Just bought all the tickets and put in some extra, I'm sorry for your loss, and especially saddened by the loss of animal lives. Hope you guys are able to rebuild and recuperate! txid: a571250031ea0d90fb9dc34d4ef2b4c875833be7f80fcd8d79cacf1fd297633e

Mine arrived today: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/754978006255472640

In terms of price, I view this as a coffee table book. Here are some other hard-cover coffee table books to provide a price comparison:

$290: https://www.amazon.com/South-Africa-Hoberman-Collection-1999-05-04/dp/B01FIZW5AE
$675: https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Ford-Years-Graydon-Carter/dp/0500511977
$300: https://www.amazon.com/Beach-Richard-Misrach/dp/1597110485
$620: https://www.amazon.com/Tea-Tea-Table-Eighteenth-Century-England-Ben/dp/1848930259

Of course you also get coffee table books that are $15, but I don't think the $150 price for this was overly harsh given the small run. In deference to what defcon23 stated above, I feel that paying a premium for a limited edition is completely justifiable. Even if this book goes on to produce a second print, the first edition will still have been a limited run, and would remain collectible.

You're not my friend. You don't get to use my first name.

I honestly don't see the trolling you claim exists. Sure, iCEBREAKER goes off on things, but he's no worse than Spoetnik. I think people need to stop being so sensitive and use the ignore button. I certainly have no control over what iCEBREAKER says or doesn't say, nor would I ever want to waste what little influence I have trying to force the community to follow my ideological beliefs.

That said, I definitely do not condone TheDashGuy's asking for donations and implying the donations would go towards him working on Monero:


That is borderline fraud.

First up, the reason you had "crickets" from me was because I was asleep. I'm sorry I chose to sleep at 3am instead of continuing this discussion. I find it's always best to remember that people live all over the world, and long-form discussions don't need to occur when you happen to be online.

Now to the point: your quoted post is incredibly hypocritical. You're calling on me to speak for some individuals on one social media site, because apparently their actions equate to Monero's actions. Pot. Kettle. Black.

I absolutely, 100% think that the claims of projects should be questioned. I devote a few minutes to that very topic in a talk I recently gave in Arnhem in the Netherlands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YVlQE-ObEXk#t=1606 (YouTube link should take you straight to the right time in the talk, else fast-forward to 26:46).

Nobody is getting paid, that's a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

I will absolutely not denounce anyone. They are intelligent individuals who are welcome to say whatever they want. If I am to denounce them because they are critical of some other project, where does that end? What if some community members decide they don't like sushi, which I love - should I denounce them too? What if they have different moral beliefs, or religious beliefs, or they don't love dogs as much as I do?

Your call for "Monero's leaders" (such as they exist) to denounce members of the community for this is a disgusting attack on free speech.

I don't get it. There was a predictable level of schadenfreude from some in the community, but you certainly were not glorified nor vilified. Perhaps you can explain the "life lessons" you were trying to teach?

Do you think if someone came to the Dash subreddit, and said they were quitting Monero, the reaction would be different?


By your own claim in this thread, the individual members of a cryptocurrency's community are inseparable from the cryptocurrency itself. Thus, I present to you the very basis for Dash "advancing crypto[graphy]" -


I look forward to Dash's peer-reviewed white papers that contain no mathematics.

We hit 100% on StackExchange, well done!



You're still able to commit and join the private beta, even when it's started: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/98617/monero

In terms of "dev notes", a lot of this stuff goes down on IRC in #monero-dev and sometimes even #monero. The bi-weekly dev meetings are the culmination of these discussions that span thousands of lines of text over many days.

0MQ is a trivial decision to make, because it's a backend change as you've observed. Our only option is either a messaging system (of which 0MQ is unequivocally the most battle-tested, with the largest number of implementations) or replacing the current HTTP server with something far more performant. Obviously, short of forking nginx, the latter is not really an option.

To speak to your other concern: we are definitely looking at replacing the wire protocol. Since we'll have 0MQ in already, and since we want to enable developers to build consensus-compatible implementations in whatever language they'd like, the logical choice is ZMTP (http://zmtp.org). This is, again, something that is battle-hardened and has implementations in tons of languages. Our other option is picking one of the Tor pluggable transports, something like obfs4, but that's somewhat less desirable for cross-implementation purposes.

The current home-grown Boost::ASIO wire protocol is significantly more risky than switching to something that is standard. It's entirely possible that there's some weirdness under the hood that we haven't uncovered yet, so swapping it out for something that is well-known and widely used in FOSS projects is extremely desirable. Complexity is the enemy of good security, and in this case custom protocols way worse than well-known standards.

Perhaps more importantly, though, the wire protocol is hardly an attack surface. The major risk it represents is an MITM attack revealing what transactions you were the first to broadcast (mitigated by end-to-end encryption in ZMTP), and fingerprinting attacks being able to correlate your clearnet IP with your i2p address (mitigated by introducing some execution randomness to the i2p connectivity, and completely separating the information shared with nodes on both interfaces). Beyond that, a compromised or poisoned wire protocol won't be able to "do" anything particularly bad. The daemon has no idea what your private keys are. It has some information about your transactions you send out, and the ones you're interested in, but if it were revealing that it would be spotted very quickly.

Ummmmm.

Hello, imposter.

In the words of Hillary Clinton: delete your account.

ShapeShift supports Monero and requires no ID. It is centralised, but you can use it behind Tor.

BitSquare, on the other hand, is a completely decentralised exchange that supports Monero and requires no ID.

In addition, there are OTC markets for Monero which require no identification.

None of these are particularly new, they have existed for Bitcoin and even for Monero for ages.

It's ok to be a moron, Spoetnik, but it's not ok to be ignorant and yet talk like you're an authority. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

According to the group info this *is* the invite link: https://telegram.me/bitmonero

agreesivity inteensifies.

I just discovered this thread, and thought I'd chime in, because your description of me is grossly inaccurate. I write VERY little actual code in Monero. My role, as a maintainer, is primarily coordination, testing, merging. On a higher level, as a member of the Monero Core Team, I am involved in stewardship, administration, architecture, and so on.

Take a look at https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/graphs or use a tool like git-fame.

That will show you that the REAL rock star devs of the Monero project are people like moneromooo, the late warptangent, Thomas Winget (tewinget), Howard Chu (hyc), oranjuice, mikezackles, and Shen Noether.

Similarly, looking at other areas of development like the Monero Research Lab and the Monero Core GUI adds several more parties to the list.

Then there's Kovri, which is really just a ton of historical work by orignal, and then mountains of work more recently by anonimal, EinMByte, and majestrate (psi).

Lastly there's the members of the Monero community, from the subreddit moderators (americanpegasus, dEBRUYNE) to the guys that handle the social media channels, to everyone contributing to parts of the ecosystem.

I am no rock star dev, and to call me such is incredibly insulting to all of those that put in tons of their own time with little hope of reward. I'm just a cog in a very large machine, and even if I disappear tomorrow Monero will continue unabated.

And to answer your question: without being overly biased, the answer is obviously Monero. The reason is because Monero makes it impossible to undo anything. If someone stole a bunch of Monero, what would we do? We can't roll back the chain, because by then the transactions might have gone anywhere and outputs might have been utilised in any number of legitimate transactions. We can't undo or roll anything back because there would simply be no point to doing so except to destroy Monero's immutability.

Rolling back is something that will never happen. About the closest the Monero community would come to that is to checkpoint a block to correct a major implementation issue that has caused a fork or to correct something that is so far beyond the social contract (eg. magically creating billions of Monero in a transaction) that to leave it is untenable. Monero's social contract remains fixed.

Yes - sweep_all. It may only be available on very recent versions of simplewallet and not in 0.9.4, I can't remember when it was added.

Thank you!

The community is literally the only thing that drives Monero ever-forward. I guess there's a sense of accomplishment because those that struggle to understand what a blockchain is have left, and the remainder have sat through multiple sophisticated attacks against Monero's network, massive crashes in the market depreciating their holdings, and a distinct lack of flashy nonsense that would attract the "blockchain 4.0" crowd. Oh, and then there's me, who keeps telling people not to buy Monero, because I'm pragmatic.

You are welcome to insult the community as much as you want, but I can assure you that the project and the network *is* the community more than it is the code, more than it is the core team.

No. The *spec* for Bitcoin is 21 million coins max. If something breaks the spec it is an implementation issue and can (and should) be reversed in order to maintain the *social contract*. The 2010 bug was clearly an implementation bug that broke the spec.

The DAO had no spec, the truth was in the (poorly documented) code. Per the about page on the website: https://daohub.org/about.html - "The DAO is borne from immutable, unstoppable, and irrefutable computer code, operated entirely by its members, and fueled using ETH which Creates DAO tokens."

We already did this during the block 202612 attack. We asked them to halt deposits and withdrawals (but not trading!) until we figured out what was happening. The minute the fork resolved and we had a handle on what to do about it we told them they could resume.

If, during that fork, an exchange had continued accepting deposits and processing withdrawals we wouldn't have stopped them, that's entirely at their own risk.

Monero still has a lot of work to do, and we don't have $20 million to rest on, so I can imagine that a sophisticated attack like this might be repeated in future. As it stands right now, a resourceful attacked could probably just fork the network based on hashing power alone. Obviously we will do our utmost to ensure that this isn't possible, but if it does happen we will - again - handle things as best we see fit. We won't ever ask exchanges to pause deposits / withdrawals unless we don't know what's going on and fear that we may be under attack.