fit.Southampton is the last of the standings but despite being last they are still very much in the fight to save themselves from relegation as 6 points divide at least 6 teams in the bottom of the standings,so they won't be an easy opponent for Manchester United,though I think they are going to lose this game if Manchester keeps playing in the same way as they played against Real Betis.
4313  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Is for the strong. on: March 12, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
Gambling is for the strong and sturdy.
 I got this caption based on what happened when I visited an old friend of mine as it's been long since we saw, and so, after a little time out together with random discussions I discovered a sudden change in his mood while we're still chatting. With a steady look on his phone in his hands for about a minute or more as he scrolled up and down the phone screen repeatedly he shrouded his shoulders with a simultaneous regrettable look all over his face.
I took the phone from him only to learn that my friend has been calculating the whole series of losses he has made from all the bets he has placed from one of the gambling site he patronize. He had made a multiples of losses in almost all the games he had placed bet on  right from the start of this year, even to the current bet of that very day.

But then he asked me' bro assuming I had gathered all these money I have lost through gambling and channeled it into some sort of a little business or project, wouldn't it have been better!  At that moment I never knew the exact word to give to him as I never expected such deep a question, for the least I replied him was "hmm I can't really say".

With this, I wondered if other person's here in the forum that are into gambling too has at any point in time thought or felt that way, particularly when the losses are becoming overwhelming. And in that case, should such person stop gambling and rather divert such monies into something else since he/she ain't making corresponding wins or more, checking his bet history, Or he should carry on with hopes that winnings will start creeping in someday gradually?

That is addiction which is created when a person cannot really think of a side project or business like your friend only when he saw that he had lost that huge amount of money started to think about.I was in such situation in the 2020-2021 as I only cared to hit the spin button on slot machines not caring much what was happening to me and this was exactly as I had no side hobby,every money I made from mining I lost it in slot machines in different casinos.Luckily in 2022 I searched about this option of staking coins to get additional passive income as this was what I was trying to do in the slot machines,trying to hit a jackpot to improve my way of living which is a wrong approach.Since I found that I can stake different coins I keep doing it and every time I got some urge to gamble I deposit in my wallet where I stake coins and add the number of staked coins so I can make more money passively.

Trust me as I have been betting from a long time,it is better to get assured income rather than waiting for that big win.
4314  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Street Gambling Risk on: March 12, 2023, 01:02:41 PM
this has also been discussed in other threads but to be honest nothing is safe as long as you play on the streets, let alone street gambling even for other things as long as you show your money on the streets it will provoke a crime against you, so you should never play street gambling because Gambling is now much easier to be able to use a smartphone without having to bother leaving the house let alone playing on the streets because the risk is very high.

The fact that online gambling has been on the boom from many years now and even more with the coming of crypto means that every other form of gambling have seen a decrease during such time.As such I am a person that to be clean from any possible problem that may come from street gambling or some underground illegal rings that organize different way of gambling in an illegal way is to keep playing from the comfort of your home laid down in your couch and enjoying and thinking extremely quiet before placing the bets.This way you will have higher chances to win in sport gambling because in other games they rely on luck.
4315  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: March 11, 2023, 09:43:34 PM
Napoli just needs about 5-6 wins more and they are mathematically Champions of Italy.It is since some really long years ago when Maradona gave them the last title in 1986 or 1989  if I remember correctly as I was a small kid back then and that is a very long wait for Napoli to become Champions again.Another coincidence is that they are becoming Champions exactly after Argentina won the world title the same as in 1986 and this is a really beautiful coincidence for the fans of Napoli.

Needless to say that the Serie A has lost interest a long time ago and the runners up,the teams who fight for a spot in the Champions League are putting on ugly shows like Inter did yesterday night.
4316  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Conference League 2022/23 Season on: March 11, 2023, 09:23:30 PM
They even have the luxury of getting a 0-0 or even losing 0-1 at London,of course this last result extremely highly unlikely but they can do it.I think that West Ham will not be very motivated and go the extra mile in London and I think based on the difference in quality between the leagues which is really gigantic I don't see Aek putting a lot of pressure on West Ham at London,sure they have got nothing to lose but they simply lack the power to attack a Premier League team.

Villareal surprised me with 1-1 result as they could have closed the qualification already in the first leg and now they will close it in the return leg which can be somewhat dangerous.
I highly doubt that they would. I mean we are talking about a big difference between the clubs and I do not see how they would be able to actually lose that much difference, I think they will win and this will be an easy round for them.

To be fair conference league was created because of this, teams like West Ham and Roma couldn't do well with europa, so they have this, last year it was Roma, who would have lost at Europa easily every round, but they won it all, West Ham looks like a team that is similar in that regard, and they may get an easy few rounds this way, and maybe face someone better at the very end if they are unlucky, maybe they won't even have that.

Well surely from the teams that have remained here in Conference League so far the favorites to win it are without a doubt West Ham,Villareal,Fiorentina,Lazio and Alkmaar,one of these two teams will be eliminated as they are facing each other so in this league I think it is a sure thing that this cup will either go to Italy,Spain or most likely in England as I think despite West Ham being in the near bottom of the standings in the Premier League they can beat most of the teams here and if they are favored by the draw the can surely go to the final.
4317  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: March 11, 2023, 08:59:16 PM
When Liverpool were a goal down, I was confident that they will come back. Tried $50 on double chance and what a waste! The odd for them to qualify in CL next round should go back to 1/30 or even more. One match you humiliate one of the top team and in the next match you help a team who were waiting for relegation LOL

I guess everyone was in the same boat when they picked for the pool except for Ibuprofen that picked a draw. Normally some people would have chosen Brentford to win or something on the previous rounds but yeah after the 7-0 against United, I think everyone was in the same understanding that Liverpool is back and there is no way that they are losing to Brentford but it sucks when it actually happened.



It is true that we all expected Liverpool to win, but Bournemouth managed to break our bones. I'm really thinking now. Will Liverpool be able to remontada back against Real, who won today 3-1?
I had a very bad start this round with only 4 points out of 6 matches and I think I need to reconsider my remaining predictions.

A huge number of participants made only 4 points during this round and the guy at the front of the rankings for this round I don't know how he managed to get 10 points out of the 6 games,probably he is going against the odds and so far has paid him off but I don't know if that is the right strategy to get to the end.In the top 20 the gap in points between the participants is starting to be seen and every week that passes it becomes more difficult to recover.

Liverpool can make the remontada if they didn't play full power in today game and I think they are trying to give it a go on next week so it is possible but it will be difficult as both teams,Real and Liverpool are only focusing on the Champions League right now.
4318  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - The Leading Crypto Casino - 🦉 Drake, UFC, Everton Main Partner ⚽ 🥊 on: March 11, 2023, 08:46:03 PM
Currently KYC is only to claim bonus drops maybe in the future KYC is needed to claim weekly/monthly bonuses  Wink

It may hay happen in the future, since KYC is now mandatory for new account (CMIIW).
So what you think may happen as well that there will be KYC requirement to claim all bonuses in Stake.
Of course I'm not really worry about it since I've completed level 2 verification sing long time ago but it will be sad if level 3-4 verification will be required to claim all bonuses in the future.

New accounts only need KYC level 1 and it just completes the form even they can fill anything there I'm sure they will agree to these terms Cheesy
My account has also been verified level 2 here since last year so no problem, it's just that I see some of the users above really don't want this rule
obviously this would be a difficult choice if implemented while I haven't looked at other casinos as an alternative I mean in bonus offers and promos.

I am also level 2 verified there and it is just basic requirements like National ID or a driving license and this can increase the bonus claims you do compared to just level 1 KYC which anyone can fill anything there but they should not,they should put real data in the KYC 1 level so when it comes for them that they want to upgrade to level 2 KYC they have it really easy,they just upload their documents which match the name provided in the KYC level 1 verification.

However to get really nice bonuses in Stake you need to be playing constantly,the more you play the more you get,there were many people complaining about low weekly bonus today but people who have been playing really big got like 166 EUR as a weekly boost and that is no small amount,I got 0.29 Eur because I don't wager much  Grin.
4319  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: March 11, 2023, 05:47:16 PM
In the Everton-Brentford match, we see that Everton won 1-0.Everton won the match with a goal in minute 1 and it must be said that Everton got an important 3 points for themselves.It is a sad result for Brentford. losing points in such matches means that they lose their chances for European Cups. Brentford were the better side but they couldn't find a goal.Brentford, who were in good form, were defeated after a long time.They were doing very well until today.

It usually ends like this in such games,the stronger teams keeps making the game and the weak team scores and bags the three points.In order to be ready to play in Europe Brentford should not lose games with such opponents otherwise we cannot really call them a strong or a better team.

Everton is motivated to get as many points as possible because they are fighting to be out of the relegation zone which I think so far they are in a good position to not fall down in the Championship.Winning games at home gives the team a substantial boost that is great for the players psychological level and motivation.
4320  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: March 11, 2023, 05:25:10 PM
Hmm... I constantly write that despite the local success of Liverpool, they have a disastrous season, there is no stability and they are not suitable for betting, but yesterday for some reason I added them to my multibet  Undecided
Apparently 1-0 is the final result of the game and Liverpool again becomes the underdog for the fight for the top 4.
What a day to start the weekend games, so Liverpool missed a penalty which should have put them on the score sheet and that left them without a single goal after a solid performance the other weekend that also humiliated an in form Manchester United... Am just not sure what voodoo goes on with scoring too many goes in one game and following match a guaranteed flop follows Cry
When Liverpool were a goal down, I was confident that they will come back. Tried $50 on double chance and what a waste! The odd for them to qualify in CL next round should go back to 1/30 or even more. One match you humiliate one of the top team and in the next match you help a team who were waiting for relegation LOL

I did the same as I thought as a minimum they would draw and based on their recent performance they should have drawn,the fact that Salah lost a penalty heavily weighted on players psychological level and as such they could not do very well.This was the biggest surprise of today games,luckily the other games came as expected at least for the stronger teams like Chelsea and Tottenham.I didn't expect a Brentford lost game either or a Brighton not being able to win at Leeds but that is the beauty of the Premier League,in weeks where we think there is money to be made usually money is not made  Grin.
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