You freerolled this player.
Please post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused.
If it's a bonus that could be abused, you would be justified in freerolling him.
I don't understand how creating multiple accounts, and thereby directly violating of our Terms of Service, is not enough to answer your question. Creating multiple accounts voids players from benefiting from ANY bonus. Please, post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused. |
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Yooo you know what to do, I've had a few issues similar to you, but if your a long standing consistent player, dont worry, I don't know if you spoke with James, (I'm pretty sure he's the site owner) but if you'd, PM me ill give you his email, he is the one to contact.
Yes it can be annoying as shit! what your going through, but I've actually wagered like hundreds and hundreds of BTC's on that site over the course of 2 years, so im pretty sure you'll be straight.
Like i said, send me a message if you don't have James's email address, I'll give it to you, and he'll take care of it. (i think)
Thanks for your support - glad to have you as our player. I do what is fair. In this case the user clearly violated our terms of service, but he is a good customer so I did not confiscate the funds as is clearly stated in our terms of service. This issue is resolved. We determined without question on more than one fronts that this user has multiple accounts. We refunded his deposit and therefore did not 'scam' any money out of him. His funds are fully returned to him. We have been in business for three years, catering mostly to clients such as jpoker who play amounts just like he mentioned, and continue to expand on all fronts, adding new features monthly with no signs of stopping. Just to go over everything: 1. Debuni/Maruni has *all* of his original deposit back. Nothing was stolen or 'scammed' from him.2. We admitted to taking a long time resolving the issue. We did not 'magically resolve' it when the thread was created, as someone mentioned. 3. The amount of this cashout is by no means small, but neither is it in the upper end of what we process. Size has nothing to do with this conversation. Debuni/Maruni violated the terms of service and appropriate action was taken. Thanks for understanding. PLEASE post the terms of the bonus this player cleared. Why is this so difficult? If its a Bonus that could be abused, I would understand why you freerolled him. |
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You freerolled this player.
Please post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused.
If it's a bonus that could be abused, you would be justified in freerolling him.
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Dear Valued User Maruni:
After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.
Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.
The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.
Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.
We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.
I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.
We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.
Good Luck and Good Fortune,
BetCoinTM
You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs. How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted?? Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true. And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course). If we wanted to do this, then we would have 'magically solved' the problem as soon as the thread was created and avoided the red trust at all. We have a protocol that we follow and when you have so many bets, we looked at every one. We cross referenced them with the other account and came to a conclusion. No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds. Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused. It is the sitewide policy that we do not allow users with multiple accounts to take advantage of bonuses. Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused. I don't think your bonuses are something that can be "taken advantage of" because of the insane terms. |
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Dear Valued User Maruni:
After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.
Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.
The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.
Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.
We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.
I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.
We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.
Good Luck and Good Fortune,
BetCoinTM
You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs. How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted?? Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true. And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course). If we wanted to do this, then we would have 'magically solved' the problem as soon as the thread was created and avoided the red trust at all. We have a protocol that we follow and when you have so many bets, we looked at every one. We cross referenced them with the other account and came to a conclusion. No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds. Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused. |
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After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.
How many players have you freerolled like this Betcoin.tm? Any idea? Remember to count the ones who didn't cash out but still believe they would be able to if they tried. Can someone share the terms of the bonus they are accusing OP of abusing. If they are the ones I've seen, its ridiculous to accuse anyone of "abusing" them since they only reduce your equity if accepted before your first bet. |
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Estimates are around 20-40%, but this could be because of a variety of reasons. We continue to research this matter. It's been 4 months now, you weren't and aren't researching this matter, you pulled 20% out of thin air. You failed at protecting your players data. You ignored it for a while now you're telling lies. Stop lying. We certainly know your login name twitch at Betcoin, but DarkDays, what is yours? Which is why you banned me on and off and refused to pay what you owed for 6 months. Perhaps Darkdays doesn't want that to happen to him. Esp after support confirmed "if you are banned we owe you nothing" |
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Oh i get it now you haven't played above .01/.02 when you do manage to scrounge up a few cents to play so think 10k a year in rb is impossible. I have routinely gotten 400-1600 chips a week in rb. You do the math...
I believe that you believe yourself. But I know how to do math and I know what VIP level you are, that's how I know you didn't pay over $20,000 USD in rake. (and get half back from Xiao) I've pointed out several of your other false statements, what made you choose this one to try and defend? |
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Or he realizes that arguing with the mentally ill isn't productive. How are you still stuck on this months and months later? No people who actually use Xiao s service are unhappy. The only people causing trouble here are the same broke losers who cause trouble on betcoin as well. Twitchy and dark days are disgruntled because they are broke not because they have a legitimate concern. I will repeat it again ZERO actual users of this service are unhappy. Thanks to this service literally I have received 5 figures in rakeback that I otherwise wouldn't have gotten. I am very thankful to xiao for that and I think based on the complete silence from the rest of the user base there are another 400+ satisfied customers as well
If by 5 figures you mean $10,000 USD, then either you are wrong or Xiao has overpayed you significantly. You're also wrong about me being busto and ZERO players under Xiao being unhappy. |
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Some would say that the notable event is you dodging Twitchy, who is offering to pay you if the things you are saying about him are correct.
Indeed. I guess he either doesn't like money/clearing his name or he thinks he would lose. |
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Has anyone processed a withdrawal successfully in the past 72 hours? Maybe if one person had a successful withdrawal the past few days, i'd think different
I would expect them to continue processing smaller withdraws as long as they feel it would increase the chances of getting more deposits. Similar to a ponzi scheme. |
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Yeah that's not right, I don't have your username handy but I'll fix this right now. Sorry for the delay of being online, we've had Gianluca handling things for a while but we'll be back on every day now.
I find it interesting that you've not addressed withholding an 11 BTC payment for 16 days and counting. I believe these are likely both legitimate claims. @Betcoin.tm - not looking good. |
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Someone correct me if im wrong, but the chance he gets "scammed" I think is almost none. I've been playing on the site for to long to think that's possible
If this is true: I've read this scam accusation and I'm really surprised. I've worked for Betcoin.TM something like 4 months, and I've left my position almost 1 month ago.
I can tell you something in way to alert and relax you:
- They have BTC to pay you. Actually their Bankroll is approximatively to 200+ BTC.
Then the real reason for the delay is that they are waiting for more deposits. 200 BTC is nowhere near the proper size bankroll for the limits they offer, and it will be only a matter of time... |
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FFS I didn't say FJ definitely didn't scam people, I said it's not quite the scam in a classic meaning. Which is not.
I quoted exactly what you said. It wasn't that. The main issue here is that contest had no clear terms and conditions and it didn't get as much interest as FJ expected
No, the contest terms were clear enough to conclude that FortuneJack did not honor them, this is the the main issue. Those who did enter the contest should not suffer because others did not. To summarise, in my opinion, lack of clear rules should be judged more (but not entirely) in favour of participants. FJ should apologise and look to settle the matter by paying out at least according to the table, so:
4-10: 3 btc total: ~0.43 each
11-30: 3 btc total: 0.15 each
But you should give FJ right to reject very low-quality vids (if there are such at all).
Hopefully that would settle it.
I agree, and Fortune Jack had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing. They chose not to. I don't enjoy making these threads, I do it because I don't think anyone else will if I don't. Players were asking FJ whats up with the contest on April 2. They kept asking. Almost a week before making this thread, I told them if they didn't respond I would be making issue more public. If they had explained specifically why each video not getting a prize didn't qualify (and it made sense) and paid those that did .3 BTC I would never have created thread. |
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Why are you still doing this. You obviously know you're wrong, otherwise you would of accepted the challenge. You've been caught lying. You've been caught stealing. Spamming your affiliate link every day is just going to make it harder to forget. If we can get a few (or even one) impartial, objective, intelligent and trustworthy members of this forum to hear my argument that Xiao has behaved unethically and unreasonable while affiliating for an unethically run site, as well as Xiaos argument that I am nothing but a full of shit troll (or whatever else you want to call me)- I would be willing to wager 10 bitcoin (maybe more) , fully escrowed on the verdict. We could work out a % to compensate whoever we agree on for their time (before hand, regardless of the verdict).
I'm willing to put my complete faith in any of the following people and am open to any suggestions you may have.
theymos
RHaver
Gavin Andresen
dooglus
BadBear
NLNico
Mitchełł
BayAreaCoins
Tomatocage
These are some of the most trusted intelligent people in the Bitcoin world.
Full disclosure:
I have interacted with Dooglus a bit.
I have invested in RHavers (former) site, moneypot.
Exclude them if you want, I think their reputations speak for themselves.
I have one trade with BayAreaCoins
Other than that, I'm almost certain I have had no meaningful communication with anyone else on the list.
I doubt you will respond to this challenge in a reasonable manner. But If you do, I will be flexible and reasonable in working something out.
You must be mentally handicapped. No one has time for your BS. You say I stole based on Ungod's issue to which I fully explained to him what happened and his calculations were off as well. Mostly the way you reacted to him requesting screen shots.
First you tried to call him out by mentioning the name of his other bitcointalk.
Then you refused to communicate with him unless it was on the other account.
Then you ignored him when he contacted you on other account.
Then you worked something out with him privately, which likely means you were skimming from him all along and simply came up with some lame excuse for doing it and paid him back.You say I lie because I said the BBJ was active when you thought it was inactive, but I was actually correct. The BBJP became active the first week of August 2015. (Day of or after BBJP 10BTC Freeroll) They collected ~12 bitcoin (or was it 14?) prior while lying to players saying they weren't collecting anything. Those 12 BTC shouldn't be used for a freeroll or to seed the now functional jackpot, they should be returned to the players who had them taken when they had a 0% chance to win it. Ungod's issue was exclusive to him and it had to do with a security concern. You claim its a security concern, then offer to tell me privately if I promise to keep quiet. Doesn't seem like a smart way to handle an issue that should be private. More likely your story is bullshit or if it were public you would look bad.For the record, I don't have specific reason to believe that our issue necessarily translated to an everybody issue. I'd be glad to help you determine correct RB amounts if you feel personally shorted, or are speaking on behalf of someone.
One way you could help is to explain why you posted that Betcoin only pays 50% of vip rewards for WPN MTTs. Did they tell you that? Is it true? After you libeled my thread several high volume players immediately became alerted and went over their stats and here's there conclusions: It's not libel if it's true. All of your references have been kissing ass for a while now so I'm not surprised their numbers are right. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just saying that without tracking anything and you were actually skimming from them also.
Twitchy is 100% mentally retarded....100000%. I was actually concerned about the ungod situation and contacted xiao about it. He fully explained to me what happened and i will not repeat it here because it really is a security concern because so many people have tried cheating his service. And i don't kiss ass, i'm just stating the truth. Stop spamming this thread and take your crap to your own thread! When you're messing with xiao like this you're messing with all of us. He's provided such a nice service to the whole community at betcoin. It really is a great site to play at and i have no complaints besides some cs issues and the handhistory/tournament record problem. Once again for the record my rb has always been exactly on point from the moment i signed up. Was he skimming from ungod or not, yes or no? It obviously can't be that much of a security concern if he's pming so many people to give them the details. It comes down to whether he was keeping a few % for himself until he got caught, not the excuse he came up with after being called out publicly. You do realize Xiao is not doing this out of the goodness of his heart right? He's doing what's best for himself and there's nothing wrong with that but don't fall for the "I provide a service, SO CLICK MY AFFILIATE LINK AND SIGN UP" BS. How much do you think he makes off 400+ players Casino and Sports revenue? How many players would he have if he wasn't given a higher commission than any other affiliate? Do you think that's fair to them? Or do you just look at things as they relate to you directly. As for your rakeback, you either don't track it, you're lying or you play very little and never WPN mtts or cash from Nov-Dec. Even if Xiao has been paying you exactly 40 or 50% of what he's getting, you would notice discrepancies if you were tracking it properly. |
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security reviews can take up to 2 weeks (especially for amounts above 5 BTC). Your system isn't working. There's no excuse for taking up to 2 weeks regardless of the amount. Anything over 24 hours is unacceptable. At the very least, you should inform your players before they deposit that they may not get paid for weeks if they win. Why are you making your players suffer because you don't have faith in your own software though? You realize competitors are processing larger withdraws in under an hour right? Why should it take longer for amounts above 5 BTC? You're putting more effort into finding a reason a not to pay it seems.
Customers enjoy instant deposits and withdrawals, unparalleled security and incredible VIP rewards. BetCoin™ offers the widest range of bet sizes, from less than 1 tenth of a penny, to over 1 million USD per bet. I've read this scam accusation and I'm really surprised. I've worked for Betcoin.TM something like 4 months, and I've left my position almost 1 month ago.
I can tell you something in way to alert and relax you:
- They have BTC to pay you. Actually their Bankroll is approximatively to 200+ BTC. That's nowhere near big enough for the limits they offer. Hopefully you are wrong, but if you're right it would explain the delayed payments. |
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Why are you still doing this. You obviously know you're wrong, otherwise you would of accepted the challenge. You've been caught lying. You've been caught stealing. Spamming your affiliate link every day is just going to make it harder to forget. If we can get a few (or even one) impartial, objective, intelligent and trustworthy members of this forum to hear my argument that Xiao has behaved unethically and unreasonable while affiliating for an unethically run site, as well as Xiaos argument that I am nothing but a full of shit troll (or whatever else you want to call me)- I would be willing to wager 10 bitcoin (maybe more) , fully escrowed on the verdict. We could work out a % to compensate whoever we agree on for their time (before hand, regardless of the verdict).
I'm willing to put my complete faith in any of the following people and am open to any suggestions you may have.
theymos
RHaver
Gavin Andresen
dooglus
BadBear
NLNico
Mitchełł
BayAreaCoins
Tomatocage
These are some of the most trusted intelligent people in the Bitcoin world.
Full disclosure:
I have interacted with Dooglus a bit.
I have invested in RHavers (former) site, moneypot.
Exclude them if you want, I think their reputations speak for themselves.
I have one trade with BayAreaCoins
Other than that, I'm almost certain I have had no meaningful communication with anyone else on the list.
I doubt you will respond to this challenge in a reasonable manner. But If you do, I will be flexible and reasonable in working something out.
You must be mentally handicapped. No one has time for your BS. You say I stole based on Ungod's issue to which I fully explained to him what happened and his calculations were off as well. Mostly the way you reacted to him requesting screen shots.
First you tried to call him out by mentioning the name of his other bitcointalk.
Then you refused to communicate with him unless it was on the other account.
Then you ignored him when he contacted you on other account.
Then you worked something out with him privately, which likely means you were skimming from him all along and simply came up with some lame excuse for doing it and paid him back.You say I lie because I said the BBJ was active when you thought it was inactive, but I was actually correct. The BBJP became active the first week of August 2015. (Day of or after BBJP 10BTC Freeroll) They collected ~12 bitcoin (or was it 14?) prior while lying to players saying they weren't collecting anything. Those 12 BTC shouldn't be used for a freeroll or to seed the now functional jackpot, they should be returned to the players who had them taken when they had a 0% chance to win it. Ungod's issue was exclusive to him and it had to do with a security concern. You claim its a security concern, then offer to tell me privately if I promise to keep quiet. Doesn't seem like a smart way to handle an issue that should be private. More likely your story is bullshit or if it were public you would look bad.For the record, I don't have specific reason to believe that our issue necessarily translated to an everybody issue. I'd be glad to help you determine correct RB amounts if you feel personally shorted, or are speaking on behalf of someone.
One way you could help is to explain why you posted that Betcoin only pays 50% of vip rewards for WPN MTTs. Did they tell you that? Is it true? After you libeled my thread several high volume players immediately became alerted and went over their stats and here's there conclusions: It's not libel if it's true. All of your references have been kissing ass for a while now so I'm not surprised their numbers are right. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just saying that without tracking anything and you were actually skimming from them also.
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You will receive a casino bonus valued at 1.5 btc to be played in the casino. Upon completion of the bonus requirements you can withdraw the bonus, however your deposit remains free to use as you please. Thank you.
A 1.5 BTC bonus with 60x (50x?) Playthrough is not valued at 1.5 BTC Closer to .015 BTC would be reasonable. The play through requirement should be in your terms, by the way. Your second sentence doesn't make sense, but I know what you're trying to say: Unlike most sites that require you to wager with your deposit before the wagering any bonus funds, this bonus is treated as an independent bank roll that doesn't tie up your spendable balance. If you're one of the lucky <1% that clears the bonus, the balance is added to your main account. |
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