you can use your coins to pay for your bail when get brought to court  Good thinking |
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You keep poking a stick into a hornets nest playing with trademarked material. If you are as good of artist as you state you are, why don't you try selling some original art. By doing art of someone's trademark'ed items it makes you no better than a scammer. If I wanted Coke art I would buy it from a licensed professional, not a copy-cat.
I guess that it is also a time for a very short but essential art note here. Everyone know Pop Art and Andy Warhol. Im doing a similar thing but in a different form. like a web multiplication. When google direct you to my work it is my artistic goal which is achieved by click on the link. My medium of expression for my art is this forum , the Coins are the raw materials. Now I am aware that the art implication is very complex and may seem extremely stupid for many of you that are not familiar with much of the conceptual art world. but I do want you to understand that I use the coca-cola images very similar to the way this very famous artist did' so that the step Im taking is not too big to comprehend for those who know art history well. All this will be very essential if ever go to court |
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I warn all users here on this forum not to buy any of these shitty Scamcoins! AVOID AVOID AVOID!
SCAM-POTENTIAL = 100%
 are you serious？ For every coin you get there is a product which has art value. That is more than you get for most of the coin in Atlcoin land thus far. so this is still going on ?  Just curious how many bought into that ? (I think this thread could be a gold mine for psychologist if there are some buyers.... at some extent the entire forum is a gold mine for psychologist... and scammer as well... ) The truth is that I was expecting this crowd here to pick up on the things that im doing a bit quicker, being some of the smartest people around But I guess that I need to clue you into my brain. Say that my main goal as a bitcoiner (for which ever reason it is, Ideological or greed) is to get as many to use crypto-currency Say that I am someone with no power whatsoever at any circle but is a credible artist that can show a firm history of work with a very strong and consistent line. Assuming I know that as an artist I got the license to do some things no one else is permitted, but it is not only the license that I got I am actually very trained at see the unwritten rules most of you over look and don't even realize exists, while keeping in the limits of written rules so not to be left unguarded. Now if it is not yet clear to any of you, Coca-Cola will not be able to win a case against my coins that easy, both as art work or in terms or "counterfeiting" like stealing their coin rights on their name. I can call my child Coca-Cola and it is not be against any law yet. To call my token Coca-Cola and dress it up like a coca-cola as long as I don't try to fool anyone for being the real Coca Cola thing Is just the same anyway if they are going to sue me or only buy me' which everway my art and my coins are going to be worth much more. eventually the company will have to buy all coins in the free market since It will be out there for buying. Assuming that my wallet in counterparty is out of their court order reach, they cant really house arrest me for making my art public and ask money for selling it. So what do you think? I think a psychologist is not the thing you need here in order to get it. just be a bit more open and whiling to have some fun with it all |
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I warn all users here on this forum not to buy any of these shitty Scamcoins! AVOID AVOID AVOID!
SCAM-POTENTIAL = 100%
are you serious？ For every coin you get there is a product which has art value. That is more than you get for most of the coin in Atlcoin land thus far. |
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If I may, I just dont get why do you think that the coin will not have a general use
Of course I do think it will! I was just pointing out that where most coins treat this as a primary design goal, zennet treats this more as just a secondary concern and doesn't sacrifice other goals for it, which *might* end up making it less suitable for such purposes, for the reasons Ohad pointed out. Note the following fact: assume we're using regular POW based blockchain. since we use rapid payments for small amounts, we can use short block time (say 1min), which will of course increase the probability of the risk of double spending, but the expectation of the risk is low since we talk about small amounts. hence, buying a car with zencoins might not be as safe as people regular to. it's one point where taking care of the certain use might make the coin inadequate for other uses. say the coin is working just like Bitcoin, just with short block time, and an attacker could tamper the network for one hour. the loss for home pc will be no more than a few dollars worth, if not less than one dollar. This is an extreme case, of course, and might be even too extremely simplified to be possible. Using micro payment actually increase security in means of payment. Yha each payment can be tempered more easily but if I use that technology you develop with the internet of things in the future' or just my car's computer in the present, my car manufacturer release the car computer capability in increments as the payment process progress. Once the entire sum has been transferred the key in you hand get the activation code and you may drive away. To secure the process of payments it can be spread on a longer period of time and in smaller increments which is not a problem for large purchases. You can even let the person take the car and deactivate the key if he never ended up paying...... Hey I may just crafted my idea for the future TOYOTA Coin |
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HI GATRA! dpos has the drawbacks of pos while adding centralization.
I agree, and am/will-be trying to deter Ohad from going dpos over the course of our irc discussions. I'm personally not as concerned with the "drawbacks of POS" (particularly in this case) as I am with the "adding centralization" but I understand that both concerns are quite valid. If you had PoW, I see many cool forms of arbitrage happening: being a provider and "outsourcing" to cheaper providers, using coins to pay a provider to mine coins for you, etc.
Possibly, but it is likely that the system will be self-balancing such that the arbitrage smiles are very rare and short lived. If a publisher could profitably mine with some providers' resource then rationally that provider would pull that resource from the network and instead apply it to the same mining process themselves for even greater profit - as they will not need to be paying some provider's fee on top. In fact, this briefly came up in discussion just yesterday, after someone out there (and "out there", heh) mistakenly inferred that people might rent resource to mine bitcoins - in something of a decentralized cloud mining style - which is ofc highly irrational. The coin is degined for micropayments. I'm not sure (yet don't know) if it'll be economic or convenient or safe for other uses. what does this mean? I can't think of any design decision that would be influenced by that, because... aren't micropayments handled off-chain? You may want a fast block generation rate, but, what else? No, the micropayments will be on-chain! Precisely the reason that this system uses zencoin instead of bitcoin or othercoin is because it will require a chain specifically oriented toward facilitating continual micro-payments for accounted resource. This was one of the most difficult points for Ohad to get across to me, but since he has I now agree with him... the particular nature of this coin/network likely makes it of lesser utility for general purpose use. I'm sure it will still see general purpose use, especially for things like services/add-ons related to zennet itself but the architecture is being assembled explicitly without this being a design goal, unlike most coins. If I may, I just dont get why do you think that the coin will not have a general use Yes it is design specifically for a servicing a particular system' but if it is traded on the exchange markets, even P2P and there is a demand for the service which that coin mediate, my corner store may have a difficult time accepting it but maybe as payment in the university it will be accepted with much joy. and if all universities and student take it' the corner store will too. All services and related applications of accessibility will follow as well as hoarders. Basically other than say it for the sake of laws and out of respect for paid lawyers',there is absolutely no reason to consider that not to be a good desirable means of exchange, store of value' and so very important' a unit of account that is related to a real basic commodity. (back to bean coins basically) |
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Unbelievable idea
Unbelievably stupid idea /Fixed define stupid. Then if you can show me one stupid thing on that I did or did on the thread other then bad spelling, point it out. Most likely if you take the time to do it you will realize that it is very calculated and was done using a lot of smart brain cells. you violated trademarks, coke and disney...two stupid things....now where is my reward? ...btw if you say how...very easy to understand O.K I will let you call me stupid since I actually don't really mind, My only problem with that is that it turns away other people who are just as bright as you are and cant see for themselves, thus lmiss the chance to make an easy and fun bc one day once the coca cola company will try to buy all the coins. As much as I try to talk simple and clear, it is still too complicated for most in this forum do comprehend. So lets close that subject and agree on stupid, And later we may have to redefine stupid as plain annoying which is in did one of "stupid" definitions. So stupid it is. a proud stupid (how much more annoying can that get?) |
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You either get my point and agree, or get my point and disagree. The bottom line is if the btc gonna cost 1000$ next year then I could buy X3 times the amount of process power / service on Zennet than I am now with the same btc.
I "get" your point, but I neither agree nor disagree because your point doesn't even apply to the question, here. Of course no one stops you from investing your dollars and I didn't say it is a bad idea, what I said is that spending btc now could cost you in the long term..
Or BTC "could" crash back to $100 in which case spending btc now could save you in the long term. My crystal ball is on the fritz, so I can't say for sure which of us is right on this point. It doesn't matter, though.... Again, the USD value of BTC doesn't actually even factor into the consideration. The concern is not what BTC does relative to USD, but what BTC and ZEN do relative to EACH OTHER. Nothing more. Fiat money only comes into the picture if our intended trade somehow involves an exchange of it. Buying ZEN with BTC has nothing at all to do with USD or anything else at all but ZEN and BTC. You didn't answer the question! If fiat currency never existed at all does your reasoning still hold? The price of milk in Ireland says nothing about the rationality of a decision to trade Btc for Zen. By your logic if I think that the price of milk in Ireland is going to go down then spending BTC for ZEN could cost me in the long run, because the value of BTC relative to the value of milk in Ireland will go up. This is obviously absurd. Why should it be any less absurd if we replace "milk in Ireland" with USD? The main reason to buy Zen with your BTC is to diversify your investment portfolio. holding everything in bitcoins is just stupid in terms of every investment model. Now the question is why Zen and not Darkcoin or a share of google. The choice to invest in crypto is a combination of risk factor and belief in the crypto decentralized social/economic revolution. Short sighted people would say that involving "moral" standards in an investment is stupid, well it is just like any risk factor. When looking at the big picture, I would do much better for my children's future investing in improving a system that will guarantee a better chance for them to buy a home, than to investing in making enough money that will be able to buy them a home 20 years from now. But since we are a short sighted creature and more so since we haven't been able to device an economic system that incentives in the short term, the long term goals like nature do, I will focus on the short term benefit of investing in zen coin. Zen coin s a product, not merely a coin. it is the key to a contract between someone who have computing power and someone who need computing power. It is a powerful key for something almost every person in the civilized world can use, and it is a product no one has created before. If diversify your BTC investments is the thing then Zent would be that thing. It is the first crypto-product that is reaching the heights of bitcoin. It offers a decentralized revolution to one of the most important resource of our time. Computation. |
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Unbelievable idea
Unbelievably stupid idea /Fixed define stupid. Then if you can show me one stupid thing on that I did or did on the thread other then bad spelling, point it out. Most likely if you take the time to do it you will realize that it is very calculated and was done using a lot of smart brain cells. |
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O.K. let me try to put it in simple numbers for simple people like myself
1. how many coins are 100% ?
so far there is no number and some say it is not really important, which I think is a true statement
2. If I buy coins for 1000$ in the pre-sale, I will not know how many coins I have bought until after the sale, even if by then the total number has been set which it will to my understandings
3. So lets say that the total coin number is 10,000,000. 1M is going for pre-sale , the sale ended up with 5,000,000$ in the vault. this means that each coin price has been set on 5/1 that is 5$ each which means that I am entitled for 1000/5 = 200 coins. If however there are only few interested investors and only 1000$ have been invested then I can got with my 100$ 10% of the coins. (less the percentage to developers and such). these coins worth much less but as an early investor I actually had a great deal. So I would actually try to keep people off the sell, but this will hurt the developers and thus the product I am investing in. This is a dilemma pre-sale buyers would have to deal with. should I try to get as many people on now or not.
4. Now that the price has been set. is it good for me as an investor, that it is high, or is it better that it is low? For a speculation it is better low until it hits the markets and can be sold by early investors. So once again I am better off having the price of the coin stay low.
This all together is a problem for the developers who need to get the coins sell for the highest price possible in order to have the funds for further development .
So is this how it is or am totally wrong?
So let me try and answer some of the problem I have presented here: first and most important, we are redefining many economics basic assumptions: Introducing a token coin into the equation is like having an equation with two variables rather than one. The value of the token is a product of both the demand for the service one get using the coin and the supply of both service and token, . This means that one can have piles of cash in their hands but no excess to the service unless having a token in their hands. Assuming then, that I have all the dollars in the world, the price of the service will be set by the supply of tokens only while having a limited amount of both create a new relationship. Now if, like in the case of most Altcoins, the coin itself was not a gateway to any service and I can use any other currency to get my product or service, then the value of the coin is driven only by community expectation to draw a user community which will use the currency as a medium of exchange and store of value. BTC for example did act as a token for a" none banking" wire transaction. The value that bitcoin drew was due to it being a token for a service one could not get without it. Zennet coin is just like that, only that the service you get is computing, which you can get elsewhere but not sell ellsewhere. The service have many other qualities that makes it desirable. unless it get too expensive. But here again the market mechanism is very direct and make the coin price match demand. Investors that choose to keep the token as store of value or for speculations can evaluate their investment in real terms as far as demand for service and supply of coins. Now let me take you back to our pre-sell. The tokens that we are buying are the parts of that future supercomputer. It can not work without that essential component. Our coins are the actual part that operate that "machine", but unlike most essential parts of a machine, these you can transfer from one to the other. The tokens a a full representation for the value of the "machine" or rather that future computing decentralized corporation. But our tokens are even more than that' they are also the actual contract. some of the things that one day Ethereum will allow to do. are already here as zennet coins We as first investors still may want to keep the crowd from coming, but our machine is not going to be that developed if the developers dont make enough profit. thus we as investors in a product wants to get as much money invested in the product development. And when I say two variables that is what I mean. As a pre-sale investor I would solve that paradocs by asking the developers to keep more coins in their possession so they can capitalize on it after the "machine" is in the market and so are the coins. Even if they eventually dump some coins they are going to loose future profit from the product they have created, |
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O.K. let me try to put it in simple numbers for simple people like myself
1. how many coins are 100% ?
so far there is no number and some say it is not really important, which I think is a true statement
2. If I buy coins for 1000$ in the pre-sale, I will not know how many coins I have bought until after the sale, even if by then the total number has been set which it will to my understandings
3. So lets say that the total coin number is 10,000,000. 1M is going for pre-sale , the sell ended up with 5,000,000$ in the vault. this means that each coin price has been set on 5/1 that is 5$ each which means that I am entitled for 1000/5 = 200 coins. If however there are only few interested investors and only 1000$ have been invested then I can got with my 100$ 10% of the coins. (less the percentage to developers and such). these coins worth much less but as an early investor I actually had a great deal. So I would actually try to keep people off the sell, but this will hurt the developers and thus the product I am investing in. This is a dilemma pre-sale buyers would have to deal with. should I try to get as many people on now or not.
4. Now that the price has been set. is it good for me as an investor, that it is high, or is it better that it is low? For a speculation it is better low until it hits the markets and can be sold by early investors. So once again I am better off having the price of the coin stay low.
This all together is a problem for the developers who need to get the coins sell for the highest price possible in order to have the funds for further development .
So is this how it is or am totally wrong?
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So how much artwork have you sold already?
I have sold in the past before going into the "coin industry". Right now my art is for sell only by using my coins. No one has bought any yet, but so far I wasn't active in the art community only here on the thread building it up as a conceptual work. I dont expect any art sell for some time. |
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MINNIE: I think that I crossed a line again....
MICKEY: How many times have I asked the animators to color in the fields right away, I was hoping that Pixar will solve that, but you are so out of line .
MINNIE: I didn't cross my lines this time Mickey, I crossed human lines, I sent Satoshi a private message about us.
MICKEY: This is so embarrassing Minnie, Everyone knows that his profile is not active.
MINNIE: But he is active and he crosses the lines back into 3D all the times!
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Most of crypto-world effort regarding the world of commerce was directed at gaining recognition and being excepted as means of payment but very little work have been done as far as exploiting these industries powers to create their own crypto-coins.
People in the community tend to think that mass adoption would come from the crowed via new innovations and new players.
I believe that we are facing enormous challenge in attempting to crack the world wide excepted monopolized monetary system based on central bank control and we need the big players to join in before that credit monopoly put in central bankers hand will destroy all that have been achieved in years of diversified monetary systems.
Is it weird that, as hilarious as this thread is, I find the most humorous things to be in NILI's (evidently intentional) typos and misspellings? Particularly funny is the fact that "accepted" and "excepted" are precise opposites!! He is saying literally the exact inverse of what he intends, and it makes the statements quite funny. I agree that crypto is excepted as a means of payment, we should do something about that!  His coins are floating around in cryptocin, I guess so that fungus will not form on them. I hate when I get fungus on my bitcoins. It would be expansive to excess his wallet. I wish someone would expansively excess MY wallets! Too much! You need to use your bitcoins a bit more. Buy and sell my coins and get Coca-cola hooked. ;-) your bitcoins will then, flower again. All of you here you have to start using P2P exchanges and put it to work. It is much more important for your future than your bitcoins. Do it here with my coins and you will get everyone to join too, after all trademarks do the work. :-) |
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The year is 2020 and Coca-Cola just announced that they are going into mortgage business offering a mortgage in Coca-Cola coins at a 0% interest rate.....
Would you take their mortgage offer then?
How much my Coca-Cola coins are going to be worth then?
And if you still asking yourself why would Coca-cola give mortgage for no interest, well, think how big thier coin is going to become once used to buy a home.
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This is how the coin is going to gain its value:
1. Presence it the forum: A consistent flow of information regarding the coin concept development. Some insights and replies to comments
2. Development of all my coins monetary model, while setting the network between them
3. Making my case point regardless of lawyers action
4. coming out with the coins to the art community and collectors .
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