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4841  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 02, 2014, 03:11:26 PM
Dow down again.  for sure we'll get a weekly sell signal by the end of tomorrow unless something gets done quick.

VIX on the rise yet again and looking to break out.  fear is on the rise.

sounds simple enough, but diversify out of some risk assets and into something non-correlated:

4842  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 02, 2014, 02:49:46 AM
Cypher, what are your thoughts on short term silver? I want to take a longer term position but short term I'm still worried.

Silver moves with gold. Short term up but beyond that, down.
4843  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 02, 2014, 02:23:35 AM
we're gonna get a long awaited gold bounce for the gold bugs, maybe up to the resistance level as drawn:



the mirror image of this should be a drop in $DXY down to its support level:


4844  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin made rich just a few but it ruined many on: October 02, 2014, 01:48:01 AM
It's funny how much this mimics the sort of talk that was going around in 2011.  I feel like I am reading those posts as if it were yesterday.

yep.  i won't ever forget that facepalm pic!  Wink
4845  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 02, 2014, 12:10:06 AM
since we spent some time talking about the blockchain today, it occurred to me that it would be interesting to compare the costs of global accounting with the Bitcoin market cap, given that the blockchain is just one big ledger.  i didn't do much other than google the top 100 accounting firms in the world and eyeball add what appears to be their networth.  the top 10 total approx. $6 billion in value which is more than Bitcoin's $5 billion at this point.  and that's not counting all the other global firms and types of accounting at corporate and small business levels.  if someone wanted to do a more in depth analysis, it would make for a great study:

http://www.brw.com.au/lists/top-100-accounting-firms/2013/
4846  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 11:51:57 PM
this made me laugh.  but it's true and quite clever.  Daniel is the only guy with any substance at the Nakamoto Institute:

Every government agent has the opportunity and incentive to be an early adopter today, and the greater the incentive, the more likely is it that any government attack will be sabotaged by an early adopter among the agents carrying out the attack.

http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoins-obscene-wealth-disparity-is-a-feature/

i think it is amusing when thinking about a gvt led 51% attack in mining.
4847  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 11:48:37 PM
All we need is greed. All we need is for Bitcoin to get close to ATH again and we are off to the races.

you beat me to it, altho it doesn't need to get to the ATH.

all that is needed is for the price to start rising again.
4848  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 07:15:54 PM
https://twitter.com/cypherdoc2/status/517392355000070145
4849  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
another potential support breaker; oil

4850  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 06:00:28 PM
i love the smell of fear in the morning:

4851  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 05:56:25 PM
https://twitter.com/cypherdoc2/status/517372347356315652
4852  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 05:52:02 PM

Given that we know the BGP is mathematically unsolvable

i've heard this a few times already.

can u give a simple layman's description to why this is?
4853  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 05:42:17 PM
Dow -255
4854  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 05:41:55 PM
"The Blockchain may only ever be applicable to Bitcoin as Money".
I think you can make an even stronger statement:

"A distributed consensus ledger can only survive if it is successful as money."

Note that Bitcoin did not solve the Byzantine Generals Problem because that problem is unsolvable. Bitcoin made it so that any successful attack is uneconomical. That only works if bitcoins are valued as money.

This means anything that tries to replace Bitcoin's functionality will either do so by being better money or else won't be a distributed consensus ledger.

i think we're making the same argument only in slightly different ways.  i've already expounded on the details as to why i believe this in past posts.

also, i think your statement is only stronger b/c you left out the word "may", whereas i intentionally include it as i can't be totally sure.
4855  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 05:15:43 PM
Dow -222
4856  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 05:14:30 PM
Moreover, as suggested above, this is another attempt at suggesting other applications of the distributed ledger are more useful than the money application which is patently false.



imo, the money function is paramount and foremost, which is why i often say "The Blockchain may only ever be applicable to Bitcoin as Money".
4857  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 05:11:24 PM
good sign.  some idiot tried to trigger a sell off with a 1400 BTC sell/short but has failed:

4858  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
$DXY still going up tonite.  sidhuajag, i still don't see how stocks keep rising in the face of this, despite your reasoning:


I think they will wait for usdx retrace... Higher lows for both... Someone ban this lambchop guy seriously offtopic

what's interesting is i have intermediate-term sell signals this past week on the S&P, NDX, Wilshire 5000, the $DJT and even the Dow Jones World Index.

Intermediate-term sell signals were also triggered on the French CAC and the German DAX.

the $DJI is the only holdout.

extrapolating forward to the end of week, it looks like we're going to get a weekly (intermediate term) sell signal on the Dow.  that's a significant development as it has been the only holdout from the above indices.  given where we are in the cycles, there is a chance this could be a long term top in the stock mkt.  mind you as i've said before, i don't have the structural evidence yet that this is the case.  former subs will know what i'm talking about.  but i am on high alert.

like i also said, this would be good for Bitcoin, as it would cause a RunToSafety and could also highlight the benefits of non-correlated assets from the general financial world of which there is only one, imo.

4859  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
trying to make Bitcoin consistent with the RT is like trying to jam a square peg into a round hole.

it'll go in eventually if you hammer it hard enough.
4860  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 01, 2014, 03:51:57 PM
must listen podcast of Robert Murphy by Tom Woods on Bitcoin and the Regression Theorum.  it's a little past halfway in the podcast:

http://www.schiffradio.com/pg/jsp/verticals/archive.jsp

Murphy's Conclusions:

1.  Bitcoin is unique in that it was developed from the start to be a form of money and did not evolve as a commodity.
2.  Bitcoin leapfrogged the barter phase whereby it would have established it's own relative value (intrinsic value) as a commodity in the market place against other items prior to becoming a medium of exchange.
3.  the Regression Theorum is too restrictive as it could not have predicted something as innovative as Bitcoin.

i extend his conclusions to say the Jeffrey Tucker's theory that Bitcoin only has value primarily b/c of it's payment network to be wrong.  Woods alludes to Tucker's theory in the interview but clearly disagrees with it.  Woods makes the correct argument that the reason ppl value the payment network is b/c the Bitcoin currency has value to begin with.  IOW, the payment network would be worthless if Bitcoin the currency was worthless.  this is where Andreas is also wrong when he says Bitcoin the currency is merely the 1st app existing on what is the real value, the blockchain and that they can be separated.  same argument as Tucker's, same wrong conclusion.

also by extension, Konrad Graf's theory that the RT is consistent with Bitcoin's origin is also tenuous, if not wrong, altho not quite as aggregious in its conclusions as Tucker and Andreas.  as far as i'm concerned, Mises is a great economist who was right on just about all things except for the fact that his RT did not, and could not, have been expected to have predicted something like Bitcoin which depends on the Internet and a scale of global communication never before seen in human history.

my final conclusion is the same one i've had since i started with Bitcoin back in 2011, and that is that Bitcoin the currency is inextricably linked to Bitcoin the blockchain and Bitcoin the payment network. 
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