Listen, when i got involved, i was semi-aware of the risks and i knew that wolong was volatile, at best, but yes, i chose to get involved regardless bceause i got a lot of love for jacob and artis, and i wasnt worried at the time of getting involved baceuse we had free flowing communication most of the time and things were pretty much in order and the launch went as planned and very smoothly.. but as the project  got  launched the communication between wolong and the core team became NON EXISTENT, not just infrequent.  it dawned on me that if he does something stupid then its our names being dragged thorugh the dirt while he makes out like a bandit with BTC, panda, etc..free money.. and that is exactly what happened and our plans for the coin backfired bceause we got taken, and so did the IPO's, and so did the community. and it fucking sucks, no two ways wabout it.

dude i dont know what youve been reading but none of the devs who said they would hold have cashed out any coins. not jacob, artis (the two supposed to hold) and molly who is unfortunately caught in the crossfire here

right... well.. im glad you've made up your minda bout what has happened, but we are doing our best to see if there is any way that this can be rectified in some form. Wolong is gone, history, and he can fuck off back to his slum as far as im concerned. For all of you who seriously dont get what happened, wolong bailed, left everyone high and dry, hes admitted he made 100btc off his recent dump of his 1billion.. his own investors asked for IPO funds back and he refused and on top of that, he is contemplating a new coin for his fanclub to put their hopes and dreams in to. Understand he is gone, and none of us want to know about him again. This all came about because this is clearly what he had planned all along, and with all the will in the world, there was no way from stopping it other than not creating the coin in the first place.

moving FORWARD we have no idea whats going to happen with the coin, probably nothing from where we stand right now. If anyone wants to make any suggestions we are all ears

can verify this is the case. He dumped 1billion in last day on mintpal.

i dont see my name mentioned in that log, whereas all the others i am mentioned. Thanks for your troll attempt though.

like i said, i perosnally had no idea of that and am pissed to read that, i said this above.

lol this guy, been trolling here since he had the opportunity to.

Seperate WOLONG from devs and then you are entirely correct.

i had no idea of any of this, and its a part of the reason i will be walking away from this.

if you cant take what i am telling you then go to another thread, its really not difficult. You have already said uare not interested in the coin, why hang around here if thats really true?

i still hold 15m

thanks

yep, nothing i can do about that now though.

And agreed, I am waiting to speak to artis but its not my decision to kill the coin, its jacob and artis's

answered in bold to your comments

yeah and i dont think thats a bad idea

Mctanio,

appreciate the encouraging words to get the project on track. Let me just fill you in on stuff that has been discussed and also the complications involved with trying to execute on any of them.

As you can probably tell, I've refrained from posting too much in the last 24hours due to the increasing amount of trolls, 4channers, and everything else you have seen.

In a nutshell - myself and Jacob, MXTM, evoked and chise have all been talking about potential ways forward - please also bare in mind that the other main dev on the project, is Artis101 and he has been AFK since the project launched due to personal matters and so we have yet to bring him up to speed and gauge what he feels is the right way to push forward. Without him around at this point, (we were expecting he would be back already) it is difficult for us to make any firm decisions.

I personally don't want wolong involved in any way going forward. I want to find a way to claw back the coins, dump them at market, use the BTC to purchase back holdings from IPO investors through rebuying those funds and also dump their panda at market to effectively wipe the playing field and start from zero. The issue, however, is that Artis and Jacob are the ones who are caught in the crossfire - Artis has had no way of even touching his funds given that he is AFK and jacob hasn't touched his either, also consider investors like Molly who effectively bought in at 50BTC at a 25 satoshi IPO value, it will all be wiped, and with all the will in the world, I don't see wolong relinquishing his holdings.

Myself and add1ct3dd have taken a look at wolongs wallet activity and it is clear that he has moved 200mil aside (most likely mollys holdings) and its clear that he has moved a further amount to exchange and is being held there, (thats our guess anyway), likely Mintpal. So it makes our job very difficult, because even if we teamed up with the bigger pools and forced a 51% , it would leave a lot of good people very fucked and we really don't want to cause any more issues or drama with the community given everything that has happened.

I'm personally open to any suggestions that in theory could work, but please know one thing,I PERSONALLY have little authority over what can actually happen given that it is Jacob and Artis who are the core devs and would need to agreee between themselves.

We are obviously distraught that all the hard work, time and effort we have put in was seemingly sabotaged in the window of a few hours and would love to find a way to move past it and regain the community trust.

TLDR: I think the coin would be better without wolong, he adds zero value to the project.

Just my 2 cents

Sev

lol im not dutch, i have a lot of dutch friends online =)

appreciated.

yes i remember writing that, so what?  Jonny left the team early on due to other commitments and in regard to not at being liberty to discuss the IPO at that moment of publishing is bceause guess what, we hadn't received a ledger.

Johnny, i agree with you. But its a difficult decision to make to just PULL the thread bceause believe it or not, there is sitll a community with and whilst i naturally dont want to be seen to be associated with wolong or encouraging people to put their faith and money in him, i also have to respect the fact that there is still a group of people who want to mine the coin. I am all open to suggestions to clear up the front page, I removed the blurb wolong asked us to paste on his behalf there that discussed all the stuff about gaining trust etc, and the second i removed it i got flamed for removing it. Its just a case of being damned if i do and damned if i dont act in certain ways on this.

I am not the project lead, and whilst i hate wolong and thinks hes a total bitch, i cannot disrespect jacob and artis's hard work by just yanking the thread.

which was folllowed by me showing a 10m balance on my cryptorush.. stop ignoring the facts and get off wolongs dick

when are you going to get it, i was never told i had to hold my coins, there was no agreement with myself, no interaction with wolong, he had no idea what amount i even received, had no idea who else even got paid. so what does any of it matter anyway?

literally the SECOND we launched, wolong stopped caring about interacting with us _AT ALL_ because he got what he wanted and didnt need us anymore. how do you not understand that

why dont you find out from master wolong where this supposed agreement is that he had with me and the other developers like pandawest, mxtm, evoked etc that said we all have to hold our coins and should not sell? There is no agreement, there are no logs, he hasnt spoken to any of us and this is the reason this is happening. If you want to get sidetracked and believe for a minute that wolong destroyed the coin bceause i dumped a few million, which i was perfectly entitled to do, be my guest.

For everyone jumping around sucking wolongs dick, you saw the logs where he said the reason he crashed the coin was because of PANDAWEST where he specifically said thats why hes selling panda, and then hours later he makes a pastebin about how its my fault.

You realise that from the second the coin launched, wolong effectively cut his ties with everyone in the dev team - and now im getting shit because i wanted to find out what was going on in order to continue working on the coin and provide the most relevant info to the community?

I have nothing more to say to ajny of this - there was no agreement with myself, only jacob, artis and molly and wolong himself. No one else was bound by any agrement, no one even had a conversation with wolong, wolong didnt even know how much of sub-team even received in payment for our time so where do you expect him to say to us dont sell? That conversation never existed, never took place and he is using it as a smokescreen to defend the fact that he failed at pumping the coin the day prior to that.

You guys can hate on me all you like, i sold a few million coins. Yet the guy who took 250 btc, + 2billion coins and then decides he has no need to talk to anyone on the dev team and provide answers to important questions which were concerns of not just myself, but everyone on the team. Wolong keeps claiming hes spoken to us about not selling. do you think if i was told 'SEV U NEED TO HOLD YOUR COINS AS YOU ARE ON THE DEV TEAM' by a single person on the dev team, this is what i would have done. Im not an impatient person, so why, if that was the case, would i sell at ~65 satoshi when this awesome guy wolong could apparently get me hundreds of satoshi per coin. Really, think about what your saying


Edit: From day 1 of launch, i tried to secure millions in giveaway funds and was met with complete resistance in the form of silence from wolong. Everytime I PM'ed him i got no reply, every single time. I pushed for it so many times its beyond a joke, and all in the interest of building the community. Those of you who have made your mind up that im a scammer, im very sorry to hear that you think such shit of me but clearly you won't understand or are choosing not to believe the real reason this all happened, maybe because you are so heavily invested in wolong or maybe because u are just trolling. All i have done from the second i put this thread up is do my best to manage the community expectations, and when i am prevented from doing my job, and wolong isnt giving me answers, or anyone else on the team, and this has a direct impact on the publics perception of the success of the coin and the validity of the dev team, im obviously going to be in the firing line and i fully accept that.