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5341  Economy / Economics / Re: Does anyone else feel like Bitcoin is a safe investment? on: May 13, 2014, 07:33:14 PM
Safe to use, but not at all safe as an investment.
5342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: More Acceptance of Bitcoin! on: May 13, 2014, 07:28:15 PM
Seems balanced to me? They are not saying anything against bitcoin or it's use. It is just warning that there are scammers trying to use the confusion people have to take advantage of them. Beware when investing your bitcoin. That's good advice.
5343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Texas oil company attacked by government for accepting Bitcoin investments on: May 13, 2014, 07:19:37 PM
So actually... A warning about a phoney company that is trying to scam people out of their bitcoin. Basically a new twist on a very old oil well scam. But of course here where the government is always bad, it's an attack on bitcoin.
5344  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NSA reform: lawmakers aim to bar agency from weakening encryption on: May 13, 2014, 05:55:42 PM
Since we're on topic, ...
You know you have popular support when Rand Paul and Dennis Kucinich are on the same side.
5345  Other / Off-topic / Re: How much cash do you carry? on: May 13, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
I have BTC0.24807 on me. No dollars. Oh, and a starbucks gift card.
5346  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Foundation members are resigning! on: May 13, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
But again, look how much confusion there is. Brock was apparently "accused"...
Therefore the whole thing must be disbanded.
Must implies it will happen. Yet it is highly unlikely.
People also seem to think the foundation represents anarchists and revolutionaries.
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Proof? Who thinks  that? TBF represents only itself - its board and its members. These members are certainly not anarchists nor revolutionaries but well adapted to societal norms.
How bout a few post above "TBF should be aware they're voicing for kinda anarchists-liberals people"

In fact it represents bitcoin.

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An outrageous and impertinent claim. They've enthroned themselves as bitcoin overlords with ZERO legitimacy.
Where does it say that in our charter?

Math is not moral or political and there are communists, libertarians, Jihadists, etc. using bitcoin. It is a global phenomenon and includes many people who would disagree with any of us. 

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You state obvious facts which never have been disputed and are in fact a counterargument against your defense of TBF.
Don't understand what your saying?

It is self delusion to think doing nothing will make all the regulators go away. There will be more laws the only question is what they will be.

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It was never claimed that regulators would go away. They will try to enforce regulation with or without TBF. But with TBF it will be much easier for them to accomplish their destructive goals because of the central TBF-bootlicker-access-point. And when they have achieved a bit of regulation they want more...
So do you pay taxes? Why are you a boot licker or something?
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The problem of regulation must be circumvented and made obsolete through the advancement of bitcoin technology (>> enhanced privacy and decentralization).
That's just laughable.

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You can't negotiate with people that have all the power who either don't understand bitcoin, are ignorant, or are actively combating bitcoins promise for the majority. To trust in the word of such people is plain dumb.
You can, and I do. And they do not have the power.
5347  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Decentralized Union - New Bitcoin/Crypto Foundation on: May 13, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
Some good ideas here. +1
5348  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin Andresen Steps Down as Bitcoin’s Lead Developer on: May 13, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
The signal to noise ratio on this damn forum is asymptotically approaching zero.
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Lol, true that. No one even tries anymore. They read the headline, invent a bullshit story, then make bold statements based on what they just made up. At least it's entertaining.  Cheesy
5349  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Foundation members are resigning! on: May 13, 2014, 02:44:19 PM
But again, look how much confusion there is. Brock was apparently "accused" of something 15 years ago, but there is no evidence or a trial or anything. Do you know something? If you do please call the police. I myself did not vote for him however an accusation is not enough to ask for his seat, which he was elected too. If something had been discovered it would be him leaving the foundation, not me.

People also seem to think the foundation represents anarchists and revolutionaries. In fact it represents bitcoin. Math is not moral or political and there are communists, libertarians, Jihadists, etc. using bitcoin. It is a global phenomenon and includes many people who would disagree with any of us. 
It is self delusion to think doing nothing will make all the regulators go away. There will be more laws the only question is what they will be.
5350  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 100 Pyongyang Citizens (DPRK) Exiled for Foreign Content Exposure on: May 12, 2014, 05:57:03 PM
They were like EXILE, YES!!!!111!1  Kiss

Oh wait, internal exile.   Cry
5351  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mastercard hired 5 lobbyists to slam bitcoin in US Congress on: May 12, 2014, 05:50:11 PM
By this time next year it may be all over and MasterCard's smart approach to lobbying could put them in the position of directly writing the laws that you will obey or be fined and arrested for rejecting. It is very common for lobbyist to write laws these days.
The RIAA and MPAA were in the same position of writing the laws that you will obey or be fined and arrested for rejecting for over 10 years.

Yet The Pirate Bay is still online.

Unless we organize and show a united front our opinions are worthless to lawmakers.
You're begging the question of whether or not the opinions of lawmakers are worth anything to us.

If it takes Mastercard a year to get some new legislation through, the technology needed to circumvent those laws will have a year to develop.
Good example. The RIAA and MPAA vs. customers was a freedom fight. They got most of what they wanted but users were able to change the music and movie industry forever. It is not exactly the same though. Music piracy was and is stealing and was subject to existing law. Laws they fought for with their lobby.
As far as the worth of lawmakers. well, I may choose to ignore the laws I disagree with. But when I'm in court that is not going anywhere. I might as well announce that I no longer am subject to any laws.
Your last point about getting the technology ahead of them is a real hope. It is why we have had a neutral Internet till now. Maybe it will all turn out alright?  personally I don't like to wait for things to happen to me. I like to make thing happen for myself. MasterCard has no other enemies than us. The foundation has to fight them while trying to convince people they are not secretly controlled by ______________(insert group here).
5352  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Foundation members are resigning! on: May 12, 2014, 05:27:00 PM
@rodeoX are you part of TBF?!
I am. I don't hold a seat or anything. But there needs to be an org to talk to lawmakers and the people who work hard there (different than the celebs) are making a difference at a very high level. People like Patrick Murck, Brian Gross, Elizabeth Plowshay, Jim Harper, Jinyoung Englund, and others.

People here seem to love to play the victim and fight all power. Even when that power is acting on their behalf. I think we are at a critical moment in the fight for our economic future and our bitcoin rights. Banks and other players are making there moves in a sensible organized way. While we bitch at each other and spew ridiculous conspiracy theories. That sort of thing is not going to get you anywhere with regulators.

I am open to other groups or efforts. The foundation could be one of may prongs. But ranting to the quire on a random internet forum produces nothing of value; except the value they provide bank lobbyist.  Undecided

 

5353  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mastercard hired 5 lobbyists to slam bitcoin in US Congress on: May 12, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
I think MasterCard has a good chance of winning this fight. The bitcoin community is scattered and infighting. The bank industry players are all on the same page. The bitcoin community has lost it's focus on economic freedom and many/most players are only interested in getting rich quick. The banks know exactly what they want and I suspect they will get it.
By this time next year it may be all over and MasterCard's smart approach to lobbying could put them in the position of directly writing the laws that you will obey or be fined and arrested for rejecting. It is very common for lobbyist to write laws these days. Unless we organize and show a united front our opinions are worthless to lawmakers. 
5354  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Foundation members are resigning! on: May 12, 2014, 04:38:56 PM
I'm sure our overlords in Washington will do a good job coming up with their own laws. Who needs a foundation? I say we stop fighting for our rights and go with whatever reqirements regulators and banking lobbyists come up with.  Oh yes, the banking industry is not going to stop lobbying for their interests. They will dominate the discussion and get whatever they can get away with.
If I were a bank I would re-double my efforts right now and preclude any talk of bitcoin ATMs or selling/buying bitcoin without an expensive trade license. I would also go after your ISP for allowing bitcoin to exist on their network. You know, to keep the terrorists at bay. 
 

I see the light.  Only the mighty Foundation stands between bitcoin cryptocurrency freedom and Orwellian doom.


Almost. Only WE stand between these things. You and me fellow peer. Hey we should organize a fight! We could start some kind of.... Oh, I don't know... a foundation or something.  Cheesy
5355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin will visit the Council on Foreign Relations on: May 12, 2014, 04:30:09 PM

you see this thread? why is this ponzi type scheme even here!!!!>>  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549485.0

*are you behind this? Why would the Bitcoin Foundation let this stay here? ideas? thanks, your friend BB

What does the bitcoin foundation have to do with that? And under what authority would the foundation tell people what they should and shouldn't do with their money? The foundation advocates for bitcoin, they do not make rules.
5356  Other / Politics & Society / Re: BitLicenses is come on: May 12, 2014, 04:22:43 PM
I don't think it's good news. Bitcoin should not go down the road of special laws. There is no end to that road.  Undecided
5357  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Accidentally sent my bitcoins to my send address, HELP???? on: May 12, 2014, 04:20:39 PM
ah! sorry, really silly moment!

I've just realised the send funds data was still left in my multibit from the last transaction, luckily this was to my own exchange account!

Sorry for wasting anyones time, but coins now received!  Grin



Great news! Normally this sort of thing ends badly.  Cheesy
5358  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Foundation members are resigning! on: May 12, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
I'm sure our overlords in Washington will do a good job coming up with their own laws. Who needs a foundation? I say we stop fighting for our rights and go with whatever reqirements regulators and banking lobbyists come up with.  Oh yes, the banking industry is not going to stop lobbying for their interests. They will dominate the discussion and get whatever they can get away with.
If I were a bank I would re-double my efforts right now and preclude any talk of bitcoin ATMs or selling/buying bitcoin without an expensive trade license. I would also go after your ISP for allowing bitcoin to exist on their network. You know, to keep the terrorists at bay. 
 
5359  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Accidentally sent my bitcoins to my send address, HELP???? on: May 12, 2014, 03:52:17 PM
Can you post the address to which you sent the bitcoin? It can be entered at http://blockchain.info/ and may help you figure it all out.
5360  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin was backed by Gold, how would it change its adoption? on: May 12, 2014, 03:37:40 PM
Backing just re-introduces counterparty risk and we're back at square one with this whole thing.
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Amen! If you are willing to take on the risk of another entity then you should use dollars. They are backed by the government. They have a sketchy record, but still may be more trustworthy than most companies. 
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