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4821  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official) on: August 29, 2012, 05:03:25 AM
I see the number in your google docs spreadsheet keeps going up Matthew. If you're still taking bets, I would like to increase mine to 500BTC.

Accepted.

If you're still accepting bets (which would be insane!), I'll increase mine to 238.8 BTC.
4822  Other / Off-topic / Re: The pirate ponzi fiasco on: August 29, 2012, 04:41:05 AM
BTW, the forum has lots of good IP addresses logged for pirateat40 (he never used Tor) and 4077 PMs to/from him. This should help the investigation. I'd prefer to release this stuff privately to police, though I may release it publicly in a few months if no police officers contact me about it.
4823  Other / Off-topic / Re: The pirate ponzi fiasco on: August 29, 2012, 04:16:40 AM
and yet they still haven't given him the scammer tag.  Huh WTF !!!

There are still some very reasonable people who think he'll pay back most/all of the BTC. If he loses both Matthew's bet and Vandroiy's bet and he hasn't at least started a reasonable repayment plan, I'll give him the scammer tag. (It's only symbolic at this point, anyway -- no one's going to be tricked into trading with someone involved in such a high-profile controversy.)

Passthrough operators will not get scammer tags unless they broke explicit contracts.
4824  Other / Meta / Re: Request: Threats of Physical Violence as Grounds for BAN on: August 29, 2012, 03:10:38 AM
Very glad to read this. I suppose deleted posts are archived somehow, and still available...?

Yes.
4825  Other / Meta / Re: MODERATION, idea for sub categories on: August 29, 2012, 12:58:13 AM
Maybe just a "Digital Goods" subcategory, with the top-level Goods category for physical goods.

I've noticed that some people post digital goods in Services. Is this very common? (I don't look at those sections much.)
4826  Other / Meta / Re: theymos, please BAN all common IP sockpuppet accounts on: August 29, 2012, 12:44:45 AM
If there is something you're not comfortable saying associated with your name, maybe you should reconsider saying it at all.

That's a pretty naïve view, IMO. A person isn't composed of just one personality. You're a different person in different places and situations, and it's uncomfortable to mix all of these personalities into one.

I think there is a more serious point here. You can use sock-puppets to create false credibility, such as positive feedback on a fake investment opportunity. You can then use that credibility to con people out of their money.

I sometimes do react to stuff like this when I see it. Readers should really judge posts purely on the merit of their arguments, though, and not based on how many people said something or how many posts someone has.
4827  Other / Meta / Re: Request: Threats of Physical Violence as Grounds for BAN on: August 29, 2012, 12:09:16 AM
Clear threats of violence often do result in bans, especially when the poster is also asking other people to commit violence. I kinda feel like I should leave threats up so the target of the threats can point the police to them.

I'd also like clarification from theymos about the extent to which he'll co-operate with authorities if threats of harm are carried out and law enforcement looks to this community to identify likely suspects.

I'd probably give police whatever info they want on a user who threatened to harm someone who was later actually harmed.
4828  Other / Meta / Re: theymos, please BAN all common IP sockpuppet accounts on: August 28, 2012, 09:17:31 PM
I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.
4829  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Java 0-day Exploit. All browsers(Chrome included) are vulnerable. on: August 28, 2012, 07:51:13 PM
JRE sucks. Someone should make a better alternative. Flash, too.
4830  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 48 on: August 27, 2012, 03:58:31 PM
So is this one still ended? because I already paid for it... thanks.

Yes, this auction is over.
4831  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Pirate accomplices on: August 27, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
I've repeatedly said it was probably a Ponzi.



This looks exactly like a HYIP to me; I'd be pretty surprised if it turns out to be legitimate. I have purchased some PPT bonds, though. With the extra insurance, the odds of winning seems reasonable.

The "savings trust" is a Ponzi scheme. I'm not talking about "oh, but maybe the poor fella will default" or something on that level. Everything from the cheap building of trust, the friendly update messages and the time-scale of the thing is nothing but textbook fraudster routine. The funds are hardly flowing enough for good money laundering, there are cheaper means to do that anyway, and even if it were to work there's simply no reason to still pay out this sort of interest to lenders. Ever heard of "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"?

I completely agree. I'm not at all worried about BTCST's failure hurting the community, though. A lot of shady assets will fail and a few individuals will lose a lot of money, but I don't think there will be any long-term damage.

I do tend to think it's a Ponzi scheme, so I view it as a form of gambling. Hopefully no one else is gambling more than they can afford to lose.

This might not be completely accurate, but here's what I've seemed to find in this thread:


Ponzi:
nrd525
MarketNeutral
terrytibbs
Maged
theymos
JoelKatz
Matthew N. Wright
P4man
curious
Sukrim

Not a ponzi:
bitlane
ineededausername
PatrickHarnett
coin_toss
reeses
exahash
Otoh
psy
Tomatocage
sadpandatech

Neutral:
Meni Rosenfeld
jcpham
cytokine

Unknown (leaning towards not a ponzi):
hashking
BurtW
imsaguy
znort987
splatster
johnthedong
farfiman
miscreanity
ShadowAlexey
Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

Unknown (leaning towards ponzi):
pekv2


So, out of the people that had some kind of opinion, approximately 30.5% of posters here believe that it is a ponzi, 61.1% think it's not, and 8.3% are neutral.

Trust accounts will probably still get ~7%, but I believe that the additional limitations on withdrawing funds indicate that the Ponzi is about to collapse. I've withdrawn all of the BTC I had in Pirate funds.

It's probably a Ponzi. It's almost certainly not legitimate.

It seems to have a lot of growth, so I'd guess that it'll last at least a few more months. I'm gambling a small amount of money in it.



Based on that thread, it seems all Theymos possibly needs to do is to apologize to the community for his short-sightedness and disgorge ill-gotten profits, perhaps by making a donation to a worthwhile cause.

No way. All BS&T investors should have known the risks before investing. A 7% weekly interest rate is obviously incredibly risky, even if the interest is generated legitimately. I gambled and, though I was prepared to lose it all, I was lucky enough to win. Others who were not so lucky have no right to complain to me.
4832  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 48 on: August 27, 2012, 02:45:35 PM
Whoops, I made a mistake with the timing. Next week's slots (round 47) are already sold, so I should have had this auction end around the 3rd of September instead of now...

I'll wait a while to start another auction thread.
4833  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 48 on: August 27, 2012, 02:37:39 PM
Final result:
Slots BTC Person
4 4 cablepair
2 2 TangibleCryptography
1 1.5 TGJJ
1 1 CoinLab
4834  Economy / Securities / Re: Idea for a BS&T security on: August 27, 2012, 02:27:50 PM
I ended up making ~50 BTC on TYGRR.BOND-P, which I'm pretty happy about. I sold long before the default. Thanks for creating it!

I do tend to think it's a Ponzi scheme, so I view it as a form of gambling. Hopefully no one else is gambling more than they can afford to lose.
4835  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How did Satoshi register bitcoin.org? on: August 27, 2012, 06:00:12 AM
Theymos maybe you want to post a more appropriate source.

Satoshi owns the domain so this is up to him.

I remember that bitcoin.org was registered with Anonymous Speech when Satoshi owned it. You can probably confirm this with one of the services that provide historical whois data.
4836  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: anyone reckon the value of bitcoin will double in the next 12 months? on: August 27, 2012, 05:03:29 AM
I wouldn't be surprised. I don't think the price will go below $6, and I don't think it'll go above $30 in the next 12 months.
4837  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How did Satoshi register bitcoin.org? on: August 26, 2012, 09:47:52 PM
bitcoin.org was originally owned by Satoshi. He registered it through https://www.anonymousspeech.com
4838  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transactions per block on: August 26, 2012, 05:49:56 AM
3500 transactions, maybe.

What will happen if there will be so many users of bitcoin, will that mean sending coins will be delayed?

Transactions with the default fee will be delayed. Transactions with higher fees will get priority.
4839  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transactions per block on: August 26, 2012, 05:11:49 AM
There's no specific limit on the number of transactions, though blocks can't be larger than 1MB and most miners won't create blocks larger than 250-500 kB.
4840  Economy / Securities / Re: A BTC stock exchange for high-risk, unverified securities? on: August 25, 2012, 09:42:06 PM
Yeah, this is necessary if GLBSE won't accept them anymore. MPEx's fees are insane.
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