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5561  Economy / Speculation / Re: Which one to buy? Stocks Houses Gold or Bitcoin or Bonds? on: October 07, 2017, 09:33:09 AM


Above screenshot shows post-Christmas 2013 thru March 31, 2017:

Which one to buy??

Breakdown of performance for that period (in USD terms):
Bitcoin/USD: +80%
S&P 500 Stocks: +30%
Real Estate (REITs): +26%
Gold: +3%
Bonds: +1%


(Note: Bitcoin performance suppressed due to post insane Chinese-run in late-2013)

[EDIT: Updated chart below thru to early August BTC roughly 3200usd back then):



Given the facts, I think it really boils down to your preferences either for short-term or long-term investments. Do remember that each type of investments has their own set of risks to consider. For example, bonds may be the most secured type of investment due to its nature being on the bank but profit wise, it might be longer.
On the other hand, bitcoin may yield you the highest profit but the security of payment is not secured compared to the others.
Personally, I would half my investments into two, like one for bonds and the other for bitcoins for safety purposes but if you plan for long-term then bitcoin is the way to go.
5562  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can bitcoin survive? on: October 07, 2017, 04:12:58 AM
After there is a BCC can the bitcoin survive or bitcoin will be much more up the price after this
What do you think about this?

I don't think parity is possible, meaning that, it's just impossible that both coins have the same price.

So judging from this premise, one of the two coins, will go down, or one of the two coins, will go up while the other one stays where it is at best, or goes down too.

If I had to bet, it's pretty obvious BTC is the winning coin. It has the Core devs on board, it's the legacy chain, and it has segwit which is good, unless you subscribe to the anti-segwit conspiracy theories.
Yes can bitcoin survive. Because we will agree to die the bitcoin. If the bitcoin disappear our bitcoin money will disappear too. But if we make a move, the bitcoin will survive. And maybe it will have a higher value in the future. All we can do is protect and secure bitcoin.

Bitcoin's existence is far from disappearing but like any other investments, the risk of losing your money is normal. Bitcoin has shown its potential over the years by the constant increase on its price but there are also external factors that significantly decrease its price like China's banning of ICO in their country etc. One cannot simply protect and secure bitcoin due to its decentralized nature, the primary factor on why bitcoin is still alive is due to the sheer volume of investors and individuals who utilize it onto transactions. Even some retailers are starting to accept bitcoin as a payment for their products.
5563  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin Volatility Be Controlled? on: October 06, 2017, 06:11:15 PM
I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?

I believe not. Due to the influx of investors spending on bitcoin, its value changes due to the law of demand and supply. I would say that once bitcoin can be controlled by a single user or establishment (which is impossible due to its decentralized nature), then controlling its volatility may be possible. Well, if bitcoin's volatility can be controlled, then less users and investors would be willing to invest since that is the primary factor that they are taking advantage of in order to gain profit in a short amount of time, or tremendous profit by long-term investments.
5564  Economy / Economics / Re: Difference of Trading and Investing? on: October 06, 2017, 07:55:31 AM
Guys sorry for this question above but I would like to ask here that

What is the difference of Trading to Investing?

though I know that I can search it in google but I want an answer from those people who have already experienced this two.
Thank you.

I hope you can help me in my confusion..


Trading and investing are both two worlds that have their own set of agendas and nature, but have the same primary purpose, which is to either gain profit or in exchange for something that is essential to both. Trading involves two parties wherein one provides services to other in exchange for payment or a thing. On the other hand, investing involves only one party wherein the individual uses their money for an investment to an institution or entity, that both benefits thereto. They are different in nature but all both benefits the users who participated.
5565  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I told my grandma to put all her lifesavings in Bitcoin because you guys said on: October 06, 2017, 03:30:25 AM
it will only go up. She bought at $4200 Sad
How soon can we REALISTICALLY see $4200 again and upwards?

You posted this thread last September 14 and currently, the prices of bitcoin are around $4300. To answer your question, this month showed a constant increase on bitcoin's price and is showing good signs for investments. If you see the need to cash-out the lifesavings she bought, then there will be profit garnered by your grandmother. It all depends on her decision whether to treat it as a long-term investment or short-term profit. Lastly, even if the people here on the forum told you some suggestions, the ultimatum of the decision primarily lies within your shoulders.
5566  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you still use Bitcoin if it stabilised at around USD$5000? on: October 06, 2017, 01:20:24 AM
I've been thinking about why people use Bitcoin a bit lately and its long-term potential.  It used to be touted as an alternative to fiat currency, and in fact, the future of currency.  Now it seems that people are talking about Bitcoin more as a store of value - a place to keep your money safe that is not a bank or an institution.  I know a lot of us invest in Bitcoin more for the perceived increase in value; basically, a lot of us want to get rich.

Here's my question:  Would you still continue to move your fiat currency to Bitcoin if it topped out at around USD$5000 and you KNEW it would not go higher, but you also KNEW it would not dip in value?  Maybe we could assume it would rise with inflation.  If this were the case would you be more or less likely to move your money to Bitcoin?
I currently exchange bitcoins with fiat currency because I want to move my stock to the world of plantation industry, which has a clear future for the long term.

The scenario given was very hypothetical, but is impossible due to bitcoin's volatile and decentralized nature. But if that were the case, then I see no reason for me to buy bitcoins anymore because bank investments would be more superior and safer option if bitcoin's price were to be stable. One of the reasons on why people invest into bitcoin is because they want to take advantage of its volatility, which in return, can yield them profit in long term investments. Like the example given, he sees bitcoin as an alternative payment for his future plans by investing in it.
5567  Economy / Speculation / Re: Positive bitcoin news as of late and its effect on BTC value on: October 05, 2017, 04:26:01 PM
One of the most positive news about Bitcoin that I've read is that Japan introduces eleven Bitcoin exchange sites. I think it contributed a lot on stabilizing Bitcoin price. And I also think that it has a great impact on other countries that has doubts about Bitcoin. There might be some other countries that will soon follow Japan's lead in accepting Bitcoin.

I think this is really important news. And the course can really stabilize. The Japanese market is incredibly large.

But as soon as the volume of the market grows, Japan will begin to regulate bitcoin. Since there will be various negative effects from the use of bitcoin, and they will be regulated.

Due to the recent ICO banning in China, it significantly affected the price of bitcoins and investors from the country. The news about Japan on introducing bitcoin exchange sites will definitely have a positive side on bitcoin regarding its price because more countries now are accepting bitcoin as a medium of exchange for their country. We all know that Japan, being one of the developed countries in the world, has the potential of maximizing the benefits provided by bitcoin through the exchange sites created. I speculate that 2-3 months from now, expect prices of bitcoin to increase, thus making this a GO SIGNAL on investing right now.
5568  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is it risky to turn all my money to bitcoins? on: October 05, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
is it risky to turn all my money to bitcoins? anyhow this money sits in the bank and do nothing for!

Yes, it is very risky to invest all of your money into bitcoin because even if the price history shows a constant increase on its price, no one knows when will bitcoin be removed from existence due to its decentralized nature. Its price is also highly volatile and may increase/decrease your profit anytime depending on the external factors that is impossible to know. Bitcoin may be a high-risk, high-return investment but its security in payment falls short compared to bank investments, stocks, and even gold investments.
5569  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think you are a gambling expert? on: October 05, 2017, 12:25:58 AM
I just want to know how you feel when you get a big win from the gambling you play, I know that feel is definitely fun.
But, do you feel or ever assume you are a gambling expert after you get a big win?
Then what kind of gambling has made you think of yourself as a gambling expert?
I would rather consider myself as a noob in gambling than consider my self as an expert. I will let the others observe how I play and let them judge me if I am an expert based on their observation. Its like me being conceited as I say I can do this and that or I am better than you or him. I would let my actions speak for what I am.

Regardless of the winning or losing of an individual, becoming a gambling expert does not increase the chances of you winning, but it only makes the gambler less susceptible into exhausting all of his/her money. It is impossible to alter the future and one's luck, that is why it is irrelevant for one being an expert in gambling unto increasing the chances of his/her winning. Being experienced on gambling only makes your situation worse because you continue to affect the people around you especially when you still think that GAMBLING can resolve all of your financial problems.
5570  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does any bank accept Bitcoin? on: October 04, 2017, 11:49:02 PM
Is there any bank/financial institution somewhere in the world that has embraced Bitcoin? Not that I'd deposit my money there, I'm just curious to know it.

Banks, the government, or any other entity cannot control bitcoin due to its decentralized and volatile nature. Should bitcoin be controlled, then its price would be constant and subject to monopolization among establishments that have the most capital. Cryptocurrencies, in general, is impossible to regulate and that is why some countries ban the usage of bitcoin because it may be subject to illegal transactions under the dark web.
5571  Economy / Economics / Re: Is bitcoin a good way to invest your money ? on: October 04, 2017, 04:26:54 PM
I think bitcoins are good way to invest money as its market is volatile which means it has very high potential to increase very fast but can also drop but bitcoins prices is mostly depended upon the demands of bitcoins from the people, the more popular it gets more its price would increase.It has keep on increasing bit by bit and now has reached $4800, this year alone its has reached $4800 from $900 which is quite an achievement for bitcoins which also shows that it is profitable to invest in them.
Definitely right.Bitcoin is a very promising investment today because of its own market value.The price seems so right.Every now and then its value fluctuated but its more than on increasing.So just imagine if you have bought bitcoin early this year and you keep on holding it until now,then you will really have a huge profit if you feel like withrawing today.Today  more and more people are getting information about bitcoin so i won't wonder one of these days there will come new batch of millionaires.

Do remember that bitcoin's nature being volatile has always the potential of its price increasing/decreasing depending on the current factors in the market. Last month, due to China's banning of ICOs, it significantly affected bitcoin on its price negatively as it decreased up to $3200. But on a positive note, the price recovered within 2-3 weeks from its initial banning phase.

That is also one of the reasons on why many people are choosing bitcoin investments compared to bank investments or stocks since the returns are higher than the rest. It might not be that secured compared to the traditional ways of investing, but the risk that one is taking surely pays-off once the profit kicks-in. Bitcoin is indeed, one of the best investments currently.
5572  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The best way to quit gambling for good on: October 04, 2017, 06:22:10 AM
When we have free time surely we will be tempted to gambling because it feel good and get a victory, so as to divert the habit of gambling then we must look for other activities such as sports, hanging out with friends or doing social activities.

It may be easier said than done since removing completely your addiction to a certain thing or habit takes a lot of time and dedication. It also depends on the environment were the individual resides in. If he/she is exposed to people who are gambling addicts or peers that influence him on continuing his addiction to gambling, then it would be impossible to remove the addiction. The best remedy in my opinion is by taking all things slow, and participate into counseling services in order for one to realize his/her priorities in life.
5573  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin Die Because of China? on: October 04, 2017, 05:35:53 AM


I guess the best answer to that question is of course a BIG NO! Granted, China is a big contributor for the rise and adoption of Bitcoin and they are primarily the country involved with Bitcoin mining due to very cheap electricity cost.

Now, the Chinese government has its own agenda and I think in the long run Bitcoin can be running against those agenda so they are now thinking of slowly disengaging and disconnecting their citizens away from the cryptocurrency platform.

I know that whatever China will decide on the impact can be heavy on the market and this is shown with the recent decision banning the ICO projects and the unconfirmed total ban of Bitcoin exchanges though it is still a rumor and nobody would want to confirm.

Can cryptocurrency still go on and have a very optimistic future even without China as part of the equation?

A big NO from me too. Although admittedly they've made impact in btc and caused a big leap in the price they are still one country. There's always another country who will take their place that's why they can't kill btc. And as long as we are here supporting and holding our btc tightly, no one can ever kill btc. The only thing that I think btc will die is if a sole entity purchased every single btc there is. We all know that's not possible so to put it simply, there is no way a single country can put an end to btc.
IN the future, all those countries who will be having the most number of bitcoins will be ruling the world because money is power.

Like Rothschild Is controlling all the governments because it owns almost every Central Bank of the world and gold also. Similarly, digital gold will be the power in the future and believe me; China will be back in scenes within days now.

Like in any other principle, the one that has the most supplies has the power over all among its competitors. Like what you guys said, China alone cannot destroy the existence of bitcoin but its banning of ICOs has made a significant impact on bitcoin's price. It may be considered as a factor but there are many countries who support bitcoin usage and implementation. China may be the biggest country that contains numerous investors of bitcoins but a single country cannot defeat multiple countries who maximize the potential of bitcoins.
5574  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin growth again, what to do? on: October 03, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Bitcoin growth again, for two days it's turn back his position 3960$ and continue to grow!
Should I go to bank and buy bitcoins?
Yes, that is a good decision. Buy a lot of bitcoin now because sooner you will surely earn huge profit depend on how long you hold it. You should trust bitcoin sir because its very popular and it also a very legit currency of all.

Do remember that by this November, there will be an another hard fork happening and that is why I suggest that you hold-on to your money first before buying some coins. If you aim for only short-term investments, then now will be the best time to buy. But if you are aiming for long-term investments and higher profit, then I suggest that you wait till the hard-fork by November, and then you start buying bitcoins because surely its price will drop.

Bitcoin might be the most popular among the cryptocurrencies but it is also subject to many external factors that might affect its price. A single country that may ban the usage of bitcoin would likely impact its price significantly. Be reminded that before you invest into bitcoins, you must be mentally ready to accept all positive/negative consequences but don't worry, the chances of you losing money is slim.
5575  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think bitcoin has role to play in the future? on: October 03, 2017, 02:43:52 PM
Bitcoin is a digital currency that is fast, secure, decentralized, and which also has very cheap transaction fees.
Bitcoin has no border from one country to another that is why it is accepted all over the world.
Based on all these aspects, do you think bitcoin has a role to play in the future?

Share with us what you think? thanks Smiley
 

The funny thing is, bitcoin is already giving various opportunities to individuals currently and certainly in the future. Due to bitcoin's volatile and decentralized nature, people are taking advantage of it by investing through time. Also, the existence of campaign signatures have provided people an alternative way of earning extra money without compromising too much of their time. If bitcoin will continue to function like this in our society, we can all agree that it has the potential of improving a country's economic situation by providing jobs to all classes in the society.
5576  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can trading be considered as gambling?? on: October 02, 2017, 07:32:07 AM
I want to know what you guys think about this, I have stopped gambling but still trade so does this mean I am still gambling?? I don't trade on basis of luck I trade using my skills would it still be considered gambling??

Please tell me what do you think.

Different in nature, not prone into addiction. Those two are separate from each other but both involve risks of losing money or a thing. Personally, I think trading is better compared to gambling since you may provide your skills and abilities in exchange for payment. While gambling, for as long as you have the capital and money to bet, you know have bullets in the war. Lastly, trading is not a disease in the society compared to gambling where one can be addicted and affect their family and community.
5577  Other / Off-topic / Re: What are some disadvantages of BTC? on: October 02, 2017, 03:47:21 AM
We all know the advantages of BTC, but what are some of the disadvantages??

The advantages of bitcoin are also its disadvantages depending on the current situation of the market. Here are some of disadvantages of using bitcoin today:

1. The volatility of bitcoin is a double-edged sword, very unpredictable in its price and might result to a profit/loss on an individual;
2. Its limited supply of 21 million in the market;
3. Some counties ban the usage of bitcoin, resulting to a decrease on potential investors;
4. There are many external factors that can affect its price like the banning of ICOs in China; and
5. Its decentralized nature makes it as a perfect medium under the dark web for illegal transactions.

Those are some of my opinions regarding its disadvantages but the advantages of using bitcoin in the community supersede all of those what I stated. There may be some drawbacks from transacting bitcoin but let us not forget its endless opportunities in the community.
5578  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How big were DRUGS in the rise of Bitcoin? on: October 01, 2017, 02:51:07 PM
Drugs were HUGE in the rise of Bitcoin. The Silk Road is where BTC started to take off and become popular. It was used to buy guns, drugs, child pornography and many other various illegal services. Funny how it has become so popular, with such a shady history.  Wink

I completely agree. Before, the abuse of drugs were very rampant at that time and users are looking for ways in order to purchase drugs without being caught by the officials. Due to bitcoins decentralized nature, it served as the medium of exchange under the dark web and this gave rise to a new set of knowledge being spread around the web. Because of this event, this affected bitcoin in its reputation as a currency that cannot be tracked, thus, attracting investors and users throughout the globe.
5579  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is changing the world. on: October 01, 2017, 08:38:18 AM
I think you have missed one word to make your statements a fact ant that word to be added is "will". Because honestly as of right now I don't think that the majority of the population has been affected by Bitcoin. In the business sector a few businesses adapted and accept Bitcoin as a mode of payment the rest still only accept fiat currency and cash cards. They barely even see what Bitcoin can give to their businesses. Also I don't think that saving all your savings into Bitcoin is a good idea because it will be subject to volatility which is a really bad idea if you are protecting your assets.

Well considering that most of the population around the globe are still on the "developing" sector, I would say that bitcoin is slowly changing some parts of the world in terms of having equal opportunity on earning extra cash. It is undeniably a fact that most countries that are in the "developing" sector have their priorities set into boosting their economical standards and having internet connection all-through-out their country may be far from their initial plan is but we must also consider bitcoin's essential to everybody. Its investment is a privilege, and you just treat it like part of your assets.
5580  Economy / Economics / Re: Some things to consider before starting a business on: October 01, 2017, 03:14:24 AM
Before you venture into any business you most be prepared to study every information about that business and also  trying to develop your skills about the venture you want to embark. I am making a living online currently because I learn about forex trading since 2009 and transfer my knowledge to bitcoin and cryptocurrency this year. Your skill is your business future  and I will also advise you to focus your mind on cryptocurrency business related.
Of course, having a huge knowledge on your business plan is vital thing you should must. Without this, you gonna make your business into falling. Getting involve in crypto business is totally different in running business outside, but still needs passion and dedication toward it.
Knowledge is the best foundation for every kind of business and even in any person. Knowledge is always applicable to all of the things in this world and if you will enhance your knowledge everyday then you will feel comfortable and safe that you will become a great person in everything that you will do because you have knowledge and because of those knowledge you can be good in almost everything.

Without knowledge there isn't business. It's impossible to start a business without know-how. The best to do is to study carefully about the business you are trying to start before starting it. Check people who have already worked with the area, ask for hints, informations and very important, check how much you need to start it. Not only talking about online and Bitcoin business, but in general. The basic recipe is the same.

Well it is possible to start a business without having the knowledge or background, however, that would only lead to the failure of the business within the first few months of its operation. Like you said, starting a business is like raising your family. You plan ahead and set goals and missions to be able to provide and support it in order to recognize the potential in the future. Starting a business also involves huge amount or risks, but with the knowledge you have about your product, you can reduce these risks and take it as an advantage in order for it to grow.
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