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5661  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 08:00:04 PM
huh, we may have the beginnings of a Dow Theory non-confirmation starting just today.  i'll have to watch this carefully.
5662  Economy / Speculation / Re: Citi report on bitcoin on: August 26, 2014, 07:41:16 PM
we've also arguably completed a natural down cycle as a result of the run up late last year.  

What sort of basis are you using to conclude that this cycle has now completed? This would only be clearly visible in hindsight, so I am curious what metrics you are looking at.

we've broken the downtrend lines.  we've also broken the uptrend lines.  but time is also important, as i am a cycle trader.  this pullback interval has been longer than normal, despite lots of good news, but we are still above last April's low.  so i think it is "time" and the fundamentals have, imo, improved.  plus, other factors.
5663  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 07:33:25 PM
mortgages are still the main component of household debt:



http://www.newyorkfed.org/householdcredit/2013-Q4/HHDC_2013Q4.pdf

Student loans the fastest growing debt.
They are getting them younger.
The education can't be taken away, but you also can't pass it on to your heirs.
It is as ephemeral as it is inalienable.

I see this chart pop up from site to site. It's usually used to "demonstrate" that the US has been deleveraging and all is well.

Add public debt to this (Federal and State/Local) and then for good measure throw on unfunded liabilities. The amount of leverage in the system is continuing to grow exponentially.

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/
5664  Economy / Speculation / Re: Citi report on bitcoin on: August 26, 2014, 07:19:52 PM
that theory still bugs the heck outta me.  i understand the gist of it but the increased monetary velocity will in the long run greatly improve the price dynamic as more consumers adopt and as more merchants hold back BTC.  the secondary supplier function should start getting more widespread as well.

we've also arguably completed a natural down cycle as a result of the run up late last year.  there will come a time when the price starts to rise along with increasing merchant adoption and all this talk will disappear.
5665  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 06:36:53 PM

But actually no.  The promising takeaway from that chart is the large unknown %.  But in the end, the real world economics of a double spend makes anyone over 51% irrelevant.  So they'll double spend once and then lose a lot more from the fallout.  There's no point to even worry about it currently. 

omg!!! you've had The Epiphany!  finally!

and it just won't stop!:

5666  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 06:28:35 PM
Unless you know 100% that discus and ghash are in no way related that statement is 100% fluffy BS.

lol!  always worrying aren't you?
5667  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 06:06:13 PM
Discus @ 22% with ghash @ 21%.  Free market discipline at work!

5668  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
Student loans the fastest growing debt.
They are getting them younger.
The education can't be taken away, but you also can't pass it on to your heirs.
It is as ephemeral as it is inalienable.
worse than that, college provides students with schooling, not education.

Any education may occur is purely accidental and contrary to the goal of producing well-schooled students.

not dischargeable in BK either
5669  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 05:40:33 PM
look the hell out gold & silver:

5670  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 05:31:46 PM
got these suckers on the run.  leverage UP!:

5671  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 05:03:05 PM
Looking at the chart above the total consumer debt is about 12 trillion. A thought that comes to mind is the total QE balance comparable in size?

If it's remotely comparable in size then it looks as if the banks got a free card to collect interest on money they created and use that money to inflate asset prices and then have us the taxpayer guarantees the loans with QE.


Add capital gains to the mix, and the inflated prices cycle back money to the treasury.
Its the best racket in the game.  Its almost like cheating, being the bank.



the money used to back stop the financial sector during 2008 could easily have been deployed to pay off every single underwater mortgage in the US.  Geithner, Paulson, Bernanke had a choice and they chose to bail out their bosses on Wall St instead.
5672  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
gold bounces off what was once support and is now resistance:

5673  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 04:29:36 PM
mortgages are still the main component of household debt:



http://www.newyorkfed.org/householdcredit/2013-Q4/HHDC_2013Q4.pdf
5674  Economy / Speculation / Re: Question For Bitcoin OldTimers on: August 26, 2014, 04:24:06 PM
i would say that the 2016 halving is definitely not priced in yet.
5675  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
simply follow the money.  who does this policy benefit?:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/26/fun-empire-fighting-sides-war
5676  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 03:35:52 PM
Keep pushing!
5677  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
housing ETF XHB has clearly rolled over.  the major homebuilders like MTH, TOL, KBH, PHM, HOV, etc are down in a funk.  they all topped in February. that's not good for the homeowner:

5678  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 10:07:11 AM
Price is firming
5679  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 09:35:35 AM


^ Wences talk is an absolute must-watch. Can't believe I hadn't seen it 'till now. He's spot on about everything: history and purpose of money, properties of money, money as memory, gold's role until now, bitcoin replacing gold, perspective on reserve currencies, opinion that bitcoin is a store of value first, and that it's fundamental promise is as ideal money (not all the other bells and whistles that are so popular lately).

And ya gotta watch through the end of the (brief) comment period to see where he aptly dismisses alt-coins.

I've obviously been aware of Wences' resume since the first Xapo funding* was announced, but I now realize he's even more of an asset to bitcoin than I'd originally realized.

Anyways, thanks for the link cypher.


*sidenote: Xapo is the best-funded bitcoin company to date (~$40m total, IIRC), in case anyone didn't realize.

From the sounds of his talk, there's a chance he lurks this thread. Some of us predate him.
5680  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 26, 2014, 02:32:12 AM
you know how much i enjoy putting up news that verifies that we, as Bitcoiners, are not hacculinating or existing in an echo chamber about past details regarding moral hazard/corruption in the financial system.  listen to this podcast interview btwn Barry Ritholtz and perhaps the ONLY person directly involved in the thick of the 2008 financial crisis who will tell you the truth:  Sheila Bair.  selected tidbits:

1.  for STT: Fannie was in fact trying to catch up to Wall St to recover market share loss when it moved into non-conforming loans from conforming loans.
2.  Brooksley Born was correct about derivatives
3.  derivatives still remain unregulated
4.  housing has only recovered to the bottom of past recoveries in the past
5.  Wall St is back at it knowing that it will be bailed out
6.  Lehman's Dick Fuld fully expected a bailout similar to Bear Stearns and rejected numerous white knight private offers in the summer of 2008 incl one from Warren Buffett. he was wrong and as a result, his net worth suffered a 50% loss; from 300M to 150M.  you can stop feeling sorry for him now.
7.  total admission of manipulation in markets, esp with Libor and the CDS market
8.  validation of the Greenspan & Bernanke Puts
9.  Long Term Capital Management was one of a string of past bailouts that set up the GFC
10. there has been and still is an implicit bailout guarantee that exists for long term bond holders which dovetails that our gvt views debt as money and that we can never allow debt spiral defaults. the result is that we can expect future money printing for any future crises.
11. Bair felt like a 3rd wheel when in private meetings with Bernanke and Paulson in the thick of the crisis.  
12. they both agree that Geithner is a snake, as do i, and is attempting to rewrite history with his book about how there was no choice for America but to bailout it's financial oligarchy.  in fact, it sounds like Bernanke was Geithner's puppet all along, which is the sense i got back then.

http://www.bloomberg.com/podcasts/masters-in-business/
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