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5421  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Obvious threat to Bitcoin? on: January 17, 2011, 10:39:41 AM
The Navy holds a patent on the idea of repeated encryption and decryption? Insane.
5422  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to get bitcoin? on: January 17, 2011, 09:38:07 AM
Can always try to sell cash or similar on biddingpond.com
5423  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Self-improvement books for Bitcoins - a guide to dating on: January 17, 2011, 09:36:17 AM
Well, like I said, we're testing the market, it's an experiment. If nobody cares about buying ebooks sold exclusively for bitcoins, then we'll try something else. Now, a few pragmatic reasons to sell books exclusively for bitcoins, and you'll see we're not bullshitting you:

- we can target our audience better, as bitcoins early adopters will tend to be more geeky and scientific people
- people might want to support a bitcoin project, and pay a little more in bitcoins that what they would pay in dollars
- having bitcoin-specific material is an incentive to use bitcoins
- some authors don't want to get paid in bitcoins yet, but will feel robbed if we pay them at the current exchange rate, and the rate goes more favorable to bitcoin in the future. It's much easier to have with specific contracts for bitcoin sales, and our first author wanted to write a new edition of his book, so...

Anyway, there won't be any hard feelings if the experiment doesn't work, and we won't turn our back to Bitcoin.

Thanks for explaining. That's a lot of stuff I hadn't though about.
5424  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Self-improvement books for Bitcoins - a guide to dating on: January 17, 2011, 09:12:42 AM
You're right about the number of goods influencing the market size, of course. But we have no idea of the market size today, and whether we can pay our authors right now for writing books for the bitcoin market exclusively. If the experiment fails, we may try again in the future, or we may choose to publish non-exclusive material.

I hope you'll notice that the target number of downloads is very low for that kind of book. If we can't reach 50 downloads now, we can hardly justify developing a website and signing contracts with authors.

I think trying to sell books developed exclusively for purchase via bitcoins is the wrong approach. You're better off just offering your entire catalog with BTC as a payment option next to whatever your current methods are. This eliminates the risk you have of the BTC market not being large enough and you don't have to launch an entire new website dedicated to BTC, just add on to what you are using now.

This also serves the development of bitcoins by exposing your current customers to BTC rather than merely those of us who are already aware, which might get some of them interested in participating in other aspects of the BTC economy which helps grow the whole pie.

This is good advice. It seems like you have a gift shop near the boarder and want to start taking Canada bucks, but are only going to accept them on one new untested item and determine your future with the currency based on how that item sells.

There is just no reason I can see to write books especially for the bitcoin market, unless they are going to be about bitcoin or currency or something, but even then why wouldn't you sell them for dollars since you are already set up for that?
5425  Economy / Marketplace / Re: We accept Bitcoins on: January 17, 2011, 08:00:13 AM
Population control was the one that shocked me.  Apparently people aren't supposed to use Rise Up to spread information on contraception?

Ha, I read that, but only thought of genocide. And I was distracted by the denigration of man's natural desire to increase productivity.
 
I am looking for a content disregarding secure email provider if anyone has any suggestions, I'm sure there are some good ones out there. They'd probably be pretty interested in bitcoin too.
5426  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Promoting bitcoins to teenagers on: January 17, 2011, 07:43:48 AM
I don't think teenagers like chess very much.

Yes.  We have disgressed a bit.   And you don't need a graphic card to play chess anyway.


We just need to develop a resource intensive checkers game.... wait. WTF were we talking about?

I've fantasized about how games could be designed that have well defined rules that humans would have an advantage over computers for the farthest into the future. Go is the right sort of thing. How can we make a game more Go-like than Go?
5427  Economy / Marketplace / Re: We accept Bitcoins on: January 17, 2011, 07:39:29 AM
Meh, I dunno. They say I can't use their services (so my email account?) to support capitalism and they don't define it.

think oppression, hierarchy, or anarchism. or just think of nice flowers.

I'm 100% anarchist.

What is it called when people voluntarily trade value for value and some people end up with a lot of useful stuff?
5428  Economy / Marketplace / Re: We accept Bitcoins on: January 17, 2011, 06:54:22 AM
Your friendly neighborhood radical tech collective, Riseup Networks (https://riseup.net) now accepts bitcoins for donation (1KhKTL2bp4PwtAsvzHbpcS1TKvubQ3P6sq).

What is Riseup? The Riseup Collective is an autonomous radical tech collective that was started in 1999 in Seattle. They build and maintain essential communication infrastructure that is controlled by movement organizations and not corporations or the government. Riseup provides email service with an unique level of security and privacy. Unlike almost all other email providers, their logs and email headers contain no personally identifiable information. Additionally, all mail is stored on encrypted partitions and transmitted over encrypted connections whenever possible. riseup.net is the largest non-profit list hosting service, outside of public universities, with over 14,000 mailing lists, supporting over four million subscribers. They also host tens of thousands of email accounts for activists around the world. Riseup operates a community colocation project, runs a very fast tor node, runs googlesharing google anonymizing services, provides VPN services, has written a social networking application called Crabgrass, and contributes a lot to free software (Debian in particular).

Please add Riseup to the http://bitcoin.org/trade page.

Cool, does anyone use the email? I could use 2 invites.

Meh, I dunno. They say I can't use their services (so my email account?) to support capitalism and they don't define it. I'm sure they probably mean I can't advocate for slave labor and pollution, but I call capital ownership capitalism since that's what it is. And without capital ownership we're all going to die with gaping infected wounds in the street.
5429  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen if the bitcoin network is fragmented into two components? on: January 17, 2011, 06:45:02 AM
Assuming that the bitcoin network spreads to China, and at some point China decides to block all bitcoin traffic through the great firewall, one will end up with a completely independent bitcoin network operating inside china that will be isolated from the outside world by the great firewall. As the bitcoin network is decentralized, the two resulting networks will continue to function, and each will continue to add new transactions to their own blockchain, which will share the history up to the split, but will diverge afterwards.

Now, suppose that after 2 years, a person in China succeeds in smuggling his bitcoins outside of the firewall either by storing his wallet.dat in a tiny flash drive, or by memorizing it in his brain and leaving the country. Will that person then be able to spend his bitcoins by connecting to the network in the outside world? Will his wallet.dat be still considered valid? His wallet will probably now contain transactions that have never been seen in the outside world.

Any coins older than the split will be 100% fine. Transactions based on transactions that the longer chain doesn't have will not work, at least until those dependencies also work through. Any transactions based on double spends won't work ever unless China's chain ended up longer, then the transactions on the other side that depended on them would disappear. I'm pretty sure I have that all right, someone please verify.

Pretty much the worst split would be a long term close to even split. Thankfully that is the most unlikely of all because any one node connecting to both sides, each of which would be huge will make the transactions flow again.
5430  Economy / Economics / Re: Did the cryptography revolution begin too late? on: January 17, 2011, 05:55:23 AM
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I have little doubt coke has killed many people. Maybe 10 or 100 or 1000. But I know for sure that my government has killed 1000s of 1000s and imprisons right now a similarly huge number. They do it in the open, they tell everyone, they are proud of their wars on people.

Just who do you think benefits from wars?

Individuals in corporations. They see that people acquiesce to government violence so they pay individuals in government to do it. No corporation could sell anything after they killed a million people. The cost of hiding murders is so great that it has to be outsourced to a government (who is doing it in the open!) to happen on any but the smallest scale.  
5431  Other / Off-topic / Re: Less Wrong on: January 17, 2011, 05:27:16 AM
Hadn't been there, the Simpson's paradox article is good, I'll read more.
5432  Other / Off-topic / Re: untitled philosophical? type of question on: January 17, 2011, 02:08:48 AM
Ultimately I don't think there are any shortcuts that get us to a better world without honesty and empathy.

But maybe this is something like you are asking for. Instead of convincing people that democracy is bad since that will be hard to do, convince them that democracy is not voting in elections, but voting with your time and resources.

Or an info campaign designed to convince people that people who choose to collect dollars instead of friends or days at the beach don't deserve to be taken from any more than we should have 33% of our homemade cakes taken from us.

Is that the sort of thing you are talking about (but more sophisticated maybe)?
5433  Economy / Economics / Re: Timecoin on: January 17, 2011, 01:58:08 AM
The thing is that with today's advances the deflation of Bitcoin could be too big for an economy. Right now as someone pointed out we should focus in growing the economy.(The BTC/USD is now 0.4) There should be vendors everywhere promoting Bitcoins. If I don't see at least 100 persons daily adopting bitcoin from now on we must do a better effort.

The deflation can't be 'too big' for the economy because it is cause by growth in the economy. More stuff on offer with a limited amount of coins means higher price per coin. If the bitcoin accepting economy shrinks then the value of a bitcoin will shrink.

Obviously I'm all for growing the economy, not contradicting that sentiment at all.
5434  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Want to sell bitcoin for Chinese yuan but don't have enough btc on: January 17, 2011, 01:49:11 AM
Out of curiosity: may I ask why you want to sell your Bitcoins, but still you don't want to run out of Bitcoins ?

It seems to make sense to hang onto your bitcoins unless you need local money urgently. That's why I'm asking.

He wants to help people in his area get coins, but he wants to be able to replace them so he doesn't run out.
5435  Economy / Economics / Re: Timecoin on: January 16, 2011, 10:17:49 PM
Everyone knows economies are limited by the growth of the money base, that's why the FED has to print print print.

Are you being serious here or sarcastic?

I suppose sarcastic. I'm just trying to demonstrate the silliness of arguing with people who don't want to be convinced. I'd like them to have the opportunity to learn (or prove to me they are right!) by actually using Timecoin.
5436  Economy / Economics / Re: what make bitcoin exchange rate go up/down to usd ? on: January 16, 2011, 10:09:22 PM
I suppose the real answer to the OP, and I apologise if I'm just simply recycling previous posts, is you need to ask the question: "How much am I willing to buy/sell BitCoins for?"

That is your personal exchange rate, if somebody else agrees with you, then you have a sale.

As said before, it doesn't matter if all the offers there are artificially inserted by the exchange themselves. The only problem comes is if they are selling BitCoins they don't have, in which case the problem is something else entirely, and not manipulation of the market.

I would phrase it the opposite way. If someone disagrees with you then you have a sale. If I value a coin more than 40 cents and so does someone else we have no trade. But if they value the coin less than 40 cents we can both benefit from the trade.
5437  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty for Bitcoin Animated Movie [13622.05 BTC ($2520) and growing] on: January 16, 2011, 01:43:10 PM
And of course they disappeared. 

What is this supposed to imply? You think people left to avoid paying money that they offered?

I pledged 100 and it's still good. I think I said it needed Satoshi's blessing, but since he might be gone I'll waive that. I can tell myself now if it is accurate.

Are you really going to start with a Bible verse?

If you say "no intrinsic value" a bunch of people are going to jump on you saying "nothing has intrinsic value", better to say the bitcoin has no "use value" if you need to get that idea across for some reason, I don't think it's that important though.
5438  Economy / Economics / Re: Did the cryptography revolution begin too late? on: January 16, 2011, 01:36:06 PM

Large companies can become (have become) virtually indistinguishable from states. They represent centers of capital and, by extension, power.

If some corporation has a problem with me, they don't give me things anymore, and I don't give them money anymore. If some government has a problem with me they put me in a cage and try to kill me if I resist.

Actually, that is no longer true. Large corporations have become so powerful, they can kill you if they don't like you, and they get away with it:
http://killercoke.org/

For now this usually happens in small third world countries, where law is weak and governments are corrupt. But it won't be like this forever. Also, you should probably watch/play some Resident Evil.

Sure, I shouldn't speak in absolutes like I did.

I completely know that individuals and corporations (well, individuals using the cover of corporations) hurt people all the time. But for anything truly systemic, enormous and awful government (well, individuals using the cover of governments) have to be involved.

I have little doubt coke has killed many people. Maybe 10 or 100 or 1000. But I know for sure that my government has killed 1000s of 1000s and imprisons right now a similarly huge number. They do it in the open, they tell everyone, they are proud of their wars on people.

Government is not the only problem, but it is so much bigger than every other problem combined that I just don't care about the other ones right now.

You can hide a few dozen murders, but since you can't hid a few million you have to train people to ignore that reality. It's massive, it's right in front of us.

5439  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What problem does bitcoin solve? on: January 16, 2011, 01:26:22 PM

BTW,
I forgot to add that my horse is amazing.
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Amazing+Horse/

(Warning: this stuff can melt your brain, you're opening this link on your own responsibility.)

Wow, I almost din't escape. Does it do that to everyone every time? Maybe I'm just up too late. I'm afraid to click it again.
5440  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Overtaking the network - like tesnet on: January 16, 2011, 12:12:31 PM
Testnet is broken because too much power was puten there (thanks Xelister 1 and Artfortz 8 of 5970's Wink

It will take apparently months (with 1 5970) to reset diff to be usable by CPUs.
 

Haha, is this why nanotube and others were offering to buy testnet coins on bitcoin-otc? I guess that would make the adjustment faster, but less severe?
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