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601  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 27, 2020, 09:09:54 PM
Dear MOD,

quoted to prevent deletion and for my reference link for the Trust feedback.

Please don't delete the post again.

Thank you!

You are a seriously deluded individual who should seek psychiatric help otherwise your condition will be so extreme that you may not have the chance to be treated back to normality either through medication or through rehabilitation.

Nobody cares about damaging you financially, you hold no significance in the eyes of many users here. You claiming there is a conspiracy against you is laughable but you deleting your posts as well as your unwarranted negative trusts trying to hide your sarcasm and disdain for the members of the forum is supposed to be what... competence?





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thank you Nutildah, for working this out.

I recived the negative trust from JollyGood and DarkStar_ not right from the beginning but later if I joined the DT2 list.

I guess the aim was to damage me but I don't care about it because I have no financial interest anymore here on this place.

By the whole discussion I'm more and more aware of how to make politics and follow own financial interest by the different tools of Bitcointalk in these days like the Trust system.

Take a look at the post history of some participants of this discussion and you will become quickly aware what for intentions they have had to join this place.
602  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2020, 06:51:06 PM
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603  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: November 27, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
Da ich je nach Bedarf immer wieder nachkaufe kaufe ich natürlich zum Marktpreis... was bei 40% Verlust für mich konkret bedeutet dass ich die Coins nur mit 40% Verlust als Zahlungsmittel einsetzen kann oder wieder Jahre warten muss bis sie vielleicht wieder auf meinen EK steigen.  

Wie machst du das mit der Steuer?

Wie soll ich das machen? Ich kaufe Bitcoins und nutze sie als Zahlungsmöglichkeit.
Ich realisiere keine Gewinne aus Kurssteigerungen - somit völlig irrelevant für die Steuer.

Wenn du heute bei deiner Bank Dollar kaufst mit einem Kurs von 0,8€/1$ und nächste Woche steigt der Kurs auf 0,9€/1$ und du gehst zum Amiladen um die Ecke und bezahlst dort mit deinen Dollar musst du ja auch keine Kursgewinne versteuern.

und in welcher Währung bekommst Du die Rechnung ausgestellt? in der offiziellen Weltwährung BTC vom Königreich Nakamoto?  Grin

EDIT: wie verbucht man eigentlich BTC im Rechnungswesen?

https://www.haufe.de/finance/jahresabschluss-bilanzierung/bitcoin-bilanzierung_188_480810.html

https://www.runmyaccounts.ch/2017/11/buchhaltung-mit-bitcoin
604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2020, 06:16:40 PM
In other news: Austrian Fucking gets renamed to Fugging!

Last call to go there and make that precious selfie with the village sign.

In that regard i can recommend the comedy movie "Bad Fucking" (kinda hard to find via google, but why oh why?  Huh  Grin)
It's in german.  ...wait, some austrian accent, you can compare it with what scottish is like to english.

German speakers (and listeners), enjoy  Smiley

Thanks for the hint, looks promising with some familiar faces from "Vorstadtweiber" there, ordered the DVD.
Seems like classic black Austrian humor. Looking forward to it.

https://youtu.be/I_SIRJ1sNMQ
605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2020, 06:13:03 PM
who of you guys have at least one burn out experience?

present

#metoo
606  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2020, 06:03:08 PM
Just like the movie ‘Er ist wieder da’?

https://youtu.be/rUZi67BmY_M

EDIT: it is a legal movie from Germany. Grin I suppose they love him in spite of everything or because of it?  Shocked
607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2020, 06:00:21 PM
who of you guys have at least one burn out experience?
608  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2020, 10:57:55 AM
Attempt ad 2nd bottom on the 4hr. Not out of the woods yet and it can sure still go to $15,xxx the next few weeks, but it’s an encouraging signal  Cool

please pic or it didn't happen.  Grin

But here it is: https://ibb.co/MB2x2L8


thanks, man!

It’s difficult with the forum software from a phone. Especially an iPhone where the user is considered a total idiot ...

you should ask theymos regarding the new forum software. OOH NOO, better you forget it!  Grin

I think it won't be a bad idea if someone creates a website with epochtalk and implement scrap the data that's given on bitcointalk. I.E. Bitcointalk with current posts, etc but on epochtalk (with epochtalk design) but with disabled login function. I think it won't be a bad idea cause as it seems we don't have access to beta.bitcointalk.org and won't even have in a near future (was there anything said about that by theymos?). At some point, some people may visit new beta and it will help us to get used to epochtalk version of bitcointalk
609  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2020, 10:21:58 AM
Attempt ad 2nd bottom on the 4hr. Not out of the woods yet and it can sure still go to $15,xxx the next few weeks, but it’s an encouraging signal  Cool

please pic or it didn't happen.  Grin

maybe we have reached a new well balanced accumulation zone?

take a look at the chart and imagine if this is just the beginning like it was in the past.



EDIT: from TA point of view it's a Double Top but from fundamental point of view the crowd is tricked into something.  Roll Eyes
610  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 27, 2020, 12:34:19 AM

I laughed at his comeback aimed at me but just exactly how can he tell LoyceV to "Get a life because others have the money and he did the whole work"?

... And he moved the shady business or government honeypot line too....  Roll Eyes



EDIT: Dear MOD: quoted to prevent deletion (the GIF is just for fun).
611  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2020, 12:05:33 AM
WTF...? I just switched from the 15k temp thingy to my old hat, FFS.

d_eddie, how is your trading working?
612  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 26, 2020, 09:49:05 PM
thank you Nutildah, for working this out.

I recived the negative trust from JollyGood and DarkStar_  not right from the beginning but later if I joined the DT2 list.

I guess the aim was to damage me but I don't care about it because I have no financial interest anymore here on this place.

By the whole discussion I'm more and more aware of how to make politics and follow own financial interests by the different tools of Bitcointalk in these days like the Trust system.

Take a look at the post history of some participants of this discussion and you will become quickly aware what for intentions they have had to join this place.


@csmiami: thanks for your expanded explanation
@JollyGood: thanks for removing the red trust on Gyrsur

None of this has anything to do with the negative feedback you received. Bitcointalk has never supported plagiarism.

Is that really plagiarism tho? No, its not. If it was, why shouldn't accounts that do this be banned from the forum?

"the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own."

You are wearing a ChipMixer signature -- does that mean you are attempting to pass the "work" off as your own? You are wearing it with permission from ChipMixer, I understand, but how does that make it not plagiarism? At least Gyrsur attempted to put his signature through a text spinner, lol.

Regardless, you know full well that plagiarism isn't a reasonable excuse to leave red trust. There's a much better case to be made for "theft."

If we look at precedent, other users have been (justifiably) given negative trust for stealing signature designs. Examples include Alttradex, biy, Crypto_Qv9 and Untold. I don't think I'm in the wrong in considering someone who steals signature designs to be untrustworthy. I agree that trolling is not a valid reason to leave a negative trust feedback so I've reworded the trust rating.

Lets go through these 1 by 1.

Alttradex - this guy stole a signature to promote his ICO; his intention was to profit directly from use of the signature. AFAIK, Gyrsur is not an employee of zkSNACKs Ltd., the company that performs the CoinJoins using Wasabi Wallet. He had no intention of profiting off somebody else's work. Nor did he use the signature for the purposes of a campaign.

biy - same thing, copied w/o permission in order to promote their own project

Crypto_Qv9 - same thing

Untold - this guy doesn't have any negative feedback. He has a neutral from yahoo that reads
yahoo62278    2017-10-13    Reference    copied someone else's work. Removed it once caught


Basically, I can see how what Gyrsur did was annoying, but he had no intentions of acquiring a profit from his actions, and once reprimanded, he removed his signature (even if only after putting up a fight). I don't see how this equates to trade risk.

As far as Gyrsur's actions in the last 12 hours are concerned, its apparent that he isn't DT material, which I don't think he minds so much as he doesn't have a custom trust list, and that situation has corrected itself. It's ultimately up to Gyrsur to be amenable enough to encourage DarkStar_ to "let bygones be bygones," but unfortunately things didn't transpire that way... Oh well, I tried.

Thanks JollyGood and DarkStar for chiming in.

EDIT:

I personally dislike the idea of "you can freely take any designs, edit them and use them as long as you don't intend on profiting from them without being seen as untrustworthy", but I can see your point here. IIRC Gyrsur did keep the signature for a decent amount of time before removing it, though I could be wrong. I've removed my negative trust feedback.

again a lie, I took the signature changed the text to promote a decentralize service without financial interests and soon after this tread was created. I was forced to respond to this thread like in the Kindergarten and then I changed the colors and removed the "brand" sign and only THIS signature was available for a long time. AGAIN without financial interests and without damaging others here.

EDIT2: after I was removed from DT2 there was no need anymore to give me negative Trust feedback and so also the second one removes his negative Trust feedback to become in line with the official rules.
613  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 26, 2020, 07:47:57 PM
I am very open to reconsidering my trust feedback. At the current moment, my belief is that it is correct.

and because of this my negative Trust feedback will still stay for both users until they change it to the commonly usage of the Trust system.

614  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 26, 2020, 07:30:11 PM
you see? switched on the God mode again and did follow own rules over common accepted rules.

non-trade issues results in neutral Trust feedback
trade issues results in negative Trust feedback

I just came across this issue recently after wondering why Gyrsur had -2 trust.

This is not an acceptable use of the trust system and I will be leaving him a counter-feedback until his negatives are removed.

- While trollish, his actions don't imply that he would be untrustworthy when it comes to conducting any sort of business on the forum.

- He's not wearing the signature anymore.

He's been here since 2012 and doesn't deserve to have his forum reputation tarnished in this manner.

If we look at precedent, other users have been (justifiably) given negative trust for stealing signature designs. Examples include Alttradex, biy, Crypto_Qv9 and Untold. I don't think I'm in the wrong in considering someone who steals signature designs to be untrustworthy. I agree that trolling is not a valid reason to leave a negative trust feedback so I've reworded the trust rating.
615  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 26, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
I don't know what kind of offended person tried to shit on my trust, but I immediately react to this with negative feedback for trust abusing and distrust. Another shitty stories about "shady business or government honey pot". Learn to think first, then do. Good luck.

sorry Ratimov! I have deleted my negative Trust on you.
616  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 26, 2020, 04:34:45 PM
wow, thank you! we're coming back to the source of all trouble.
If you're going to tag theymos, don't forget to tag satoshi too, he's the one who put theymos in charge

theymos also is wearing the signature? Oh my gosh!

Satoshi? theymos?

I'm confused now.  Grin

EDIT: no, theymos is NOT wearing the signature.

EDIT2: yes, I doubt you be aware of this but there were rumours that theymos could be indeed Satoshi but he did argue in the early days about some concepts and all others disagreed with him. I will search for it.
617  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 26, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
where are the official guidelines?
See:
LoyceV's guide seems reasonable.

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

wow, thank you! we're coming back to the source of all trouble.

EDIT: I suggest we should go back to the original intention for the Trust system by theymos, if you will agree? I did not trade with so much people here.
618  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 26, 2020, 04:21:21 PM
but remember you started the shooting!
Don't worry about it, I'm shooting with blanks, following my Beginners Guide (from your signature) so that negative feedback doesn't lose it's meaning. And that's why my feedback means something, while you'll be at DT2 Strength (-10) or lower if you keep abusing the Trust system. Have it your way.

so negative feedback is wrong just neutral feedback?

and did you developed the Trust system or was it theymos? where are the official guidelines?

thank you!

EDIT: with great respect but you've started in 2015?

619  Economy / Reputation / Re: Copycat Signatures: Chipmixer and Wasabi on: November 26, 2020, 04:07:39 PM
sorry, this is nothing personal but I have to do this to defend decentralization in the spirit of the early days of Bitcoin.

there is no need of centralized mixer services in these days anymore because better solutions do exist in the meantime. I have to warn the public about the possibility of  being trapped by bad actors.


EDIT:

very nice of you! this helps me to save a lot of time. let us put the Trust system ad absurdum because Bitcoin is trustless in any case.

but remember you started the shooting!  Wink

Well he certainly has been leaving some very strange feedback. I
Now I have to leave him neutral feedback for Trust abuse:
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He's not in my Trust network, but it turns out willi9974 put Gyrsur on DT2:
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Trust list for: Gyrsur (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h)
Back to index

Gyrsur's judgement is Trusted by:
1. willi9974 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. o_solo_miner (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Gyrsur's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Removed owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. DarkStar_ (Trust: +53 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (37) 1476 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. sabotag3x (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (798 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
I'll also exclude him from my Trust list, and I recommend others to do the same:
Code:
~Gyrsur
Maybe I should wait a bit, he's still on a negative feedback spree. He'll earn way more exclusions if he leaves fake negative feedback while on DT2.

@Gyrsur: if you want to tag all ChipMixer signature campaign participants, let me help you:
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557798
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=525056
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=397737
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99837
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379147
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=867786
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375981
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507856
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=405464
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=175361
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=543626
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=803757
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=886521
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155345
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901859
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=877396
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136484
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=68364
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=405889
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=109482
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164749
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154539
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=903702
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=579628
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162680
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=325061
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=465017
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84521
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85033
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1112531
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334898
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1169179
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359716
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=533583
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1188543
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2143453
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140827
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23092
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2033515
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855828
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1580039
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1827294
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1053119
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1275282
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1237156
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1424178
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1025255
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1852120
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1099980
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=921974
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2627711
620  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: N26 Konto gesperrt on: November 26, 2020, 03:46:13 PM
Hallo zusammen,

so es gibt wieder Neuigkeiten zu dem Ganzen...
Mitterweile habe ich zwei weitere Schreiben anderer Polizeipräsidien erhalten, einmal als Zeuge und einmal als Beschuldigter.

Bei der Sache als Zeuge hätte ich eben wieder die gleichen Angaben gemacht wie bei der letzten Zeugenaussagen.
Bei der Sache als Beschuldigter, hab ich langsam echt Bammel, dass ich nichts falsch mache und mich die schei*e reite.
Ich bin gerade echt wieder fix und fertig, da dieser Horror kein Ende nimmt.
War von Euch schon mal wer in einem ähnlichen Fall plötzlich beschuldigter?

Vielen Dank im Voraus!

Beste Grüße

ich würde gar nichts mehr aussagen weder als zeuge noch als beschuldigter und darauf verweisen, dass man nicht gezwungen werden kann sich selbst oder verwandte unwissentlich zu belasten.

das ist aber kein juritischer rat von mir! brauchst Du juristischen rat musst Du einen entsprechenden rechtsanwalt bemühen.

guck Dir bitte an was im fall Wirecard passiert. alle halten schön den Mund weil sie gar nicht durchblicken können ob sie sich nicht mit einer aussage unwissentlich tiefer in die Sch****e reiten.  Roll Eyes

EDIT: in einem rechtsstaat gilt die unschuldsvermutung. Du bist erstmal unschuldig bis Dir etwas nachgewiesen werden kann. und dann muss Dir erstmal vorsatz nachgewiesen werden. denn es gibt abstufungen bei der schuld. IMHO!

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuld_(Strafrecht)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafbarkeit

Hi, vielen Dank für deinen Rat.

Ich denke hald, dass es bei dem Fall wohl so sein wird, dass ich der einzige Überweisungsempfänger des infiltrierten Kontos war und ich mich jetzt deshalb als Beschuldigter veranworten muss.
Wenn ich denen jetzt sage, dass ich bereits zwei Mal als Zeuge wegen ein und derselben Sacge ausgesagt habe (bei den anderen zwei Verfahren ging vermutlich Geld an mehrere Konten), dann sollten die doch eigentlich kapieren, dass ich nicht die Person bin, die diese unauthorisierten Überweisungen an mein Konto ausgeführt hat.

Wenn ich gar keine Aussage mache, dann bestätigt sich der Verdacht gegen mich nur und die schei*e nimmt gar kein Ende mehr.

VG

ja, schwierig. ich würde einen Rechtsanwalt konsultieren um sicher zu gehen wie Du Dich verhalten sollst.
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