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Im not sure god has to be seen as something to provide for material needs.
More something to train spirit to be less dependent on materialism.
Im for one encouraging the practice of fasting to train the body to be less driven by needs.
I saw a video last time showing the tibetan kids, walking with bare foot for kilometers in the Mountain, all smiling & all, and they were like look at those chinese Kids they are lazy they cant walk a Mile without crying like babies lol
Kinda show something too ..
It's funny also to see on my facebook as i have friends from all over the world
French : always complaining, never happy, always needs more.
American : more or less same.
Drama drama.
Money money.
The only who are just chilling with familly & friend and being smiling and happy not complaining about politics & economy are the one from south africa, or hispanics lol and they have not really much money or food lol
Even if you travel to islands like reunion or new caledonia, even burma, people live with very little and they are much less miserable than when moving back to big cities like Paris london or new York.
As long as you focus on your material needs and fear of lacking your always going to be scared of everything, anxiety & co.
Specially in developed country, it's not like there is really that much scarcity of anything.
And nature already provide enough food .
Cause and effect shows that God is the source of all things. It works like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. You said cause and effect doesn't prove god in an earlier post. <- You misquote me. I said that C&E alone doesn't prove God. We don't know that everything needs a cause, maybe some events happen spontaneously. <- Haven't found a spontaneous event that we know factually is spontaneous. But we have countless billions of C&E events. There is actually evidence that some sub-atomic particles form and disappear for no reason, with no cause. The universe might not need a ''cause'' either, time might not be viewed as a vector quantity, but rather a scaler one. Under this, there are no beginnings, and the universe was the start of time itself. <- Have you read Peter Pan and the Wizard of Oz? There was no time when the universe began to exist, because there is no 'before' time itself didn't exist. Just because something caused the universe, doesn't mean a god did so. <- Under the circumstances of the universe, where C&E, entropy, and complexity exist as they do, show me something that fits the definition of "God" but is not God. Also, there is a jump between 'something happened' and 'a man sits on a cloud watching humanity and rewarding good people with eternal life, meanwhile controlling everything' that the first cause argument fails to solve. <- God is not man. Man may have some of God's attributes. When God understands and controls everything, He does it in ways that man barely understands at all. Or have you been tracking a molecule of wind as it travels around the world?Finally, and perhaps most damningly, the argument has a serious loophole. One of the premises is everything needs a cause, yet the argument fails to say where God came from. (Which you never explained) Actually, you never seem to listen - or is it comprehend - when I tell you about where God came from.
"Things" are of this universe. Since God is not of this universe, He is not a thing. But if He takes on the quality of a thing to some extent, He still maintains his quality of NOT being a thing. C&E isn't something that effects God unless He wants to be affected by it.
Like we barely know any details about the universe, in the same way our limitations keep us from knowing anything about that which is outside of the universe. Questions about the details of the things that make up God are not even things that we can ask, because God is so extremely different than us.
You are wasting your time with this constant questioning, which does not apply to God even as a question.So because god is outside the universe he doesn't need a cause? How did you determine that? Cause is only something that applies to this universe. In Heaven, or in some other universe, there might be a corresponding thing like cause. However, it isn't cause. If it were, it would be part of this universe rather than being outside of this universe. God doesn't have a cause. You are wasting your time with this constant questioning, which does not apply to God even as a question.
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July 29, 2017, 12:24:40 PM |
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Im not sure god has to be seen as something to provide for material needs.
More something to train spirit to be less dependent on materialism.
Im for one encouraging the practice of fasting to train the body to be less driven by needs.
I saw a video last time showing the tibetan kids, walking with bare foot for kilometers in the Mountain, all smiling & all, and they were like look at those chinese Kids they are lazy they cant walk a Mile without crying like babies lol
Kinda show something too ..
It's funny also to see on my facebook as i have friends from all over the world
French : always complaining, never happy, always needs more.
American : more or less same.
Drama drama.
Money money.
The only who are just chilling with familly & friend and being smiling and happy not complaining about politics & economy are the one from south africa, or hispanics lol and they have not really much money or food lol
Even if you travel to islands like reunion or new caledonia, even burma, people live with very little and they are much less miserable than when moving back to big cities like Paris london or new York.
As long as you focus on your material needs and fear of lacking your always going to be scared of everything, anxiety & co.
Specially in developed country, it's not like there is really that much scarcity of anything.
And nature already provide enough food .
Cause and effect shows that God is the source of all things. It works like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. You said cause and effect doesn't prove god in an earlier post. <- You misquote me. I said that C&E alone doesn't prove God. We don't know that everything needs a cause, maybe some events happen spontaneously. <- Haven't found a spontaneous event that we know factually is spontaneous. But we have countless billions of C&E events. There is actually evidence that some sub-atomic particles form and disappear for no reason, with no cause. The universe might not need a ''cause'' either, time might not be viewed as a vector quantity, but rather a scaler one. Under this, there are no beginnings, and the universe was the start of time itself. <- Have you read Peter Pan and the Wizard of Oz? There was no time when the universe began to exist, because there is no 'before' time itself didn't exist. Just because something caused the universe, doesn't mean a god did so. <- Under the circumstances of the universe, where C&E, entropy, and complexity exist as they do, show me something that fits the definition of "God" but is not God. Also, there is a jump between 'something happened' and 'a man sits on a cloud watching humanity and rewarding good people with eternal life, meanwhile controlling everything' that the first cause argument fails to solve. <- God is not man. Man may have some of God's attributes. When God understands and controls everything, He does it in ways that man barely understands at all. Or have you been tracking a molecule of wind as it travels around the world?Finally, and perhaps most damningly, the argument has a serious loophole. One of the premises is everything needs a cause, yet the argument fails to say where God came from. (Which you never explained) Actually, you never seem to listen - or is it comprehend - when I tell you about where God came from.
"Things" are of this universe. Since God is not of this universe, He is not a thing. But if He takes on the quality of a thing to some extent, He still maintains his quality of NOT being a thing. C&E isn't something that effects God unless He wants to be affected by it.
Like we barely know any details about the universe, in the same way our limitations keep us from knowing anything about that which is outside of the universe. Questions about the details of the things that make up God are not even things that we can ask, because God is so extremely different than us.
You are wasting your time with this constant questioning, which does not apply to God even as a question.So because god is outside the universe he doesn't need a cause? How did you determine that? Cause is only something that applies to this universe. In Heaven, or in some other universe, there might be a corresponding thing like cause. However, it isn't cause. If it were, it would be part of this universe rather than being outside of this universe. God doesn't have a cause. You are wasting your time with this constant questioning, which does not apply to God even as a question. ''In Heaven, or in some other universe, there might be a corresponding thing like cause. However, it isn't cause. If it were, it would be part of this universe rather than being outside of this universe.'' - Badecker 2017 Why would things outside the universe have no cause? How can you possibly know that? You are claiming to know things that are impossible to know, you are a joke.
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July 29, 2017, 12:40:51 PM |
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Actually it doesnt matter if science proof that God exist or not. What matters the most is you are believing that God exist. Even if you do not see God visually but in your heart, He is true. Just keep your faith towards Him, do not doubt in His words and plans to you.
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BADecker
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July 29, 2017, 06:24:03 PM |
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Actually it doesnt matter if science proof that God exist or not. What matters the most is you are believing that God exist. Even if you do not see God visually but in your heart, He is true. Just keep your faith towards Him, do not doubt in His words and plans to you.
But people die and God lives forever. So it doesn't really matter what you believe... except if it matters to the emotional heart of God.
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July 29, 2017, 06:27:01 PM |
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Im not sure god has to be seen as something to provide for material needs.
More something to train spirit to be less dependent on materialism.
Im for one encouraging the practice of fasting to train the body to be less driven by needs.
I saw a video last time showing the tibetan kids, walking with bare foot for kilometers in the Mountain, all smiling & all, and they were like look at those chinese Kids they are lazy they cant walk a Mile without crying like babies lol
Kinda show something too ..
It's funny also to see on my facebook as i have friends from all over the world
French : always complaining, never happy, always needs more.
American : more or less same.
Drama drama.
Money money.
The only who are just chilling with familly & friend and being smiling and happy not complaining about politics & economy are the one from south africa, or hispanics lol and they have not really much money or food lol
Even if you travel to islands like reunion or new caledonia, even burma, people live with very little and they are much less miserable than when moving back to big cities like Paris london or new York.
As long as you focus on your material needs and fear of lacking your always going to be scared of everything, anxiety & co.
Specially in developed country, it's not like there is really that much scarcity of anything.
And nature already provide enough food .
Cause and effect shows that God is the source of all things. It works like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. You said cause and effect doesn't prove god in an earlier post. <- You misquote me. I said that C&E alone doesn't prove God. We don't know that everything needs a cause, maybe some events happen spontaneously. <- Haven't found a spontaneous event that we know factually is spontaneous. But we have countless billions of C&E events. There is actually evidence that some sub-atomic particles form and disappear for no reason, with no cause. The universe might not need a ''cause'' either, time might not be viewed as a vector quantity, but rather a scaler one. Under this, there are no beginnings, and the universe was the start of time itself. <- Have you read Peter Pan and the Wizard of Oz? There was no time when the universe began to exist, because there is no 'before' time itself didn't exist. Just because something caused the universe, doesn't mean a god did so. <- Under the circumstances of the universe, where C&E, entropy, and complexity exist as they do, show me something that fits the definition of "God" but is not God. Also, there is a jump between 'something happened' and 'a man sits on a cloud watching humanity and rewarding good people with eternal life, meanwhile controlling everything' that the first cause argument fails to solve. <- God is not man. Man may have some of God's attributes. When God understands and controls everything, He does it in ways that man barely understands at all. Or have you been tracking a molecule of wind as it travels around the world?Finally, and perhaps most damningly, the argument has a serious loophole. One of the premises is everything needs a cause, yet the argument fails to say where God came from. (Which you never explained) Actually, you never seem to listen - or is it comprehend - when I tell you about where God came from.
"Things" are of this universe. Since God is not of this universe, He is not a thing. But if He takes on the quality of a thing to some extent, He still maintains his quality of NOT being a thing. C&E isn't something that effects God unless He wants to be affected by it.
Like we barely know any details about the universe, in the same way our limitations keep us from knowing anything about that which is outside of the universe. Questions about the details of the things that make up God are not even things that we can ask, because God is so extremely different than us.
You are wasting your time with this constant questioning, which does not apply to God even as a question.So because god is outside the universe he doesn't need a cause? How did you determine that? Cause is only something that applies to this universe. In Heaven, or in some other universe, there might be a corresponding thing like cause. However, it isn't cause. If it were, it would be part of this universe rather than being outside of this universe. God doesn't have a cause. You are wasting your time with this constant questioning, which does not apply to God even as a question. ''In Heaven, or in some other universe, there might be a corresponding thing like cause. However, it isn't cause. If it were, it would be part of this universe rather than being outside of this universe.'' - Badecker 2017 Why would things outside the universe have no cause? How can you possibly know that? You are claiming to know things that are impossible to know, you are a joke. You are so funny. You write the answer to your question. Then you ask the question right below it. In the past you would ask a question, the answer to which was written several posts up. Now you are asking the question directly following its answer. You are becoming rather humorous.
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Astargath
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July 29, 2017, 08:19:01 PM |
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Im not sure god has to be seen as something to provide for material needs.
More something to train spirit to be less dependent on materialism.
Im for one encouraging the practice of fasting to train the body to be less driven by needs.
I saw a video last time showing the tibetan kids, walking with bare foot for kilometers in the Mountain, all smiling & all, and they were like look at those chinese Kids they are lazy they cant walk a Mile without crying like babies lol
Kinda show something too ..
It's funny also to see on my facebook as i have friends from all over the world
French : always complaining, never happy, always needs more.
American : more or less same.
Drama drama.
Money money.
The only who are just chilling with familly & friend and being smiling and happy not complaining about politics & economy are the one from south africa, or hispanics lol and they have not really much money or food lol
Even if you travel to islands like reunion or new caledonia, even burma, people live with very little and they are much less miserable than when moving back to big cities like Paris london or new York.
As long as you focus on your material needs and fear of lacking your always going to be scared of everything, anxiety & co.
Specially in developed country, it's not like there is really that much scarcity of anything.
And nature already provide enough food .
Cause and effect shows that God is the source of all things. It works like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. You said cause and effect doesn't prove god in an earlier post. <- You misquote me. I said that C&E alone doesn't prove God. We don't know that everything needs a cause, maybe some events happen spontaneously. <- Haven't found a spontaneous event that we know factually is spontaneous. But we have countless billions of C&E events. There is actually evidence that some sub-atomic particles form and disappear for no reason, with no cause. The universe might not need a ''cause'' either, time might not be viewed as a vector quantity, but rather a scaler one. Under this, there are no beginnings, and the universe was the start of time itself. <- Have you read Peter Pan and the Wizard of Oz? There was no time when the universe began to exist, because there is no 'before' time itself didn't exist. Just because something caused the universe, doesn't mean a god did so. <- Under the circumstances of the universe, where C&E, entropy, and complexity exist as they do, show me something that fits the definition of "God" but is not God. Also, there is a jump between 'something happened' and 'a man sits on a cloud watching humanity and rewarding good people with eternal life, meanwhile controlling everything' that the first cause argument fails to solve. <- God is not man. Man may have some of God's attributes. When God understands and controls everything, He does it in ways that man barely understands at all. Or have you been tracking a molecule of wind as it travels around the world?Finally, and perhaps most damningly, the argument has a serious loophole. One of the premises is everything needs a cause, yet the argument fails to say where God came from. (Which you never explained) Actually, you never seem to listen - or is it comprehend - when I tell you about where God came from.
"Things" are of this universe. Since God is not of this universe, He is not a thing. But if He takes on the quality of a thing to some extent, He still maintains his quality of NOT being a thing. C&E isn't something that effects God unless He wants to be affected by it.
Like we barely know any details about the universe, in the same way our limitations keep us from knowing anything about that which is outside of the universe. Questions about the details of the things that make up God are not even things that we can ask, because God is so extremely different than us.
You are wasting your time with this constant questioning, which does not apply to God even as a question.So because god is outside the universe he doesn't need a cause? How did you determine that? Cause is only something that applies to this universe. In Heaven, or in some other universe, there might be a corresponding thing like cause. However, it isn't cause. If it were, it would be part of this universe rather than being outside of this universe. God doesn't have a cause. You are wasting your time with this constant questioning, which does not apply to God even as a question. ''In Heaven, or in some other universe, there might be a corresponding thing like cause. However, it isn't cause. If it were, it would be part of this universe rather than being outside of this universe.'' - Badecker 2017 Why would things outside the universe have no cause? How can you possibly know that? You are claiming to know things that are impossible to know, you are a joke. You are so funny. You write the answer to your question. Then you ask the question right below it. In the past you would ask a question, the answer to which was written several posts up. Now you are asking the question directly following its answer. You are becoming rather humorous. Claiming that everything outside the universe needs no cause doesn't make it true.
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July 29, 2017, 08:36:27 PM |
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I do not know what, but I am very concerned about the directions of atheism in humanity. Blasphemy is a very great sin and it seems to me that today the whole planet suffers from this disease.
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Astargath
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July 29, 2017, 09:12:44 PM |
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I do not know what, but I am very concerned about the directions of atheism in humanity. Blasphemy is a very great sin and it seems to me that today the whole planet suffers from this disease.
Believing in the bible is also a sin in other religions so i don't know about the directions of christianity. Believing in other gods is a great sin and it seems to me that everyone believes in different gods.
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IadixDev
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July 29, 2017, 09:50:27 PM |
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I do not know what, but I am very concerned about the directions of atheism in humanity. Blasphemy is a very great sin and it seems to me that today the whole planet suffers from this disease.
Believing in the bible is also a sin in other religions so i don't know about the directions of christianity. Believing in other gods is a great sin and it seems to me that everyone believes in different gods. Searching for truth in honest maner always converge to the same things. Believing in the bible is sin in which religion ? Your's ? All religions agree on many things, only the impurity in the individual understanding create divergence. Or cultural indoctrination that goes against the teaching.
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BADecker
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July 29, 2017, 11:13:15 PM |
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Claiming that everything outside the universe needs no cause doesn't make it true.
The claim isn't what makes it true. The fact that if it has a cause, it is part of our universe. This is what makes it true. In other words, show us something that is not part of the universe, yet has a cause.
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Astargath
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July 30, 2017, 12:06:44 AM |
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Claiming that everything outside the universe needs no cause doesn't make it true.
The claim isn't what makes it true. The fact that if it has a cause, it is part of our universe. This is what makes it true. In other words, show us something that is not part of the universe, yet has a cause. How would I do that? Have you studied something that is outside the universe? If it has a cause it's a part of the universe and if it doesn't, it's not? How do you know all this, maybe you are god.
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July 30, 2017, 12:25:08 AM |
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actually i belive Gods, even without science
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BADecker
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July 30, 2017, 07:34:54 AM |
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Claiming that everything outside the universe needs no cause doesn't make it true.
The claim isn't what makes it true. The fact that if it has a cause, it is part of our universe. This is what makes it true. In other words, show us something that is not part of the universe, yet has a cause. How would I do that? Have you studied something that is outside the universe? If it has a cause it's a part of the universe and if it doesn't, it's not? How do you know all this, maybe you are god. Answered your questions, here, already.
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Astargath
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July 30, 2017, 09:00:48 AM |
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Claiming that everything outside the universe needs no cause doesn't make it true.
The claim isn't what makes it true. The fact that if it has a cause, it is part of our universe. This is what makes it true. In other words, show us something that is not part of the universe, yet has a cause. How would I do that? Have you studied something that is outside the universe? If it has a cause it's a part of the universe and if it doesn't, it's not? How do you know all this, maybe you are god. Answered your questions, here, already. No, you just claimed things without any evidence. You said that is a fact that if something has a cause it must be part of our universe, where is the evidence backing that statement?
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July 30, 2017, 01:02:41 PM |
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just now i am describing my newest method of sportsbetting-working .... you can join it over my profile to my blog then to wix.divine ..... see. all my 4 businesses are bound with your divine accounts balances .... yes, that is true, not knowing yet, is the god, god must stay in transcendence or if comes to experience becomes deviation (devil) .... there is trap in thinking .... you say god as if exists but we can not prove it .... i say god is anything that we do not prove .... so what is difference, you take god as particular being - almigthy omnipotent god (AG) while i talk of god as universal entity (G) and i work as secular god (SG) - individual being-entity .... i think that G is principle (of missing something) .... AG is assumed collective being-entity ... and, SG is presumed individual entity-being .... let me know if you find better or goodier explanation .... we can define al as: "cause is god (G) and the rest is effect, in universe and out of universe" ..... so, AG can not be cause but effect as well as SG .... haha ... sure, all effects can be and are causes for next god (G) and other effects .... hah, looks like G is just between cause and effect .... bye bye ...!
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July 30, 2017, 04:22:03 PM Last edit: July 30, 2017, 05:05:00 PM by sirazimuth |
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I do not know what, but I am very concerned pleased about the directions of atheism in humanity. Blasphemy Religion is a very great sin delusion and it seems to me that today the whole most of the planet suffers from this disease.
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July 30, 2017, 06:54:41 PM |
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I do not know what, but I am very concerned pleased about the directions of atheism in humanity. Blasphemy Religion is a very great sin delusion and it seems to me that today the whole most of the planet suffers from this disease.
FTFY If you answer in essence, you must first answer the question, to whom does religion interfere or that a person believes in something? It seems to me that this cult of atheism has already got everyone and apparently there are reasons to blaspheme.
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