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4781  Other / Meta / Re: Long-term Offers Ponzi warning on: September 03, 2012, 09:54:59 PM
Which boards?
4782  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
I think it's good to have credit ratings stickied. As far as I know, Patrick is currently the only person publishing credit ratings. If more people publish them, I'll unsticky Patrick's topic and create a new sticky which links to all of the credit rating topics.
4783  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
I added a warning to the top of every topic in "long-term offers".
4784  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 03:38:15 AM
Utterly disgraceful.

Thanks for the detailed rebuttal.
4785  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 03:32:51 AM
Is this why you took part in pirate's ponzi scheme? Because you thought it would be fun? Did you "earn" any "interest" from it?

It was fun, and still is! I have several bets and other deals related to the final outcome, which I'm excited to see resolved (hopefully in my favor). Ponzi schemes are a much more fun way of gambling than Satoshi's Dice, that's for sure.

I did win some BTC, which is rightfully mine. Pirateat40 is guilty of lying about the rules of the game, but the players are innocent. If a casino rigs a game, you wouldn't blame those players who made a profit (even if they may have guessed that the game was rigged) -- you blame the casino.

I never promoted BS&T, and I posted several times that I thought it was a Ponzi.

You see, your honor, I am just the landlord of the crackhouse. Yes, I fully knew what went on there, but my property served only as a "platform."

If I was only worried about morality instead of legality, that's exactly what I'd say. Nothing wrong with a crackhouse as long as there's no violence. I don't advocate doing drugs (I personally don't consume alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, or illegal drugs), but if people want to buy potentially dangerous drugs, that's their business.

This argument is equivalent to whether I should:
- Ban crackhouses entirely on my property. As a proponent of freedom, I would prefer not to do this.
- Determine which crackhouses may add poisons to drugs and ban them or put signs in front of them. This takes extra work and expertise that I'm not willing to deal with.
- Categorize the crackhouses based on how close to market levels their prices are, which may indicate the safety of the drugs sold there.

Wink
4786  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 02:31:57 AM
Bitcointalk shouldnt be actively promoting or encouraging HYIP schemes.

The forum doesn't promote anything. This is a platform for discussion.

Themos thinks ponzis are jolly good. He used to peddled one some time ago. Don't count on him to do anything but continue facilitating these scams.

That was a fun site which published all of the rules. No one was scammed there. I even called it a Ponzi scheme in my signature...
4787  Local / Русский (Russian) / Re: Additional moderator needed on: September 03, 2012, 02:26:00 AM
I don't worry about conflicts of interest too much. Moderators will hopefully do the right thing no matter what, but I can undo any damage a moderator does if this fails.
4788  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 01:57:20 AM
I'm embarrassed by 'Long Term Offers'

Why? If people want to throw away their money, I don't want to get in the way. That's what I said before BS&T crashed, and I feel exactly the same now. Perhaps in the future there will be a few borrowers that are legitimately providing enough value to the Bitcoin economy to offer such high interest rates.

I certainly don't want the forum to get into the business of identity verification or deciding whether businesses are legitimate or suspicious. Someone else should do that.

I have several problems with categorization based on interest rates:

- People can just as easily create low-interest Ponzi schemes as high-interest ones.
- If there are too few categories, legitimate investments might be categorized with the scams. If there are too many, each section (especially the intermediate ones) will receive fewer readers. Borrowers would be incentivized to standardize on certain rates.
- When investments have differing interest rates for different types of accounts (like BS&T did), where should they go?
- Interest rates in BTC are currently higher than USD interest rates, and they will increase over time due to deflation, so it's difficult to guess the best ranges to use for the categories.

So I tend to think that doing nothing would be better than adding interest-based categorization. Third-parties can do their own categorization and accreditation. We can link to these third-parties in stickies.

Securities scares me because in the USA there are strict laws with even TALKING about securities.

I know, I know, Congress is supposed to make no law abridging freedom of speech. I worry that won't stop the SEC from seizing the bitcointalk.org domain name for promoting unlicensed securities.

I think a separate top-level domain for everything under the Marketplace heading would be the right thing to do.

It'd be easier to just move the whole forum to a new domain name. I don't really want to move it a fourth time, though...
4789  Other / Off-topic / Re: Breaking bad broken on: September 02, 2012, 01:09:43 PM
I stopped watching after the second season. All of the characters became unrelatable, and it seemed that the writers ran out of good ideas and started making up nonsense.

The first season was good. Reminds me of Prison Break, which also had a good first season and tons of terrible additional episodes that should not have been made.
4790  Other / Meta / Re: Link to my twitter account removed from my sig?? on: September 02, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
As I recall, certain URL 'masks/shorteners' have been disallowed on the forum in certain areas, due to blind link spam threats.

That's only for newbies.
4791  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 02, 2012, 01:26:47 AM
How about having two categories of subfora: "New Schemes" and "Proven Models"? Any investment scheme has to be vetted through the "New Schemes" forum first via user base voting and reaction over the course of a few months. That's reasonably long enough to be able to gauge the overall honesty of the players running the show. If they prove to be for real, then they can post in the "Proven Models" forum.

IOW, any new investment idea HAS to be posted in "New Schemes" so we can all keep an eye on it rather than burden admins with the task. After the community knows they're for real, they can post to "Proven Model". It's not scamproof or foolproof by any means, but it might help a little.

Pirate would have made it to "proven models"... It was around for a long time and had the support of a lot of highly-respected members.

I don't want the forum itself to tell readers what to think. Readers should make up their own minds.
4792  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 02, 2012, 01:09:19 AM
The easiest way to weed out all the scams would be to require lenders to provide proof of identity, location, current employment etc etc

Yeah. But have third-parties do this and accredit the investments.
4793  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 02, 2012, 01:08:42 AM
this is not the correct name for high-interest borrowing scams

The section is for long-term offers, not just HYIPs.

Having forum staff decide whether specific investments are dangerous is definitely something I don't want. Exact rules for what constitutes a HYIP could be defined, but services that don't meet the HYIP definition probably won't be that much safer than HYIPs. And interest rates in the Bitcoin ecosystem are much higher than traditional interest rates, so it's difficult to determine the correct limit. I think a policy of caveat emptor makes the most sense.
4794  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: sendmany float precision issue in php on: August 31, 2012, 11:23:17 PM
I'm pretty sure Bitcoin accepts scientific notation.
4795  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Membergroups; or: Why do some users get colored coins under their names? on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:54 PM
This has extended to another moderator:
Blitz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4475


That was always the case for Blitz. He preferred the "donator" title over "staff".
4796  Local / Русский (Russian) / Additional moderator needed on: August 31, 2012, 08:19:57 PM
Another moderator is needed for the Russian section. Who should be made moderator?
4797  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 49 on: August 31, 2012, 06:33:38 PM
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4798  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 49 on: August 31, 2012, 05:56:23 PM
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4799  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Number of Transaction Confirmations Needed on: August 31, 2012, 05:40:42 PM
If a block must be found for a single confirmation, then assuming a constant network hashing rate, each transaction is confirmed six times per hour. Due to difficulty being adjusted to counter changes in the network hashing rate, the number of confirmations per hour will always remain near six. Is this correct?

It's always somewhere near six, though it's not too rare for a confirmation to take an hour or just a few minutes.
4800  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Number of Transaction Confirmations Needed on: August 31, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
It's illegal to spend a generation transaction until it has 100 confirmations. The network disallows it. For other transactions, the recipient can choose how many confirmations to require.
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