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881  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 22, 2014, 12:31:51 PM
I am not here to bash or so, I just want to know if the exploit is real or not because i can't follow it anymore. If not then is perfect buying time.

Cheers

Right now it's indeterminable. There have been no specifics given to us, and given the contradictory and nonsensical nature of the breadcrumbs we're leaning towards it not being real until demonstrated otherwise or given technical details we can follow.
882  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 22, 2014, 05:13:51 AM
Icebreaker - the core team's time notwithstanding, typical devs in this space with the requisite skills are $30 to $50 an hour, which works out to ~$5500 to ~$9000 a month per developer. You can extrapolate out from there.
883  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012 on: September 21, 2014, 09:53:35 PM
He constantly jumps on the Bytecoin thread calling everyone a liar and posting FUD just to try and support his Monero clone.

If you or anyone can provide verifiable (from credible identified third party unaffiliated with the project) proof that Bytecoin existed in 2012 then I will not only retract every negative statement I've ever made about it but I will abandon and denounce Monero immediately. It won't happen because it doesn't exist.



This is a high bet, smooth. Grin

It's one I take too. And note that we're specific about it being credible - the means that a purchased forum account won't do, and if you're paying off a public figure you'd best make sure his buddies won't nab on him.
884  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 09:49:16 PM
You may want to also look into the code vetting done by <unknown person who is not a cryptographer>.

Wink

No thanks. Perhaps you could get some actual cryptanalysis done and then we can talk.
885  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 09:20:38 PM
XUC??? WTF is that???

I thought this was XMR... Oh wait.. Its dying.. I get it......

#Stealthcoin for the win.

So instead of choosing to remain ignorant (and I know a lot of people that earn significantly more than 50 BTC a month and similarly choose not to remain ignorant) I clicked on the XUC link. It is a cryptocurrency barwizi is hoping to launch next month to provide a "common" currency between cryptocurrencies. Monero is one of the coins he has selected to participate. Stealthcoin, unfortunately, is not. But I'm sure if you vacate our thread and go back to shilling elsewhere you can beg him to include it. All the best with that, chum, I'm sure your tech advisor can assist you and your 50 BTC a month to beg barwizi for inclusion.
886  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] - A unsecure, public, traceable cryptocurrency !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) on: September 21, 2014, 04:53:52 PM
Good luck with all that. In 2 days I'll be back to see how that fix is coming along.

HAHAHA

Oh good, you're leaving. See you in 2 days!
887  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 04:53:25 PM
OK real question.

smooth had mentioned that not only mining but running a full node is important in securing the network,

If I run my regular miner and the daemon simultaneously without mining from my wallet, will this work or do I need to mine from my wallet?

Yes - if you want to run a full node then all you have to do is run the daemon:)
888  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 04:31:57 PM
You mean everyone important. Stop running your mouth and go try to fix your fucking coin.

What a dumbass you are. Sitting here arguing with investors while your other team members and yourself dump.

Fuckoff!

We don't have investors. We're not a company.

Go troll elsewhere, ok? Thanks.
889  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 04:26:45 PM
Are you joking... So if bitcoin was deemed to be flawed and was going to die would you call the first guys to sell panic sellers?

I'd call them smart money.

Deemed to be flawed by nobody important.

Don't you have another thread to go be annoying in?
890  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 21, 2014, 04:14:43 PM
Anonymint doesn't seem to have any affiliation with Monero and he seems to be working his ass off. Even during dinner.  As a core developer you are  the equivalent of the CEO and in so you have the responsibility towards the share holders (investors) to be on top of this. If I was invested in a company where they hit some serious problems I'd be pretty pissed off if the CEO said he would hit the beach with his wife and stated there are other things in life that matter, not only this company. I would expect the CEO to be working at full speed. If he couldn't solve it himself he would be networking, talking to people who potentially could, speaking to investors trying to calm the market etc. Your reply was another fail in my eyes.

"Investors" do not pay my salary. In fact, in spite of the smattering of donations, I (and the rest of the core team) spend significantly more money than we receive, and that doesn't even account for our time. We are not a company, we do not have investors. We are just a group of multi-skilled, multi-faceted people trying to see if we can bring Monero to a point where it is a secure, safe, easy-to-use, and fully decentralised cryptocurrency.

Also, there are 7 of us. If I take a break for an hour on a Sunday to choose not to neglect my wife but to go walk on the beach with her you can bet that work doesn't stop, nor do the cogs turning inside my head. So I guess you could say I, too, worked during that hour. And I'm sorry if you disagree, but my family (even though it only consists of my wife) comes first and foremost in my life.
891  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 21, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
Well someone is having fun  Roll Eyes

Just wait till you see the pics of me drinking whisky...so scandalous!
892  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 21, 2014, 03:34:53 PM
Pretty comical that a core developer chooses to go to the beach when this is going down. I have a family as well but if my coin was at risk of dying I'd put 100% in fixing that first.

How do you get that? There's been a claim with virtually no details, that we can neither refute or accept. So what are we meant to fix, exactly?

Would you prefer it if I feverishly read through every line of code in an abject panic?

Until BCX either provides some more technical details, or he just carries out his attack in 2 days time, we don't know *if* there is an exploit, what its nature is, or where to even start looking. So we carry on as normal, investing plenty of time in Monero, without needlessly panicking, because if we panic we will accomplish nothing.
893  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 02:29:40 PM
I don't know why people are trying to keep XMR afloat while it might have security flaws all around and the only good thing it has are the ring signatures. There are other coins with similar technology now using bitcoin base code which is already proven to be secure.

Ring signatures are in which other non-CryptoNote coin again? I mean actually implemented and working, not just "promised". And does it have stealth addresses as well?
894  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 02:28:27 PM
I dont know why that matters but I am stealthman. But for real guys.. You think I would be pulling 50BTC a month income and growing monthly from my membership group if I was not on the ball when it came to making money? The truth is I have an eye for these things. XMR code is flawed and needs to go back to the drawing board. XMR was not it the best spot before all this happened and now its in an even tighter spot.

If you're pulling 50 BTC a month in income why are you chatting on an Internet forum on a Sunday? Don't you have a life that you should be living?
895  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 02:16:03 PM
They are - my bad - they are also a more efficient type to reduce the bloat by 1/4 of the size.  Its a more efficient way of handling the signatures for real world use at and on a high volume transaction network, which is what you would want for a coin to succeed.   Cryptonote will never be able to achieve this.

You talk as if we are incapable of changing from Franklin / Zhang ring signatures to Chandran signatures. We are absolutely able to do that, but the research from Microsoft Research is still in its infancy. It will require a lot of review, forethought, and testing. As and when the time comes, the Monero Research Lab will put out a publication to cover this, but we will not rush it, nor will we make a promise to implement it at this stage. We don't make impossible promises to pump the price, we only talk about something when it's practical and possible and in-progress.
896  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 02:10:47 PM
Any cryptonote is not a good investment regardless - for FUTURE real world applications the Block Chain bloat itself by DESIGN is a big Warning sign for me.   Think if the XMR network ever hit BTC volume transactions... the network would fucking grind and the size of the block chain is going to be enormous.  

So you got Bad Code.  Bad Design for future applications and a possible exploit coming if not patched.

Here you can see from the DEV himself that there are "PLAUSIBLE"  attack vectors - wonder if this is how its going to end for cryptonote.
http://lab.monero.cc/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf

not trying to FUD here.. but please be aware if the codes written like shit, what else might be shit.

You're being obtuse - that publication presents an edge case that is not going to happen any time soon, and presents a fix for it.

The reference code is not "written like shit". There are parts that are obfuscated, and parts where the design decisions are not clear because the code is not commented. That does not mean it's terrible and must be thrown away, it means that the code should be incrementally refactored and documented.

Please go back to your thread if you have nothing useful or correct to say.
897  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 02:07:58 PM
Hey bud, TBH. I'm not a tech guy. I'm a numbers guy. I do have a tech adviser though who I employ to keep me up to date on the tech workings of the crazy crypto world I live in.

What are his credentials, cryptographically speaking? Has he published anything cryptographically relevant that we can read? I mean, since he's advising you on cryptocurrencies I would imagine it's a prerequisite for him to have an extremely strong crypto background.

All I can say is hes a respected member of this community who you all look up to.

I doubt that very much. The respected members of this community who we all look up to are known cryptographers and experts such as gmaxwell, andytoshi, wumpus, gavinandresen, and so on.
898  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 02:06:16 PM
what you say to this?

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/507427225927708672

things seem bad for XMR right now - ring signatures are dead Chandran Signatures are the way of the future - get out while you can.  XST > XMR

That's from weeks ago.

Also, Chandran signatures *ARE* ring signatures.
899  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
You clearly have not read the WP then. Show me how you want to track the coins through an sms!

https://ssd.eff.org/wire/protect/sms - "Avoid SMS Text Messages If You Can", a guide from the EFF that you really should read

Also, the mechanism may be obfuscated, but the transaction is still on the blockchain. In the example, if I know Carol's XST address I can see who paid her. One of those payments will be from Bob, and I can discover who he is through multiple means (rubberhose cryptanalysis, he put his address on a forum once, etc. etc.)

Obscuring the transaction broadcast really isn't a necessary component, as even with Bitcoin transactions are relayed, and thus the IP address attached to a transaction is merely the IP address of the node that first relayed it. This system provides no improvement over Bitcoin's pseudonymous transaction relay system.
900  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: September 21, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
Hey bud, TBH. I'm not a tech guy. I'm a numbers guy. I do have a tech adviser though who I employ to keep me up to date on the tech workings of the crazy crypto world I live in.

What are his credentials, cryptographically speaking? Has he published anything cryptographically relevant that we can read? I mean, since he's advising you on cryptocurrencies I would imagine it's a prerequisite for him to have an extremely strong crypto background.
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