Indeed. However, I don't think overcoming either encryption or 50% of network power will be achieved in the next few years. How long will it last? Well if there's enough adoption to get enough transaction fees to make mining continuously profitable (and hashing power high enough), that should at least make the 50% part improbable.
There's also the argument fact that if you own 50% of the hashing power, with the revenue potential, why destroy bitcoins to start with? Although some people are indeed... not too sane and/or prone to extreme grudge against various things.
Oh, I agree. The question is whether it will last long enough for this particular venture to be a viable investment. A 51% attack is improbable, yes, but only as long as no breakthrough/flaw is made/found in SHA256. I won't postulate that your second argument isn't valid, but I personally would rather not bet my assets on the sanity of an unknown personage. In any case, I think we agree at this point. Thanks for the excellent discussion!
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by "they", I referred to bitcoins.
However, I don't disagree with the fact that the verification method could be compromised by technological advances, but that is yet to see and I sure hope it does not happen.
I see. "Bitcoin" in the singular is usually used to refer to the currency, and you used the singular at points throughout your post, so I assumed the plural was in reference to online currencies in general. Sorry for my misinterpretation. I certainly hope so also, but hoping unfortunately doesn't make business plans viable.
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I'd be glad to set up a worker on my account for testing if you so desire.
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I'm a full proponent of online currencies, but the probability of Bitcoin still existing in 83 (or even 17) years is quite frankly abysmal.
I'm sorry, but they'll stay around as long as people value them and are willing to trade with them. I'm pretty sure it could live on more than 20 years, even if that means a large devaluation. It has become a convenient payment method for many people online (still low compared to other payment processor, but for such an odd concept, I still find the adoption impressive). It's possible they'll be gone by then, but I don't think their chance of surviving that long is even close to as grim as abysmal. I never stated that online currencies had an abysmal chance of survival, I said that Bitcoin did. Lot of difference between the two. You're sorry? I think Bitcoin is a wonderful idea; if I didn't I wouldn't be here. But I also think that, due in most part to exponential technological advances, Bitcoin's model, most specifically the method of transaction verification, is unlikely to remain secure for 83 years. Surely you don't disagree with that?
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I'm not sure why you keep going on about his comment, you basically just repeated stuff I already said.
Okay, sorry you don't like the slogan.
Not sure that my website design will hurt me, compared to all other sites/forums, the bitcoin community is full of very simple/old/basic websites/templates, and again, I've gotten compliments about the design.
You indicated that you didn't understand what I was saying, I clarified to the best of my ability. Thanks for considering my feedback in any case, and good luck with your venture.
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I'm generating 1 million shares no matter what.
Would you rather pay 1BTC for each now, and get 50% of mining output.... or pay market prices and get paid nothing for 10 years, 100% goes into growing the mining company, and I sell 1000 shares a month at market prices.
Did I read that correctly? 10 million shares owned by you now, then sell 1K of those shares per month for 10 years, means you still have 856,000 shares after 10 years? No, I said 1 million, not 10. Although, yes, it'd take 83 years. Pretend I said 5,000 shares a month, that seems more reasonable, it would take almost 17 years to sell them off if I did my math right. I'm a full proponent of online currencies, but the probability of Bitcoin still existing in 83 (or even 17) years is quite frankly abysmal.
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Deathbylollipop, I'm not sure about your prospect for running an advertising business, but you would make a fortune as a comedian...
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Okay I did from my deathbylollipop email account.
I also recorded a video regarding outside support for the enterprise so hopefully that will help generate revenue so that club goers and scene members can see and respect us as a nightlife powerhouse.
Fueled of course by the power of the bitcoin.
Thanks Nefario!
What are you talking about? You don't even have an account on GLBSE.com Read his thread; he is either drunk, totally clueless, or trolling. Maybe even all three.
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You just repeated what I said, WHT has more competition.
Anyway, not sure what you are trying to "suggest" or what makes you think people are "staying away", if you don't understand the slogan I'm sorry. As for the site, well I've gotten compliments on that as well, and its 100% custom made. I have no referals as the site is only 2 weeks old, so eh. Thanks for your opinion though.
This isn't WHT, ergo less competition, ergo less price competitive. Nyaan's point was that people here are usually intelligent, and will not buy overpriced VPSs. (I'm not saying that yours are, that was his allegation.) I'm sorry for not making myself clear. I'll do my best to clarify. "I don't understand the slogan"? Disliking is not synonymous with not understanding, last time I checked. . Nor did I ever say your website was ugly (aesthetically, it's quite nice), I said it was "virtually identical" to many others. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it will hurt you here. In general, the Bitcoin community is anti-conformism. Having a personal (not personal as in personalized, personal as in less aloofly documented) service will help you quite a bit.
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Yes, I'm aware it will take a LONG time to convert BTC into USD for much of my purpose. And yes, I'm aware how the VC process works (I know people who have gone the Silicon Valley startup route). I'm trying something new. I think it is going to be possible to crowd fund large scale business using Bitcoin without going through things like YC or Kickstarter.
What I'm planning on doing is building a small scale DC just to host mining hardware, but it is going to take quite some time to get there.
I'm willing to put the next 10 years of my life into this, I think Bitcoin has a future but it is going to take effort to get there.
Well, color me interested. Sorry for the cross-examining, just wanted to make sure you had some clue what you're doing, which you obviously do.
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Well, I imagine 1m BTC worth of people want to continue profitably mining when no one else can. If I'm wrong, this is going to be a waste of 8BTC.
Alright, if we assume that you receive 1m BTC in your IPO, what do you plan to do with it? There's not enough liquidity to sell it immediately for USD, it would take a while and undoubtedly lower the exchange rate. If we assume you manage to sell it for ~4 million USD, what are you planning to buy? (And why do you expect us to trust you with that much? GLBSE ID verification and reputation on these forums is one thing, but you're moving to a scale far beyond that. Most start-ups requesting VC request under $1 million, and have to go through extensive processes to get it. You're asking for $4 million.)
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I'm Ukrainian, and there are some issues to verify my ID on GLBSE. I'm sure that there are, and I bear no ill intent. Just understand that you have the burden of proof here. I selling mining bonds, one bond, one Mh/s. My contract is pretty simple, I don't see, what side of it may need some clarification. Community feedback? If you like it, you buying it, if no, than no, that is the best feedback. If no one buys it, it isn't much of an IPO, is it? I assume you want to sell these; I'm trying to help you by showing why, and least IMHO, people aren't buying them. I thought that I currently answer of that question. I have more mining power, that I selling, and I have money reserve in BTC. If this is not an answer, that, probably, I do not clearly understand the question. What kind of emergency? You didn't, not in this thread at least. Thank you for answering. And thank you for posting pictures of your rigs. They're certainly quite inventively constructed.
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Just because this isn't WHT doesn't mean you can overprice your VPSs.
How are my VPS "overpriced"? If anything, they are under-priced. And on WHT you actually have to sell for cheaper with all the competition, so your statement makes even less sense. His statement makes sense; WHT has more competition than here. Read it again. Quite honestly, I suspect it's your motto, method of advertising, and website that are keeping people away. With all due respect, "We know quality, we know you." is one of the most meaningless slogans I have ever seen. It also doesn't help that you use stars in your threads, have no referrals whatsoever listed on your website or here, and have a website virtually identical to those of the seeming ten thousand other VPS providers out there. No ill intent, just providing some suggestions.
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The fact that bitcoins goes in reverse order then normal transactions on say Hardforum is strange... and i may pull my listing with that being the case.
PS KCMastrpc, if you read the whole post you would indeed see i did include my heatware username... While no you are correct its not as "Complete" as yours mines a handfull of positive decent sized transactions (mostly new motherboards and videocard) with zero complaints.
My ebay also has a few listings, i am by no means a freuent seller though.
Like i said i am not sure i am personally comfortable with sending first, i would never do that with a cash transaction so why would i with bitcoins?
First of all, welcome. Here's the deal: Observably, it seems like literally all Mac-related products listed on here are scams, and usually the first few indicators that it is a scam are 1) low post count especially when selling high-value products, 2) refusal to use escrow, 3) refusal to ship first especially to a reputable member. There are so many scams on this forum that there's basically an unspoken initiation or hazing for newcomers -- either bite the bullet and ship first OR use someone extremely reputable on the forums as an escrow, or end up being suspected a scammer. That being said, I would be willing to be an escrow for your sale for a 1% fee. I would hold the buyer's coins until the buyer receives their product. Once I confirm they've received it, I would release the BTC to you. I believe there are others that might do it for free. Kluge will do it for free, and he's extremely trustworthy IMHO. (Not to rain on your parade the joint)
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Calm down with the stars, this is bullshit
Agreed. This isn't WHT, please just use standard ASCII.
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I absolutely will.
After a good nights sleep and provided all links work (already signed up on the new 2.0 site) I will be on schedule for ipo release ASAP.
Considered I've already had about 4 shots of vodka and a shot of goldschlager I doubt I am in the proper condition to make sound choices on the promotion of the bitcoin or its supporters.
Pro tip: Don't launch/advertise/promote companies when you're drunk. Stunningly enough, it doesn't help your cause.
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So you've decided that you can't scam people with a root kit so now you are going to try and raise funds and run?
Interesting business concepts. Seems like you are on a roll.
If I am wrong them I am sure you will verify you glbse.com account.
Give him at least a little credit, this one's even more hilarious!
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Well the premise is to have attractive young night lifers to get involved in the promotion of bitcoin and bitcoin enterprises.
Organizing groups of possibly intoxicated people to say orchestrated lines on camera can present a bit of a challenge.
Besides I want to attract large groups of viewers so perfecting my pr techniques is a priority.
Besides its not a matter of simply having a channel on youtube. Ideally the organization would like to have some names to back them up before we attach our name to the project.
I would also like to state that we highly support the bitcoin and bitcoin based enterprises so doing this would be an absolute pleasure.
I'm at Flannigan's Boca Raton right now if you guys would like a promo ad...
haha jk
Attractive young night lifers promoting Bitcoin enterprises. This just gets better and better. I think these forums have just become a valid source of Friday night entertainment.
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Modular Python Bitcoin Miner. It's the mining software I'm using to drive the FPGAs.
And yes I am leaning towards a corrupt file. I'm going to try reinstalling everything clean, and trying again. It appears to be a USB driver level lock up. So it could be something wacky in the software, or a corrupt OS file of some kind causing a problem.
Hopefully re-installing will clear up the issue. If it doesn't I'll have to continue to divide and conquer. For now my plan is to reinstall the software, then re-add one miner at a time to confirm it mines. If I can sustain that more than 10min then I continue. If it starts locking up again after a certain miner, I backtrack, and see if it mines longer on the previous miners. If that happens I can test that chain then (the fpga, usb cable, hub port, motherboard port, hub cable, and all other parts in the chain between the "triggering" FPGA and the software).
Failing that, a full OS reinstall might help. But I think that's a bit drastic.
To clarify the power outage did not affect the miner at all.
I have 3 UPSs, all 2KVA server grade UPSs in this rack. One drives my GPU miner, one drives the FPGA miner (the host server and the FPGAs themselves) and one drives my household server and network infrastructure (router, firewalls, switches, wifi and so on). When the power outage happened the one handling my household stuff failed. So I lost internet for like 5min while the power was out. The remaining gear kept running completely unaffected.
But when the internet connectivity went out, the FPGA miner locked up. After that it began "misbehaving".
Anyway, I'll keep you informed. But I expect the outage to last into tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have it resolved by then.
Thanks for your understanding and patience.
I see, thanks for clarifying. Best of luck and thank you for your dedication in pursuing this enterprise!
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Website last updated in... 2008. Looks promising!
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