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Okay which coins I have provide a Real World Usage? If there is a real world usage now or good provable progress towards it in the future then its worth holding regardless of the price.
Also whats the best way to check if the coin is still active and the developer is giving out promising updates?
Advertising or promoting a coin attracting new investors with no real world usage with becomes inactive with no updates after a dump is guaranteed a pump or dump coin?
You guys just investing for profits or investing for the Blockchain tech?
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Okay if Terms Of Service TOS then does this imply that having TOS in the 1st place indicates the service is not really decentralised and really is centralised as TOS is someone usually owner (centralised) dictating terms of using the service right?
Decentralised sites and privacy focus sites are 2 totally different things right? A privacy focus site like DuckDuckGo search engine is still centralised owned by a person who could change his/her mind and make it not privacy no more right?
I could sign up to privacy focus centralised sites but down the line in the future they might change to non-privacy or sell their sites you know what I mean.
So Decentralised sites is better than privacy focus sites dont you guys agree?
So Decentralised sites are like Bittorent peer to peer file sharing where user data and file storage is broken up into packets and stored onto seeder computers and to take down a decentralised service you have to go against each seeder manually on the peer to peer network? Similar to Bitcoin where nobody owns it and nobody can take it down?
Is Decentralised services just use peer to peer P2P protocols or is there better protocols or services out there or coming out that we forgot to mention yet?
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Is there a site that shows a list of all the decentralized online services up and running available now, not beta services?
Or a site that shows the best decentralized service for each category, categories such as for example:
- Decentralized email
- Decentalized cloud storage
- Decentralized domains
- Decentralized exchanges
- Decentralized whatever
- and many more
Okay the following questions on Decentralization:
- Does the above decentralized services has to based off blockchains and crypto?
- Can decentralized services or websites be hacked or can law enforcement obtain info from these services?
- Are decentralized sites & TOR .onion sites the same?
- So if I create a decentralised website or upload files to a decentralised cloud storage, then they will be forever be available to access as long I have a internet connection? Nothing can bring it down? Impossible to bring down?
I ask because a favourite youtuber of mine got his channel censored and deleted on youtube. I know youtube is a centralised service website and I know centralised sites can be hacked and taken down, Even Google.com can be taken down but Decentralized services are impossible to take down or hack?
What are the drawbacks of a decentalized service or site apart from internet traffic and current popularity?
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If you need a quick buck, dump them. You can always buy more when you recover financially.
But i always kept my shitcoins in the past. 9 out of 10 would plummet to death, but that 1 that made it, made it big
he said a few years, and maybe he has been holding it back from 2017, I looked at the list of coins in 2017 when the price was very high, so it would be difficult to recover the loss some coins lost more than 90%. its a hard decision too sell or hold it. In the next altcoin bull run like we had in 2017 you think these alts wont recover to ATH's? Not even 25 to 50% recovery in the next bull run? |
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What do you mean by saying, "what is the best project"? These are your holdings and you should be one to make a good decision of your holdings and not us. First and foremost, check their projects development and those without progress during a period of a year or more is or are bad project which need no attention. But for those project with updates, then you can be giving more priority to those ones and not just scam project. You can sell some of your holdings to swap them to Bitcoin and ethereum.
Okay you suggest to check their project developments to see if theres any updates within the last year and hodl the coins that match this criteria. Whats the best way to check this? Reddit? If so then all it takes is 2mins of the coin developer time to post a possible fake progress post on their reddit board once every 3 months or once every 6 months on that matter on fooling the investors. So how do Investors verify whether postings by coin developers on social media are serious or a scam? |
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What I fear of holding alt coins for long term is: - Exchanges Delisting coins or hacked = lost  - Coin Swaps, for example ETH 1.0 swapping for new ETH 2.0 by a certain deadline and if you miss the deadline then your screwed with a bag of worthless ETH 1.0. A person may not be available on the computer all the time to read crypto news or spot notification emails in a inbox already flooded by existing 1000s of junk mail. The argument to the above that is exchanges delisting coins would to withdraw to own wallet but then again if I withdraw to own wallet then I wont get notification emails of coin swaps to a new chain you know what I mean. - Hard Forks, again a person may not be available to be on the computer all day to read the debate on which fork is the best or add replay protection to protect from hard forks or double spends you know what I mean. How does a long term crypto investor guard against all above without investing so much time manually checking each coin in the portfolio daily?
Whats good about LINK that makes it better than ETH 2.0? Or will they coincide together in a market like Coca Cola & Pepsi or like Uber & Ola or is 1 try to monopolise the whole market like Microsoft showing no mercy?
Yes I see in charts alts ATH's looked similar to BTC ATH back in 2017 however alts charts now dont look like bitcoin charts now as the alts and btc looks like they have been decoupled. But alts LINK and XTZ charts look totally different and is looking similar to btc price action. Why is that?
When you say alts like ADA & IOTA are still being developed, these coins have been on the market for past few years. How long does it take for a coin to fully develop or is it the matter of coincidence of mentioning & saving achievements or developments for the next timed bull run to attract new investors? Or is it that any coin blockchain tech requires lifetime updates like most existing tech so if that is the case then does achievements or announced developments becomes relevant? For example millions of Iphone users worldwide may get a prompt on screen for firmware update that doesnt surprise them as updates especially in technology doesnt surprise anyone anymore as its expected for tech to get outdated very quickly you know what I mean.
Back in 2016 btc halving there was no economic gloom like today plus new fomo investors entered the cypto market in 2017.
The circumstances now in 2020 compared to 2016/17 have totally changed so Im thinking who will be the new investors be with cash capital for the 2020/21 bull run and will alts beat their previous ATH's?
I never said LINK was better than ETH. Don't get me wrong here, I don't want to be understood as a LINK or XTZ shiller. Because they are attracting money to pour on them, other alts don't or attract less. Why they attract? --> I already mentioned many times in above replies. Again, no one knows how long does it take to fully develop a coin. The whole cryptocurrency market is living on belief. Developments and achievements are things that maintain that belief. Investors may or may not be interested in those but without them, they think the project is dead and dump their coins. New investors can be a American jobless guy who doesn't know what to do with his stimulus check, a stock investor who has withdrawn his money from bood-bathed NYSE, an Elon Musk who is getting bored with his Tesla stock climbing too high...etc. It's a macro problem and you are expecting too high from this young, volatile market. Okay so the difference is advertising attraction attracting new money via new reddit posts and new online regular news articles on popular crypto sites right? All the alts I have already have reddit boards but advertising im not sure. I know advertising costs a lot of money but then again the only criteria is to judge a good altcoin from a shitcoin is regular advertising on crypto sites? Bitcoin is supposed to be a decentralised coin where nobody owns the logo, blockchain, brand or rights to it so it cannot be advertised. Can news articles be classed as advertising? How do we know that a coin developer is not paying off a crypto news platform to promote its coin? [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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You mentioned LINK & XTZ. I see LINK is a older coin from 2017 that managed to keep in the top 20 rankings. LINK is similar old age to the coins that im holding. Whats promising about LINK that separates it from the coins that im holding that managed to maintain its position in the top 20 through the past bear markets? I see LINK and XTZ are near ATH's now which is a bit risky for me as they might turn out to be like NEO, IOTA or ADA crashing to like 10 or 20 cents or something if this economic collapse brings another bear market.
So why the likes of NEO, IOTA or ADA crashed but LINK and XTZ didnt? The visual difference I can see between them is NEO, IOTA & ADA look like pump and dump coins in the historical charts but LINK and XTZ historical charts look totally different. Bitcoin once looked like a pump and dump coin in 2018 but the current charts changed that outlook. So is it the matter of investing in old altcoins in top 100 that has no history of pump and dump in the charts?
You can come here to see XTZ's achievements, most of them are in the real world: https://www.reddit.com/r/tezos/comments/dz1uhs/lets_summarize_our_accomplishments_in_a_single/. Currently, XTZ is the only altcoin which is usually mentioned as a ETH's competitor. You can also find some articles in here or there to get to know LINK and its prospects. Altcoin's ATH reached nearly at the same time with bitcoin's, you can see this through charts. Why do you think that those are LINK or XTZ's ATHs when bitcoin is still moving at the vicinity of half of its ATH? The difference between these two and ADA, IOTA... is that they are still being well developed and gaining achievements. Cryptocurrency world lives on people's belief. When you write a long list of to-do things on a whitepaper but fail to do them, investors lose faiths and interests on you. That's what happening with the crashed coins. Anw, I never say that NEO, IOTA and ADA are pump and dump coins. Yes you can put your trust in some coins in top 100 but charts is just one of many aspects to take into consideration. Team, community, technology, partnerships.... are some of the others. You have to keep your eyes closely to the coins that you invested in (join telegram, discord; like facebook, twitter...). Just buy a bag of coins and let it be in a wallet is far from enough. Lastly who will be the market participants be or who will the new investors be that will push the next altcoin bull run? And in the next altcoin bull run will we see new ATH's or will altcoins look like bitcoin charts now? Will the new investors for the next altcoin bull run be?: - Unemployed people from this economic collapse? - Middle class people who lost faith in Fiat money and like to hedge in crypto? Obviously they gotta buy BTC first before they trade it for altcoins. - Rich people or Businesses with capital who like hedge their fiat capital in crypto? - Big Mega Corporations & Governments who pushing for a cashless society? But then again they will have their own centralized coins or will they adopt the existing XRP coin? How does a centralised coin like XRP Ripple with all the hate its getting keep its no.3 ranking for past years and also through the bear markets? - Back in 2017 there was no economic collapse like today so im thinking who will be the new investors be coming in for the next altcoin bull run this year or next year or the year after that? Who is buying bitcoin now because it cant be the millions and millions of unemployed people who lost their jobs recently. Who has the capital nowadays thats buying bitcoin now? Back in 2017 there was FOMO with the masses general public in crypto. Now the masses public are unemployed so who will be the new FOMO people with capital to spend be? Hopefully with answers to above will help me decide whether to hodl or dump  New investors can be anyone that you talked about. I can't tell you since I'm not a fortune teller. Or the worst case is there's no new investors, like you said, people are losing their jobs, losing money. The only thing that's worth expecting is that bitcoin is halvening. In the past, bitcoin's price increased after each halving.  Whats good about LINK that makes it better than ETH 2.0? Or will they coincide together in a market like Coca Cola & Pepsi or like Uber & Ola or is 1 try to monopolise the whole market like Microsoft showing no mercy? Yes I see in charts alts ATH's looked similar to BTC ATH back in 2017 however alts charts now dont look like bitcoin charts now as the alts and btc looks like they have been decoupled. But alts LINK and XTZ charts look totally different and is looking similar to btc price action. Why is that? When you say alts like ADA & IOTA are still being developed, these coins have been on the market for past few years. How long does it take for a coin to fully develop or is it the matter of coincidence of mentioning & saving achievements or developments for the next timed bull run to attract new investors? Or is it that any coin blockchain tech requires lifetime updates like most existing tech so if that is the case then does achievements or announced developments becomes relevant? For example millions of Iphone users worldwide may get a prompt on screen for firmware update that doesnt surprise them as updates especially in technology doesnt surprise anyone anymore as its expected for tech to get outdated very quickly you know what I mean. Back in 2016 btc halving there was no economic gloom like today plus new fomo investors entered the cypto market in 2017. The circumstances now in 2020 compared to 2016/17 have totally changed so Im thinking who will be the new investors be with cash capital for the 2020/21 bull run and will alts beat their previous ATH's? |
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I truely admire your patience for holding those tokens for such long time. The decision is really up to you. It depends on whether you are lost or profited holding these coins for the last few years.
If I were you, I would sell or dump all of those tokens no matter if I loss or gain, except for Power ledger, Syscoin, Siacoin, Digibyte and 0x. Power ledger, Syscoin are famous for regular pump and dump. Check out the market frequently and sell them at nice prices. Likewise, Sia and Digibyte have increased a lot in the last few days, I don't understand why missed such great opportunities. Only the last one - 0x is a serious project with active developers and good for long term hold.
I guess you got those tokens/coins from bounties or airdrops. If you were to invest in altcoins, there are many more better choices for you. It's ETH with PoS to come, LINK or XTZ with top volumes on Binance or even a centralized shit like XRP (/USDT) would be a better option.
Okay Siacoin, Digibyte and 0x I will keep in mind but out of these three only 0x is still active with its developers? You sure Power ledger and Syscoin have regular pumps and dumps? As all I see is one ATH pump for both of these coins from the charts. You mean ETH will get Proof of Stake? So you suggest me adding LINK & XTZ & XRP to my portfolio. I understand XRP is popular however are LINK & XTZ active with its developers for the long term? You can find some activities on Siacoin or Digibyte but 0x is the worthiest coin to look into. Of course you only found one ATH for each coin in accordance with bitcoin's ATH in late 2017. Look at their tiny volumes on Binance and hourly chart then you can see how they were pumped and dumped with 20-30% range each time. Yes ETH will move to PoS, you can find more information here: https://github.com/ethereum/eth2.0-specs. I didn't highly recommend you to invest in such a centralized coin like XRP, it was just a comparison. Meanwhile, LINK and XTZ are two of the best emerging coins. Their volumes are always among top 10 on Binance. You can look into some more traditional coins like LTC, DASH or ZEC but I would go for XTZ and LINK for more profits, risks are higher too. Can new Altcoins that recently came into the cyptomarket that is 2019/20 surpass old established altcoins from through years back? Does the excitement of a new Altcoin entering the market always bring it in the top 100-200 rankings? I see the old altcoins from the list above being pushed back out of the top 100 rankings that they were originally in back in 2017?
Like I said above, XTZ (ranked 10th) and LINK (12th) are two new emerging coins that climbing onto top 10. Old coins with no new achievements will be kicked out. Some examples of kicked out old coins are NEO, IOTA, ADA... So the question is do new investors that entered the market recently that is 2019/20 will only invest in the New altcoins and see the old ones as outdated? It depends. Investors will invest in things they believe that will bring them profit. It could be bitcoin, new promising altcoins, old altcoins etc... Some old altcoins still mantain crowded community behind them. Being outdated doesn't mean they are worthless. The choice is yours to make, I think you should keep keeping the coins that appreciates in value after Bitcoin starts surging, I personally like coins that follows the market uptrend whenever such movement happens
Isnt only the popular altcoins that move with the btc uptrend? And rest of the lower cap or lower ranking altcoins get their time to shine when bitcoin price stabilises in a bull market? When bitcoin moves, altcoins follow its step. Problem is some altcoins follows faster, some slower. Top altcoins always closely follow bitcoin's movement. Yes, lower cap altcoins will be slower but not all of them shine when bitcoin stabalizes. Your first list seems a bad list and it needs to be removed from your list. I may think to replace it with better altcoins. it looks a better think to replace coins like ubiq or gulden with the solid coin like chainlink or another top 50 CMC.
It caused by those coins are bad coins.
Can the existing market caps of the top 50 ranking coins apart from the top 3 increase by at least 1000-10000% in the next promising bull run or is it only the risk penny stocks with lower market caps, lower rankings bring such rewards when a lot of volume goes into them? Generally, the lower the market cap is, the easier to pump. From my point of view, it's virtually impossible for a top 50 altcoin to increase by 1000%. Shit coins with tiny market caps tecnically can, but it's been a long time there's no such a coin increases that high after a few days. P.S: You'd better gather your multiple replies into one long post. You mentioned LINK & XTZ. I see LINK is a older coin from 2017 that managed to keep in the top 20 rankings. LINK is similar old age to the coins that im holding. Whats promising about LINK that separates it from the coins that im holding that managed to maintain its position in the top 20 through the past bear markets? I see LINK and XTZ are near ATH's now which is a bit risky for me as they might turn out to be like NEO, IOTA or ADA crashing to like 10 or 20 cents or something if this economic collapse brings another bear market. So why the likes of NEO, IOTA or ADA crashed but LINK and XTZ didnt? The visual difference I can see between them is NEO, IOTA & ADA look like pump and dump coins in the historical charts but LINK and XTZ historical charts look totally different. Bitcoin once looked like a pump and dump coin in 2018 but the current charts changed that outlook. So is it the matter of investing in old altcoins in top 100 that has no history of pump and dump in the charts? Lastly who will be the market participants be or who will the new investors be that will push the next altcoin bull run? And in the next altcoin bull run will we see new ATH's or will altcoins look like bitcoin charts now? Will the new investors for the next altcoin bull run be?: - Unemployed people from this economic collapse? - People or businesses with government bailed out cheques? - Middle class people who lost faith in Fiat money and like to hedge in crypto? Obviously they gotta buy BTC first before they trade it for altcoins. - Rich people or Businesses with capital who like hedge their fiat capital in crypto? - Big Mega Corporations & Governments who pushing for a cashless society? But then again they will have their own centralized coins or will they adopt the existing XRP coin? How does a centralised coin like XRP Ripple with all the hate its getting keep its no.3 ranking for past years and also through the bear markets? - Back in 2017 there was no economic collapse like today so im thinking who will be the new investors be coming in for the next altcoin bull run this year or next year or the year after that? Who is buying bitcoin now because it cant be the millions and millions of unemployed people who lost their jobs recently. Who has the capital nowadays thats buying bitcoin now? Back in 2017 there was FOMO with the masses general public in crypto. Now the masses public are unemployed so who will be the new FOMO people with capital to spend be? Hopefully with answers to above will help me decide whether to hodl or dump |
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We are about the start of another stronger bull of bitcoin like what we had in 2013 and 2017. Hence, this cannot be a right time to dump. Probably some time around 2018 might have been a right time for exit. I just want to talk from my observation with my cypto holding: I am going to keep on holding. I am a holder of dogecoins since 2014 and I hold LTC, MTC, waves and lisk.
All your coins/tokens may not get you profits as some may hit low value and then may get delisted from exchanges but at least 2 to 5 coins may get you good profits if you will be continuing your holding which may help you to recover your capital along with some profits.
Yeah what signs can we look out for or observe to predict the likelihood of the next Altcoin bull run like we had back in 2017/early 2018? What are the market signs that show Altcoins are not correlated to bitcoin price and will have its own bull run? Is it when bitcoin price stabilises but then again bitcoin is a volatile coin and not really stable for long periods of time meaning you have to catch the pumps with Altcoins quickly? Correct me if im wrong. Okay I may consider adding dogecoin, LTC, Waves and Lisk to my portfolio if they are genuine active projects that can survive bear markets. Yeah delisting sucks at exchanges. Its like getting your coins stolen as they get deleted. Apart from the popular coins like bitcoin and ether which coins you think will never get delisted from exchanges? Which 2-5 coins you think will make it big?
Augur and Ethereum classic are the more solid projects. About the others most of them probably doesn't even have a considerable volume to be traded back to btc.
I would sell all of them but a few ones, if those coins are still worth anything.
Can Ethereum be a threat to Ethereum classic? Which few ones you suggest I should hodl?
I understand how you feel if you hold coins or tokens for a very long time, I also feel that way, and are very frustrated, but looking at your list I think that it is a good project and there is no problem, we just wait until the altcoin season comes, keep HODL!
From the list I like to know which ones are genuine still active with its developers instead shit pump and dump coins? The last alt season was early 2017 to early 2018 for the ATH's. When do you think Alt season will come bringing new ATH's?
In general, it's really hard to give span of time for the questions that you are looking for answers. Are those coins that you hold are in dust amounts as of this time? or they can be considerably good amount of investment that's why you have them?
I guess you have diversified that much and forgot to focus for a specific coin that every crypto person must have. If you know what I talk about, do you hold bitcoin despite holding that lot of altcoins?
Can new Altcoins that recently came into the cyptomarket that is 2019/20 surpass old established altcoins from through years back? Does the excitement of a new Altcoin entering the market always bring it in the top 100-200 rankings? I see the old altcoins from the list above being pushed back out of the top 100 rankings that they were originally in back in 2017? So the question is do new investors that entered the market recently that is 2019/20 will only invest in the New altcoins and see the old ones as outdated?
The choice is yours to make, I think you should keep keeping the coins that appreciates in value after Bitcoin starts surging, I personally like coins that follows the market uptrend whenever such movement happens
Isnt only the popular altcoins that move with the btc uptrend? And rest of the lower cap or lower ranking altcoins get their time to shine when bitcoin price stabilises in a bull market?
It’s hard to say. The future of a coin is actually difficult to predict. Because many solid projects are scammed and left with various problems. We have seen such incidents before. A bull market can show you the light of hope. No one can say when the bull market will come. You should wait for the right time. Because when the bull market starts, the price of all coins will increase in a huge way.
You mean solid projects that have been abandoned due to bear markets or intentionally scam investors from the beginning when the coin is released?
Your first list seems a bad list and it needs to be removed from your list. I may think to replace it with better altcoins. it looks a better think to replace coins like ubiq or gulden with the solid coin like chainlink or another top 50 CMC.
It caused by those coins are bad coins.
Can the existing market caps of the top 50 ranking coins apart from the top 3 increase by at least 1000-10000% in the next promising bull run or is it only the risk penny stocks with lower market caps, lower rankings bring such rewards when a lot of volume goes into them? [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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I truely admire your patience for holding those tokens for such long time. The decision is really up to you. It depends on whether you are lost or profited holding these coins for the last few years.
If I were you, I would sell or dump all of those tokens no matter if I loss or gain, except for Power ledger, Syscoin, Siacoin, Digibyte and 0x. Power ledger, Syscoin are famous for regular pump and dump. Check out the market frequently and sell them at nice prices. Likewise, Sia and Digibyte have increased a lot in the last few days, I don't understand why missed such great opportunities. Only the last one - 0x is a serious project with active developers and good for long term hold.
I guess you got those tokens/coins from bounties or airdrops. If you were to invest in altcoins, there are many more better choices for you. It's ETH with PoS to come, LINK or XTZ with top volumes on Binance or even a centralized shit like XRP (/USDT) would be a better option.
Okay Siacoin, Digibyte and 0x I will keep in mind but out of these three only 0x is still active with its developers? You sure Power ledger and Syscoin have regular pumps and dumps? As all I see is one ATH pump for both of these coins from the charts. You mean ETH will get Proof of Stake? So you suggest me adding LINK & XTZ & XRP to my portfolio. I understand XRP is popular however are LINK & XTZ active with its developers for the long term? |
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I been holding these coins for a few years:
- Stakenet
- Blox
- Monetha
- SONM
- DigitalNote
- Gulden
- Quantum Resistant Ledger
- Ubiq
- Nexus
- All sports
- Gamecredits
- LBRY Credits
Which of the above are Genuine projects that were victims of the bear markets and will in a year or two will climb back up to the top 50-100 rankings in the next bull market? And which of these genuine projects had coin swaps or had been hard forked within the last few years?
I also been holding these coins for a few years too, the following coins have higher rank than the coins listed above:
- Power ledger
- NXT
- WAX
- Civic
- Bancor
- Syscoin
Which of the above are Genuine projects and will in a year or two will climb back up to the top 50 rankings in the next bull market? And which of these genuine projects had coin swaps or had been hard forked within the last few years?
Finally the last coins that I have been holding for the past few years are in the top 100 rankings:
- Golem
- Siacoin
- 0x
- Augur
- Bytom
- Nexo
- Verge
- Ethereum Classic
- Digibyte
- Tron (recently added to portfolio, will hodl obviously)
- Dogecoin (recently added to portfolio, will hodl obviously)
Which of the above are Genuine projects and will in a year or two will climb back up to the top 10 rankings in the next bull market? And which of these genuine projects had coin swaps or had been hard forked within the last few years? Or shall I assume these coins are genuine because they survived the bear markets for past couple of years and yet still maintaining that top 100 ranking?
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Trading view just lists anything traded on the British, American and other stock exchanges. It'll have a real estate etf for London at least if not the rest of the country...
Vanguard have a global real estate fund and that looks to have crashed quite a bit already, I'd personally hold off investments in real estate in the west for about 18 months as they have far to fall and I imagine they will...
London has its own Economy from the rest of the UK lol. Vanguard is UK or American? Does trading view list data/chart for real estate/house prices for the whole of UK not just London or do you know a site that display this data/chart for UK house prices? |
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Firstly in the Whole World are there just 5 Main Markets?
these are what i would consider the main asset classes: -equities (includes mutual funds and arguably traditional ETFs) -bonds -cash equivalents -real estate -commodities -cryptocurrencies -derivatives (includes futures and leveraged/inverse ETFs) -alternative investment assets (includes art, collectibles, private equity, hedge funds etc) Which one does Real Estate market fall under? it's in its own class. it can't be considered a commodity because commodities must be fungible/interchangeable, which real estate most certainly is not. sometimes people group real estate under the "alternative investment asset" umbrella. Any other good sites worth mentioning?
Trading view have pro and basic options but the basic free tier is enough for what you'd need starting out. +1 for tradingview. it has all the symbols you could ask for. the free account is sorta limiting though---they won't let you save more than 1 chart, so you have to keep switching symbols to track different markets. https://www.tradingview.com/gopro/#compare-plansOkay so Real Estate market is in its own class, a dedicated market? Does Tradingview or Investing.com show UK Real Estate data/charts? What other markets have we missed out on apart from the Black Markets? |
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Okay these sites dont entice you to subscribe or are they limited unless you pay at their paywall?
Any other good sites worth mentioning?
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Firstly in the Whole World are there just 5 Main Markets?:
- Equities
- Currencies
- Commodities
- Bonds
- Funds & ETF's
That can only be represented by Indices or Currencies? Any main markets I missed from list above?
Which one does Real Estate market fall under?
I understand Coinmarketcap and Coingecko are best popular market data sites for Crypto however which best free site allows a overall glance of the global markets?
Who are the top 10 richest actively day traders in the world and the top 10 richest actively long term investors in the world and do these top players share their portfolios to view and where do they go for their data or they have access to Insider Trading that the public dont?
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So this summarise; Bitcoin price went down because Long Term Investors Hodlers sold their bitcoins because they lost their jobs and needed to sell btc for paper fiat because they needed cash to pay for rent and pay for food to survive on? So the original capital cash these investors used to buy btc before the pandemic wasnt risk free capital to begin with?
Secondly this Coronavirus pandemic is a Black Swan Event for the markets. Do you guys see this black swan event as bullish or bearish and reasons why?
Thirdly there was a post earlier saying even if the virus goes away, markets wont make a V or U or W shape recovery resulting in recession or great depression? Why is that? Because of Irreversible economic damage that has been done?
What indicator confirms that bitcoin is stop correlated to the stock market or gold market?
Oil market reporting oil barrel costing -$37 meaning if I fill my truck or car with a barrel of oil the fuel station owes me $37. What is your take on this?
Also millions of Americans are unemployed meaning will they use their govt bailout cheques to buy btc or use it to pay for debt and bills? If paying for debts then who will be the buyers be for btc to push btc into a new bull market to $10k? The chinese, south korea or even Swedish buyers? These countries are not in lockdown.
Lastly I hear the vaccine is new revolutionary, a new design invention of vaccine designed by Bill Gates that contain a nano microchip inside the vaccine that takes a long time to Patent and a long time to mass produce the vaccine for the billions of people worldwide. Only profitable companies/organisation patent a product so other companies cannot copy their product or steal their idea. So I assume Bill Gates will make a lot of money from this Vaccine as he will have a monopoly on this vaccine like he did with computer microsoft windows operating systems. Whether its a vaccine or a E-Tattoo waiting for Patent approval I bet Bill Gates will say the Vaccine will require such technologies because they can track infections/viruses and report data back in real time and also report which people avoided the vaccine by scanning people.
Finally the governments are saying theres gonna be a wave 2 or several waves of the virus e.g. Covid-20 later this year or next year so of course governments worldwide will buy what Bill Gates is selling so governments and health departments can track the virus in real time and let people know exactly when to go into future lockdowns or what periods are safe to leave the house after vaccine has been injected into the masses.
All this makes sense that the revolutionary new type vaccine will take 12-18 months like the Governments said. The question is what will BTC market look like during the next 12-18 months?
Also when everybody takes the vaccine and theres no guarantee that the vaccine wont be outdated for the new strain covid-20 or futures waves of pandemics, similar to the flu vaccine that is outdated as the flu virus strain evolves every year to a new strain then how will the markets respond to future lockdowns and future exit lockdowns? This new nano particle vaccines and E-Tattoos just provides real time statistics to the governments and no guarantee of curing the infection or curing evolved new strains of covid-19, indicating governments will make the vaccine mandatory requiring injections every year to stay up to date against the virus so they will say future lockdowns will be avoided and everything will be back to normal if everyone get their regular yearly injections but for the people who refuse to take the vaccine as I bet half of you here on these forums will refuse it for your personal reasons, the government will blame the anti-vaxxers for future lockdowns or put anti-vaxxers only into lockdown.
Okay I can see markets are recovering on the bases of hoping lock-down restrictions are lifted and everything is back to normal by June.
However... Governments are saying there might be a 2nd wave of the virus later this year or next year. Will we experience another crash like we had in march when 2nd wave hits?
Some countries have eased lock-down but eased doesn't mean back to normal. Eased means there are still some restrictions in place. How will this affect markets and economy, is it in a volatile way? Also eased down lock-downs mean more people will get together and governments will say virus cases have gone back up relating to the 1st wave of the virus and proper lockdown will be re-introduced. Will markets and economy have a crash from this?
Also does shutting down businesses in lockdown and businesses re-opening in ease lockdown and shutting down again in 2nd lockdown on 2nd wave of the virus. What kind of damage this can do to a business or company where its open and closed for long durations during the year? Will companies increases prices to make up losses during the shutdown periods?
Government will say the only way to end these type of disruptions is a vaccine. Only after a vaccine then we will see a proper recovery of the markets right?
Whats your take on this? I have a feeling it wont be simply a U or V shape recovery. Its gonna be volatile like M or W until a vaccine right? If theres no vaccine and theres a 2nd wave then it will be L game over for the markets, but where does bitcoin stands?
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for example if I want to pay for my coffee or groceries using bitcoin on my phone connected to 5G then will 5G block the payment leaving me no choice but to use the government centralised digital coins or tokens?
Yeah, it will also scan your body and if they realize you don't have an uptodate chip with your social commitments to the NWO a drone will be dispatched to... dispatch you If somebody would want to block transactions they don't need 5G for that. Packet sniffing can happen on anything, even on 3G or 4G or the McDonalds free wifi (which surprisingly some use to access the forum).  For example if whatsapp want to censor the word Bitcoin in messages then the 5g network can process that without WhatsApp AI servers doing it.
Nope and also none of the above. You're understanding something wrong, attributing some magical power to a technology and a protocol. It's like asking if the blockchain can stop you from buying marijuana over the dark web. Because it would be the most efficient, and effective way to attack, and stop Bitcoin, and remove censorship-resistance, its main value-proposition.
Most efficient? Lol...what about transactions done via cable? I told you a hundred times, rather than going to all this trouble of finding blocking solutions when not even 0.1% of the population has 5g ready phones and nobody knows how many bitcoiners are actually making transactions over 5g or will ever make one (I for one have no wallet right now on my phone), they can simply ban usage. 40 years in prison for engaging in anything related to bitcoin. In two days after the US and EU do this, the crypto space will be a wasteland. Stop trying to envision sci-fi scenarios and mysterious conspirations, if they want to stop it they won't be doing it by sniffing mobile data. The Governments managed to synchronised together and get 3 billion people in Lockdown though. It seems the whole world lockdown is done by 1 centralised world government with countries following orders. So imagine what they can do Bitcoin if they decide to ban it. And if such event happens then what can the bitcoiners do? If government can do this on a huge scale in little time then |
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Current cell towers already have cpus? There are fewer towers due to frequencies but 5g might not need as powerful cpus either per tower...
Most data is encrypted end to end too... WhatsApp is encrypted with only the sender, receiver, server, and whoever the server distributes it to. Censoring private messages is nothing western governments should really tolerate.
The 5glte, 5g+, 5g super high performance may come out, but I don't know how likely it is to not have a continuously evolving set of standards..
In the UK 5g with Vodafone started at about 40 mbps and three at about 20, already Vodafone has advanced to 150mbps so I imaging this'll just continue. The more towers the better the coverage is probably the way they'll go, 5g compatible devices are compatible up to 10gbps and there may be a point where it needs extending further but for now that isn't necessary.
I hear 5G towers are less power consumption in compared to 4G however the new 5G frequencies are super high and fast but shortwave by nature meaning the signal is powerful but cant travel far. Dont know what kind of cpu's in the 5G towers. Can these cpu's or frequencies decrypt encrypted data real time or impossible?
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So will 5G have a upgrade in few years time to 5G MAX or 5G+ or 5G ultimate or whatever they wanna call it?
Do these mid life upgrades require new hardware masts/satellites/towers?
I don't know about 5G for sure but I do know that Elon Musk's Starlink is going to be upgraded in a matter of years and I believe it's going to be on-the-fy (or over-the-air). Isn't it a bit nonsense to bring up satellites, towers etc and then having to physically get some other hardware to upgrade the network? If I think it logically, it's probably a matter of time and hitting a certain goal. Once Elon Musk has all his satellites up and running, he's probably going to tune them all to the max power. If so, I assume the same will happen to 5G hardware too. ~
Lastly coming onto Bitcoin Risks with the 5G being rolled out everywhere as we speak. Like discussed above if 5G can do some smart processing on its own independently then can the Government use the 5G network to ban Bitcoin Payments done outside the home if phone is connected to 5G? For example if I want to pay for my coffee or groceries using bitcoin on my phone connected to 5G then will 5G block the payment leaving me no choice but to use the government centralised digital coins or tokens?
Why would they specifically use 5G to ban BTC payments? If they want to ban it, they'd legally do it through regulations so you won't be able to use it to pay for your coffee/groceries anymore. Moreover, if 5G was the way they wanted to block BTC, that means you could bypass the ban by using Wi-Fi.. so if you're expecting the govs to block it, then expect something straight & forward and fool-proof regulations. If Elon Musk sending all those 5G satellites into space to beam to earth 5g frequencies then what use are the 5G towers down on earth then? Yes its possible to overcome the ban with wi-fi then that means you cant spend bitcoin outdoors at the shops then right?
While i don't know technical details of 5G, packet analysis (the more advance version, which is deep packet inspection) already used by government and ISP to track you or/and sell your data. You don't need 5G to do it.
As long as end-to-end encryption are legal and your connection uses end-to-end encryption, you don't need worry your Bitcoin transaction getting blocked.
However, some country plans to make end-to-end encryption illegal or make it's not really end-to-end encryption (e.g. forcing companies to give government encryption key or the software must send the data/metadata to government before encryption/after decryption).
The example is EARN IT by US government.
TLDR : there's no real risks towards Bitcoin from 5G technology.
But 5G will ramp up data collection and privacy issues tracking as I assume 5G can process more than 4G and this Internet of Things IOT relies on the 5G infrastructure right? The next stage for bitcoin is the lightning infrastructure right? So how will BTC & Lightining go well with 5G and IOT? [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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So it looks like Bitcoin is correlated to the stock markets.
But Gold market however is looking to reach a new ATH now.
So shall we assume if Gold comes down in price then BTC will go up?
Why cant BTC be a independent market like Gold?
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Okay firstly lets clarify the wireless frequency tech:
Is 5G just bandwidth where it just carries dumb data packets via frequencies to smart devices requesting it or has the 5G network protocol has advanced from previous wireless tech where the 5G towers/satellites or even 5G frequencies can do any sort of advanced smart processing data like a cpu processor in a computer? Meaning the dumb raw data has been processed by 5G before it even reaches the 5G smart devices that all have cpu processors in them anyway? For example if whatsapp want to censor the word Bitcoin in messages then the 5g network can process that without whatsapp AI servers doing it.
If there is any sort of smart processing by the 5G frequencies then how is 5G different to Neural Networks that uses Smart Human Brain type of processing?
Lastly I remember each wireless tech had a mid life upgrade like 3G had a mid life upgrade to HSDPA. Then 4G to 4G LTE or 4G+.
So will 5G have a upgrade in few years time to 5G MAX or 5G+ or 5G ultimate or whatever they wanna call it?
Do these mid life upgrades require new hardware masts/satellites/towers?
Lastly coming onto Bitcoin Risks with the 5G being rolled out everywhere as we speak. Like discussed above if 5G can do some smart processing on its own independently then can the Government use the 5G network to ban Bitcoin Payments done outside the home if phone is connected to 5G? For example if I want to pay for my coffee or groceries using bitcoin on my phone connected to 5G then will 5G block the payment leaving me no choice but to use the government centralised digital coins or tokens?
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