Why do you refuse to share this information with potential customers? This is vital information required to assess the profitability of the service.  Potential customers have no way of knowing whether to expect 1 Satoshi or 1000 Satoshis per Gh/s.

I'm not comfortable with that at all and most certainly will not be buying any contracts from you.

I want to know how you calculate payouts. The website mentions nothing about that. Why should I buy 1 Gh/s from you when the payout can be anything you say it is?

Where exactly is this introduction page with this vital information? I can't see it on your website and it's not in the initial post in this thread. So where exactly can this information be found?

Havelock does not run B.MINE or B.SELL, those are part of something called Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) run by twentytwenty. Havelock is just a securities exchange platform which anyone can use. It's like the New York Stock Exchange.

BDD does not sell mining or even pretend to sell mining. What BDD sells is B.EXCH which you can exchange for 1 B.MINE and 1 B.SELL. So, the number of B.MINE and B.SELL are always equal.


Look at BDD's forum thread and see how it works. Cloud mining ponzis work similar to BDD but the operators just sell "B.MINE" and keep "B.SELL" to themselves.

That review site is garbage. It completely ignores the only services that are undoubtedly legitimate - those offered by the actual ASIC manufacturers. Where is AMHash, Hashnest and KNC Cloud?

Instead of those legitimate services, you have a bunch of services that flat out refuse to do anything to prove they're not a ponzi.

I couldn't be bothered checking them all but I did check PB. You claim they have no problems with payout so far, yet the PB forum shows that people have been getting underpaid for some time now.

If you are actually trying to sell hashing power, then why do you keep taking it down instead of just leaving it up? What you are doing simply makes no sense.

The latest info on gen 4 is that samples will be in hand around Dec 16th and have the following specs:

Says the guy with affiliate links in his sig. 

Havelock is just a securities exchange platform. The only relation between them and AMHash is that AMHash is using their platform to sell contracts on. AMHash can sell their contracts wherever the want and anyone can sell whatever securities they want on Havelock as long as they meet Havelock's conditions to do so.

If anyone still does not understand, Havelock is like the New York Stock Exchange and AMHash is a stock on it.

With regards to AM's and Rockminer's role in AMHash, from the AMHash website:

Rockminer was never part of AM, it's a company created by Rockxie - an AM board member. As to Rockminer's role in AMHash, from the AMHash website:

Previous updates where telling us that there's loads of BE200 chips that need to be sold as quick as possible. AMHash even claimed the reason for poor sales was because of lack of trust in AM. Yet the truth is, promoting it in this sub-forum only was a terrible idea and so is not having contracts available for purchase permanently. They're the reasons for poor sales.

Regardless of whether you think selling hash power or self mining is better, Rockminer are being paid to sell hashing power and they've done a very poor job so far.

Regarding the 0.95 Ph/s, AMHash said they sold it in the last few days. Havelock has showed 0.64 Ph/s since AMHash2 ended weeks ago. Also, Hashie's post about still having 380 Th/s for sale was a week ago.

Yet Havelock shows 0.64 Ph/s sold.

Are you saying there will be another official announcement or are you referring to the announcement that was made earlier?

Also, the earlier announcement said:


Yet you're saying large buyers of AMHash3 will get bonus rate rate. This is even more confusing. Can someone who knows what is actually going on, inform us in plain, non-contradictory English.

It makes no sense for Rockminer (a totally separate company) to sell AMHash shares for AM without getting paid to do so. Rockminer shareholders would get no benefit from such an arrangement.

Update from AMHash


AMHash3 will be going on sale on Dec 10th. In other words, AMHash will have been unavailable to purchase for almost a month. I can't believe Rockminer are getting paid to "sell" AMHash and phasebird is getting paid to do sales and support for Prismas, they're clearly not right for those roles and AM is suffering because of that.

The problems with the Prismas and the lack of support have pretty much destroyed AM's good reputation. AMHash was supposed to be the solution to selling more hashing power yet AMHash wont even make contracts available to purchase. By the Dec 10th, new AMHash contracts will have been available to purchase for about 2 weeks since they were announced on Oct 24, that's 2 out of 6 weeks. Combined with the complete lack of promotion of AMHash, the result is that only 0.64 Ph/s out of 5 Ph/s has been sold.

Things need to change before gen 4 rolls out.

Now you're just taking the piss! Selling of new shares paused? No new shares for the next 7 days? There haven't been any new shares for sale for almost 3 weeks now! And this is supposed to be good news? Does anyone here sound happy? They just sound confused to me.

In general.

You will not make a profit from mining in that amount of time regardless of whether you're using your own miner or cloud mining.

Difficulty wouldn't decrease, it wouldn't change it all. Difficulty adjustments only occur every 2016 blocks and those blocks don't mine themselves. If there was a small amount of hashing power still online, then it would take a long time for a difficulty adjustment to occur. What you want are small drops in hashing power.