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541  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Sipa what have you done ? on: July 12, 2015, 04:49:42 PM
I don't think I completely follow you. I understand that you aren't talking about the regular Bitcoin client, but a custom DNS server written by sipa called bitcoin-seeder.

Do the abuse reports mention too much incoming DNS queries or too much outgoing connection attempts or something else? What was the nature of the patch that you had to do to avoid tripping the hoster's defense system?

Thanks in advance.
542  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-QT 0.10.2 crashes on: July 10, 2015, 06:15:39 PM
OMG! It has nothing to do with windows! I was asking about bitcoin client. You obviously have no experience with software like that. Some firewalls (sidewinder, watchguard) use that principle. You have GUI client that you install on windows/linux that connects to the firewall itself to configure it, and watch status. Again, it has nothing to do with desktop!  One more time: could I run bitcoin daemon (on freebsd for all that matters ) and use gui portion (on windows/linux/mac/pcbds) to view status or send/receive btc that connects to bitcoin daemon that runs on a separate hardware? It has nothing to do with VNC/RDP/XDMCP. You, sir, obviously do not know the answer otherwise instead of saying
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In effect you've asked "How can I make Microsoft Windows behave like X Windows or Wayland?".
you would just said "no, this is not possible" or "yes, it is possible here is how you do it".
You are absolutely right, I completely misunderstood your requirements and needs. I could never really understand the people who are afraid of the command prompt.

Since Bitcoin is an open source software it is possible and doable to do what you need. One way is to recompile the Qt on Windows not against the native windowing interface but against the X-windows emulation layer like PTC MKS Toolkit for Enterprise Developers (formerly NuTCRACKER). http://www.mkssoftware.com/ This is probably at most couple of days of work to rebuild it in that configuration. But who's going to use it, besides you?
543  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 10, 2015, 05:55:52 PM
So your take is that devs are going full "political" rather than technical? (serious question)

If yes, what's the way to unlock this impasse?
Exactly. The heavy political bent of the core developers was obvious to me since I joined this forum. I just underestimated the amount of internal tension and mutual distrust within that group until the March 2013 event.

My proposal was published late 2011 and I always wear it in my signature:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0

In one sentence:

Don't sign political slogans like "Chancellor on the brink...", sign the "digital prospectus" specifying exactly the rules of consensus and explicitly track their inevitable changes as the world evolves, including through the splits and joins that form a DAG (directed acyclic graph), not just forks.

Posted in this thread couple of days ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg11664787#msg11664787

544  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-QT 0.10.2 crashes on: July 10, 2015, 06:32:43 AM
that was not the question. the question was: can I run that daemon on one computer and GUI portion on the other computer and connect to daemon remotely so I could manage daemon using GUI remotely.  I am aware of console options, but this is not what I'm looking for here
I'm sorry, but you are so flabbergasting, that I don't know what to say.

In effect you've asked "How can I make Microsoft Windows behave like X Windows or Wayland?".
545  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-QT 0.10.2 crashes on: July 10, 2015, 04:21:53 AM
Dude, WTF?

You didn't notice the "daemon" subdirectory and the "bitcoind.exe" there?

How retarded is that?
546  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 10, 2015, 02:47:11 AM
I think you're reading too much into it. The point is simpler: if we are to take the argument that "devs know best because they have proven themselves" at face value, the only dev we could credit as having any evidence of being a good incentive designer is Satoshi, since he is the one who designed the incentives. I'm not idolizing Satoshi, just pointing out that the other devs have no track record on that front, so it wouldn't make sense to expect them to be particularly skilled at it.
Where do you want to go with that strawman "devs know best..."?

The more-than-one-dimension thinking is much simpler:

The "dev" members of the core development team were (and are) the people who are willing to lie and misrepresent on absolutely any issue for some short term gain. Those lies aren't only related to the economic issues, they are also related to the strictly technical matters.

I would expect that any non-one-dimensional person will recognize the current discussion as another variant of "how many angels can fit in the mempool?"

Three years ago it was "[POLL] Multi-sig or scalability--which is more pressing?"

blah blah blah blah
Gentle reminder to the other bitcoin developers: it is generally best not to feed trolls.  Use the ignore button.

The immoral equivalent of Gavin Andresen, Mike Hearn, Gregory Maxwell (and others)pontificating on the database technology would be an ophthalmologist (like cypherdoc) giving supposedly professional advice on complications of pregnancy. Fortunately for all of us the "docs" have a code of ethics.

Unfortunately for us there's no ethical code for the "devs". Sa anyone can pontificate about mempool, which is basically a really lame implementation of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-memory_database .

It doesn't take years of medical studies to understand the difference between ophthalmologist and obstetrician.

It shouldn't need years of engineering studies to understand that there's no real technical discussion going on between the various sub-camps in the developer's camp.
547  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 10, 2015, 12:28:57 AM
Not sure what you're on about, but the point here is merely to illustrate a particular dynamic: how something maintained by a group of people can appear consistent because of reasons other than the consistency of opinion and background of such people, when it is really that very thing that accounts for the consistency. Whether Hasnas is actually right about the US legal system is completely irrelevant for my purposes here (though if you really want to discuss legal theory in particular at least read the whole essay; this quote is pretty out-of-context).
Sorry, bro. This cannot be explained in the single forum post. The best I could do is give you a link to a philosophy book by Herbert Marcuse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Dimensional_Man

Essentially the thinking you espouse is a moral equivalent of:

a) football https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultras "What is the best football team and why Manchester United?"

b) post-communist intellectuals who consider Marxism the pinnacle of human thought
They're experts at {snippage}, not at {more snippage} (except Satoshi, of course).
just substitute any of combination of {Marx,Engels,Lenin,Stalin,Mao,...} in place of Satoshi.

548  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 09, 2015, 11:42:24 PM
Branching into law, here's a quote from John Hasnas, the Hayekian legal professor (emphasis mine):
How profoundly naïve and myopic point of view! How exceptionally Anglocentric to the point of parochialism! What a beautiful example of "Here be dragons" from somebody who is considered "learned" amongst the Anglophiles.

Here are my standard two links I send to the lawyers who attempt to do common law reasoning to the rest of the world and the rest of the history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adversarial_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisitorial_system

I'm going to preserve the whole quote for my future reference. This type of reasoning typically comes from various "diploma mill (or step above)" graduates and political apparatchiks, but this one is actually very well written.
Branching into law, here's a quote from John Hasnas, the Hayekian legal professor (emphasis mine):


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I have been arguing that the law is inherently indeterminate, and further, that this may not be such a bad thing. I realize, however, that you may still not be convinced. Even if you are now willing to admit that the law is somewhat indeterminate, you probably believe that I have vastly exaggerated the degree to which this is true. After all, it is obvious that the law cannot be radically indeterminate. If this were the case, the law would be completely unpredictable. Judges hearing similar cases would render wildly divergent decisions. There would be no stability or uniformity in the law. But, as imperfect as the current legal system may be, this is clearly not the case.

The observation that the legal system is highly stable is, of course, correct, but it is a mistake to believe that this is because the law is determinate. The stability of the law derives not from any feature of the law itself, but from the overwhelming uniformity of ideological background among those empowered to make legal decisions. Consider who the judges are in this country. Typically, they are people from a solid middle- to upper-class background who performed well at an appropriately prestigious undergraduate institution; demonstrated the ability to engage in the type of analytical reasoning that is measured by the standardized Law School Admissions Test; passed through the crucible of law school, complete with its methodological and political indoctrination; and went on to high-profile careers as attorneys, probably with a prestigious Wall Street-style law firm. To have been appointed to the bench, it is virtually certain that they were both politically moderate and well-connected, and, until recently, white males of the correct ethnic and religious pedigree. It should be clear that, culturally speaking, such a group will tend to be quite homogeneous, sharing a great many moral, spiritual, and political beliefs and values. Given this, it can hardly be surprising that there will be a high degree of agreement among judges as to how cases ought to be decided. But this agreement is due to the common set of normative presuppositions the judges share, not some immanent, objective meaning that exists within the rules of law.

In fact, however, the law is not truly stable, since it is continually, if slowly, evolving in response to changing social mores and conditions. This evolution occurs because each new generation of judges brings with it its own set of "progressive" normative assumptions. As the older generation passes from the scene, these assumptions come to be shared by an ever-increasing percentage of the judiciary. Eventually, they become the consensus of opinion among judicial decisionmakers, and the law changes to reflect them. Thus, a generation of judges that regarded "separate but equal" as a perfectly legitimate interpretation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment gave way to one which interpreted that clause as prohibiting virtually all governmental actions that classify individuals by race, which, in turn, gave way to one which interpreted the same language to permit "benign" racial classifications designed to advance the social status of minority groups. In this way, as the moral and political values conventionally accepted by society change over time, so too do those embedded in the law.

The law appears to be stable because of the slowness with which it evolves. But the slow pace of legal development is not due to any inherent characteristic of the law itself. Logically speaking, any conclusion, however radical, is derivable from the rules of law. It is simply that, even between generations, the range of ideological opinion represented on the bench is so narrow that anything more than incremental departures from conventional wisdom and morality will not be respected within the profession. Such decisions are virtually certain to be overturned on appeal, and thus, are rarely even rendered in the first instance.

Confirming evidence for this thesis can be found in our contemporary judicial history. Over the past quarter-century, the "diversity" movement has produced a bar, and concomitantly a bench, somewhat more open to people of different racial, sexual, ethnic, and socio-economic backgrounds. To some extent, this movement has produced a judiciary that represents a broader range of ideological viewpoints than has been the case in the past. Over the same time period, we have seen an accelerated rate of legal change. Today, long-standing precedents are more freely overruled, novel theories of liability are more frequently accepted by the courts, and different courts hand down different, and seemingly irreconcilable, decisions more often. In addition, it is worth noting that recently, the chief complaint about the legal system seems to concern the degree to which it has become "politicized." This suggests that as the ideological solidarity of the judiciary breaks down, so too does the predictability of legal decisionmaking, and hence, the stability of the law. Regardless of this trend, I hope it is now apparent that to assume that the law is stable because it is determinate is to reverse cause and effect. Rather, it is because the law is basically stable that it appears to be determinate. It is not rule of law that gives us a stable legal system; it is the stability of the culturally shared values of the judiciary that gives rise to and supports the myth of the rule of law.

We could rewrite the bold text to make a fundamental point about Bitcoin forks and open source in general:

"The observation that Bitcoin is highly stable is, of course, correct, but it is a mistake to believe that this is because it is "governed by impartial math" or code. The stability of Bitcoin derives not from any feature of the code itself, but from the overwhelming uniformity of ideological background and interests among its investors and other stakeholders."

The correct way to think about it is that Bitcoin is constantly forking, just usually to the same thing, because the stakeholders by default desire constancy. But by the same token, whenever Bitcoin needs to change to better serve what its investors/stakeholders deem to be its purpose, that continual forking - like someone just repeatedly pushing a button marked "STATUS QUO" - will shift easily to the necessary change. Of course this will essentially never involve changing the monetary parameters, because - again - that would be the "third rail" for investors and other stakeholders. They will ONLY support changes that add value.

It is not, like the code-focused devs imagine, a matter of stakeholders desiring that "the code" remain constant, but a matter of them desiring that "the code + the environment it interacts with = the resulting effective functionality of Bitcoin in the world" remain constant. If and when that environment changes, the code must also change: in this case, when there is greater adoption and higher technology available, especially with altcoins nipping at Bitcoin's heels, the code must change just to keep the final result (the effective functionality of Bitcoin in the world) constant.
549  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: New achivement. The biggest tx on: July 07, 2015, 09:48:25 PM
It is still not crashing at my end. In case, it is crashing at your end, here is a list of alternatives...
The crash/hang is actually a symptom of the site activating its DDoS defenses.

If you are on an ISP with few bitcoiners the DDoS defenders are unlikely to activate the throttle/reduction and other defenses. You may be also accessing that site during the time when most of the people are asleep in your area.

Thanks for the alternate links, but please be aware of the above issues when posting easily clickable links. I have a proxy/vpn on the opposite side of the Globe, that does succeed loading that page.

550  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: New achivement. The biggest tx on: July 07, 2015, 08:45:19 PM
So just getting all of someones satoshis together takes up an entire block and crashes block explorers?
Why is it being marked as a double spend by blockchain.info?

Seems weird to me, with stress tests and forks recently there have been a few mishaps in the last few days, this seems like another.

This one is not crashing...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/bb41a757f405890fb0f5856228e23b715702d714d59bf2b1feb70d8b2b4e3e08
Now that you posted a link it got jinxed and crashes/hangs too.

Kinda cool way to show the weakness of the "web-based services" paradigm: they can't tell the sudden spike of popularity from a garden-variety DDoS. And all this added JavaScript sauce, it could really serve as an example how not to design UI widget architectures.
551  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 07, 2015, 08:08:37 PM
:really off topic but I so rarely can add to the discussions. Tongue

Actually in order to address memory out of the address range of the cpu bus a "page swap" method was used which had been used on mainframes for many years, this was called expanded memory and was in 16k chunks which was very slow. with the 286 line extended memory was introduced and the cpu had to go into extended mode in order to access it. That of course if my memory serves me.
You should maybe serve your memory some fish, so that it could serve you better. Tongue

You've conflated several related concepts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_memory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanded_memory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_mode
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDC_6600 and search for "ECS" (Extended Core Storage)
552  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: F2pool and 1mb spam block on: July 07, 2015, 07:50:21 PM
https://blockchain.info/block/000000000000000003dd2fdbb484d6d9c349d644d8bbb3cbfa5e67f639a465fe
Why would f2pool mine a block with only this transaction? A 1mb spam transaction with no fees.
It is actually spam cleanup transaction: it reduces the UTxO set by spending 5569 previous 1000 satoshi payments.

If you want to continue an intelligent discussion please lock this thread and post your observations in the dev subforum thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1112943.0 .
553  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: New achivement. The biggest tx on: July 07, 2015, 06:56:26 PM
This block crashes many web-based blockchain browsers, including the linked one.

So the relevant information is:

1) mined by Chinese pool f2pool
2) contains only 2 transactions: coinbase and single regular one
3) the regular one has no fees, but 5569 inputs and 1 one output. It appears to mop up dust outputs for a total of BTC0.05569000
4) it probably should get a medal for UTxO minification
5) the total block size is 999,923 bytes

Edit: Nothing to add, just quoting the reply from Danny in case he changes it:
This block crashes many web-based blockchain browsers, including the linked one.

So the relevant information is:

1) mined by Chinese pool f2pool
2) contains only 2 transactions: coinbase and single regular one
3) the regular one has no fees, but 5569 inputs and 1 one output. It appears to mop up dust outputs for a total of BTC0.05569000
4) it probably should get a medal for UTxO minification
5) the total block size is 999,923 bytes


The BTC0.05569000 total is paid to the same address as the coinbase transaction.  As such, it would appear that the transaction was built by the pool, and that the entire transaction is fees.
554  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: July 06, 2015, 05:04:04 PM
You appear to be mixing up Ukraine and Belarus geographically. Belarus is landlocked. Ukraine, though the ports of Odessa and Mariupol, has access to the Black Sea and further to the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean.
It is not only me that is "mixing up". 20th century "mixed up" the people living in those lands something fierce.

First there was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line .

Then there were some lines in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact .

Then there was plain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_Line .

And then they had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakerzonia .

And I'm most likely missing some other "lines".

It isn't a simple two-side conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

The real solution will have to involve cooperation of all involved peoples: Byelorussians, Poles, Russians and Ukrainians.

Edit: URL markup fixed.
555  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-qt reindexing again? on: July 06, 2015, 04:26:42 PM
Thanks, I am doing that right now. So, if next time I open bitcoin core it gives me the reindex problem again, can I just unzip this chainstate directory and replace the one in appdata/bitcoin with this backup and then no need to reindex again?
Yes, that's the idea.

I have some experimental drivers on my laptop and they occasionally blue-screen it. Thus far I tried 7-unzip twice and in both cases it worked and saved lot of re-indexing time. I just delete what's left in the chainstate directory right after blue-screen.

Interestingly Litecoin doesn't suffer the chainstate corruption under exactly same circumstances.

556  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: July 06, 2015, 04:09:54 AM
Humorous value aside, this is not a mistranslation. Smiley
The article speaks about "ВМФ", an abbreviation for "Военно-Морской Флот" - literally "Military-Sea(faring) Fleet".

Ukraine inherited its Navy from USSR, but it was in the state of neglect in the subsequent 25 years, just like the rest of Ukraine. When Crimea reunited with Russia, part of the Ukrainian Navy vessels that were stationed in Sevastopol, were towed to Odessa (they could not go under their own steam), and part were abandoned as scrap metal as they were not seaworthy, for Russia to deal with them.
I'm not going to disagree with you because I'm at most quarter-literate in the languages used there.

Nota bene: In the linked article I see the phrase "военно-морские силы (ВМС) Украины", which would be more like "war(time)-sea(faring) forces". Wikipedia shows the proper Ukrainian translation as "Військово-морські сили".

So if not mistranslation, it could be called "really sloppy reporting".

From the military point of view the sensible deployment would require cooperation of Byelarus because of the geographical constraints of the in-land waterways navigation.

Edit: One more link about the military importance of the "landlocked navy" there during the 20th century wars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_Marshes
557  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-qt reindexing again? on: July 05, 2015, 06:14:55 PM
Besides making sure that bitcoin core is completely closed the next time I close it, IS THERE ANYWAY THAT I CAN MAKE A BACKUP OF THE BLOCKCHAIN ONCE IT'S FULLY REINDEXED SO THAT I CAN USE THAT BACKUP IN CASE I AM HAVING TO REINDEX AGAIN ?
Use e.g. 7-Zip in "Synchronize files" mode to archive the "chainstate" directory, because this is the one that's get corrupted most often. When in doubt read the "debug.log".
558  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: [ANN pre-alfa] Own full bitcoin node in Amazon Cloud, with auto start of server on: July 05, 2015, 04:56:55 PM
Dude!

Who cares that his copy of blockchain was erased? It is supposed to be the same all over the world.

The main thing about instances you advised:

"The local instance store volumes that are available to the instance. The data in an instance store is not permanent - it persists only during the lifetime of the instance."
It mean that if you shutdown the server, all data will be lost.

Are you trying to pretend to be a retard that compares spot prices with normal prices? Why?

I thought that m1.small and m1.medium is not available for spot request, now i'm found it.
And i think that you recommend to use normal instances for storage, spot instances allways fully deleted after shutdown.
I don't understand what you mean, because one type of spot instance you can change to another type of spot instance by design in config file.

Ok, one more time:
Instance type you can edit in config file.
Big local hard drive you can't use in both types of instances, because they are temporary.

I keep calling you are shill, because you keep treating blockchain like somehow unique and valuable data resource. It isn't. The real valuable data can be stored on an EBS volume of minimal size or in S3 snapshots. All else is just overhead and paying to keep it stored is just plain dumb.

If you want to do something valuable devise a way of storing blockchain in the Amazon RDS or DynamoDB and a way to interface them with the Bitcoin-Core. This way the blockchain will be stored only once per AWS region and will be treated like true shared resource it is.

That would be what makes the cloud computing shine technically: shared data is truly shared.
559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: July 05, 2015, 04:34:57 PM
Ukrainian Navy? That thing still exists? A year ago, I heard that 80% of the Naval servicemen defected to the Russian side, and the rest simply retired as Crimea was merged with the Russian Federation. They re-created the Ukrainian Navy from the scratch? Are they using fishing boats in the place of frigates?
It is probably mistranslation to English from one of the Slavic languages.

The river-boat flotilla operations were (and probably still are) important in a wetland areas crisscrossed with many rivers and canals.

Short historical military relevant information:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverine_Flotilla_of_the_Polish_Navy

560  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: [ANN pre-alfa] Own full bitcoin node in Amazon Cloud, with auto start of server on: July 05, 2015, 06:34:39 AM
normal m1.small    cost $0.044/hour, but i'm not sure that it must work with full node in production.
normal m1.medium cost $0.087/hour
spot   m3.medium cost $0.009/hour and the price may vary.

http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/purchasing-options/spot-instances

The type of server is doesn't matter here, and it's just microeconomics. Add support of normal instances is very easy, it is much easier then do the work with spot instances, that's why I added them first.

Magnetic hard disk not used IOPS.

Very surprised to hear about my commission from Amazon, I don't know how they can understand that you store copy of blockchain and that they must pay commision.
Are you trying to pretend to be a retard that compares spot prices with normal prices? Why?

Current prices as of now in US East:

m1.small     $0.0070
m1.medium $0.0080
m3.medium $0.0081

Actually, it doesn't seem to be worthwhile to refute your claims one by one.

My current diagnosis: some panicked shill at an Amazon AWS Value Added Partner who spend time developing an expensive and complex overlay on top of Bitcoin Core. But his design was lame and couldn't handle chain reorganizations even in theory. Recent chain reorg made this very obvious and the shill isn't going to make a his shilling quota for the quarter and therefore goes into the panic mode to create some semblance of interest in his Rube-Goldberg-ian contraption.
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