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July 02, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
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https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ru.dnr.html

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July 05, 2015, 02:29:05 PM
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Here´s one of the Russian generals that Kiev claims are fighting in the Donbass.

Major General Valery Solodchuk, a paratrooper. Commander of an air-assault division.

It's our mountains ...

Paratroopers created today are the basis of mobile forces

http://www.rg.ru/2013/10/17/desantniki.html


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July 05, 2015, 02:46:46 PM
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A few days ago, Porosenko either made a Freudian slip of a specific disclosure of his masters' intent, by saying that there will NOT be peace in Donbass at any cost.

Now Porosenko is hearing voices: that there is "children's laughter" on the streets of Slavjansk. The same Slavjansk, which was raised to the ground last year by the Ukro-Nazis, killing a lot of children and other civilians, and forcing many more to flee for their lives. If Poroshenko is hearing any children's laughter, it's either coming from the graves of the killed Russian children or from the living children from Banderas relocated to the stolen lands of Slavjansk from Western Ukraine...
http://www.bfm.ru/news/297176

Meanwhile OCSE observers counted 152 explosions in the area of the former Donetsk Airport:
http://ria.ru/world/20150705/1114335229.html


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July 05, 2015, 03:00:39 PM
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Now Porosenko is hearing voices: that there is "children's laughter" on the streets of Slavjansk. The same Slavjansk, which was raised to the ground last year by the Ukro-Nazis, killing a lot of children and other civilians, and forcing many more to flee for their lives. If Poroshenko is hearing any children's laughter, it's either coming from the graves of the killed Russian children

Poroshenko's schizophrenia is getting worse. And at the same time, another schizophrenic (Mikheil Saakashvili) is troubling the civilians in Odessa, a few hundred kilometers away from Donetsk. Perhaps NATO needs to institutionalize these two mental patients and make Ihor Kolomoyskyi the president of (what is left of) Ukraine.
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Now Porosenko is hearing voices: that there is "children's laughter" on the streets of Slavjansk. The same Slavjansk, which was raised to the ground last year by the Ukro-Nazis, killing a lot of children and other civilians, and forcing many more to flee for their lives. If Poroshenko is hearing any children's laughter, it's either coming from the graves of the killed Russian children

Poroshenko's schizophrenia is getting worse. And at the same time, another schizophrenic (Mikheil Saakashvili) is troubling the civilians in Odessa, a few hundred kilometers away from Donetsk. Perhaps NATO needs to institutionalize these two mental patients and make Ihor Kolomoyskyi the president of (what is left of) Ukraine.

Saakashvili found new use to the site of the Odessa Massacre - the former Trade union house. In his vision it'll make a spiffing HQ of the Ukrainian Navy - after Porosenko said that Odessa will become the base town of the Ukrainian Navy:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/07/05/n_7349245.shtml?loi

Bryant, suggesting making Kolomojskij the president of Ukraine is the same as suggesting Al Capone as the president of USA. Kolomojskij has a record of coming to observe hit murders that he ordered when he consolidated money in his hands.

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July 05, 2015, 03:53:37 PM
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Saakashvili found new use to the site of the Odessa Massacre - the former Trade union house. In his vision it'll make a spiffing HQ of the Ukrainian Navy - after Porosenko said that Odessa will become the base town of the Ukrainian Navy

Ukrainian Navy? That thing still exists? A year ago, I heard that 80% of the Naval servicemen defected to the Russian side, and the rest simply retired as Crimea was merged with the Russian Federation. They re-created the Ukrainian Navy from the scratch? Are they using fishing boats in the place of frigates?

Bryant, suggesting making Kolomojskij the president of Ukraine is the same as suggesting Al Capone as the president of USA. Kolomojskij has a record of coming to observe hit murders that he ordered when he consolidated money in his hands.

Nemo, Poroshenko is a puppet who is simply following the orders given by oligarchs such as Ihor Kolomoyskyi. That's why I made the suggestion to make him the de jure president (he is already the de facto president).
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July 05, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
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Nemo, Poroshenko is a puppet who is simply following the orders given by oligarchs such as Ihor Kolomoyskyi. That's why I made the suggestion to make him the de jure president (he is already the de facto president).

Well, don't forget, that Poroshenko is first and foremost and oligarch himself, and the only one who managed to multiply his fortune. He does take orders - from US State Dep, but not from Kolomojskij, who is his rival.

If you haven't read the following analysis, do so. Much becomes clear:
http://ladarayinfo.weebly.com/esr3.html

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July 05, 2015, 04:34:57 PM
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Ukrainian Navy? That thing still exists? A year ago, I heard that 80% of the Naval servicemen defected to the Russian side, and the rest simply retired as Crimea was merged with the Russian Federation. They re-created the Ukrainian Navy from the scratch? Are they using fishing boats in the place of frigates?
It is probably mistranslation to English from one of the Slavic languages.

The river-boat flotilla operations were (and probably still are) important in a wetland areas crisscrossed with many rivers and canals.

Short historical military relevant information:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverine_Flotilla_of_the_Polish_Navy


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July 05, 2015, 07:04:51 PM
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Ukrainian Navy? That thing still exists? A year ago, I heard that 80% of the Naval servicemen defected to the Russian side, and the rest simply retired as Crimea was merged with the Russian Federation. They re-created the Ukrainian Navy from the scratch? Are they using fishing boats in the place of frigates?
It is probably mistranslation to English from one of the Slavic languages.

The river-boat flotilla operations were (and probably still are) important in a wetland areas crisscrossed with many rivers and canals.

Short historical military relevant information:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverine_Flotilla_of_the_Polish_Navy

Humorous value aside, this is not a mistranslation. Smiley
The article speaks about "BMФ", an abbreviation for "Boeннo-Mopcкoй Флoт" - literally "Military-Sea(faring) Fleet".

Ukraine inherited its Navy from USSR, but it was in the state of neglect in the subsequent 25 years, just like the rest of Ukraine. When Crimea reunited with Russia, part of the Ukrainian Navy vessels that were stationed in Sevastopol, were towed to Odessa (they could not go under their own steam), and part were abandoned as scrap metal as they were not seaworthy, for Russia to deal with them.

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Humorous value aside, this is not a mistranslation. Smiley
The article speaks about "BMФ", an abbreviation for "Boeннo-Mopcкoй Флoт" - literally "Military-Sea(faring) Fleet".

Ukraine inherited its Navy from USSR, but it was in the state of neglect in the subsequent 25 years, just like the rest of Ukraine. When Crimea reunited with Russia, part of the Ukrainian Navy vessels that were stationed in Sevastopol, were towed to Odessa (they could not go under their own steam), and part were abandoned as scrap metal as they were not seaworthy, for Russia to deal with them.
I'm not going to disagree with you because I'm at most quarter-literate in the languages used there.

Nota bene: In the linked article I see the phrase "вoeннo-мopcкиe cилы (BMC) Укpaины", which would be more like "war(time)-sea(faring) forces". Wikipedia shows the proper Ukrainian translation as "Biйcькoвo-мopcькi cили".

So if not mistranslation, it could be called "really sloppy reporting".

From the military point of view the sensible deployment would require cooperation of Byelarus because of the geographical constraints of the in-land waterways navigation.

Edit: One more link about the military importance of the "landlocked navy" there during the 20th century wars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_Marshes

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Humorous value aside, this is not a mistranslation. Smiley
The article speaks about "BMФ", an abbreviation for "Boeннo-Mopcкoй Флoт" - literally "Military-Sea(faring) Fleet".

Ukraine inherited its Navy from USSR, but it was in the state of neglect in the subsequent 25 years, just like the rest of Ukraine. When Crimea reunited with Russia, part of the Ukrainian Navy vessels that were stationed in Sevastopol, were towed to Odessa (they could not go under their own steam), and part were abandoned as scrap metal as they were not seaworthy, for Russia to deal with them.
I'm not going to disagree with you because I'm at most quarter-literate in the languages used there.

Nota bene: In the linked article I see the phrase "вoeннo-мopcкиe cилы (BMC) Укpaины", which would be more like "war(time)-sea(faring) forces". Wikipedia shows the proper Ukrainian translation as "Biйcькoвo-мopcькi cили".

So if not mistranslation, it could be called "really sloppy reporting".

From the military point of view the sensible deployment would require cooperation of Byelarus because of the geographical constraints of the in-land waterways navigation.

Edit: One more link about the military importance of the "landlocked navy" there during the 20th century wars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_Marshes


First of all: I stand corrected. The article does say "BMC" .
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/07/05/n_7349245.shtml?loi
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Гyбepнaтop Oдeccкoй oблacти Mиxaил Caaкaшвили зaявил, чтo в здaнии Дoмa пpoфcoюзoв нa Кyликoвoм пoлe в Oдecce бyдeт paзмeщeнo кoмaндoвaниe вoeннo-мopcкиx cил (BMC) Укpaины

But we are still in the hair-splitting territory. Both terms would refer to the seafaring fleet/force. So the translation as "Navy" is fully correct.

You appear to be mixing up Ukraine and Belarus geographically. Belarus is landlocked. Ukraine, though the ports of Odessa and Mariupol, has access to the Black Sea and further to the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean.

Also, the linguistic difference between Ukrainian and Russian is often less than between some of the Norwegian dialects or between German and Austrian.

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Ukraine has no military to speak of and thus no meaningful navy I guess. Maybe there´s some small core of soldiers that could threaten to be of some military use which is why the western mob has been sending in "trainers" with a very solid record of rendering military forces totally useless around the world. Well, useless apart from handing armaments and weapons over to the opposition.

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July 06, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
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Russia Gloats: "Merkel's Misery Over Broken Europe Dreams"

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/06/2015 - 08:23

"After the Greeks voted against accepting the latest demands from its creditors, Merkel is facing her worst nightmare: a possible Greek exit from the euro, a possible exit from the EU completely and loss of confidence in the currency itself.  Half of her was Merkel — the pragmatic economist, the other was Merkel — the great European. She has now discovered, in her vacillation, she has not shown the leadership expected of the most powerful woman in the European Union." ... more

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It´s a beautiful situation. With Mr. Putin as their ace in the hole the Greeks can probably extort money out of IMF and other mob institutions ad infinitum.  Grin

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Ukraine has no military to speak of and thus no meaningful navy I guess. Maybe there´s some small core of soldiers that could threaten to be of some military use which is why the western mob has been sending in "trainers" with a very solid record of rendering military forces totally useless around the world. Well, useless apart from handing armaments and weapons over to the opposition.

The total strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was less than 160,000 in 2014. Out of that somewhere between 20,000 and 25,000 were naval personnel. A majority of the naval personnel defected to Russia, and most of the remainder retired when Crimea became a part of Russia. Now talking about the ground forces, there were around 75,000 of them in 2014. Somewhere between 20,000 and 25,000 were killed in the fighting and many tens of thousands were wounded. So it is safe to assume that right now, Ukraine has no military to speak of.
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You appear to be mixing up Ukraine and Belarus geographically. Belarus is landlocked. Ukraine, though the ports of Odessa and Mariupol, has access to the Black Sea and further to the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean.
It is not only me that is "mixing up". 20th century "mixed up" the people living in those lands something fierce.

First there was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line .

Then there were some lines in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact .

Then there was plain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_Line .

And then they had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakerzonia .

And I'm most likely missing some other "lines".

It isn't a simple two-side conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

The real solution will have to involve cooperation of all involved peoples: Byelorussians, Poles, Russians and Ukrainians.

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Ukraine has no military to speak of and thus no meaningful navy I guess. Maybe there´s some small core of soldiers that could threaten to be of some military use which is why the western mob has been sending in "trainers" with a very solid record of rendering military forces totally useless around the world. Well, useless apart from handing armaments and weapons over to the opposition.

The total strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was less than 160,000 in 2014. Out of that somewhere between 20,000 and 25,000 were naval personnel. A majority of the naval personnel defected to Russia, and most of the remainder retired when Crimea became a part of Russia. Now talking about the ground forces, there were around 75,000 of them in 2014. Somewhere between 20,000 and 25,000 were killed in the fighting and many tens of thousands were wounded. So it is safe to assume that right now, Ukraine has no military to speak of.

Hence Der Volkssturm of Pornoshenko and Ukraine´s Himmler wannabes.

Anyway, it isn´t so much about size as good training, leadership and motivation. I doubt that this joke of military has many decent officers by now, not least after nazis and other fruitcakes in power started appointing generals and they then picked staff of the same ilk. Like the Russians say a fish rots from the head down.

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Ukraine has no military to speak of and thus no meaningful navy I guess. Maybe there´s some small core of soldiers that could threaten to be of some military use which is why the western mob has been sending in "trainers" with a very solid record of rendering military forces totally useless around the world. Well, useless apart from handing armaments and weapons over to the opposition.

The total strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was less than 160,000 in 2014. Out of that somewhere between 20,000 and 25,000 were naval personnel. A majority of the naval personnel defected to Russia, and most of the remainder retired when Crimea became a part of Russia. Now talking about the ground forces, there were around 75,000 of them in 2014. Somewhere between 20,000 and 25,000 were killed in the fighting and many tens of thousands were wounded. So it is safe to assume that right now, Ukraine has no military to speak of.

Thus Der Volkssturm of Pornoshenko and Ukraine´s Himmler wannabes.

Anyway, it isn´t so much about size as good training, leadership and motivation. I doubt that this joke of military has many decent officers by now, not least after nazis and other fruitcakes in power started appointing generals and they then picked staff of the same ilk. Like the Russians say a fish rots from the head down.

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NUDELMAN’S NEW WAR, NULAND’S NEMESIS – WILL GREECE, OR WON’T GREECE BE DESTROYED TO SAVE HER FROM RUSSIA, LIKE UKRAINE?

By John Helmer, Moscow



A putsch in Athens to save allied Greece from enemy Russia is in preparation by the US and Germany, with backing from the non-taxpayers of Greece – the Greek oligarchs, Anglo-Greek shipowners, and the Greek Church. At the highest and lowest level of Greek government, and from Thessaloniki to Milvorni, all Greeks understand what is happening. Yesterday they voted overwhelmingly to resist. According to a high political figure in Athens, a 40-year veteran, “what is actually happening is a slow process of regime change.”

Until Sunday afternoon it was a close-run thing. The Yes and No votes were equally balanced, and the margin between them razor thin. At the start of the morning, Rupert Murdoch’s London Times claimed “Greek security forces have drawn up a secret plan to deploy the army alongside special riot police to contain possible civil unrest after today’s referendum on the country’s future in Europe. Codenamed Nemesis, it makes provision for troops to patrol large cities if there is widespread and prolonged public disorder. Details of the plan emerged as polls showed the ‘yes’ and ‘no’ camps neck and neck.” Greek officers don’t speak to the Murdoch press; British and US government agents do.

“It was neck to neck until 3 pm,” reports the political veteran in Athens, “then the young started voting. “
Can the outcome — the 61% to 39% referendum vote, with a 22% margin for Oχι (No) which the New York Times calls “shocking” and a “victory [that] settled little” – defeat Operation Nemesis? Will the new Axis – the Americans and the Germans – attack again, as the Germans did after the first Greek Oχι of October 28, 1940, defeated the Italian invasion?

The Kremlin understands too. So when the State Department’s Victoria Nuland (nee Nudelman; lead image, right) visited Athens to issue an ultimatum against breaking the anti-Russian sanctions regime, and the Anglo-American think-tanks followed with warnings the Russian Navy is about to sail into Piraeus, the object of the game has been clear. The line for Operation Nemesis has been that Greece must be saved, not from itself or from its creditors, but from the enemy in Moscow. The Russian line has been to do nothing to give credence to that propaganda; to wait and to watch.

As the head of State’s Bureau of European and Eurasian affairs, Nuland is the official in charge of warmaking in Europe. Her record in the Ukraine has been documented here. Almost unnoticed, she was in Athens on March 17 to deliver two ultimatums. The communique released by the US Embassy in Athens was headlined, “we want to see prosperity and growth in Greece.”

What Nuland (above, left) was doing with her hands is in the small print of the release. She told Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras (right) not to break ranks with the NATO allies against Russia. “Because of the increasing rounds of aggression in eastern Ukraine” she reportedly said the US is “very gratified that we’ve had solidarity between the EU and the U.S., and that Greece has played its role in helping to build consensus.”
Nuland also warned Tsipras not to default on its debts to Germany, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Tsipras was told “to make a good deal with the institutions”. The referendum Tsipras called on June 27 was a surprise for Nuland. The nemesis in Operation Nemesis is the retribution planned for that display of Greek hubris.

Having thundered for a year on the illegitimacy of the March 2014 referendum in Crimea, saying yes to accession to Russia, the State Department ignored the Greek referendum for forty-eight hours. On June 29, asked what the US government was thinking of doing if the outcome “is a no vote”, Nuland’s spokesman, Mark Toner, said the US would ignore it. “We’re focused on, frankly, the opposite, which is finding a path forward that allows Greece to continue to make reforms, return to growth, and remain in the Eurozone.”

The only other official Washington reference to the Greek referendum came on June 30 when the question at the State Department daily briefing was: “what are you doing within the International Monetary Fund, of which the U.S. is the largest shareholder, to try to also press from that side for more leniency with the Greeks?” The official reply: “we’re carefully monitoring the situation…we continue to believe that it’s important that all sides work together to get back to a path that’s going to allow Greece to resume reforms and to return to growth within the Eurozone. But again, we’re monitoring this very closely.”

The last concerted attempt the US government made to overthrow an elected Greek government was against Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou between 1987 and 1989. With his son and successor George Papandreou, there was no such necessity – George and his mother Margarita Papandreou were already under Washington’s control. But against Andreas serious counter-measures were required. Military ones, of the type which ruled Greece between 1967 and 1974, had been unpopular domestically and internationally. They were demonstrably costly; they also discredited the US and NATO military which stood behind the Athens junta.

So, the Reagan Administration decided Papandreou had to be overthrown by his own people, if possible at an election. The strategy was “to give Papandreou enough rope to hang himself”, said Robert Keeley the US Ambassador to Athens at the time. That too was an Operation Nemesis of sorts – the plan was for Papandreou’s hubris to be defeated in front of the Greek electorate, first in a military showdown in the Aegean with Turkey, then in an allegation of bribery of the prime minister by a Greek banker and football club owner.

Papandreou with Turgut Ozal, Turkey’s Prime Minister, in March 1987 – before the Greek victory and Ozal’s collapse.

Both were neutralized in surprise Greek moves US officials had not anticipated. The Turks retreated after a display of combined Greek and Bulgarian force, and the Turkish Prime Minister was medivaced to a Houston, Texas, cardiology clinic. George Koskotas, Papandreou’s accuser, was arrested in Boston and returned to a Greek jail. Hubris reversed, you might say. For more, read this.

On Sunday, had Greek voters divided evenly down the old Civil War lines, right versus left, blue versus red, the security forces would have been mobilized to confront demonstrators on Maidan, er Syntagma Square, and sharpshooters deployed from the roof of the Grande Bretagne Hotel to kick off Operation Nemesis. To prepare hearts and minds for that, however, the think-tank army has failed almost totally, firing blanks in every direction but Greece.

In London the US-funded Legatum Institute skipped the poll evidence and panel discussions, attacking Venezuela, China, Syria and Russia instead for using “phenomena previously associated with democracy—elections, the Internet, the press, the market—to undermine freedoms”, along with “the self-organising potential of society.” Legatum left Anne Applebaum by herself to announce the Greek government can be overthrown because it was “elected on a completely false premise”.
The Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House), the thunderer against Russian info-warfare last month, has since roared on Tunisian and Nigerian democracy; this week it is preparing for a panel discussion on “the progress that Kyiv has made in increasing transparency and reforming key government institutions”. Chatham House has stayed silent on Greek democracy and the referendum.

In Washington, the International Republican Institute (IRI) – motto, “helps democracy become more effective where it is in danger” — has been issuing its State Department-funded democracy polls for months, but for Ivory Coast and Zimbabwe; not for Greece. At the same time, the National Democratic Institute (NDI) has been preoccupied with its democracy schemes in Georgia, Iraq, and Kosovo.
The Pew Research Centre in Washington tried anticipating the Greek referendum by surveying 2.5 million Twitter messages in Greece, and publishing the results on July 3. In the Greek language the tweets were 40% to 33% in favour of voting Yes. In the English language the Greek tweets ran 32% to 7% in favour of Yes. In the event, the social media results were contrived. If Pew hadn’t invented them, the large numbers of “neutral” tweets all turned into No votes on the day. ...more

http://johnhelmer.net/?p=13712#more-13712

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July 09, 2015, 12:13:50 PM
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Posting this here as well:

Finland’s denying visas to Russian lawmakers undermines OSCE’s principles — OSCE chairman
http://tass.ru/en/world/807298

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Last week, Finland denied entry to the speaker of the Russian State Duma and five more Russian citizens who had planned to take part in the session of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly

Finland’s move not to allow some Russian delegation members to arrive for the annual session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) undermines its key principle on ensuring the dialogue between the countries, OSCE Chairman Ivica Dacic told the plenary session on Thursday.

"The OSCE core role as a platform for dialogue was undermined by the denial of visas to some members of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly. It is contrary to the spirit of Helsinki," Dacic said.

On Wednesday, the PA approved the Helsinki declaration, the final document of the annual session.

Two resolutions on Russia have become part of it. The first of them on "the continuation of clear, gross and uncorrected violations of OSCE commitments and international norms by the Russian Federation" was proposed by Canada and Ukraine. The second resolution, initiated by Ukraine, alleges that Ukrainian citizens are "abducted and illegally held" by Russia.

A range of countries have refused to vote on these resolutions due to the absence of the Russian representatives.

Canada? Proposing to OCSE?

Ukrainian citizens abducted? Do they mean those 3 million economical and war refugees, who seek better life in Russia or simply flee for their lives from Kiev-juntas artillery?



Now Porosenko is hearing voices: that there is "children's laughter" on the streets of Slavjansk. The same Slavjansk, which was raised to the ground last year by the Ukro-Nazis, killing a lot of children and other civilians, and forcing many more to flee for their lives. If Poroshenko is hearing any children's laughter, it's either coming from the graves of the killed Russian children

Poroshenko's schizophrenia is getting worse. And at the same time, another schizophrenic (Mikheil Saakashvili) is troubling the civilians in Odessa, a few hundred kilometers away from Donetsk. Perhaps NATO needs to institutionalize these two mental patients and make Ihor Kolomoyskyi the president of (what is left of) Ukraine.

Saakashvili found new use to the site of the Odessa Massacre - the former Trade union house. In his vision it'll make a spiffing HQ of the Ukrainian Navy - after Porosenko said that Odessa will become the base town of the Ukrainian Navy:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/07/05/n_7349245.shtml?loi

Bryant, suggesting making Kolomojskij the president of Ukraine is the same as suggesting Al Capone as the president of USA. Kolomojskij has a record of coming to observe hit murders that he ordered when he consolidated money in his hands.

Russian Foreign Ministry commented on Saakashvili's idea, calling it "sordid" and "unscrupulous":
http://ria.ru/world/20150709/1123020200.html

While Odessites tell Saakashvili to go home (looks like the once Mexican chant of "Greens Go Home", referring to the Yankie's green uniforms, giving Americans the call-name of Gringos in Latin-America)
http://ria.ru/world/20150615/1070040412.html

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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