This discussion around Dashcoin and some of the figures being thrown around (like Dashcoin holder's should be paid out to a value of $1 million to represent their potential market cap) is really out of all kilter with what's actually going on.

I just looked on Poloniex to see what happening in the Dashcoin market. Here's the buy/sells from a few minutes ago:



Now, unless I'm miscalculating, there's a total BUY order book of 1475 XMR (and you can't see it on the screen grab but 1106 XMR total SELLS). At the last price of XMR (also on Polo) of 0.00268269 that represents 3.95 BTC or $1150 at latest BTC/USD price on Bitfinex.

And that's the main exchange DSH trades on! I think a reality check is needed here. This is major "storm in a tea cup" stuff.

Adam is truly worn-out with all this arduous FUDing of this and many other threads. He gets very little sleep and it's a 24/7 undertaking. In his FUD-Central command centre he has multiple monitors setup that track multiple BCT threads. Bleary eyed, he pours over them looking for tid-bits he can latch onto. It's exhausting and repetitive work. We need to have some sense of the challenges involved. It's very hard for anyone of us to keep up with what's going on here. Is it any wonder then that he just keeps writing the same mindless BS? You're being way too hard on him Tok, expecting him to be on time for his appointments. With all that's going on he doesn't go to bed until 4am each night/morning, so 7am appearance is difficult. Life of a troll - not something you'd wish on your worst enemy!

Adam you're just a joke. Can't you find something more constructive to do with your time?

I think that's a little harsh BlockaFett. It's an understandable response to MyFarm, but he clearly has a far greater handle on legal issues than a potato! (obviously)

His points are important and his take on the situation is worthy of discussion. My concern (and by now most other DRK/DASH community members' concern) is whether his potential to use his possible Dashcoin >51% position to somehow set up a legal precedent against DRK/DASH has any legs (and furthermore is of obvious dubious moral value). I agree his line of thinking (coin holders have as much right to the IP as the original dev) is way out there and not likely to be taken too seriously but, this discussion is an important one and needs to be had (even though there's potentially more uncertainty being raised we have to get past it).

Yes.....as you say though, the movie with Brad Cooper should be riveting! Can hardly wait for its release!

MyFarm's clearly a serious investor and will be looking out for "number 1" (which is the usual driver of what makes most people tick....it's understandable)

So this...


...will have an agenda and something to leverage off associated with it.

It's why I said this to MyFarm:

Mmmm.....yes.....sort of.

I've just seen so many examples of "hired gun" personalities being brought in that then change the ethos and overall culture to a point where the nature of the beast changes substantially and (often) negatively. I think that has even more risk than us continuing on with Evan making the decisions he's making. Sometimes subtle intuition and quiet genius carries the day through the minefields better than someone with a more formal "best man for the job" approach that boards and shareholders demand (and I specifically said "man" and not "man/woman" because the prejudices so often at work with that sort of pressure being applied are usually extremely narrow-minded and negate female executive skill being brought in too). The risks you're highlighting though are very real and I'm not saying lets all just ignore the points you're making. Like Toknormal has said, they're important and a worthwhile part of this debate.

With regards to Vertoe, I wasn't there for whatever build up of issues over time he was experiencing. Regardless, just dumping a very large volume of DRK like that within a tiny market that can be affected by just one masternode being sold was a dramatic bridge-burning exit. That's a liability in any team and not something we would have wanted to continue on. Brilliant people can often be very flighty in their manner and style but there's a point at which they've crossed a line into "bad apple" territory and perhaps this is what we saw happen. I don't know, it's purely speculation on my part.

The important point in all this is to now focus on the future of Dash and go forward to support the team in everything they're doing. And I'd be pleased if you're here doing that (and disappointed if you're hedging in the background with greater emphasis on taking part in undermining activities against Dash).

+ 100

...and I would just add.

If you had to undertake some sort of formal benchmarking process that took into account capabilities across multiple domains of programming skill, industry awareness/knowledge, management skill, communications skill and overall business acumen, Evan is clearly going to come out way ahead of most devs in crypto. Now that's not to say this is a winning factor (i.e. given the pretty ordinary level of dev competence in this field one may need to be light years ahead to be really demonstrating advanced capabilities that stack up in other realms of finance/IT) but it certainly puts him into a good position.

I've read all your posts MyFarm and I can appreciate where you're coming from but I think you're taking a line of thinking that is classic big business / corporate boardroom style of modus operandi where corporate group-think rules and left-field innovation, brilliance and nimble responsiveness is basically trampled on. Some of what you're saying (about needing to get a high level "professional" in and ensure they're well paid) is the sort of line VCs or bankers would push when they're shelling out seed capital. It's what an IBM would do to a small start up upon acquiring them and, in the process, the brilliant minds, advanced thinkers and the innovation would all exit stage right because they can't possibly exist amongst "the suits".

Evan has brought us to where we are. Is it perfect? Is it 100% how it should be? Has the risk been minimised as much as possible? The answer to those questions (of course) is a resounding NO! It's an out-on-the-bleeding-edge project. It's full of issues, complexities and difficulties. There's a never ending need to balance Evan's creativity and just-do-it attitude with more measured processes (like more rigorous release management for instance). But he's brought us this far with the most astounding level of commitment and action. His work output is clearly stunning and his penchant for thinking ten steps ahead about how major issues in crypto can be resolved is impressive beyond anything I've seen in this realm. I for one feel like I'm very fortunate to be involved with such an amazing guy who's doing so much good in this space. The very last thing I'd want to see is all sorts of formal structure and process built up around Evan. Of course, it's inevitable that we'll need more of it at some point (can't operate in the 'financial services' world without it) but at this early stage, I believe Evan has his finger on the pulse and knows what he's doing. And there are enough people in here (like what bigrcanada was just pointing out about his background) who have enough extensive experience that they can perceive what's going on from the same angle.

None of what I'm saying though is to say we won't have legal stoushes and problems going forward, but I believe Evan's insight and creative thought processes will, to a degree, negate whatever comes along (as difficult as it may be). I'm all for having dissenting voices on a project to negate the natural build up of cognitive dissonance but your comments about Vertoe being the second most important dev I think are out of line and a misrepresentation of what's really true. The manner in which he exited, dumping 50,000 DRK (or thereabouts) without warning was a dummy spit of epic proportions. It's just as well it happened now and not further down the track. That type of personality within a team environment is often too damaging by contrast to the benefit they bring.

Vertoe isn't a "she" (that's a misunderstanding that's been running for sometime).

Brilliant Tungfa!

Great to see you're getting the message out through official channels even though logos and icons aren't ready yet. It's good.

I think you meant @Minotaur26. He's the one that made the offer.

Give it a rest Minotaur. With the level of troll activity in here there's just a default layer of FUD and victimisation people are going to sit on. There's no point attempting to reason with some of these people, they want to stay with "those DRK/DASH people are BAD TO THE CORE", yet a dev has chosen to sell his project. It's really him the Dashcoin people should be taking these complaints to.

Edit: attempted to fix the quote boxes

Maybe. Maybe not. (the wall on Polo is gone)

Well....we could debate the merits (or otherwise) of Otoh's wall ad nauseum I suspect.

Bottom line is the price didn't completely collapse which is beneficial for stability. If Otoh hadn't had the 0.01 wall on Bitfinex a whole lot of MNs would have been unloaded once the price breached 0.01 and started heading down into the .009 and below territory. Then it would have snowballed and there'd be far more angst and chaos as a result.

I think what Otoh's done has kept things more stable which is ultimately good for DASH and good for for all investors.

(can't reply again, off to a meeting)

Thanks. Given the ambiguity of you comparing others to Adam on some sort of "douche scale" (as if that somehow validates Adam!) I'll take this as a compliment.

Thanks for the status update Otoh. There are many people here who really appreciate your ongoing support.

Good grief!


With this statement you're calling Adam a douche!

(I need to spend less time on these forums....too many people that don't even realise what they've just said!)

End of conversation. It's too stupid.

My point is:


having a go at DRK/DASH yet comparing two of DRK/DASH's most ardent supporters with a known troll (which suggests you don't like AdamWhite either so .....what are you getting at?)


So it makes it acceptable to be a douche because we're in the DRK / DASH thread? But given you don't like AdamWhite as well what's that saying about what you're trying to say?

Totally confusing. I don't know what you're trying to communicate. Why don't you go back  to school and learn how to write a sentence that actually means something,

Is it just me or are other people struggling to understand what some of these posters are actually saying or attempting to convey? The "ambiguity factor" (if there is such a measurement) seems to have increased dramatically in the past few days.

Honestly, half the time I don't know whether some of these new people are having-a-go-at us, complimenting us or making some sort of sarcastic cross reference.

The communication skills are just fading to the point where it's mostly incoherent babble.