Changes on Bitfinex
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BTC/LTC Executed in Last 30 Days ******* Current Fee **** New Add Fee ***** New Remove Fee
Less than 500 ******************************* 0.15% ********* 0.10% ************ 0.20%
500 or more, but less than 2,000 ************ 0.14% ********* 0.08% ************ 0.20%
2,000 or more, but less than 5,000 ********** 0.13% ********* 0.06% ************ 0.20%
5,000 or more, but less than 15,000 ********* 0.12% ********* 0.04% ************ 0.20%
15,000 or more, but less than 25,000 ******** 0.11% ********* 0.02% ************ 0.20%
25,000 or more ****************************** 0.10% ******** 0.00% ************ 0.20%
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 ?? new add fee=??? --> is it a fee for placing a limit order? is it applied to market orders too? or is it a fee for a buy beeing executed? new remove fee=??? --> is it a fee for canceling a limit order? or is it a fee for a sell beeing executed? is the current fee removed alltogether? so that the new fee for the lowest volume traders per "pair" (as you call it) would be 0.3%?? if it is 0,3% wouldnt it be logical to re-enable the "route to bitstamp" feature? cause that way it means: no routing, but the higher fee that used to be applied for routed orders? if above=yes: doesnt this fee structure lead to high volume traders beeing able to trade smaller spreads than lower liquidity traders, though making it possible for whales to leech on smaller fish? you really DOUBLE your fees ?? do we see 1:8 leverage too ? |
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(2) Für einen gewerblichen Bitcoinhandel könnte eine BaFin-Lizenz notwendig sein. Das ist laut anwaltlicher Aussage gar nicht mal unwahrscheinlich. Praktisch ist es aber quasi unmöglich, solch eine lizenz zu erhalten. Ohne Lizenz zu agieren, geht allerdings mit einigen Risiken einher...
Für reinen Bitcoinhandel auf eigene Rechnung ohne weitere "Dienstleistungskomponenten" oder ähnliches ist laut Aussage der BaFin keine Erlaubnis notwendig. Anders ist es wenn man z.B. als Market Maker aktiv ist oder einen besonderen Beitrag zu Markt leistet. Dies gilt dann, wenn BTC nicht nur geschürft, gekauft oder verkauft werden, um damit an einem bestehenden Markt zu partizipieren, sondern ein besonderer Beitrag geleistet wird, um diesen Markt zu schaffen oder zu erhalten. Aufgrund des zusätzlichen Dienstleistungselements handelt es sich dann um erlaubnispflichtigen Eigenhandel gemäß § 1 Absatz 1a Nr. 4 KWG. Dies ist etwa der Fall, wenn eine Person auf dem Markt damit wirbt, dass sie regelmäßig BTC an- oder verkauft. Ein weiteres Beispiel sind Mining-Pools, die gewerblich Erlösanteile aus geschürften und veräußerten BTC gegen die Überlassung von Rechnerleistung durch den Nutzer anbieten. Hier ist die Stellungnahme der BaFin dazu: http://www.bafin.de/SharedDocs/Veroeffentlichungen/DE/Fachartikel/2014/fa_bj_1401_bitcoins.htmlWeiterer Vorteil der fehlenden Erlaubnispflicht: Als reiner Händler an einem etablierten Markt ist man nach dieser Interpretation auch nicht Verpflichteter im Sinne des Geldwäschegesetzes. Edit: Sorry für den requote btcash... Da haben wir wohl paralel geschrieben ;-) ja, meinung der bafin.... bitcoins sind kein geld, ich zweifel dass die meinung der bafin richtig ist. die hätten das wohl gerne so |
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Okay, soweit kann man sich mit anfreunden. Mit der steuerlichen Einstufung von "gewerblich" hat das aber nichts zu tun, oder?
Ist mir nichts bekannt, ich frage aber die Kollegen gerne nochmal. Und: Warum sollte denn eine Privatperson ein kostenpflichtiges Konto nutzen wollen? ;-) Retail-Geschäft läuft primär über die Masse, das will sich keine Bank durch Kontoführungsgebühr kaputt machen (außer manches Institut mit rotem Logo ;-) Corporate-Geschäft: Hier sehen die Verdienstkurven der Banken gänzlich anders aus, warum alle mit einer derartige Nutzungsstruktur da rein geschoben werden. Und es hat aus der Geldwäsche-Betrachtung noch einen anderen Aspekt (da Retail-Konten mit Corp.Nutzungsstruktur drei mal aufleuchten ;-) ) Für die Steuern deiner Firma könnte das aber relevant sein, weil man u.U. die Kontoführungsgebühr irgendwie in die Steuerlast miteinfließen lassen kann ...schreibst du aber, dass man dann einer umfassenden Legitimation unterzogen wird. Wie sähe das denn dann bitte in diesem Fall aus? Ein Bitcointrader hat natürlich keine Geschäftsführung oder sonsitges
Bei einem 1-Mann-Unternehmen gibts natürlich keine Dokumente ala Gesellschaftsvertrag, diese gibts bspw. bei Kapitalgesellschaften etc. (Bzw. analog verwertbare Dokumente bspw. bei Vereinen etc.) Der 1-Mann-Freiberufler meldet sich einfach ganz normal bei der Bank an (bspw. bei uns  ), natürlich über die Corp.Registrierungs-Funktion. Die erforderlichen Dokumente werden dann gelistet und angefordert (denn der Doku-Stapel variiert von Rechtsform zu Rechtsform teilweise) Heißt also: Ausweis ist auch bei einem Corp.Konto mindestens immer erforderlich. Also es würde mich freuen, wenn du klare Regeln nennen könntest, was man als Betroffener nun tun kann und wie man dem vllt vorbeugen kann, wenn man schon vorher weiß, dass man einen hohen Umsatz erreichen wird.
Tja, schwierig. Wir haben diese Fälle am Anfang erstmal gewähren lassen, mit freundlichem Hinweis. Mittlerweile sind die Kollegen da stringenter geworden. Eine Möglichkeit wäre, jeden einzelnen "anzumelden" so dass diese dann ausgenommen werden, wobei das keine langfristig funktionierende Lösung ist. Ich frag mal nach, aber sicherlich ist davon auszugehen, dass Fidor in diesen Fällen zukünftigt immer ein Corp.Konto verlangt. Wie es bei anderen Banken läuft, kann ich nicht beurteilen... Grüße, Florian haha, ihr seid ja eine lustige bank. konto kann jederzeit gesperrt werden, pech |
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I am in very good health. And I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
Aminorex is not Dorian Nakamoto. That can only he mean he's Satoshi Nakamoto. Now I just need to fit the lines to the data and draw a dinosaur, and I'll have definitive proof. Ask him to confirm that he's not involved in Bitcoin. If he can't, that's proof positive. i couldnt find my transactions in btc-transfer-report, found my id in mtgox_balances |
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MtGox Database is leaked - using MagicalTux's own hacked blog and reddit account.  Wow, some REAL DATA at least! Even if it is for a dead exchange... When was that snapshot taken? What are the total balances in BTC, US, JPY, etc? Data reveals:
Largest balance is 44K BTC which has not been accessed since 13/7/12
Next largest is 43K BTC last accessed on 25/2/14
It continues with 10 more 5000+ BTC balances where the accounts have not been accessed 2012.
That is quite interesting, so there were people who had huge amounts of BTC in an exchange and did not use them for years. Could that be true for other exchanges, now (after the demise of MtGOX)? or its accounts where all the .000000000x round-errors and other specialities went to.. |
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Data reveals:
Largest balance is 44K BTC which has not been accessed since 13/7/12
Next largest is 43K BTC last accessed on 25/2/14
It continues with 10 more 5000+ BTC balances where the accounts have not been accessed 2012.
Wow, that is so sad. Thats an absolute fortune  i think that table is heavily "photoshoped". wheres the index? |
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MtGox's FUD cloud is still blocking the sky. not sure if its going to rain....
market seems to be holding its ground.
with MtGox DB being analyzed and two bit Idiot trying to make some noise, we have a very interesting week ahead of us.
Mr Idiot seems to have rolled back his hyperbole and isn't publishing his whatever it is tomorrow http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/has eliminated the last piece of credibility. anyway, who is he? is he important to btc? i never had to deal with him, all i need is this forum, btc-wisdom and bitfinex! |
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 thx, forgot that after all the other settings..
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 but why does it say MH/s? is it Kh or MH you got? |
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That money may be being used in the bankruptcy/reorganization process that Mt Gox is undergoing presently.
Too bad LEO and lawyers are running it and hate the public. Oh wait, if the public knows then "Justice may not be served" haha, isn't that what lawyers and police always say? We can't tell you what's up because, justice. there is no way that a legal procedure as the bankruptcy of mt.gox involves moving coins around. at least not now already. first the procedure needs to run as long as it needs for the judge to understand how bitcoin works... what will be when every kid on earth already uses some completely different cryptocurrency and bitcoin is only living on in japanese manga tales. if the legal procedure requires that the coins are distributed, the judge would first appoint some science-wizard from university (or tepco....) who first would study the beast for 2 years, then he would propose how its done, decision making then would take another 2 years and then a public announcement would be made on some shitty-japanese-government website using some japanese slang from some mountain village, calling all victims to make claims until the third day after the second japanese christmas and than they would check if the claims are legit, which would require for every claimant to come to japan and make some sworn statement and then it would take another five years to make a payout plan and then..maybe.. they would transfer some coins.. |
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As I am mainly operating as a liquidity provider on your platform I have noticed that a third column was added to the "offer swap" tab with the description of "Nb of swap contracts (of 1 $ each)". It's just a ridiculous way of saying "Amount". You want to lend out $1000 you type 1000 in that field "and offer 1000 swap contracts of $1 each". I am guessing there could be legal reasons for putting it like that? Regardless, just read "Nb of swap contracts" as "Amount" and put an amount of USD there. only thing i can imagine why they renamed it is that they wanna be sure everyone realizes that the lending can lead to multiple borrowers so that they get multiple fees but the lender gets the same intereset disregarding the number of borrowers |
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I have told about the needed features countless times already, but I'll repeat myself again, what I see that needs fixing but isn't adressed with bitcoin: a) Speed of increasing wealth concentration b) Deflationary system that prohibits price stability c) Inefficiency of mining where new resources are spent while the network doesn't gain in speed or security.
I recommend many of the Alt coins that address your concerns specifically, if they truly are better, you'll make a killing. which altcoin isnt scrypt? |
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i dont understand your posts. my point is, that we are trading in the dark. why did they remove "no liquidity on stamp" in the orderbook? |
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what fud?
go long @ 532,8 right now (big bitfinex wall @ 533) and try to sell @ 535 (price on bitstamp right now). wont do.
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this morning bitstamp trades didnt go through; no info on bitfinex order book about that - the spread was huge. at around 11 bistamp was going through again.
now spread is around 6 USD, orders not executed @ bitstamp. no info on the orderbook about that.
is this intended, that bitstamp price cant be taken if bitfinex price is higher/lower?
and the way its achieved is to only make market orders route to bitstamp? that would be less than funny..
edit 22:50: seems that bitstamp was reconnected: huge sells @ bitfinex, no one on stamp, price is in sync again
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Hey! What's going on with Bitcoinbuilder? Last price 0.22 with gox/stamp 0.29. Wtf?
An American woke up early to check on how things are and freaked out That or we're screwed. I'm sending more BTC to builder now anyway, double or nothing. Hurry up Stamp "waiting to be processed" do i understand that right?: you speculate on that btc-builder will exist longer than your gox speculation will run, so that you can get your btc out again and not be trapped in gox? |
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haha, i love the rendered picture of a building and the corporate design, banksters approaching ...
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hy!
it would be nice to have more than one api key as parallel use of one api key gives nonce error.
thx
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strange margin order deletion again:
position -10 btc
buy limit order +20 btc
partial execution with 3 btc - order removed
??
edit:
my limit orders are treaded like fill or kill
Strange ... Are your fees settled in USD or BTC? Please go to the account setting section and set it in USD ( in case they are not ). Thank you and have a good day Giancarlo Bitfinex Team i think i found out, the system allows to put an order for which the margin is sufficient only after the active position is closed, but upon settlement it considers the margin not to be enough and cancels the order. |
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