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481  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Free Money for Everyone on: July 30, 2017, 01:58:22 PM
Universal knowledge for everyone  Grin

Facebook is not contributing that much to this :p
482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Politics & Society: How far deep are we in the Skinner Box right now? on: July 30, 2017, 01:48:31 PM
Designing Games for Ethics: Models, Techniques and Frameworks

https://books.google.fr/books?id=yqNeVKZbCiwC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=jonathan+blow+evolution&source=bl&ots=-V7HjDkClj&sig=0nYmenW6szuAn1K4Psw4UT5T8sU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi028P96ZLVAhXLAcAKHcciDg44ChDoAQhbMBI#v=onepage&q&f=false

Smiley
483  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 30, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
You lack critical thinking

You lack self expression.
Care to elaborated?

If you are referring to the dinos, then I'm just sceptical of the "scientists" ability to come up with whole dinosaur sceletons based on a a few single bones.


A few bones? You think we only have a few dinosaur fossils? Even creationists agree that dinosaurs existed. You lack critical thinking because you read an article somewhere and you believed it.

Just like you do, full of stereotype and pre made idea about everything. You just read article on science today instead of other sites. I still have to see you coming with a though of your own that is not plain stereotype about religion.
484  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people pray? on: July 30, 2017, 02:05:42 AM
In my opinion, praying is just another way to run away from the problems without resolving them. Someone who prays believe that the "god" will solve the issue for him, rather than he putting some effort in that direction.

Sometime the problem is not the problem but the attitude to what is percieved as a problem  Grin
485  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 29, 2017, 09:50:27 PM
I do not know what, but I am very concerned about the directions of atheism in humanity. Blasphemy is a very great sin and it seems to me that today the whole planet suffers from this disease.

Believing in the bible is also a sin in other religions so i don't know about the directions of christianity. Believing in other gods is a great sin and it seems to me that everyone believes in different gods.

Searching for truth in honest maner always converge to the same things.

Believing in the bible is sin in which religion ? Your's ?

All religions agree on many things, only the impurity in the individual understanding create divergence.

Or cultural indoctrination that goes against the teaching.
486  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 29, 2017, 09:35:19 PM
Science can be told to be as much con as religion Smiley

Your preaching science and know nothing of it, just because you saw it somewhere .

That's how conning works.

But im not conned by your madness Smiley

Not more than by preacher of any sort.

Science doesnt prove much evolution  no more than you prove anything.

You dont even know what proof is lol

Typing in caps being drunk insulting people is not really a proof of anything outside of your own madness and authority complex .

I blame your parents for yelling too much at you to show their authority.
487  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 29, 2017, 06:36:23 PM
ALSO do you call BUDDHISM a religion ..It's NOT a RELIGION..

To be one with everything cannot be a RELIGION ..

Religion my way or burn forever..
Buddhism be one with everything is not my way or burn in hell..

Dalai Lama angrily replies to peaceful nun - YouTube
Video for Buddhism arguing with nun▶ 0:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEEZvVUvKg
22 Feb 2014 - Uploaded by Dorje Shugden

The basics of veda is very close to kaballah Smiley

The three big religions based on god & angels ( Judaism christianism Islam)  is based on kaballah the same that budhism is built from veda.

Vatican & England crown is another story. .
488  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 29, 2017, 06:11:08 PM
There is no axioms for the evolution, no metrics, no algebra, it's barely a science at all.
489  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people pray? on: July 29, 2017, 05:14:05 PM
https://youtu.be/c5iKVUat80I

Namaste: Devi Prayer, Spiritual music, gentle, calming, peaceful music, relaxing music

 Grin
490  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS is nothing compared to U.S. cops. on: July 29, 2017, 03:22:38 PM
Ive just remembered the quote "Only the Sith put everything in the absolute."
One or some cases - not a reason for panic and hatred of the police.

That's right. Even in the United States, there are around 800,000 cops on active duty. The actions of a few should not be used to discredit the entire police department. Without them, it will be impossible to maintain the law and order.

You are mistaken. It isn't the actions of a few. The police union is nationwide, and hooks all cops together. The good cops who stand up against the bad cops, are shut down by their union, and ostracized. This means that they usually aren't cops for very long after. And the union fights for bad cops in court so that they seldom get their due punishment for the wrong that they do.

Good cops don't really exist. The good that is apparent in cops isn't cop goodness. It is man or woman goodness. If they followed their cop orientation rather than their man/woman conscience, they all would start doing the same damage that the patently bad bad-cops do.

Cops are way worse than ISIS.

Cool

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/A_Few_Good_Men  Grin

I want you to know that I think the whole fucking bunch of you are certifiably insane. This code of honor of yours makes me want to beat the shit out of somebody.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0104257/


Cops are way worse than ISIS.

Your 5 minutes of effort got wasted by these few words. I would have believed you (at least the initial part of your argument). But once you began arguing that the American cops are worse than the ISIS, you lost the debate.


You jokers are watching way too many movies. Why do you think the movies are made? They are made because people who make them have a dream. They are made to keep jokers like you ignorant of the truth. Then the police/military can go in and do all the bad they want, because you jokers support them.

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe it isn't cops that are worse than ISIS. Maybe it is ignorant jokers like you.

Cool

Some movie are good, it can tell a story too Smiley

Maybe you dont know anyone who makes movie and think they are made by satan in hell ? Lol
491  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 29, 2017, 03:17:35 PM
Scientists are stubborn and smart, because of that they do their best to not fail. They use different methods to prove the age of the earth and the universe, what makes you think their methods are false? ''All we have from  science is a bunch of "measurements," And all we have from the bible are a bunch of words written by a bunch of ignorant people that somehow convinced simple minded people like you. They would probably laugh if they saw how many people believe in their stupid story LOL
The bible was not written  by ignorants, it's based on scholarship wisdom of the time like from platonism, philo of alexandria, and many others ..

It doesnt even  deny evolution .. no more than the Vedas. .

They even actually got the good order of how things got  created ..
492  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 29, 2017, 03:12:23 PM
Need to read the kaballah with the original void Smiley

All religion with god In heaven and angels as messenger are derived from the kaballah.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah#Tzimtzum.2C_Shevirah_and_Tikkun

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/kabbalah/Creation/creation.html


http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Realism/realism.html
493  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 29, 2017, 06:11:48 AM

I will quote from valerian as i just saw it lol

Love without limit, very cheap is the love that can be counted


This can apply for god too  Grin
494  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bully Problem on: July 29, 2017, 03:58:34 AM
https://youtu.be/MExenJwI3ms

showtek - the world is mine  Grin


https://youtu.be/bolWhLnawWw

Headhunterz vs. Psyko Punkz - Disrespect
495  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS is nothing compared to U.S. cops. on: July 29, 2017, 03:51:19 AM
Ive just remembered the quote "Only the Sith put everything in the absolute."
One or some cases - not a reason for panic and hatred of the police.

That's right. Even in the United States, there are around 800,000 cops on active duty. The actions of a few should not be used to discredit the entire police department. Without them, it will be impossible to maintain the law and order.

You are mistaken. It isn't the actions of a few. The police union is nationwide, and hooks all cops together. The good cops who stand up against the bad cops, are shut down by their union, and ostracized. This means that they usually aren't cops for very long after. And the union fights for bad cops in court so that they seldom get their due punishment for the wrong that they do.

Good cops don't really exist. The good that is apparent in cops isn't cop goodness. It is man or woman goodness. If they followed their cop orientation rather than their man/woman conscience, they all would start doing the same damage that the patently bad bad-cops do.

Cops are way worse than ISIS.

Cool

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/A_Few_Good_Men  Grin

I want you to know that I think the whole fucking bunch of you are certifiably insane. This code of honor of yours makes me want to beat the shit out of somebody.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0104257/
496  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 29, 2017, 12:50:09 AM

I have heard some lucid explanations for how "infinity became aware"; consider this:

The One Infinite Creator
The Law of One states that there is only one, and that one is the Infinite Creator (4.20), which Ra also calls “Infinite Intelligence” and “Intelligent Infinity.” It is impossible to describe the “one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole,” but It can be activated or potentiated (28.1). Each portion of the creation contains, paradoxically, the whole (13.13).

Illusion
Since all is one, all manifestation, or appearance of many-ness, is an illusion (1.6, 106.23). According to Ra, it is an illusion carefully engineered in order to give the Creator the opportunity to know Itself (27.17).
http://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php

Philosophical Materialism is the philosophy of atheist scientists. I also claim that all rational atheists are humanists and that humanism is false based on readily available evidence.

Those principle come from platonism or neo platonism.

Like plotinus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plotinus

"Materialism" is more or less aristotle metaphysics / natural science / empirism.

"Rationalism" is more or less socratic/platonic/euclidian .

The thing of the illusion of changing appearence vs permanent truth is from parmenides.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides

All conceptions of reality are the result of a mental process, no more no less.

Cultivating the mental process of understanding  ( aka rationalism ) is more important than cultivating memory of facts ( aka empirism ).


The concept of true or false can be interpreted both in term of factual evidence, or in the context of rational analysis like euclidian axiomatic reasoning.  

In the context of axiomatic reasoning, truth is not about "factual evidence" but  about logical deduction from axioms.


There is no "factual evidence" that 1+1=2, arithmetics, or to euclidian geometric principle, just logical deduction from axioms.


Riemann show very well the problematics of finding the good axiomatic model or geometry / space to describe physics, as there is no manner to demonstrate which geometry or axioms are true or false in themselves as far as physics is concerned.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemannian_geometry

http://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783319260402
On the Hypotheses Which Lie at the Bases of Geometry.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_universe

Relativity is special case of riemannian geometry, and show to be the more accurate model of space that correspond to physics so far.

Before riemann it was assumed euclidian geometry and axioms were more or less same than truth or physics.


Humanism is quite subjective concept, but it would be often considered platonic or socratic model are more humanist, they lead to republic in politics,  "science" derived from empirism, aka interpretation of facts lead to oligarchy, as long as this interpretation cannot be demonstrated rationally.


For plato truth is deeply related to good or justice, and concerned with humanism.

"I don’t think the brain came in the Darwinian manner. In fact, it is disprovable. Simple mechanism can’t yield the brain. I think the basic elements of the universe are simple. Life force is a primitive element of the universe and it obeys certain laws of action. These laws are not simple, and they are not mechanical. "

There are some good demonstration of this problematics in this book.

Between Leibniz, Newton, and Kant: Philosophy and Science in the Eighteenth

https://books.google.fr/books?id=D5fcBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PT118&dq=leibniz%20mechanics%20vs%20newton&pg=PT21#v=onepage&q&f=false



497  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 28, 2017, 10:41:32 PM
said cause and effect doesn't prove god in an earlier post. We don't know that everything needs a cause, maybe some events happen spontaneously. There is actually evidence that some sub-atomic particles form and disappear for no reason, with no cause. The universe might not need a ''cause'' either, time might not be viewed as a vector quantity, but rather a scaler one. Under this, there are no beginnings, and the universe was the start of time itself. There was no time when the universe began to exist, because there is no 'before' time itself didn't exist. Just because something caused the universe, doesn't mean a god did so. Also, there is a jump between 'something happened' and 'a man sits on a cloud watching humanity and rewarding good people with eternal life, meanwhile controlling everything' that the first cause argument fails to solve.

Finally, and perhaps most damningly, the argument has a serious loophole. One of the premises is everything needs a cause, yet the argument fails to say where God came from. (Which you never explained)

Things can exist as unmanifested "pure potential" before they "exists" as in manifesting themselves.

It's not because we dont understand the cause or reason that there isnt one.

Time is one dimension in the 4d  space according to relativity, and is affected by the nature of space itself.

God is not "sitting in the clouds" but exist as idea in the sky = mental plane = realm of idea.
498  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 28, 2017, 10:07:16 PM


People understand Newton. They know about him.  Let us know when they invalidate Newtons Laws.

Cool

They are already invalid since the beginning liebniz mechanics is more accurate and relativity totally obsolete it, not even speaking of quantum mechanics.


http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=767326

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Newton-generally-considered-a-better-mathematician-than-Leibniz

Ironically, we use Leibniz's notation, and the calculus we learn today is essentially Leibniz's (e.g. dx/dy etc.), and both Bernoulli and later Euler championed Leibniz's formalism over Newton's, relatively speaking, messy and incongruous work. Dx/Dy is straight from Leibniz.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/57495/einstein-gravity-versus-newtons-gravity

Riemann is the mathematics behind relativity, newton is completely obsolete by it.

Newton is not physics.

They teach newton at school probably because it's easier to understand, but liebniz was already better since the beginning.



https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-theories/#4.2.1



4.2.1 Absolute Space vs. Galilean Relativity

Newton's proposal for understanding motion solves the problems that he posed for Descartes, and provides an interpretation of the concepts of constant motion and acceleration that appear in his laws of motion. However, it suffers from two notable interpretational problems, both of which were pressed forcefully by Leibniz (in the Leibniz-Clarke Correspondence, 1715–1716) — which is not to say that Leibniz himself offered a superior account of motion (see below). (Of course, there are other features of Newton's proposal that turned out to be empirically inadequate, and are rejected by in relativity theory: Newton's account violates the relativity of simultaneity and postulates a non-dynamical spacetime structure.)
499  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 28, 2017, 05:25:46 PM

Cause and effect can be seen as operation in a space, their actual effect and the logic built on them depend on the nature of space itself, it's what riemann demonstrate Smiley

It's funny that you try to take on newton thermodynamics which is for me one of the worst system to understand god Smiley

Liebniz or riemann > newton  Grin


When getting into the Riemann habilitation theory , it's easy to see all newtonian physics based on euclidian space is actually a sort of mirage Smiley



https://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/963A_lieb_rieman.html

Briefly, the significance of Riemann's discovery, is this. Consider the form of algebra introduced to the Seventeenth century by the founder of the "Enlightenment," the atheistic Servite monk, and follower of William of Ockham, Paolo Sarpi. Consider the expression of this in the work of such Sarpi lackeys and followers as Galileo Galilei, Thomas Hobbes, and René Descartes. The proximate source of the Enlightenment forms of algebra, employed by René Descartes, Isaac Newton, and their devotees, is derived from an "Ockhamite" reading of what is most widely recognizable as that modern classroom parody of Euclid's geometry embedded in the mathematics curricula generally, as presented, still, in secondary and higher education during the time of this writer's youth, and earlier.

The fallacies of this algebra, are the starting point of Riemann's dissertation. His point of departure there, is that in the form of algebra derived hereditarily from the work of Galileo, Descartes, Newton, et al.: Discrete events, and their associated movements, are situated within a Cartesian form of idealized space-time. This point has been presented by the present author in numerous earlier locations, but, on pedagogical grounds, it must be stated again here, this time in a choice of setting appropriate to the connection we are exposing, between the ideas of Riemann and his predecessor Leibniz.

Riemann opens his dissertation, with two prefatory observations. First, that, until that time (1854), "from Euclid through Legendre," it was generally presumed that geometry, as well as the principles for constructions in space, was premised upon a priori axiomatic assumptions, whose origins, mutual relations, and justification remained obscure. The second general point of his plan of investigation, which he restates in the conclusion of the dissertation, is that no rational construction of the principles of geometry could be derived from purely mathematical considerations, but only from experience.9 He concludes his dissertation: "We enter the realm of another science, the domain of physics, which the subject of today's occasion [mathematics] does not permit us to enter." Riemann, thus, refutes the presumption on which a Newton devotee, of Prussia's Frederick II, Leonhard Euler, depended absolutely, for the entirety of his attack on Leibniz's Monadology.10

On grounds of the principles of Classical humanist, or cognitive pedagogy,11 the prudent course of action, now, is to reconstruct the conceptions at issue from the initial standpoint of simple, deductive theorem-lattices. This pedagogical approach leads us by the most direct route, to the central issue of Riemann's discovery: the validation of an axiomatic-revolutionary quality of discovery of universal principle, by reason of which we are obliged to construct a new mathematical physics, to supersede that erroneous one previously in vogue. Later, continuing that process of construction, to the point of examining the writer's own original discovery in physical-economy, we identify the cognizable feature of the individual person's mental life, in which we may then locate the significance of Riemann's revolution in mathematical physics.
500  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 28, 2017, 04:09:52 PM
according to early population facts/calculations : humans and apes lived in same time same place, and humans didn't come from apes, meanwhile some scientist believe that ancient  "neanderthal" was a monkey race, and had no diference from other monkeys (skin etc etc, had nothing similar to humans)

Yeah there are plenty of glitches in the story lol

Welcome to the clone war vs drones lol

Hey buddy,
Can I ask you something? Do you believe in heaven and hell? and If so, what do you think is a better place to be and why? Smiley

In a metaphoric sense yes Smiley

In the absolute everyone long to reach hevean, or nirvana, hell is the force that drive people toward haeven Smiley

In budhism there is the concept of dukkha and the 4 nobles truth.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-four-noble-truths-450095
In a more formal setting, the Truths read:

The truth of suffering (dukkha)
The truth of the cause of suffering (samudaya)
The truth of the end of suffering (nirhodha)
The truth of the path that frees us from suffering (magga)


THE FIRST NOBLE TRUTH: LIFE IS DUKKHA
The First Noble Truth is often translated as "life is suffering." Many people new to Buddhism tune out as soon as they hear this.

Much confusion is due to the English translation of the Pali/Sanskrit word dukkha as "suffering." According to the Ven. Ajahn Sumedho, a Theravadin monk and scholar, the word actually means "incapable of satisfying" or "not able to bear or withstand anything." Other scholars replace "suffering" with "stressful."

THE SECOND NOBLE TRUTH: ON THE ORIGIN OF DUKKHA
The Second Noble Truth teaches that the cause of suffering is greed or desire. The actual word from the early scriptures is tanha, and this is more accurately translated as "thirst" or "craving."

We continually search for something outside ourselves to make us happy. But no matter how successful we are, we never remain satisfied. The Second Truth is not telling us that we must give up everything we love to find happiness. The real issue here is more subtle—it's attachment to what we desire that gets us into trouble.



The problem of the bible is it's very esoteric, there are different levels of understanding of it, different reading possible ( 3 according to zohar )


Eastern tradition are somehow more practical and better documented, but it's the same basics.

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