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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade)
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on: August 24, 2014, 11:04:32 AM
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monero.crypto-pool.fr as playing the games, the first 3 biggest pool has make mandatory update.
This is an incredibly bad patch. It completely breaks the consensus network and relays broke transactions (not just those with the incorrect fee). Pools and nodes deploying this patch will allow an attacker to DDoS the entire network with bad transactions. I cannot emphasise strongly enough how bad this patch is, applying sets us on a path to destroying Monero completely. The network will be a little bit rocky for the next 48 hours as bad (older) nodes are isolated and segregated off, and good nodes are deployed. I'm seeing around 40% of the nodes the DNS seeders connect to having already upgraded. Pools will still operate just fine, transactions will still go through just fine, the nodes that will suffer from flailing connectivity are the ones that have NOT upgraded, not those that have. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero)
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on: August 23, 2014, 09:39:02 PM
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Monero is currently under attack with a spam attack, while no other CN coin seems to be. The attacker is spamming tx with random, large mixins (initially only mixin 101 was used, until I called them out on it in the official thread).
And what is the problem with these txs? Are they invalid? Does it take too much effort to decide their validity? If so, couldn't you require that all tx come with a small and instantly verifiable proof-of-work, whose difficulty scales with tx validity checking effort? They are perfectly legitimate, perfectly valid transactions. But because we have an unusually low transaction fee the attacker is spamming the blockchain with dumb tx's. The solution is to bump the fee temporarily (in github, mandatory update, new binaries on the way), and to prioritise per-kb tx fees, which were previously on a 2-4 week start date. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency
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on: August 23, 2014, 09:19:28 PM
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ADD: It should be blatantly obvious that we don't want to sell 100 GB of blockchain space for $41k. Do the math dudes, for the sake of Monero!
For those that lurk in #monero-dev -
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[23:12:40] monero: [bitmonero] fluffypony opened pull request #104: Fees temporarily bumped to 0.1 XMR per tx to prevent spam attack (master...master) http://git.io/9_lUdA
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[23:12:56] monero: [bitmonero] fluffypony closed pull request #104: Fees temporarily bumped to 0.1 XMR per tx to prevent spam attack (master...master) http://git.io/9_lUdA
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[23:13:01] @fluffypony: oh well, at least they tried
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency
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on: August 23, 2014, 11:52:39 AM
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I'll happily maintain it, as long as it doesn't annoy the actual Monero team. I started it with a view to building the knowns into a bit of a roadmap and maybe some graphical flow for the overall reported progress. But as you see there is a super huge amount of information there so its hard to get it all into another more visual format.
Not annoyed at all:) I was wondering if it wouldn't make sense to put it on a timeline using this: http://timeline.knightlab.com - thoughts? The Time magazine "Nelson Mandela" timeline is an example how things brief notes can be expanded to show the exact line from the Missive or something. You can even shove it up on github and give a couple of people collab status so that you don't have to worry about maintaining it all by yourself. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero XMR ... Why do people fall for the shills and bullshit?
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on: August 22, 2014, 10:38:55 PM
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a) We have more real GUI than you guys, it's just a fact. b) Architectural changes that will require hardfork better to implement before launch, so i implemented those features that i supposed to be important fixes of CN and can't be fixed in future without hardforks. You prefer to build community instead of it and later torment network with hardforks ? ... well, Monero obviously had no choice since it was launched by TFT, and i could understand it. But trying to convince people now that it is normal practice sounds senseless. a) It's legitimate in BBR, and it is illegitimate in XMR. Feel the difference. b) It's obviously that db is not critical for next few months. Atm end-user won't feel any difference - in BBR we have about 1-2 seconds for loading blockchain from storage file. So now better to focus on really critical issues. UPDATE: About whitepaper - all Monero's activists comments was focused on everything except main - conception of blockchain based PoW. And even after dga's post with concrete comparsion - it was ignored by Moneros - that is the best prove that this is well done. Your attitude is appalling and quite shocking, crypto_zoidberg, especially given that I spoke so highly of you just a few posts back in this thread. I am so disappointed in you - I genuinely and truly believed you were more of a man than this. I thought I had read your character well and found you to be honourable, but now I see I was gravely mistaken. I will not speak to your individual points since I have no desire to continue to engage and re-engage over a debate that is largely irrelevant. I do believe that both Monero and Boolberry have something to offer the community at large. I have, however, lost all respect for you and for Boolberry this evening, and I am saddened by this turn of events and the dishonourable behaviour I have observed. Oh and as for responding to dga - if arguing over "the best" PoW algorithm was worth more than 20 seconds of my valuable time I would have responded. I respect dga very much, but I do not see a need for endless and ongoing PoW comparisons. We are not bound to CryptoNight by blood, and if we change in future you can bet it will be to something superior like a future iteration of Cuckoo Cycle and not to something functionally indistinguishable like "Wild Keccak". Rehashing that argument over and over is pointless. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero XMR ... Why do people fall for the shills and bullshit?
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on: August 22, 2014, 06:25:31 PM
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I've seen the QT creator screenshots. Can't touch it though. Where could I find the link to try it out in the flesh.
You're on OS X, right? Here you go: http://monero.cc/downloads/guipreview/mac/monero.zipPer the Monero Missive from last week when the binary was released: "We know everyone is quite keen to play around with the GUI. We are still doing a great deal of underlying work, but we wanted to get the interface out there for everyone to have a play and see how they like it. There are some bugs (for example, resizing the MiniWindow interface does not work), and there are some spelling errors that we'll fix as we pull everything out for Qt Linguist to handle translation. But if you're happy to play around then please grab a binary - we'll take feedback in the form of github issues as soon as we've finalised the initial release of the interface and have it up there. " |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero XMR ... Why do people fall for the shills and bullshit?
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on: August 22, 2014, 03:40:50 PM
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The difference between the two right now in terms of usability is not incremental, but visible and apparent. That's what's real. The monero GUI mockup is sexy. Looks like a lot of thought went into it. Good job there. But For now that's what it is, a mockup. BBR gui is proven here today. The user experience is hardly the opposite, it just works. There's this constant narrative in any monero supporters posts that they are doing things properly, other coins have done a botch job.
It's not just a mockup - we pushed out binaries of the interface a week ago. It is not wired up, and there is still a lot of work to be done, but the interface is way past mockup stage. why this is continually used as a subtle attack against competing coins. The notion that you aren't in a rush to make things easy for the 3rd group and instead focusing on doing business in the back, so BBR has screwed up because it's already managed to make things perfectly easy for the 3rd group is something that keeps being repeated. Used as a con when it's not one. . We are getting the supporters parroting that same thing ad infinitum, implying they are the only group which puts any though into anything.
I never said it was a screw-up, I was just stating why we do not have a similar GUI as part of the Monero core. Incidentally, Jojatekok's Windows Monero client is one-click to run, it auto-updates itself, and is available in a bunch of languages (16 if memory serves). Literally its only downside is that it is Windows only, but that appears to be the majority of the target audience served by the BBR GUI, no? So I'd throw it straight back at you - why are you using this as a not-subtle-at-all attack against Monero, when an equivalent already exists for Monero? Come, now, this is a silly argument to be having. It's great monero is doing things methodologically, (no sarcasm), the whole GUI thing isn't that important really. It's a small pool of participants right now, and it is true you could take a little time to learn. It's more the reaction to it. If XMR had GUI and BBR didn't, my god, you would not hear the end of it. When the opposite is true, complete nonchalence. No one seems to cares what other coins are adding because XMR can do it in the future so it wins by default is what seems to be happening now
Now let me ask: what is up with all this "BBR vs. XMR" stuff? I'm going to reiterate what I've said on more than one occasion: we like crypto_zoidberg very much. We have shared code across the fence on more than one occasion. There are changes he's implemented that we do not agree are a good idea, and it's ok for us not to agree with everything another person does. It would be a particularly boring world if we all just agreed with each other all the time:) If someone asks my honest opinion about an aspect of BBR of course I will answer honestly, in a positive or a negative sense, just as I have been openly honest about Monero's shortcomings. Recently, however, there's been a great deal of baiting that has gone on, and I've been suckered into responding to fallacies and nonsense in a way that could be viewed as me having a negative opinion of crypto_zoidberg, when that is not the case. I wish him all and his cryptocurrency all the best, and I don't see any reason why both can't coexist without the need for constant comparison by supporters on both sides. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero XMR ... Why do people fall for the shills and bullshit?
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on: August 22, 2014, 03:13:22 PM
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,. we needed people to be able to dynamically switch one boost version out for another.
Why? Because we were having endless issues with statically compiled boost not playing nicely on some systems. As a reminder, the release in question is 2 months old, so we've since moved past this and it will no longer be an issue in the next tagged release. In other words, you have to split target audiences in two.
When do you expect the second group to start using it? The word you were looking for is sliver, not slither, Snakes slither. I'd expect them to start using it sometime between now and mid-2040. Thanks for the catch:) I'll fix it now! |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero)
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on: August 22, 2014, 11:44:18 AM
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Seems to me that someone’s blowing his gaskets trying to smear the CN tech up and down. Hexah deserves some credit on this one, even Monero has gotten its share of the shit pie here. Making it look like a pinnacle of the CN technology ready to take on Bitcoin is just outright ridiculous.
Heh - I keep saying that Monero is alpha-grade and has a VERY long way to go before it's even widely usable, so I agree that it is ridiculous:) It all smells like the competition is playing out its tricky scheme on us. I don’t want to engage in the finger-pointing here (enough has been done so far) but isn’t it like Darkcoin hates us all. Those guys have never been particularly picky about their methods.
Shall we do some ass-kicking on their thread in retaliation?
We'd prefer not to get involved in any retaliatory or smear campaigns. We don't have a problem talking and engaging where people ask for our individual or collective opinions or say something that is factually incorrect, but we are trying to keep our focus inward more than outward. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero)
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on: August 22, 2014, 11:16:48 AM
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I am not - please let me know where I've been purposely abrasive, tongue-in-cheek poking notwithstanding.
You are not. However you choose to ignore and refuse to condemn the campaign of bile, vitriol and FUD against every other cryptonote coin by Monero trolls and shills. It is obvious to everyone else on this forum that their actions are not only damaging the whole cryptonote ecosystem but also your work in developing Monero. Its called Karma and you don't seem to be enjoying the reaction!  That's utter nonsense. I have denounced this thread and the OP *in this very thread* - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.msg8396374#msg8396374 (referring to the OP) - Typical ivory tower complex - when clever people know they're clever and know what they're saying is (mostly) factual they tend to present it from the top of their ivory tower. Often they forget that there are other clever people also sitting in ivory towers, and all they do is shout loudly over each other;) That having been said, if you can wade past the douchebag behaviour there are many things I can't fault OP on or outrightly disprove.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.msg8412323#msg8412323 (responding to Liquid71, most important phrases italicised and made bold for emphasis) - The author of this post is NOT involved with Monero in any way. I cannot refute some or even most of his findings, but I certainly disagree with the vitriolic voracity with which it is delivered. He is exceedingly angry, and that is at odds with the way any members of the Monero core team view CryptoNote or Bytecoin.
I can only find the one comment that smooth made recently in the Bytecoin thread, and I don't think there is a fundamental problem with engaging cross-thread. We harbour no ill-will against Bytecoin, so to label a tongue-in-cheek comment as "trolling" is a bit of a stretch, don't you agree? I know it's a fine line, but I don't think we're being purposely obtuse or abrasive.
As to those involved with Monero who you label "Monero trolls", we simply cannot control anyone. People are going to say good things and bad things about Monero, and it is not our responsibility or in our best interest to attempt to stifle free speech. There will always be people that passionate like or passionately hate Monero, and that's a good thing, as it encourages intense debate. For those that cross the line to trolling or excessive pandering, I apologise for their behaviour on behalf of the core team. We do not condone it, but we are also not in a position to be able to stop it. Please accept my personal apology as well if the behaviour of anyone even peripherally involved with Monero has offended you in any way.
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