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441  Economy / Auctions / Re: Silent Auction: $10 Federal Reserve Note on: March 01, 2012, 10:38:59 PM
The auction is now over.

The winning bids were 1.75 BTC. The first person who made this bid will be the winner. I will be contacting them within the next 24 hours.
442  Other / Politics & Society / Ron Paul named his son after an atheist. on: March 01, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
He name his son after Ayn Rand, an absolute atheist.

Yet people are concerned he's going to shove religion down people's throats? If anything, they should be concerned about his objectivist values. Now that would be legitimate.

Now, let's see here... Apparently Rand thought racism was irrational.  Roll Eyes
443  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vermin Supreme: Last chance for the US? on: March 01, 2012, 10:01:55 PM
I think giving every US citizen a pony is the more effective than the welfare system we have today. Foodstamps, medicare, etc? 90% waste, 10% efficiency.

The pony program? Money goes to the farms, ponies come out. Poop comes out of the ponies, poop goes into local community farms and food comes out.

I can't complain. It's one of the most efficient welfare programs I've seen.

You obviously missed the part about it being a mandatory identification pony.  Want to board the airplane.... too bad, you forgot your pony.

Well, fuck.

444  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vermin Supreme: Last chance for the US? on: March 01, 2012, 09:54:38 PM
I think giving every US citizen a pony is the more effective than the welfare system we have today. Foodstamps, medicare, etc? 90% waste, 10% efficiency.

The pony program? Money goes to the farms, ponies come out. Poop comes out of the ponies, poop goes into local community farms and food comes out.

I can't complain. It's one of the most efficient welfare programs I've seen.
445  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 09:51:11 PM
...snip...
That's how it is now with the state. If somebody with more firepower and force than the current government comes along, then I am just as screwed.

There is nothing sacred or special about the government. They are just regular people like you and I who happen to be the highest power or the biggest gun, if you will. They are not wise, incorruptible nor virtuous. They are not God.

The point is there will be always a bigger gun. You might as well arm everybody and make local communities the biggest guns around.

You are confusing yourself with implementation details.  Lets back up and take things in order.

Your property rights come from the state: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

If you feel the police are not the most effective way to protect property rights and you have a better idea, that's great.  But you have to start with property rights that need to be protected.  That means you start with a state.  

Then you get onto implementation details.  This is the part where you can complain that the police are useless and that every family should have their own Apache attack helicopter.  But they are only allowed use them to protect their own property and that is defined by the state.  

You see the logic now?

We have various governmenst with missiles and guns. We would prefer them to only use them to protect themselves. They don't. 99% of the world's military power is with the United States. The US is held accountable to nobody. Actions can be taken against those below it with little recourse.

What do I advocate? Decentralizing this power through its benefactors (aka the taxpayers) and make people accountable to the states or forces of their choosing.

The system you have now is failing, Hawker. It's time to choose something sustainable. It's time to do something more local.

If we can only do things this way, we're doomed.

If a system where we get richer every year, where we live longer, where we are safer from crime every year and about 75% of the population has a shot at a very comfortable life is "failing" please offer a better one.

You might be shocked that a lot of people agree with you and make it happen.

Posting a video that doesn't make sense will not help you though...my problem is that the video was illogical crap.  I've never said life can't be made better.

*shakes hand*
446  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 09:48:25 PM
There are zero examples of private property outside of a state.  Its never happened.

Really? Are you absolutely sure about that?
It's useless, Rassah. Apparently shooting a potential rapist is not establishing a right to yourself. It's just violence.

When the state does it, it's an established right.

The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.

-Max Stirner
447  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: March 01, 2012, 09:46:10 PM
I wanted to vote for Vermin Supreme. : \
448  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 09:44:12 PM
...snip...
That's how it is now with the state. If somebody with more firepower and force than the current government comes along, then I am just as screwed.

There is nothing sacred or special about the government. They are just regular people like you and I who happen to be the highest power or the biggest gun, if you will. They are not wise, incorruptible nor virtuous. They are not God.

The point is there will be always a bigger gun. You might as well arm everybody and make local communities the biggest guns around.

You are confusing yourself with implementation details.  Lets back up and take things in order.

Your property rights come from the state: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

If you feel the police are not the most effective way to protect property rights and you have a better idea, that's great.  But you have to start with property rights that need to be protected.  That means you start with a state.  

Then you get onto implementation details.  This is the part where you can complain that the police are useless and that every family should have their own Apache attack helicopter.  But they are only allowed use them to protect their own property and that is defined by the state.  

You see the logic now?

We have various governmenst with missiles and guns. We would prefer them to only use them to protect themselves. They don't. 99% of the world's military power is with the United States. The US is held accountable to nobody. Actions can be taken against those below it with little recourse.

What do I advocate? Decentralizing this power through its benefactors (aka the taxpayers) and make people accountable to the states or forces of their choosing.

The system you have now is failing, Hawker. It's time to choose something sustainable. It's time to do something more local.

If we can only do things this way, we're doomed.
449  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 09:28:59 PM
^^^ This. As I keep pointing out, he has no concept of rights or property whatsoever. So why waste time with him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

That seems a fair concept to me.

Do you have better?

I suggested personal property, but no, I don't. This REALLY reminds me of the people who say that all morality comes from the Bible, and thus those without faith (atheists) have no morals and no reason to not go around murdering everyone. That's probably why I find Hawker so damn frustrating (especially since this government theism is the crap that was the basis of those who founded my home country of USSR, e.g. You common folk have rights. It's because we give you your rights)
In fact, that's a good canned reply to stick to. For every "rights and property comes from laws" I'll just reply "all morality and concept of good and bad comes from the bible."

I couldn't of said it any better.

To me the laws are equivalent to the Bible.

Like the Bible, the law may say homosexuality and sodomy is unlawful and against human nature but it doesn't make it so.
450  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 09:22:04 PM
...snip...

In Texas, if somebody tries to trespass on my property or steal from me, I can shoot them. Castle Doctrine.

Is this not private property without a state?

...snip...

/doh

Of course its not private property without a state.  Think about what you have written.  "Trespass" "property" "doctrine" - all legal concepts created by the state.  Take away the state and there is no private property to "trespass" on and no courts to have "doctrines" in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

Please read a little and educate yourself. 

Alright, I am going to hang a "No Trespassing" sign right here, saying the governmnet recognizes this as my property.

Moments later I am shot, my wife gets raped and all of my stuff is stolen.

What now?

The state tries to find the perpetrators and say it's illegal but I am fucking dead.

Hawker, the laws are worthless when it comes to sustaining my "rights". My rights are not even guaranteed nor do they truly exist with a state.

Law books are just bounded pieces of paper in the end.



if you have no state then you have only items that you possess until they are taken off you by someone with more fire-power.


That's how it is now with the state. If somebody with more firepower and force than the current government comes along, then I am just as screwed.

There is nothing sacred or special about the government. They are just regular people like you and I who happen to be the highest power or the biggest gun, if you will. They are not wise, incorruptible nor virtuous. They are not God.

The point is there will be always a bigger gun. You might as well arm everybody and make local communities the biggest guns around.
451  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 09:08:18 PM
...snip...

In Texas, if somebody tries to trespass on my property or steal from me, I can shoot them. Castle Doctrine.

Is this not private property without a state?

...snip...

/doh

Of course its not private property without a state.  Think about what you have written.  "Trespass" "property" "doctrine" - all legal concepts created by the state.  Take away the state and there is no private property to "trespass" on and no courts to have "doctrines" in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

Please read a little and educate yourself.  

Alright, I am going to hang a "No Trespassing" sign right here, saying the governmnet recognizes this as my property.

Moments later I am shot, my wife gets raped and all of my stuff is stolen.

What now?

The state tries to find the perpetrators and say it's illegal but I am fucking dead.

Hawker, the laws are worthless when it comes to sustaining my "rights". My rights are not even guaranteed nor do they truly exist with a state.

Law books are just bounded pieces of paper in the end.

Private property and "laws" only exist when they are fully enforceable. Otherwise, you just have pure religious dogma.

A law or right that cannot be enforced is nothing to me or anybody who wishes to disobey them.

452  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 08:57:17 PM
...snip...

The state does not paint an alternate reality. It only fools its subjects into thinking so. The state fails at upholding ownership everyday.

Ownership and possession is the same according to you because the state will be just as poor as me defending my own property, at least in the US.

The courts are overpriced and bureaucratic. The police here have no obligation to serve according to the supreme court.

My firearms and my defenses can only be more powerful and of higher quality than what the state has to offer.

Now you are being silly.  You can't find facts or theory to back up your argument so its a big "waaah the sky is falling in" cry.

Get a grip on yourself.  Private property is perfectly well protected in all modern states.  Crime falls every year.  Life expectancy rises every year.  Things are good - you should be looking for ways to make them better instead of filling your head with nonsense.

How often do you think stolen property is recovered? Do you see the police constantly guarding your property?

Who do you we usually rely on for such things? Private security. Private investigation. Our own security cameras and security measures.

The state does very little for us when it comes to these things. Private insurance is the only thing we can sufficiently use to cover loss and the contracts are enforced on the basis that the parties will be out of business and worse off otherwise.

The state plays a very small role in all of this and when we need them most, they pool up cases of abuse and outright war against innocent people.

The good things we have such as an increased lifespan and a lower crime rate are mostly due to individuals voluntarily improving things through their own businesses and desires aka capitalism.

Also: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/



The point is that you do have property and that means you have a state.  You video talks about having private property without a state.  As I said, that is nonsense as the definition of what is private property comes from the state.

If you have problems with the efficiency of your local police, you have my sympathy.  The ones here are great - I had a non-molestation order on someone for a few years and the police were very fast to arrest her when she made her periodic appearances.  I suspect that if you had a need, you might find the help is there for you as well.  But that whole thing is off topic to your video.

In Texas, if somebody tries to trespass on my property or steal from me, I can shoot them. Castle Doctrine.

Is this not private property without a state?

If I try to steal a farmer's cattle, I will be likely shot before I can get away. Again, is this not private property without using a state?

If an armed woman is about to be raped but she shoots the rapist, was it only her that protected her right to herself?

The state isn't here to personally protect our persons. We can only take action towards that. The only thing enforcing our right to ourselves is our own means. Easily, people can come in hurt us through their own freewill. The state guarantees nothing against that except after the damage has been done.

It seems only the individual and their own private means can sustain the right to themselves and guarantee it.
453  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
The fact is the technology exists today for the individual to sufficiently protect their own property and themselves without a monopoly on force. We don't need governments to protect us.

The incentive for people to overpower many security-enabled citizens is absurdly low. Even today, most households are far from fortresses, police hardly monitor them constantly and they are still safe. They can only be better off with an alternative system that competes to meet their desires.

For instance, insurance coverage alone can easily provide enough incentive to keep criminals off the streets. Sure, you have freeriders that won't buy insurance but their property won't be covered from loss and damage.

Again, the state is irrelevant in this day and age.
454  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 08:39:35 PM
...snip...

The state does not paint an alternate reality. It only fools its subjects into thinking so. The state fails at upholding ownership everyday.

Ownership and possession is the same according to you because the state will be just as poor as me defending my own property, at least in the US.

The courts are overpriced and bureaucratic. The police here have no obligation to serve according to the supreme court.

My firearms and my defenses can only be more powerful and of higher quality than what the state has to offer.

Now you are being silly.  You can't find facts or theory to back up your argument so its a big "waaah the sky is falling in" cry.

Get a grip on yourself.  Private property is perfectly well protected in all modern states.  Crime falls every year.  Life expectancy rises every year.  Things are good - you should be looking for ways to make them better instead of filling your head with nonsense.

How often do you think stolen property is recovered? Do you see the police constantly guarding your property?

Who do you we usually rely on for such things? Private security. Private investigation. Our own security cameras and security measures.

The state does very little for us when it comes to these things. Private insurance is the only thing we can sufficiently use to cover loss and the contracts are enforced on the basis that the parties involved will be out of business and worse off otherwise.

The state plays a very small role in all of this and when we need them most, they pool up cases of abuse and outright war against innocent people.

The good things we have such as an increased lifespan and a lower crime rate are mostly due to individuals voluntarily improving things through their own businesses and desires aka capitalism.

Also: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/

455  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 07:49:01 PM
Hawker, if it is in my possession, it is my right. If I can commit the act, it is my right to do so. If I can sustain the possession, the ability or whatever it may be, it is my right. If I can do all of the former without a state, they are still my rights.

I do not need a state to maintain my rights as long as I have the might to do so myself and through my own virtue. Remember, might is what entails rights. It is my strength and my abilities that entail my rights. There is nothing more to this.

To say otherwise is purely religious.

But let the individual man lay claim to ever so many rights because Man or the concept man ‘entitles’ him to them, because his being man does it: what do I care for his right and his claim? If he has his right only from Man and does not have it from me, then for me he has no right. His life, for example, counts to me only for what it is worth to me. I respect neither a so-called right of property (or his claim to tangible goods) nor yet his right to the ‘sanctuary of his inner nature’ (or his right to have the spiritual goods and divinities, his gods, remain un-aggrieved). His goods, the sensuous as well as the spiritual, are mine, and I dispose of them as proprietor, in the measure of my — might.

- Max Stirner

So you only have rights as long as you have more fire-power than the next guy?  And your neighbour only has rights as long as he has more fire-power than you?

What a pleasant picture you paint.  Sadly its got issues with the English language.  You have confused "possession" and "ownership."  Saying that you possess everything you can take by force is true.  That doesn't mean you own it.  It only means you have possession until someone takes it off you or kills you.

The state does not paint an alternate reality. It only fools its subjects into thinking so. The state fails at upholding ownership everyday.

Ownership and possession is the same according to you because the state will be just as poor as me defending my own property, at least in the US.

The courts are overpriced and bureaucratic. The police here have no obligation to serve according to the supreme court.

My firearms and my defenses can only be more powerful and of higher quality than what the state has to offer.
456  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The message of liberty in less than one minute. on: March 01, 2012, 07:37:50 PM
Hawker, if it is in my possession, it is my right. If I can commit the act, it is my right to do so. If I can sustain the possession, the ability or whatever it may be, it is my right. If I can do all of the former without a state, they are still my rights.

I do not need a state to maintain my rights as long as I have the might to do so myself and through my own virtue. Remember, might is what entails rights. It is my strength and my abilities that entail my rights. There is nothing more to this. A state guarantee is mere happenstance and could be argued as a ability of my own virtue: the rights are given to me out of my value to the institution.

To say otherwise is purely religious.

For instance, if a state won't care for you, if you can't feed yourself, clothe yourself or shelter yourself, none of these things are your rights. The UN can declare you are entitled to such things but that means nothing, for you have nothing but whatever strength and virtue you currently possess.

As the primitive men before you, you will only be able to attain these things through your own might.

But let the individual man lay claim to ever so many rights because Man or the concept man ‘entitles’ him to them, because his being man does it: what do I care for his right and his claim? If he has his right only from Man and does not have it from me, then for me he has no right. His life, for example, counts to me only for what it is worth to me. I respect neither a so-called right of property (or his claim to tangible goods) nor yet his right to the ‘sanctuary of his inner nature’ (or his right to have the spiritual goods and divinities, his gods, remain un-aggrieved). His goods, the sensuous as well as the spiritual, are mine, and I dispose of them as proprietor, in the measure of my — might.

- Max Stirner
457  Economy / Speculation / Eric Schmidt, Google approves of Bitcoin. Go long. on: March 01, 2012, 07:25:36 PM
Only when a powerful man such as Eric Schmidt and his company notices the innovation that is Bitcoin but avoids it because of legal pedantry, do you know that this is the future.

This should be setting a positive precedent going forward. I am predicting steady gains over the long-term and gains in the short-term.
458  Other / Off-topic / Re: Totally Off-Topic! on: March 01, 2012, 04:56:32 AM
Yep, I've gone off the deep end. I just dated a single mom with two children. Women that aren't 10 years older than me seem like children to me.

I'm not going back aren't I?

You'll go back! When I was young, I was in the same situation. Reason for going back? She was a squirter! Gavin would've loved that faucet.

Boss: <scratches head> (what's a squirter?)


...and that's enough internet for today.

459  Other / Off-topic / Re: Totally Off-Topic! on: March 01, 2012, 04:32:18 AM
Yep, I've gone off the deep end. I just dated a single mom with two children. Women that aren't 10 years older than me seem like children to me.

I'm not going back aren't I?
460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ron Paul is the Bitcoin candidate: not Barack Obama, not standard candidates. on: March 01, 2012, 12:00:25 AM
those elections are local.
The president can appoint whoever they want to the fed. That can affect the world. That can affect currency policy everywhere.
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