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How much harder would it be for a trojan to find it?
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I won't lie I'm not sure if this is any more secure but what if you stored a completely separate wallet on a virtual machine and transfered from your normal wallet to the virtual machine wallet.
If an exe that is meant to steal wallet's infects your computer could it just search and find the wallet in the vm or would it specifically need to know your running a vm to be able to find it?
I'm just curious because that would make things simpler I think because you don't have to worry about an encrypted drive breaking and losing all the data forever.
So feel free to rip away and tell me why this wont work.
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To add onto what he is saying turn the pretty off. Turn aero off or what ever makes it look aesthetically pleasing.
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I'm getting around 440MH/s out of mine. I can't remember where I saw it, but there was a chart comparing MH/s, cost, and power consumption and the 5870 is THE card to get for MH/s vs. Power used.
If you add up the costs for a server (bare minimum) cpu- $30 ram- $10 psu- $150 mobo- $140 (if you know cheeper then this with 4 pci express then let me know) hd- $15 PCIe x16 Extender Cable $12*4 5870 $190x4 = $1,153 (440x4)/1153=1.53 megahash per dollar(full server cost) with 5830 5830 $110x4 = $833 (330x4)/833=1.58 So as long as you go the absolute cheapest route 5830 rig at 110 is better but not much so. If you add a case or more to the cost at all the 5870 at 190 will probably overcome the 5830. The last price the 5830s was available at was $130, not $110. Using that figure the ratio comes out to 1.445 for the 5830 rig, so the 5870 rig is actually more economical. Not that I would dream of buying new rigs right now! Do me a favor, PLEASE link me to the $140 motherboard for sale with the 4 PCI x slots... Its out of stock now I posted this about a week ago but here is the link. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138193 |
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This might not be causing the problem but what power supply are you using? I looked up the watt usage for a 6950 and its 312 at full stress which x5 is 1,560 watts and that doesn't include the mobo hd ect.
Silverstone Strider Gold 1200W. I have plenty of headroom. Also, the miners crash when I try to start them when there is 0 load. I'm kinda confused how do you plan to run 5 6950's off a 1200 w power supply if when they are mining each card runs at 312 watts? I may have that number wrong but I looked it up here: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/11Does it crash the moment you start mining with one card or when your mining with 4 cards and you begin mining the 5th? |
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That's too bad man it happens though. If you haven't try reseating the ram maybe it will make it better? I cant guarantee anything though.
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try reseating the ram maybe you accidentally knocked it out slightly while installing the 5970?
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But with stocks you just buy them, and go on with your life.
No time spent tending machines, no noise, no heat, no equipment failures...
Mining is more like a business or job than an investment, unless you're buying mining contracts or something. (Or having a friend do the actual mining for a cut of the proceeds -- which is basically an informal mining contract)
I agree stocks once purchased are much easier. It all depends on the type of person mining though. I spend all day working with and on computers so it's not very difficult to tend to the machines and doesn't take very long either. If the person is not tech savvy I would say just buy bitcoins out right if you want to get involved because I don't think the 10% increase between stocks and mining is worth it if you spend too much time making sure the servers are running properly. The rest of the items you listed as down sides to mining are just based on how much your willing to tolerate. I can personally live with the noise and heat it doesnt really bother me too much. |
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If you calculate all costs you get about 20% ROI per year ...
I'd like to point out that people rely on the stock market to make money and most people are satisfied if they make 10-12 percent annually. |
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This might not be causing the problem but what power supply are you using? I looked up the watt usage for a 6950 and its 312 at full stress which x5 is 1,560 watts and that doesn't include the mobo hd ect.
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I honestly haven't been following the latest best speeds for the 5850 and 70 because they are constantly changing. The only thing really required for the list would be that it could run stable for long periods of time.
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*crickets* lol alright I guess I'll just keep it to myself. If any one is ever interested let me know  |
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While it's true that GPU prices are an important factor, it doesn't matter how great of a deal you get if you can't get the card to produce good results. What are the hash rates on your other 5830s? I've found that the 5830's are about the best cards that are presently available which provide the most "bang for your buck". For example, if you can press them above 300Mh/s, which is a reasonable rate for that card, you're already getting over 2Mhash per dollar spent on the 5830 card as long as you paid under $150 for it! A quick search on Newegg shows a Sapphire 5830 for $129.99, which is well within these parameters. Not a bad ROI at all! The post before mine mentions a 5870 card for $189, which would be a good deal as well, however I can't seem to find a brand new 5870 listed for sale anywhere on the web, let alone for a price anywhere close to that. The Radeon 58xx cards seem to be harder and harder to come by anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Sapphire 5830 from Newegg disappear soon as well. At $130, it's not a bad deal at all, but again it all depends on what hash rates you can get from your cards. Good luck! The problem is your thinking about only the card. The card alone can get over 2 megahash but when you add the cost of an entire server the best you can expect to see is around 1.58 megahash per dollar. I'm getting around 440MH/s out of mine. I can't remember where I saw it, but there was a chart comparing MH/s, cost, and power consumption and the 5870 is THE card to get for MH/s vs. Power used.
If you add up the costs for a server (bare minimum) cpu- $30 ram- $10 psu- $150 mobo- $140 (if you know cheeper then this with 4 pci express then let me know) hd- $15 PCIe x16 Extender Cable $12*4 5870 $190x4 = $1,153 (440x4)/1153=1.53 megahash per dollar(full server cost) with 5830 5830 $110x4 = $833 (330x4)/833=1.58 So as long as you go the absolute cheapest route 5830 rig at 110 is better but not much so. If you add a case or more to the cost at all the 5870 at 190 will probably overcome the 5830. Using the calculations above and adding 80 dollars to the 5830 machine (4x the diference of the 110 vs 130) you get a ratio of 1.44 which is about .1 less megahash then the 5870 and .15 less then the 5830 at 110. This is the very important part if you invest more money into the server then this the gaps between the ratios get even larger. I recognize that these cards are not for sale at the moment and the 5830 at 130 is probably the best deal at the moment. That doesn't mean you should buy it. If I am going to invest in more hardware its going to most definitely be a better card then the 5830 at 130. |
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why on earth would you need a 1600w power supply for 6950s?
I took my computer into a store and they gave me a new motherboard and 4 AMD Radeon 6950's, they built it all for me because I didn't know how
Mystery solved. |
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That's something I'd do lol. The other day in order to fit my 4th card I took a hammer and chisel to the case to make an indent in some unnecessary metal.
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No, the mining power of the network was tiny, and difficulty very low. Check this chart: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=27071.0For example, in april of 2010, 1MH/s of computing power netted you around 25 cents a day. A Core i7 can make about 10MH/s so that's 2.5 bucks a day using cpu mining which is more than enough to cover electricity. GPU mining came around in the end of 2010, and you can see the fall in $/MH that resulted from the growth of computing power. Can I get the source for the difficulty and value of a bitcoin in april 2010? |
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I always laughed when I saw MousePotato's sig |
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Ok I'm almost done with a program where it calculates the megahash per minimum server cost of any given card. The program uses a text file called data.txt that stores information in this format: #5830 256 311 345 #5850 280 370 430 #5870 313 440 490 or card average megahash no overclock normal overclock highest possible overclock I also added a feature where it stores the best five card you have put through the program in a file called records.txt. It is stored in this format: 1.526452732-5870-190.0 1.49339735894-5830-110.0 1.40550807217-5850-165.0 1.36254107338-5830-130.0 or megahash ratio - card - cost All that is required by the user is the card they want to check and the price of the card and it will display this in command prompt. (btw its a 5830 @ $110) The bare minimum server: $30 -cpu $10 -ram $150 -psu $140 -mobo $15 -hdd $48 -4x(PCIe x16 Extender Cable) $440.0 -4x5830 total=$833.0 (311*4)/833.0=1.49339735894 megahash per dollar I figured that having two different files one for the megahash per card and one for the records allows for the user to easily customize if something changes. My question to you guys is would anyone actually be interested if I released this publicly and if so is there any features you might want me to include or change? Thanks for your input  |
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Going through the last 2 pages of your posts. I know, by then many people will have quit. But I wouldn't be surprised if mining got a lot less profitable than it is today.
Guess what? Newsflash -- the money-making frenzy is over. BTC has dropped significantly in price, even as difficulty has increased significantly.
On the other hand, I have no reason to believe that Bitcoin will be more valuable next month, this Fall, or next year. I have no scientific reason to believe that. For business purposes, I'm planning on "more of the same" -- which is 10% difficulty increases every 10-12 days, and a Bitcoin price around $15.
And when I see payoff periods greater than 70 days, I run the other way.
Matthew
I'm not saying mining is a get rich quick scheme but you can be very negative when it comes to mining hence the sky is falling quote that keeps popping up. Here you are contradicting your self. Hey Sgt --
Are you one of those who thinks a 5830 is wasted unless it's OC'd to the 300+ range?
Personally, I have my 5830's bringing in about 270 MH/s each. After all, it's not like they ARE a 300 MH/s card -- that's not exactly their stock output. I don't do aggressive OC'ing.
(2) 5830's = 600 MH/s.
You can get (2) 5830's for only $260. That's 600 MH/s!
And here you are being a pompous ass: Those of us who are mining for a profit are obviously decent with money and aren't likely to be struggling financially.
tl;dr - I have a job too. Enough to support a wife and 4 kids.
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I tried to read the minidump files with some viewer I found. I opened 5 different dumps, and all of them had a different error listed as the reason for the crash. I guess that is a dead end. Or maybe I just don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for in those dumps. I have uninstalled the 11.5 drivers and installed 11.6 now. Going to try running phoenix with the modified kernel and see if it works better this time. Going to leave it at stock settings and see if it still runs tomorrow morning. try googling what it thinks might be causing the crashes. This might lead you in the right direction as to what it could be. |
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