EDIT: Okay, fuck me. There really aren't any hidden terms, it's a 0.5 BTC risk-free bet. Didn't expect this  You can make a $4,500 risk free bet? How does this work? There was a promo yesterday from 6pm - Midnight EST with Baccarat, 100% loss back up to .5 it's over now though. There were no strings though. |
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Any update on a Linux or HTML client for the site? Just doing my annual check-in.  Don't hold your breath.  |
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Honestly, signing a message doesn't prove anything except that they know someone who has 43 BTC and they're willing to pay the transaction fee to move it to a separate wallet and sign on Betcoin's behalf. It doesn't prove that Betcoin owns the wallet.
However, their refusal to sign tells me that the funds are not segregated (if they exist at all). What is the harm in signing a message when it doesn't really show anything? Nothing, unless 1) you can't actually come up with 43 BTC, even if it doesn't belong to you or 2) they don't want to show an address that had its balance go from zero to 43 BTC a couple days ago because that would show that the funds hadn't been segregated all along.
The only way that Betcoin can "prove" anything is by shipping 43 BTC to the BBJ winner. To be honest, all of this delay is probably because they're having issues with the code that will let them pre-select the BBJ winner so that they can redistribute the funds among themselves at a later date while not having technically "stolen" anything.
Betcoin does not code the poker software. The software is provided by IG Soft, the same people who do the software for all other WPN skins. We do have have access to any of the code, which is a big part of why we were unable to get the exact figures for the original BBJ payout method. We expect poker to launch very soon, possible even today and the new BBJ rules will be stated. The funds are ready to be paid out to the winners. Honestly, signing a message doesn't prove anything except that they know someone who has 43 BTC and they're willing to pay the transaction fee to move it to a separate wallet and sign on Betcoin's behalf. It doesn't prove that Betcoin owns the wallet.
However, their refusal to sign tells me that the funds are not segregated (if they exist at all). What is the harm in signing a message when it doesn't really show anything? Nothing, unless 1) you can't actually come up with 43 BTC, even if it doesn't belong to you or 2) they don't want to show an address that had its balance go from zero to 43 BTC a couple days ago because that would show that the funds hadn't been segregated all along.
The only way that Betcoin can "prove" anything is by shipping 43 BTC to the BBJ winner. To be honest, all of this delay is probably because they're having issues with the code that will let them pre-select the BBJ winner so that they can redistribute the funds among themselves at a later date while not having technically "stolen" anything.
Betcoin does not code the poker software. The software is provided by IG Soft, the same people who do the software for all other WPN skins. We do have have access to any of the code, which is a big part of why we were unable to get the exact figures for the original BBJ payout method. We expect poker to launch very soon, possible even today and the new BBJ rules will be stated. The funds are ready to be paid out to the winners. You forgot to respond to the signed message stuff. Does IGSoft have all the money too? |
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zzzzzz: You're clueless. Its quite funny.
11:47pmtwitchyseal: kinda rude man
11:47pm zzzzzz: Don't say my name :)
11:47pm zzzzzz: I said dont speak to me.
11:47pm zzzzzz: Also, not my fault you dont know how to sign a message.
11:47pmtwitchyseal: i do
11:47pm zzzzzz: If youd like some help shoot me a message 21.co/machen
11:48pm BigThangz: ReRun expects nordstroms service while he service up Walmart products
11:48pm zzzzzz: Whats wrong with `# signmessage ? ` bhahahaha
11:48pm zzzzzz: what a noob
11:57pmtwitchyseal: hey zzzzzzz after you learn how basic encryption works/how you can sign a message with a bitcoin address, you should check out relational databases - much better option than spreadsheets
11:58pmtwitchyseal: take your time on the signing messages blog though
12:01am zzzzzz: twitchyseal, Im not going to ask you again. Do not speak directly to me.
12:01am zzzzzz: You have no need to speak to me. You can speak with support.
12:02amtwitchyseal: I'm glad you won't ask me again, you've asked me at least 10 times just today
12:02amtwitchyseal: still curious though, why?
12:03am zzzzzz: Look -- If you dont listen to the mods there will be consequences. Got it?
12:03am zzzzzz: End of conversation.
12:03am zzzzzz: Do not speak to me.
12:03amtwitchyseal: no
12:03am zzzzzz: /closes rhetorical statement
12:03amtwitchyseal: I will not stop speaking to you zzzzzz
12:03am zzzzzz: For those that wish to play poker and enjoy the experience.. direct your attention to twitchy who is now delaying efforts.
12:03amtwitchyseal: have I made myself clear?
12:04am zzzzzz: You forget.. You dont run anything here twitchy.
12:04am zzzzzz: This isnt your house to be disrespectful in.
12:04amtwitchyseal: whos house is it?
12:04am zzzzzz: Do not speak to me.
12:04amtwitchyseal: you are such a liar zzzzzz
12:05amtwitchyseal: zzzzzz: twitchyseal, Im not going to ask you again. Do not speak directly to me.
12:05amtwitchyseal: (3 minutes later)
12:05amtwitchyseal: zzzzzz: Do not speak to me.
12:05amtwitchyseal: stop speaking if you don't want to be spoken to
12:06am zzzzzz: http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/question.htm
12:07am zzzzzz: Note to players: Don't tell the mods to stop talking.
12:08amtwitchyseal: unless they don't want to be talked to
12:08amtwitchyseal: then you should probably tell them |
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lol twitchyseal: It's a very simple request
13:58pmtwitchyseal: and surely you realize refusing to prove you have the funds will not look good
13:56pm Support David: I understand your view on it and you have that right and feel free to continue asking. I am just trying to give you a transparent answer.
12:58pm zzzzzz: Rays8888 its only been hit once that was a few years ago. You can see the article that all this hoopla is here: https://www.betcoin.ag/apology-bad-beat-jackpot-distribution-and-discussion-future-betcoinag
12:58pm zzzzzz: +1 D
13:59pmtwitchyseal: So the reason Betcoin won't sign a message proving they have the 43BTC jackpot is " Caving into every demand sets a bad precedent. "
13:59pmtwitchyseal: ?
9:59amRays8888: ohhh so it was hit for 43BTC, but now shit got all shady?
13:59pmtwitchyseal: no, ray
13:58pm Support David: I am pretty sure you are well aware we have considerably more than 43 BTC. People have won and lost that in 1 day here.
14:0pmtwitchyseal: they shut down poker on Christmas and made a statement saying they wouldn't be honoring the BBJP
14:0pmtwitchyseal: they they apologized and said they would be distributing the BBJP to players based on what they contributed the first week in Jan
10:1amRays8888: how much had been paid into it?
10:1amRays8888: oh i see
13:1pm zzzzzz: You can google twitchyseal if you want to see his campaign on hate of betcoin.. Ive been here since Dec 2013 and payouts have always been made... New owners tookever and paying out the BBJ wasnt properly discussed until after the fact. Now they are deaaling with the headache.
14:1pmtwitchyseal: then they said they would be posting new BBJP rules on Jan 22 reopening the poker room on Jan 26
14:1pmtwitchyseal: now it's Feb 1
13:1pm zzzzzz: Week of
13:2pm zzzzzz: Then provided several updates as to the delays.
13:2pm zzzzzz: Again, twitchy just showing his ass.
14:0pm Support David: We are going as fast as we can, Twitchy. No reason to drag this out. As you can imagine that wait is not pleasant for us either
13:2pm zzzzzz: ^
14:2pmtwitchyseal: no need to be rude zzz
14:1pm Support David: The latest I have heard is that several staff members will be testing the poker today for bugs. It should open shortly after
10:3amRays8888: something like 40% of the worlds population lives on less than 3 dollars a day, we all here are ok
13:3pm zzzzzz: no need to speak my name twitchyseal. Stop using it or Ill request ban.
13:3pm zzzzzz: True rays
14:3pmtwitchyseal: request ban zzz
14:3pmtwitchyseal: they appreciate me
13:3pm zzzzzz: Why so you can cry that you were banned for bringing the truth?
10:3amRays8888: the fact that we can just throw away money in hopes of winning some sum so we can buy more bs we dont need
13:3pm zzzzzz: Instead of banned for not following moderator requests/
14:4pmtwitchyseal: lol
13:4pm zzzzzz: Thanks for understanding. Don't say my name here in chat or on the forums any further. Thanks! Final warning.
14:4pmtwitchyseal: zzz
13:4pm zzzzzz: ^children
14:4pmtwitchyseal: chill out bro
13:5pm zzzzzz: Thanks for understanding. Don't say my name here in chat or on the forums any further. Thanks! Final warning.
13:5pm zzzzzz: I am not your bro.
14:5pmtwitchyseal: there's no rule against saying zzzzzz
14:3pm Support David: Anyone have any additional questions before I go?
13:5pm zzzzzz: Process ETH cashout please?
13:5pm zzzzzz: Theres a pending!
14:5pmtwitchyseal: Can you please unmod zzzzzz?
13:5pm zzzzzz: Thanks for understanding. Don't say my name here in chat or on the forums any further. Thanks! Final warning.
10:5amRays8888: ive been on 5+ sportsbook and always been paid, i believe some offshore sportsbook/casinos give their jackpots to their sons for their annual stipend isnt new news to me, as long as what i request in payout is paid, whatever, world dun been corrupt
14:5pmtwitchyseal: powertrip
14:4pm Support David: Done, zzzzzz
14:5pmtwitchyseal: ty
13:6pm zzzzzz: world dun been corrupt |
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twitchyseal: david, will Betcoin sign a message to prove they have the BBJP funds?
Support David: The BBJ will payout automatically, so all necessary funds are will allocated to it, as it could hit any time
twitchyseal: Cool, will Betcoin sign a message to prove they have the BBJP funds please?
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Do you have any proof they have a license? Yes, I have proof they have a license. Found the proof when I made an investigation after Jasonort contacted me and asked for help. Could you please share the proof? |
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There is no mention of Betcoin anywhere on the link you provided (which is your website). TwitchySeal on pokerfraudalert radio: "I believe..." I don't think Betcoin has a license. If they did, it would say so on their own website, right? No, you can see that even without a license and a lot of fraud, there were able to find enough depositors and were able to defraud 100s of Bitcoins = $ millions! If they would state a license on their scam website, then you would have some parties to sue. Yes, I agree, if you consider that 99,9% of the brain washed victims are not willing to spend anything to enforce their claim, there is not really the necessity to hide it. But I think they want to hide the operator, because it would hurt the image of the trade mark. Do you have any proof they have a license? I am pretty sure they don't. |
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There is no mention of Betcoin anywhere on the link you provided (which is your website). I don't think Betcoin has a license. If they did, it would say so on their own website, right? |
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That's a link to your own site. I used your words: Do not click on his links (which will just bring you to his shitty website) We are discussing Betcoin. Do you have evidence that Betcoin has a license? You say they do, I say they don't. Just show me the license. |
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I guess I could be wrong. If you have valid evidence I'd be happy to admit so. You can find their license on the shitty website. No, I can't. Could you please show me. Last hint: Curacao licensing scam operatorsThat's a link to your own site. If Betcoin has a license, please just show me where it's mentioned. I am pretty confident they don't have a license. Prove me wrong. |
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- The bad beat jackpot is fully funded and ready to go and the new poker team is very excited about being able to offer this as a great opportunity to the players among many other new features and promotions. It will be very exciting and our core team will not be a part of it but we will certainly assist in marketing and advertising.
Now I trust your words, but I trust my own eyes even more. Telling me it's there is fine and all, showing me it's there is another thing. Sign a message, proof you actually do hold the 43 BTC in a seperated wallet, designated to be used for the BBJ. That way, you'll put an end to all the questions about it and can focus on actually bringing stuff online and paying things back. So I asked for the signed message proving they have the BBJP funds, got some pretty crazy responses. I don't even know what to say...  twitchyseal: hey zzz, do you think Betcoin will be willing to sign message proving they have the BBJP funds ?
zzzzzz: I wouldnt advise them to - I mean why would we? Not smart... but its not like we dont do more than that daily.
twitchyseal: what are the pros and cons of signing a message
twitchyseal: proving you have the 43 BTC segregated
zzzzzz: what are the pros and cons of loading 40+ btc onto a wallet?
zzzzzz: What a nub.
zzzzzz: lol hes been making me laugh but just thought I should say... wtf would they show you him the money... I bet if it was someone else asking I woudnt be all... 🤮
zzzzzz: This dude has no idea how bitcoin works obviously |
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I guess I could be wrong. If you have valid evidence I'd be happy to admit so. You can find their license on the shitty website. No, I can't. Could you please show me. |
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Just out of curiosity-
Are the casino games at betcoin.ag the same as the ones at: dashcasino.ag, litecoincasino.ag, RippleCasinoAG.....
Those are all run by the same people as Betcoin.
So I asked for the signed message proving they have the BBJP funds, got some pretty crazy responses. I don't even know what to say... twitchyseal: hey zzz, do you think Betcoin will be willing to sign message proving they have the BBJP funds ?
zzzzzz: I wouldnt advise them to - I mean why would we? Not smart... but its not like we dont do more than that daily.
twitchyseal: what are the pros and cons of signing a message
twitchyseal: proving you have the 43 BTC segregated
zzzzzz: what are the pros and cons of loading 40+ btc onto a wallet?
zzzzzz: What a nub.
zzzzzz: lol hes been making me laugh but just thought I should say... wtf would they show you him the money... I bet if it was someone else asking I woudnt be all... 🤮
zzzzzz: This dude has no idea how bitcoin works obviously |
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Was going to see if sportsbet.io site had any promotions going for the Superbowl and might try my luck with them, since everybody is wagering a little on their favorite team to win.  But was wondering why you don't have them down for using during this match. Might I ask why? I only see the three bitcoin casinos in the above post at the top of this thread's page. Do you not recommend using them even for one bet on this special day in the sportsbetting world?  Sportsbet currently offers 100% cashback: Bitcasino Sportsbet get all your deposits back for past 5 years!Should definitely worth a try. If you win, leave and if you lose demand your deposits back! As much as I disagree with Peeps behavior, Game-protect makes Peeps look like an angel. Do not trust Games-protect. Do not click on his links (which will just bring you to his shitty website) Do not take him up on any offers. Do not waste your time. |
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- The bad beat jackpot is fully funded and ready to go and the new poker team is very excited about being able to offer this as a great opportunity to the players among many other new features and promotions. It will be very exciting and our core team will not be a part of it but we will certainly assist in marketing and advertising.
Now I trust your words, but I trust my own eyes even more. Telling me it's there is fine and all, showing me it's there is another thing. Sign a message, proof you actually do hold the 43 BTC in a seperated wallet, designated to be used for the BBJ. That way, you'll put an end to all the questions about it and can focus on actually bringing stuff online and paying things back. Enough is enough. Just in the past month, you've broken your word far too many times. It's time to prove that you have segregated and control the funds for the BBJP. I will not let this go. |
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Edit: Upon reading his other posts, they're all just random immature raging at pretty much every BTC poker site - so it doesn't appear to be a SwC/Betcoin/Ntrogen/etc problem as much as it seems to be a mental health issue. Given that, I'm not trying to be mean and hope you can get the help you need. That's because every one of them has had problems. Tell me Betcoin doesn't have a problem. That's the biggest goddamn problem site (and of huge notoriety) I know of, save for 999dice. Tell me NitrogenSports didn't have a huge and ignored collusion issue that they decided to not give a shit about. Even after Sadsong and I exposed dozens of colluders on the site, I still saw one of the first ones listed playing in a tournament as if nothing had happened. As for SwC, we're on the thread. You can backtrack.
Bitcoin poker has suffered. Yes, you've explained my position very eloquently, thank you. Bitcoins are good. Poker is good. Bitcoin poker, right now, is bad. I want bitcoin poker to be good. If bitcoin poker is good, I make lots of money. Pointing out flaws that sites have and giving potential solutions is good. Spreading FUD and trying to pretend that a site with 3 active players is thriving is bad. Thank you DDays and ActMyName for articulating (better than I could) what I've been thinking for so long. I want Cyrpto Poker to thrive. It will thrive. It really sucks that currently Crypto Poker is exclusively run by either incompetent people, scumbags or incompetent scumbags. We shouldn't give up though. I have a dream! |
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Users that complain about Merits or Trust or Rank or whatever should just be snap added to the signature campaign blacklist for a long time. Fuck them.
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I hope OG doesn't red tag me for posting this...EVERYTHING about it screams ponzi
There is nothing Ponzi about NastyFans. If you continue to spread libel statements with no evidence and do not correct your prior ones, I will red tag you for spreading lies about provably honest community projects. More trust abuse for calling you out on facts huh? Really outstanding work as a DT1 Member. I'm sure that's going to work great for you down the road....  I have little respect or patience for liars. NastyFans is not a Ponzi and this is provable. If someone says it is a Ponzi, they are a liar and shouldn’t be trusted. Not sure what about that concept you don’t grasp. How many people did you collect money from to invest in Pirateat's massive ponzi scheme? No neg rep for Pirateat though... |
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You guys really need to get a life. I get so tired of stating the below.
<snip bunch of bullshit crap as always>
Liar. What's new. Who's paying for your swimming pool maintenance, or your electricity at your home? Who paid for your solar panels? (I know, why can't you explain it??) You literally don't address anything - You just spew your "alternative facts"... Are you Donald Fucking Trump, or KellyAnn Conjob?  Anyhow, start addressing the questions above and maybe you'll tread your way out of the mess you have dug yourself into. I can prove he abuses the trust system.
What's to prove? Look at the rating he left me a month ago... It's actually much worst than any damage he has done to a single user. OgNasty joined this forum: June 04, 2011, 08:23:23 PM As of July 2016, he had literally ZERO negative trusts sent or received - trusted or untrusted. From 2011 until Summer 2016, he bullied anyone and everyone who dared leave him negative trust into removing it. He didn't even leave negative trust for the people who ran ponzi schemes that he convinced other people to invest in. Then he got some neg trust that he couldn't bully away - since then he seems to have gone from "let me use my status to preserve my 'perfect record' " to "it's open season on these bitches" I'd love to share more details, can dig up tons of links and screenshots if anyones interested. Considering that this is a Scam Accusation thread against OgNasty, I'm actually interested. I've seen him post around the forums, but have never run into the whole NastyPool offering that this topic was started about, but I have to say that I've been exploring his post history and trust history and their references, and holy hell. I feel like I'm in high school all over again
I hope OG doesn't red tag me for posting this, but as an outsider with a 3rd party point of view, I'm more inclined to believe that anything related to NastyFans is a sham without any real services or products that benefit a user from joining. EVERYTHING about it screams ponzi, which is okay as long as the person entering the pool/club/charity understand that what they're "donating" to is, in fact, a ponzi that relies on the promotions and dedicated work of its members (bringing in more members) to be able to realize a "return" on their "donation". I don't know when this became so convoluted, but I had to take a break on page 51 of the NastyFans thread. I'll get back to finishing it later so I could provide some more of my input, but my oh my... what an interesting read so far.
You guys really need to get a life. I get so tired of stating the below.
1) I don't run NastyFans.
2) I buy seats and am a regular member like everyone else (I just bought 25 more yesterday).
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This is just my opinion, but that's exactly like my position in an offshore corporation that I am a part of. I don't own the corporation; I'm just a board member of the corporation, but I do get this nifty little plastic card that allows me to make purchases and I'm also allowed to send emails and make phone calls with people regarding the best interest of said corporation. But I don't own it, nor do I run it. I'm just a regular ol' member of the corporation. Just sayin'. Might take me 24 hours, but will go through my history with OgNasty and try my best to explain exactly what happened as accurately as possible. In the mean time check out the trust I left Og and also the trust Luptin left him in the mean time, including references. |
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