One group is trying to build a market and another group is trying to play a market.

Different leagues indeed.

Yah, coffee is best fresh.

Specifically, it is best about one week after roasting.

For that first week after roasting, the beans out-gas and the aroma/flavour is not fully developed.

You can see little pressure relief devices on gourmet coffee bags. That allows the shipper to pack the beans as soon as they are cool. Gas pressure can escape if needed and the seal remains intact to preserve the freshness.

For best results only grind as much beans as you intend to use immediately. Purists say 15 minutes is too long to let ground coffee wait.

The cheapo grinders with spinning blades are not good. You want your coffee grounds to be of even size. By the time you get even size with this grinder, it's dust! That won't espress properly or plugs up a paper filter.

A burr grinder is the way to grind coffee. Most new ones are electric powered. If you spot an old hand cranked grinder for cheap, and it's not worn out, you might grab it. People want those.

Coffee4Bitcoin is roasted in small batches and shipped out asap. The roastery is in USA and the delivery carrier is USPS.

There is a tax collector at my door!

Just a sec! I'm getting my boots on!

Ahhh - It's a Jimmy Wales song.

Jimmy wants your soul!

The current price is 2 LBS for 172 BTC

It's interesting to note how far the price has fallen from the initial offering at 400 BTC.

I just want to point out that this deflation has nothing to do with coffee commodity prices and is entirely to do with the increasing value of Bitcoin. I was just joking with a forum member about the price of c4b as an "economic indicator".

Another thing I'd like to point out about the price; I make nothing on this. This coffee is super-premium and therefore expensive because it is produced entirely by hand in the jungle under the native trees without any chemicals. It is delivered by expedited post to almost anywhere in the world. The price includes all. The shipping, handling, taxes etc.

It costs about twice as much as coffee bought from the local grocery store but is easily twice as yummy.

I'm surprised you guys aren't jumping onto this. Do I need graphics on the web page? lol

Hey Mike!

  Nice to see you drop in.

Shane

The more the merrier. Good luck!

I don't doubt that you are correct, but so am I. People have expressed a reluctance to use your site because of the need for flash.

Please add this link to the bitcoin.org/trade page

http://www.coffee4bitcoin.com/

thanks!

Some people are put off your site because of flash.

Many of us don't trust to allow flash to run.

I would like to talk with you about co-operating. I'm just about ready to start incorporating your sales data into my own pricing formula.

I'm interested in trading WMR

Shane

If your trade partner can get to a branch of your bank, he can make a cash deposit to your account.

Did you just insult me?

You are not competing with me - you don't even play in the same league.

ALL credit cards can be charged back and in card not present transactions the merchant has no avenue to arbitration.

Liqpay does what they can to prevent fraud but no system is perfect. They DO get chargebacks and they DO clawback when they can and close accounts when they cannot.

PrivatBank is not issuing the cards being charged and they do not make policy for the many card issuers in this world.

Well sure, but then those people want to pay for the purchase cards with their Visa. lol

Any soft money based on a credit card transaction can be reversed.

Liqpay does get chargebacks and they do claw back from those stealer-munkees.

You guys cause me to shake my head. This bitcoin project is designed to address the privacy and fraud problems of tele-commerce. You guys seem to want to thwart that by inviting strangers to check your credit and soliciting money with strings attached.

It's been this same old story since we started e-gold back in 98. There is one particular nationality of people who just can't seem to understand the difference between cash and credit.

OK. Enjoy!

http://www.coffee4bitcoin.com/

Commercial message

A very special coffee picked in the rain forest of Western Mexico, roasted in Arizona and shipped out by mail.

The big difference with this coffee is in the processing. These cherries never get wet, not like commercial scale operations that soak the cherries and de-pulp the beans with pressure water. These cherries are sun dried first to preserve the flavorful oils and caffeine. The pulp is then mechanically threshed off the bean.

The difference is incredible! I thought I was a coffee snob but until I tried dry processed beans, I did not know coffee from Shinola!

2 lbs. for 195 BTC to your door, no extra fees. The original offer was for 400 BTC but has changed to reflect the changing bitcoin economy.

You can have light, medium or dark roast. I urge you to not pass over the light. Most people have never tasted anything like it. It's naturally sweet and fruity. You are getting 2 bags, so try 2 different roasts if you like. A favourite of mine is light and dark blended half and half.

Dry processing costs more due to the increased labour. For me, the higher price is justified by the superior product.

The producer, a friend of mine, wants you to know that he pays his workers better than average wages, never pollutes the streams, nor cuts the forest.

I guarantee your satisfaction in good time or I'll personally refund your BTC. This is the good stuff - that crisp clear mental boost that programmers crave!

This friendly offer is brought to you by Shane Smith of Nanaimo Gold.

http://www.coffee4bitcoin.com/

Umm, at the risk of sounding like a dick - where is this cash you are talking about?

Your bank, well that's not cash - it's numbers on a screen unless you go to an ATM, Debit card? not cash - same as above. Paypal is the anti-cash - the opposite of all the good that cash is. exchange zone? - a trade forum that knows what cash is. They don't want PP anti-cash either. LR - well that's final like cash. Bitcoin is also final in that there is no reversing mechanism - refunds are only by mutual agreement.

This is cash;
http://www.nanaimo-gold.com/define_cash.php

Some years ago the infamous JP May published his May scale of money hardness;
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Kn84W9-C1lwJ:interestingsoftware.com/mayscale.html+%22may+scale%22+money+hardness&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

(note link is to google cache and may be temporary)

Now, I don't agree with some of the fine points and it does need some updating but the concept is illustrative.

Money with strings attached is not money at all - it's a promise to settle. Cash is a final settlement.

Unfortunately there is no cash slot on the computer.

Some, hopefully most, anonymous strangers' promises to settle are good, but there are those who's promises are no good.

The more liquid the trade item is, the more attractive to thieves. What is more liquid than e-currency?

People expect exchangers to work on tiny commissions and then complain when they won't risk accepting Paypal.

You want a solution? Take cash to Western Union or MoneyGram. Once the girl at the counter takes it, you have paid - a final settlement. No turning back.

Many exchangers also accept bank wires as they are final within a few days. Cheques clear in less than a week. Money orders or cash sent by mail are often faster.

What is slow is Paypal which can be stopped and reversed up to 45 days from spend. That's not cash. That's a promise only. American Express can be charged back 180 days after the spend!

You can't expect that a trader could keep trading his hard e-currency for strangers' promises. He would get robbed out of business unless he pried into his customer's lives, got to know them and charged them a hefty fee for the effort spent, and to cover the risk of when he was wrong about them. This causes delays and frustrates the people who are refused. This solution has the distasteful side effect of scammers posing as exchangers and doing ID theft.

So, soft money is harmful to privacy and invites fraud. Paypal has it's uses, but not for trading liquid intangible (or tangible) assets. Just for the same reason you can't fund a stock trading account with Paypal or a credit card, you can't buy internet money with Paypal or CC.

Those are the core issues we are trying to address with this Bitcoin project! Privacy and fraud.

I anticipate the next question - Where are the exchangers? The short answer; NOT in the USA.

All the US based exchangers were driven out or underground by the laws against on-line gambling. So ya all xenophobics might have to face that fear. ;-) The obvious place to look is Canada because of the common language and closely integrated banking and postal systems. New Zealand law is kinder to exchangers and there are some asian outfits as well. There are exchangers in England and in some of the former soviet republics.

Also understand that a LR dollar is not a US dollar. It is a separate currency, privately issued. It is value pegged to the USD but is not the same thing. You cannot put a LR dollar into a bank account and you can't put a USD into your LR account. You can trade a USD (or anything traded) for a LR dollar through a trading partner.

Put simply, bidding up prices with stolen money is easy.

The only time Paypal can work is when the receiver trusts the spender. Anonymous cash auction is not a suitable venue for a reversible payment system.

LR and Pex are not reversible so the receiver cannot be robbed by the sender. That's why there has been such a gulf between the exchange rates. That gulf will tighten up as the fraud is stopped.

If people are willing to accept soft money from their trusted friends in trade for hard money, that's their business - I hope they understand the risks, but I don't want soft money poisoning our cash auctions.

We should do all we can to get the traditional banking system out of our business. Together with exchangers and fraud-free auctions, bitcoin has the potential to bring us closer to this goal.

So, let us get to work setting up more commerce and put this behind us as a lesson learned.

:-)

I bid 455 BTC for your $100 LR

It's astonishing to see how few people understand what is going on with Paypal in our Bitcoin markets.

Hey Bitboy!

Nice work but I can't open it. You might not know this trick;

Print your work through the old Apple Laserwriter driver and capture the output to a file, use the eps extention.

That file will import into almost any vector graphics ap.

Another tip, when making logos and other drawings with very little text, convert that text to curves. It won't look any different, but it will greatly increase the chances that others can use it.

Shane