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1041  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -> Monero Community Hall of Fame <- on: August 25, 2014, 12:30:22 AM
I have made an additional donation of 534.80 XMR, and sent to PM fluffypony with copy to cAPSLOCK.

Confirmed - and thank you:)
1042  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Darkcoin - Will it rise again? on: August 25, 2014, 12:29:27 AM
Considering you guys don't have a GUI, I'd say you're more like IRC chat  Grin

LOL - hopefully we upgrade ourselves to Skype levels soon enough;)
1043  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 25, 2014, 12:27:16 AM
2014/08/24 Monero Blockchain Spam Attack - Post Mortem

Part I

A slightly deeper analysis around the transactions and the timeline will come out in part 2 tomorrow, along with the Monero Missive (delayed to give us time to focus on this priority;)

On 2014/08/24 a spam attack was launched against the Monero blockchain. Up to that point, Monero had a relatively low fixed fee per transaction of 0.005 XMR (under 1 US cent per transaction). This allowed the attacker to broadcast extremely large transactions every 5 seconds.

For the most part, the network worked as expected. The dynamic block size limit allowed the max block size to grow, and transactions were broadcast without incident. However, the (relatively) slow expansion in the median block size, among other things, lead to some transactions taking some time to confirm. This is not the usual turn of events - normally an increase in usage occurs over a couple of days in a best case scenario (Monero is featured on Dr Phil and Oprah, and every Monero user gets a whale once they check under their seat). At its worst, there were ~400 transactions in the memory pool that were waiting to be confirmed. The sudden, sharp, drastic increase means that the network needed to adjust, and in the interim some transactions took anything from a few extra minutes to an hour longer than usual.

Let's look at the actual effect on the blockchain:



From our average of around ~1750 transactions a day, the network spiked to 3255 transactions on the day of the attack - an 86% increase! Nonetheless, the network survived and handled it quite well.



Block time should average around 60 seconds. As you can see, there was no drastic change in our average daily block time, indicative of the network's robustness as it sought to maintain the 60 second average.



Blockchain growth over August was 6.684mb per day. Because of the attack, blockchain growth over the past two days was 20.326mb (23rd) and 15.05mb (24th). This is a net effect of 13.642mb extra + 8.366mb extra = 22mb more than average over the period.



As a final note of interest, you can see the minor dip in yesterday's block reward, as the block penalty kicked in to prevent too many large blocks being created.

Within the space of about 4 hours we had finalised and deployed a temporary fix that ramped the fee up. Thanks to the hard work and availability of pool operators and exchange operators on a Saturday afternoon/evening, we were able to get a large enough portion of the network to shift over to incorporate the change. Those pool operators that were unavailable in the wee hours of Saturday evening picked up the change on Sunday, and as of Sunday morning the network has recovered completely, bar 22mb of extra unnecessary transactions.

The ramp up to 0.1 XMR fees stopped the attacker dead in their tracks, and gives us a bit of time to regroup and finalise the changes we were making that will permanently prevent this in future.
1044  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 24, 2014, 10:17:09 PM
Anyone that buys into your way of thinking is likely to be quite stupid, so I wouldn't expect them to have lots of cash, or to to be able to work out how to use the MSDOS-like client.

I think the point they're making is that Bitcoin has 5.5 years of development, we have a couple of months. It "feels like Bitcoin in 2010" because it's the wild west, rough and raw and unknown and hard to use. I'd hope that in the next 3 or 4 or 5 years the Monero landscape will be vastly different;)
1045  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 09:52:37 PM
Hey everyone, have a problem. My wallet is eating up almost all of my memory. bitmonerod is using 3.5GB of my 6Gb of ram (4Gb Stick and 2GB stick). I'll buy another 4GB  stick tomorrow, but really, 3.5GB? wow...
Any tips or suggestions on how to reduce this memory hog?
My system is currently not that stable (i have others things using memory too).

I'm seeing 32mb physical RAM, 5.82gb virtual, on my Macbook Air (that only has 4gb RAM). Your OS *should* do really good memory paging to virtual memory *if* you have sufficient VM configured. I'm not sure if Windows is super bad at this, but with OS X, as it is currently configured on my entry-level Macbook Air with 4gb RAM, I can get up to ~20gb RAM usage without getting much past the 32mb physical RAM used.

Thats what i`m talking about.. I got 8 GB of RAM and soon that will not be enough. In few months with this tempo we will need 16 GB.

and btw new wallet can`t sync at all... GZ... and even you can`t "end task" him... and you can`t even reboot PC... Since that bitmonerod.exe window simply won`t close. LOL
As i say. Old wallet eating memory too but working as should.
 Nice update..
And one more thing... Got 162 wallets on C:\Wallets and they ALL working, few need to be deleted but ok...

See above - virtual memory isn't the same as physical memory. If you're adding physical RAM to keep up then your OS is paging really badly.

HOWEVER...we are pushing ahead with the embedded database as quickly as possible. It's an incredibly involved and intense change, due to the consequences and edge-cases that may be encountered, but we are pushing as hard as we can to get it done as quickly as we can.
1046  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 08:24:25 PM
Which is more harmful?
Pool make update immediatly after mandatory update ? (This even though there a small patch)
Or pool wait network make update before make update ?

If everyone had that attitude then nobody would update. We'd all be sitting around "wait network make update".

It's much worse to wait in an emergency soft-fork situation, because you simply do not know what danger you are putting yourself and the rest of the network in. Incidentally, every other pool discussed it with me or in #monero-dev, and once we explained the situation they changed over immediately without waiting.
1047  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Darkcoin - Will it rise again? on: August 24, 2014, 07:51:58 PM
Yes, sending around 10k XMR for 18 usd cent is so insane.
Except that the majority of people have only small amounts, and a fee of .1 XMR to send say 1 XMR is not practical.

Yeah but hopefully they'll be ok not needing to send $1.85 around for the few weeks we need to roll out a permanent fix:)
How many MB were added to the blockchain as a result of the attack?

22mb more than the August average.
1048  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Darkcoin - Will it rise again? on: August 24, 2014, 07:27:30 PM
Yes, sending around 10k XMR for 18 usd cent is so insane.
Except that the majority of people have only small amounts, and a fee of .1 XMR to send say 1 XMR is not practical.

Yeah but hopefully they'll be ok not needing to send $1.85 around for the few weeks we need to roll out a permanent fix:)
1049  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Darkcoin - Will it rise again? on: August 24, 2014, 06:32:39 PM
its now giving way to a real anonymous coin (cryptonote-based) XMR/Monero.

xmr's block chain is being tested by a bloat attacker. lets hope it gets the tx fees up to slow down the attack.

We already did and the network was back to normal as of ~16 hours ago:) Emergency fix was built, tested, and deployed by major pools and exchanges within 6 hours of noticing the attack.
1050  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 06:29:28 PM
And how does a regular person (user) update? Just overwrite the old bitmonerod.exe and simplewallet.exe with new ones? And keep the old stuff like .keys, .txts and wallets in the same directory?

Update executables, remove poolstate.bin and p2pstate.bin then start.

What re-generates poolstate.bin and p2pstate.bin if you remove them as a general user? Removing these causes simplewallet.exe to not execute.

It shouldn't, simplewallet doesn't touch either of those files. When you start the daemon again after removing these two then they'll be recreated; p2pstate.bin is the daemon's peer lists, and poolstate.bin is the transaction mempool that it'll receive once it syncs up.
1051  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 06:28:17 PM
I just watched the fireside chat form like the 8th of this month showing the wire frame gui and talking about abstracting the data from the block chain logic.  Has there been one since then and if so can somebody point me there?  Apologies for the laziness ... my phone is acting up

No there hasn't - they're going to be irregular and only when we have sufficient movement to warrant another developer event. There are updates in the Missives since then, they're linked in the OP:)
1052  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 05:17:55 PM
Thanks Taco and you gave me an idea - TACO Time!

You need to watch this: http://vimeo.com/90127834
1053  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The anonymity war is over. No one won. It is now the asset arms race. on: August 24, 2014, 04:08:33 PM
I am not the smartest, but....


I think

anonymous coins are a fad

fads only last a while, and then they go away


A reason why this fad may fade, is because the real world financial sector

may begin to embrace non-anonymous coins, while rejecting anonymous coins,

and comes along with large amounts of investment dollars,

that anonymous coins miss out on,

and investors in anonymous coins then sell, and go looking to invest into coins that

are being invested into by the real world financial persons.

Anonymous coins would then be a smaller niche, than the larger categories that
the real world financial sector might invest into.

( they won't likely want to be associated in any way at all with criminal or black market )

Multi-national corporations are among the very first in line to adopt a technology that prevents their competitors, the government, and external auditors from observing their accounts on the blockchain. The criminal or black market is a drop in the ocean compared to MNCs. They are craving a way to surreptitiously move funds between continents to tax havens in a way that does not require huge forex hedges.

That having been said, I can fully agree with your last point about association - MNCs will want to use something that does not sound like they're inherently doing something illegal. They're unlikely to have line items in their quarterly income statement that contain the words "dark", "teleport", "stealth", or "cloak" unless the corporation in question is DARPA:-P
1054  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The anonymity war is over. No one won. It is now the asset arms race. on: August 24, 2014, 01:13:37 PM
I don't quite see the point in discussing facts. That's like discussing if or if not there's the law of gravity.

There is no discussion, I've asked you to present a single fact. You have yet to present a fact. You're presenting an opinion.

Are you in denial right now to protect your Monero investment?  Monero is inferior, it's a fact.

Again - not a fact. A fact is something indisputable as it is either directly observable or provable. For example, I could say "TaunGawk's opinion is irrelevant because it is clearly a sockpuppet account that was created a mere 4 hours ago." That is a fact, verifiable by observing your profile page coupled with the nonsense you're posting.
1055  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Next Crypto Wave. on: August 24, 2014, 01:02:50 PM
on altcoins, I'm curious as to which ones are currently targeting adoption from people outside the crypto-sphere right now?

Storj coin is targeting cloud storage users. Its very early days yet but apparently they've had some commcercial interest to host video content.

Because as a cloud user I don't want my personal data stored by a reputable company, or as a business we don't want our collaborative data stored by a business with whom we have an SLA and whose sole job is the safe storage of data, we want it spread out across random hard drives, right? Or better yet - stored on the hard drives of tens of thousands of computers infected by a botnet, where the destruction of the botnet means the destruction of every redundant copy of my data. Sounds like a great idea!

There's also this: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/appcoins-are-snake-oil/
1056  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
You can explain , why you have delete key P2P_STAT_TRUSTED_PUB_KEY ?
And what it does exactly?

There were some concerns in another thread that it could give Bytecoin the ability to use debug commands to get an overview of the network. Whilst we have already audited this part of the code and determined this is not the case, we felt it prudent to zero the key out for the moment so as to allay concerns.
1057  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 12:16:53 PM
We'll have a post-mortem later today
I first thought this was a joke, but it is not, the term exists.

Yep, it's not my first time on the merry-go-round;)
1058  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The anonymity war is over. No one won. It is now the asset arms race. on: August 24, 2014, 11:36:43 AM
There is the New Economy Movement that is on the way to make all altcoins including Monero obsolete. Mastercoin was an IPO stunt.

How will NEM make all altcoins obsolete? Saying it as a statement of fact, without presenting any evidence to support it, is silly. You can say "in my opinion" or "I believe" if you want to spew unverifiable nonsense.

Why do you guys go for Monero advertisement here all the way?  It was debunked as inferior to Bitcoin earlier.

This just in: carrots debunked as inferior to oranges! Also, where did this "debunking" take place?
1059  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 11:26:23 AM
Yes i agree is verry bad patch. Without my patch my pool is broken.

You make error. I not relay bad transaction and other node not greylisting my pool ( I not relay bad transaction )
I wait all other pool make update for remove patch .

My pool not break consensus off TX Fee.

None of the other pools are using your patch, nor are any of them reporting being "broken".

Your patch breaks the consensus network because it does not prevent malicious nodes from constantly pushing bad transactions by cutting them off. An attacker can spin up 50 ec2 instances and broadcast nonsense transactions (20kb transactions filled with random data) at you at a rate of tens of thousands a second. Because you're not disconnecting their connections, you will burn CPU time verifying the transactions. Even though you aren't relaying the malicious transactions, you are creating a trivial attack vector for someone to take your pool and any nodes that use this patch out of commission.

This patch is bad for you, bad for the network, and fixes an imaginary problem that does not exist.
1060  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: August 24, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
Can we have some data on the aftermath of the attack? I'm primarily interested in

- number of transactions done in a given timeframe,
- megabytes added as bloat,
- effect in transaction speed
- total cost for the attacker

If there is anything else you find important, please share.

We'll have a post-mortem later today
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