I'd rather have BitScalper and CoinTumbler than coercive regulation of Bitcoin businesses. Bitcoin is information, and policing information is the fastest way to kill Bitcoin.   Nice spin there buddy. Let's straighten it back out. All exchanges are already registered, except one, who calls Bitcoins monopoly money and says that he has the stolen coins. MtGox, CryptoXChange, Intersango, they've all gone through the steps necessary and required of them by their legal operating countries in order to be legal and provide a legal service. CoinExchanger ignores these responsibilities under the guise of providing anonymity (except everything they claim is always a lie or completely unprovable). |
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You're claiming this with absolutely zero evidence. Anyone can link to blockchain.info (it wasn't even CoinExchanger who posted the link, but Jonathan Ryan Owens - and is meaningless in any case). There is no reason to believe that there is any connection whatsoever between CoinExchanger and bitcoinica's stolen bitcoins. For you to assert that there is, is both confusing and counterproductive.
Your activism/leadership may be well-intentioned, but its beginning to look overzealous and borderline irresponsible. It is not what one would expect from a professional (director of bitcoin magazine), and to be honest I'm growing a bit uncomfortable having trusted you with my pre-order for the magazine.
Don't assume that everything I post here is intended for your eyes. Apologies for any confusion. The coins were picked up by his claim moments after they were sent and there is no hard concrete proof he even has them, that is his claim. It was however necessary to state these things to incite a dialogue. Bear with me while we (not just I) get to the bottom of it. |
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I have never stolen a single bitcoin, but like remaining anonymous because of business on a certain tor site. I am sure many others agree.
I agree with customers having the right to remain anonymous. That is easily enough done through most exchanges when you know the rules they have to follow. (I'd say MtGox might be the strictest) The problem ( like with BitScalper) is that there is absolutely no accountability for businesses when they try to remain anonymous. Anyone advocating that a business be allowed to operate anonymously is advocating fraud. |
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UPDATE: Upon confirming with Shawn the manager at Uncle Jacks at the registered address in the Whois for CoinExchanger.com, there is no one by the name of Leo Camilo (big surprise). I'll be working with Shawn (local manager) and Anthony (corporate manager) to make absolutely sure no one receives mail at that address who shouldn't be and will have them interview their employees closely as this is now a federal crime and will be reported directly to FinCEN and the FBI.
I hate to see you use the law that can be used against us, bitcoiners. Now now, we're not advocating the monitoring and control of bitcoiners or even bitcoin, we're advocating exchanges not being anonymous scummy fucks (bitscalper anyone?) and ending the idiot tax this community seems to love dishing out. I wish anonymous exchanges could function, but they can't, and sooner or later someone's going to pay for it. Did CryptoXChange ever ask for anyone's ID here? Why is it so important for an exchange to be absolutely anonymous unless you're trying to sell stolen bitcoins? Maybe I'm going to piss a lot of libertards off by asking these very basic questions and all, but my philosophy on the issue hasn't maturely developed yet so I'm actually asking right now, not just being sarcastic. Isn't the risk of BitScalper worth blackballing them from the society? Isn't any business or company trying to remain anonymous supposed to be shooting up red flags for everyone? When a customer's records are not even collected, why would a business need to be anonymous? Can't the customers just remain anonymous? |
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bitch please  Several of those people are probably cheating in some way, too. That dude at the very top is so totally cheating. I bet he's using a Linode VPS to stay connected to the forums. Too soon? He paid for that spot with donations from Atlas. (theymos, if you are reading this, Matthew PM'd me requesting that I post this) Lies! And not the typical Atlas kind! |
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Update: Leo Camilo is a fictitious name (surprise!) and they've never heard of him there are that restaurant. So the owner of the CoinExchanger.com obviously lied about his identity and has even less reason to be trusted now.
I have a very elaborate theory that needs testing, but if it turns out true it will definitely explain some things to the community and teach them a very grand lesson in trusting strangers. Fuck it, just take the lesson now anyway.
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Hello, the site coinexchanger.com has been "Under manteinance" for almost 10 days. In the past, this happened but not for so long time. I think maybe its about the btc price fall, but i sent them an email and receive no answer. I have 200 btc deposited there. They are really serious as i think, at least by my side, i never have troubles and they always keep my btc and money safe. But if everyone nows whats going on, please help me. Thanks.
This is so full of fail... Did you use the exchange as storage? You know you're not supposed to do that, right? If you used those 200 BTC for speculation, remember never to speculate with what you can't afford to lose. In either case, that's what you get for entrusting your funds to non-reputable sites. First of all, i dont post this thread asking for your tips on how to use my money. Second, i never write that i storage that 200 btc in coinexchanger, i transfer that money from other respected wallet, to withdraw that money into my liberty reserve account, because coinexchanger do that instantly (in case you dont know that). Third, i didnt say i use that 200 btc for speculation, so don suppose things i didnt said please. And fourth i ve been using coinexchanger for a long time and they are respectable an serious, i just post asking for your opinions, not for you to tell me what to do with my money or how to use it, im in this bussines for a long time, and belive me, it goes me really well, thanks godness. . Let us know ASAP if you need anything else. Visit, www.coinexchanger.comAm I missing something? What was solved? You've just witnessed typical scammy fuck being typically fucking scammy. Newbie with no history asks question, scammy fuck replies, and newbie is amazed! They're a sock puppet. |
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Not being affected by any given security breach does not necessarily indicate your service is secure.
It seems like you are taking advantage of others' misfortune to plug your own brand. Not the way I want the services I use to promote themselves.
Come on nef, you are better than this.
I didn't see it that way really. CoinExchanger on the other hand... |
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UPDATE: Upon confirming with Shawn the manager at Uncle Jacks at the registered address in the Whois for CoinExchanger.com, there is no one by the name of Leo Camilo (big surprise). I'll be working with Shawn (local manager) and Anthony (corporate manager) to make absolutely sure no one receives mail at that address who shouldn't be and will have them interview their employees closely as this is now a federal crime and will be reported directly to FinCEN and the FBI.
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Guys, CoinExchanger is turning out to be the likely culprit in the hack. I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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Regarding stolen coins: CoinExchanger.com has them (he's probably the hacker too) I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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Matthew,
are u claiming he performed the hack and stole all the coins or that he just has a few that somehow he suddenly got a hold of?
He seems to be a moron (look up the posts by Maria or himself) but it could be an act. He IS the first person to receive the stolen coins and within seconds of receiving was posting that he received them and their spot value. That's highly unlikely for an unconnected party, no? |
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Im boycotting this site and I suggest everyone else does.
No one was ever going there anyway. He has no volume. He upped his fees on the fly just because he got a deposit that could help him recoup his losses. He'll be gone into the wind as soon as he unloads these stolen coins. For all purposes sake we need to assume right now that Leo Camilo is the hacker behind the Linode theft. He is the only one who has the coins, he announced the deposits SECOND after receiving them and knew their spot value instantly, etc. He should be treated as a criminal for his already obvious scams and illegal activity, but this one he refuses to respond on should seal the case for everyone. I should point out that I'm the community manager for Intersango.
I am Nefario!!! SPARTAAAAAAAaaaaaaa........!!!!
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I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss. I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan. Visit, www.coinexchanger.com We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair. CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law. The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040. His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com. He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that: - bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
- his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
- he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.
He also: - goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
- claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner
He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.
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