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621  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 12, 2023, 09:59:37 PM
We are already entering the ending of the match against Manchester United vs. Bayern Munich, and Munich just scored a goal. Now Manchester United doesn’t have any hope left, all they need in the match is a win. Even if they struggle to equalise, it’s of no use. Before they won’t be eliminated, they need to score two goals in the match, and they have to defend Bayern Munich from scoring more goals, which won’t be possible. Bayern Munich will never allow Manchester United to win the match. The highest that can happen between them is for them to play a draw in the match, which is of no use to Manchester United.
The match is over already, Bayern Munich defeated Man United with 1 goal. It means Man United failed to qualify for the next round in UCL, they also won't go to the plays-off round in Europa League because Man United only finished in the lowest place of group A. Since Bayern Munich played with their best lineup today, I think everyone not really surprising with the result. Man United simply has no chance to beat Bayern Munich because they have stronger players and more organized in playing. According to the stats, it is clear that Bayern Munich dominated the match, they are leading in shot attempts and ball possessions. It is a bit surprised that they play with full team, Bayern Munich didn't give the chance for the main players to take a rest in the final match of the group stage.

Anyway, Galatasaray failed to qualify for the next round, Copenhagen defeated them with 1 goal. So, Bayern Munich and Copenhagen are 2 teams that qualify for the knock-out phase from group A.

622  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 12, 2023, 09:55:53 PM
Felix performance in Barcelona cannot be say good because from 12 matches which he played Felix only able to scores 2 goals and indeed Xavi personally want to permanent his status at the end of this season because Felix looks very suitable to Xavi strategy but Laliga still has 23 matches remaining and Felix should be showing more effort to be performing well for each matches because if he unable to do that probably Xavi will change his decision and will not permanent his status and Atletico Madrid fans wouldn't accept him anymore so after this season ended the options is only two for Felix that stayed in Barcelona with permanent status or moved to other teams instead of Atletico Madrid and Barcelona have to spend a lot of money to bought him and with the current their financial status it's really hard to realized this transfer
He already played 13 matches in La Liga, he scored 2 goals and gave 2 assists. In UCL he played 5 matches, scored 3 goals and 1 assist. According to this stats, I agree that it looks not a really impressive. Even, the performance in La Liga can be categorized "unsatisfying" because there are no significant contribution from him yet. We can't conclude that he is good for Barcelona based in 1-2 matches only.

If Felix can't improve more his contribution for Barcelona, I don't think Xavi wants to spend a big money for Felix transfer fees. Barcelona management also won't considers to spend more than his market value. So, I even think it is quite doubtful if Xavi wants to pay the transfer fees more than €50m. So, it seems impossible if Atletico Madrid expects €80m from Barcelona.

623  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: December 12, 2023, 09:44:45 PM
Kalau untuk membandingkan harga di tahun depan (2024), jangan yang di harga di 2021 gan, tapi di harga tahun 2020. Karena tren bitcoin itu selalu di selaraskan dengan tahun halving. Nah di periode 2021 yang kamu sebutkan itu adalah Year+1 halving.
Betul. Kalau mau membandingkan, selaraskan waktunya. Lihat itu di tahun ke berapa baik bearish ataupun bullishnya.  Smiley

Apa yang terjadi pada bitcoin dalam 24 jam terakhir?
Beberapa analisis mengatakan bahwa sebagian besar trader yang memasang laverage long telah keluar karena menurunnya tingkat keserakahan. Selanjutnya, beberapa holder juga disebutkan keluar setelah mendapatkan indikasi penurunan cepat disaat harga bitcoin gagal menembus resistensi $45k. Ane terkejut dengan apa yang terjadi, tetapi koreksi seperti ini biasanya akan memperkuat dan menata kembali kenaikan yang lebih baik dalam jangka panjang.
Kenapa terkejut? Toh kenaikan harga BTC kemaren-kemaren bahkan sudah melebihi prediksi kita.
Harga BTC memang sudah saatnya untuk koreksi, supply di market sudah over. Sesuai dengan hukum ekonomi, kalau supply sudah berlimpah maka harga akan turun. Selain itu, perlu ada ruang untuk ancang-ancang harga bisa lebih naik lebih tinggi nantinya. Para investor juga punya waktu untuk entry lagi jika harga turun. Menurut saya ini malah menjadi hal yang menguntungkan, ada penurunan harga yang lumayan dari $44k ke $40k di saat halving semakin dekat. Kita diberi waktu untuk bisa beli di harga yang cukup murah.

624  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Berani mengambil resiko apakah salah satu tindakan menuju sukses on: December 12, 2023, 09:32:18 PM
berani mengambil resiko untuk investasi pada bitcoin artinya berani juga untuk merelakan uang kita nilainya berkurang di pasar jika harga bitcoin menurun.
Harga tidak selamanya turun, harga juga tidak selamanya naik. Harga Bitcoin tentu akan selalu berfluktuasi. Namun yang perlu dipahami adalah siklus harganya, terutama siklus market bullish dan bearishnya. BTW tidak ada isitlahnya merelakan uang karena pada dasaranya kita tidak kehilangan uang selama Bitcoinnya masih dihold (belum dijual). Jika nilai uang pada Bitcoin bisa naik atau turun, itulah seninya dalam berinvestasi Bitcoin.

karena kebanyakan orang yang pertama kali berinvestasi pada bitcoin mempunyai pemikiran bahwa ketika mereka investasi mereka bisa mendapatkan profit yang cepat dalam waktu singkat.
Mindset investasi untuk untung cepat itu jelas salah. Kalau mau untung cepat, silahkan pilih trading yang bisa TP harian atau mingguan. Kalau investasi, itu untuk hold dalam jangka waktu tertentu, tidak bisa berharap untuk untung secara intan atau segera. Biasanya orang investasi Bitcoin itu hitungan tahun, tergantung target dan waktu entry nya. Kalau patokannya siklus bearih-bullish, jika entry di tahun pertama bearish, berarti investasinya lebih kurang 3-4 tahun.

625  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 11, 2023, 10:00:05 PM
You know Manchester United does not sack coaches like Chelsea. I think the Manchester United board will give Erik Ten Hag till the January transfer window to try and improve the Manchester United squad, but if Erik Ten Hag fails to transform Manchester United football, then he will be sacked.
I also believe that Man United will give a chance for Ten Hag to end the season. Man United will consider to fire him after the season is over. Sure, Man United will let Ten Hag to improve their squad by signing new players in January transfer window. It will be the last chance for him to get new players this season, Ten Hag must try to optimize the chance. I think Ten Hag will try to strengthen Man United defense and attacking. These lines are in urgent to improve if Ten Hag wants Man United performs better.

If Ten Hag fails this season, surely he must accept the consequence. I don't think Man United will try to keep him longer, Man United must prepare another coach to replace him. But since it won't be easy to find a new coach, Man United management will give time to Ten Hag until the end of the season. Man United management seems wiser than Chelsea management.  Wink

626  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 11, 2023, 09:54:39 PM
Even if Girona cannot become champions, they can go to the UCL. For this, it will be enough to finish the league in the top 4 places. If we look at the game they played against Barcelona, ​​this squad may even qualify from the groups in the UCL. They are experiencing amazing success this year. It's a dream season for Girona. I hope there will be a change in La Liga and they finish at the top.
Yep. Girona is likely will finish this season in the top 3 of La Liga standings. They already showed us about their ability to beat any team in La Liga, including the top teams. They just defeated Barcelona yesterday, it is proven that Girona is strong enough to defend their position in the top positions of La Liga standings. It makes sense if people have a big hope with Girona after they could defeat Barcelona. I myself believe that they even will finish the season above the top 4, they will try to keep their position in the top 3. They are also possible to join the race for the title until the end of the season.

What change do you mean? We already see a change, you can see Girona is in the top of La Liga standings. But being the champion, it should be a very difficult thing because Real Madrid must be a strong competitor. They won't let Girona to get the trophy this season.

627  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 11, 2023, 09:43:51 PM
Real Betis will probably qualify from Group C. This team is in form now. They performed well against Real Madrid in the last match and managed to draw the match 1-1. A draw against Rangers will qualify them for the next round.
Real Betis will play at home against Rangers. Real Betis are strong at home despite losing the away match 1-0. I predict this match will be a 1-1 draw.
A win against Roma side Sheriff Tiraspol in Group G means they have little chance of going top of the table. Because Slavia Praha doesn't seem to lose their last match against Servette.
Real Betis should have the chance to qualify for the next round. But I'm not really sure about this because Real Betis performance looks not really in a very good form lately. In La Liga, they mostly got draw results in the last 5 matches, they only won 2 matches. However, their performance is good enough because they never got a defeat in the last 5 matches. If we analyze their matches in Europa League so far, Real Betis was defeated by Rangers in matchday 1. But it was in Rangers home, Rangers also just won with a single match. So, Rangers may be lucky in the first match of the group stage. In the upcoming match, the situation will be different. The match will be held in Real Betis home, so Real Betis will get the advantage. So, we can assume Real Betis is possible to win the match, they will try to optimize the advantage laying at their own stadium.

628  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is Bitcoin really risky as they say? on: December 11, 2023, 09:28:14 PM
Bitcoin is very risky that I'll advice anyone who have no knowledge about it first not to risk put money in it, what makes bitcoin easy for people is when they really understands it. So before you start investing in Bitcoin you have to make sure that their is an understanding of bitcoin,  going into bitcoin without any understanding is a risks that one can end up unprofitable,  understanding the market is what every  investor should be aware of.
When someone has no knowledge, it doesn't make sense that he tries to invest or trade Bitcoin. How he can do it properly if he has no knowledge? He must do it by guessing. This is absolutely the wrong way, it probably ends up with losses. Sure, everyone who wants to invest/trade in Bitcoin, must ensure that he has sufficient knowledge. We must realize that investing/trading in Bitcoin basically is a high risk due to its price volatility. It will be riskier if we have no proper knowledge. So, having knowledge and understanding it well, must be an absolute requirement before someone starts trading or investing in Bitcoin.

629  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading not for everyone! on: December 11, 2023, 09:16:57 PM
Bitcoin and crypto trading is a good activity. It is a favorite of the new generation and youth. Women also do it with great enthusiasm. Trading is a such task. Which everyone can learn. And can earn by trading. Trading is also gives fun. And this is a good positive activity.
 Many young and old have become millionaires trading on crypto. Trading here does not require a lot of capital, but it starts with a small amount of capital. Whereas in normal traditional business, the business requires a lot of capital. While crypto work can be start with very little capital, anyone can do it. And can earn well.
Sure, trading Bitcoin or altcoins is categorized as a good activity because it offers the chance to earn money if we succeed in trading. I don't know whether it is a favorite activity or not, people may have different perception about trading in a different place. In a certain place, trading can be popular activity but it can be not a familiar activity in another place. 

Well, not every person can succeed in trading. So, not all young people can become millionaires in trading. In this matter, we can't conclude that many young people can succeed and be millionaires. We must admit that there are many people who experience losses in trading as well. In reality, not everyone can earn good money from trading.

630  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 10, 2023, 09:56:16 PM
Well, with Al Hilal managing to beat Al Nassr with a big score, basically this result shows that Al Hilal is the best team this season. Because even other candidates such as Al Nassr still failed to beat Al Hilal and thus it is certainly appropriate for Al Hilal to get a trophy this season. Although, of course, there are still many matches until the end of the season, but still, with the current points gap or the current 7 point gap, basically it is still difficult for Al Nassr to take over the top position. Because yes, the only hope to thwart Al Hilal is to hope that Al Hilal will suffer consecutive defeats and yes, this factor also seems difficult to happen at this moment.
So far, Al Hilal can prove us that they are the best team in Saudi League this season. They can beat Al Nassr with 3 goals, without conceded a single goal. And they are also still unbeatable until now, they only got 2 draws. These are enough to prove that Al Hilal is the strongest team, no team in SPL can beat them.

Sure, Al Hilal deserves to win SPL trophy, they have a good squad. Al Hilal even has a super star (Neymar), sadly he got injury and must take a rest for a long time. But Al Hilal has enough quality players to win all the matches in Saudi League this season. What makes them stronger is they can play solidly, they don't rely on their top players only.

Indeed, with the current point gap, Al Hilal is superior to win the trophy. It will be difficult for any team to overtake them, specifically if they will keep the record of "unbeatable".

631  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 10, 2023, 09:46:06 PM
Joao Felix is definitely a great player and we saw that in the games we saw from this player but the fact about Joao Felix is he should leave the team unless Barcelona hires this player permanently, I think the player Xavi chose during the time he was working at Barcelona was mostly effective and to be honest Xavi didn't spend money on useless players so far.
I don't think he is a really great player because he sometimes still plays underperformance. He ever played in Chelsea, I think he didn't succeed when he was loaned in Chelsea. But since he is still young (24 years old) and he has good skills, we can expect that he has a potential to be a great player in the future. His problem is about consistency in playing. I assume he will be more consistent to play in good form as he gets more experience in the future. So, actually he deserves to sign by Barcelona. Moreover, if his play style fits with Xavi's tactics/strategies.

I really hope that Barcelona and Xavi will try to sign him from Atletico Madrid. But I guess Barcelona must pay to Atletico Madrid more than his current market price (€50m). I heard the rumor that Atletico Madrid expects to get €80m by selling Felix.

632  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Top altcoin that you won't buy anymore on: December 08, 2023, 09:13:46 PM
XRP, although I never bought it in large quantities but I see xrp is not a good coin, maybe for now it is at the top, but in the near future there will be many new projects that will replace it i don't see xrp performance as a good project in the long term.
Why do you think XRP isn't a good altcoin? XRP is in the top 5 of crypto coins, its market cap is very large. It won't be easy for other new projects to overtake XRP because the market cap is quite far from other coins. You also must hear some good news from Ripple, they are winning the case with SEC. This should be a positive thing for XRP, the optimism of the investors will increase again. We can assume the will be higher demand on XRP, then the price will keep increasing more and more. Don't you think it is a potential altcoin, right?  Undecided However, I don't force you to invest in XRP, I only want to describe that XRP is not bad altcoin.

633  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: December 08, 2023, 08:59:09 PM
Segala kemungkinan masih dapat terjadi sebelum ATH yang diprediksikan. Di bulan Desember juga masih mungkin akan terjadi koreksi lagi walau saat ini harga terus mengalami tren kenaikan.
Sekarang, saat saya post sudah $44.100 menurut grafik harian (data CoinGecko) dengan kenaikan 4.4%.

Tidak seperti biasanya, tren kenaikan Bitcoin dalam beberapa bulan akhir 2023 sangat kuat bertahan, tapi fee pengiriman masih tinggi.
Bagi yang berencana mau kirim Bitcoin dari dompet ke exchange akan merasakan tingginya fee.
Betul. Koreksi itu pasti karena selalu beriringan dengan kenaikan harga. Cuman yang kita tidak tau pasti, akan seberapa dalam koreksi harganya. Kalau melihat pola harga BTC yang cenderung kuat bertahan setelah naik di angka tertentu, sepertinya koreksi harga BTC tidak akan terlalu dalam. Setidaknya harga BTC berpotensi akan aman di atas $40k. Saat saya post ini pun harga BTC ada di kisaran $44.3xx. Artinya harga BTC cukup stabil bertahan di kisaran $42k setelah mampu melewatinya beberapa hari yang lalu.

Iya, harus diakui harga BTC akhir-akhir ini cenderung kuat bertahan setelah mampu mencapai harga yang lebih tinggi. Hype optimisme approval ETF Bitcoin oleh otoritas US dan kenaikan fee transfer BTC yang tinggi, memicu harga BTC untuk naik terus.

634  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 08, 2023, 06:55:57 PM
It's Scott McTominay again.
How on earth is Scott McTominay, Manchester United's top scorer in all matches, yet he is a defensive midfielder? Is he granted a free role, kind of play? Getting inspiration from Jude bellingham?
Most importantly, where on earth are all the other Manchester United's attacking players?
Yep. Again Scott McTominay scored goals, he became the hero for Man United in the match against Chelsea. I'm also a bit surprised with him, he is quite productive as a defensive midfielder. He scored 2 goals yesterday when no Man United attackers could score a single goal. I don't know where he got an inspiration. But I think he just tried to play more offensive because he knows no attackers to have a high chance for scoring  goals at the moment.

Well, it seems Ten hag won't feel worried again when Casemiro can't play. Duo Scott McTominay-Sofyan Amrabat look quite strong to play in the midfield line of Man United. Anyway, there is nothing wrong if Scott McTominay can be a productive midfielder, it is okay as long as he can play well to defend Man United.

635  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 08, 2023, 06:09:30 PM
Marc-André ter Stegen the goalkeeper of Barcelona is officially out and he had surgery because of his situation he was injured in this team.
He left the training camp of Germany and people were thinking he could come back after some time but now he is going to be out for 2-3 months after the surgery.
Without Ter Stegen, no doubt Barcelona defense will decrease its strength. In many seasons, Barcelona has relied on Ter Stegen as their main goalkeeper. It will be a big lose for Barcelona, the substituted goalkeeper (Iñaki Peña) isn't proven his quality as a top and experienced goalkeeper. So, it makes sense if many people feel worried about Iñaki Peña. It is very unfortunate that Ter Stegen will be absent for 2-3 months.

This match will be an easy win for Real Madrid because they are currently the strongest in Laliga and they will not want Girona to top the table putting them behind. Real Madrid has the quality than Betis and I think that it will be impossible for Betis to stop them.
Do you underestimate Real Betis? You must know if Real Betis isn't a weak team in La Liga. Moreover, they will play at home in the match against Real Madrid. Although Real Madrid has a high motivation to maintain their position in the top table, Real Betis doesn't want to get a lose at home. Real Betis also hopes to get 3 points to overtake Real Sociedad and Atletico club. 3 points can lead them to be in the top 5 of La Liga standings.


636  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 08, 2023, 05:40:48 PM
I don't think Manchester United needs an experienced striker but they need a striker who can make a lot of difference. The problem that I often see with Manchester United's center forwards is that they don't get enough support from their teammates, which has been experienced by Martial and Rasmus Højlund this season.
Experienced strikers mean the strikers who can make a difference in the match and have great ability in scoring goals. Man United have talented strikers, they are young and have potential to develop. But those strikers still have no ability in scoring goals consistently. Man United current strikers aren't productive strikers, they are too inconsistent as the top strikers of big team like Man United.

Ten Hag may need to try a strategy without a center forward and maximize wingers and attacking midfielders. Rasmus Højlund is a good striker and has a pleasing finish, but he will never shine like Haaland if he doesn't have full support.
Without CF? I think it is not a wise idea, Man United needs a CF to sharpen their attacking. CF is a player who has a special ability in scoring goals. If Ten Hag relies on the wingers and AMF for scoring goals, they won't be easy to do it. Wingers and AMF can be good players and can score goals. However, I rarely found wingers or AMF who can be a real machine goal for the team. Bellingham is a rare AMF who can score many goals.





637  Economy / Economics / Re: #HODLing is not a smooth journey on: December 07, 2023, 09:27:09 PM
There's a saying that if your goal is to hodl, genuinely buy it and then let it be. In my view, this implies not completely forgetting about the crypto you purchased but rather shifting your focus to other aspects of life. Constantly checking its value can lead to stress, and in some cases, it might even contribute to feelings of depression, particularly when the price experiences significant drops. Taking a step back and deciding to stop hodling can be a constructive move in such situations. However, adopting a strategy of buying and then allowing it to grow without constant monitoring might evoke the perception that hodling is a simpler and more manageable approach.
That's why we need to have good mentality and have good knowledge before we invest in Bitcoin. If we invest without good knowledge, we may feel depressed because we often see the huge fluctuation in Bitcoin price. But if we know how to invest in Bitcoin properly, we must already set a realistic target to keep profits. We also know when we must to sell the Bitcoin, so we don't need to check the price everyday. We also can deal with high fluctuation in Bitcoin price every time, we know it is something normal. Bitcoin has big volatility, that makes Bitcoin to have the ability to increase and decrease significantly. At least, we know when we can expect for the increase in Bitcoin value if we understand the cycles of bearish-bullish.

I'm really sure, an experienced investor won't check the price very often. Unless he wants to buy Bitcoin or sell Bitcoin, an experienced investor must rarely check the price. So, it won't make him stressed.  Grin

638  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Looking to sell a computer to raise money to invest in Bitcoin. on: December 07, 2023, 09:11:22 PM
It depends on you. If you don't use the computer, you can sell it to buy bitcoins.
But if you still use the computer for daily activities, you should not sell the computer.
You can still invest in bitcoin using $100 from your father and that is enough to invest in bitcoin using the DCA method.
But everything comes back to you because the decision is in your hands.
You're right. If it is his second computer, he can sell it for Bitcoin. But if it is the only computer he has, it doesn't make sense to sell it for Bitcoin. How he can manage their Bitcoin investment without a computer or a laptop? It is not enough to use a smartphone only, it is not a safe way.

I also think that $100 monthly for buying Bitcoin is quite good amount of money. Moreover, he is still 19 years old, it is more than enough to use for Bitcoin investment. If he gets $100 monthly, he actually have $1,200 in a year. Also, I don't think he can get the permission from his parents to sell compute, specifically if it is the only computer he has and it should be a computer given by the parents, too.

639  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 07, 2023, 08:55:08 PM
Also, about the ongoing match between Damac v Al Ittihad, I think Damac will be able to maintain the victory it has at the moment, because currently the score is 3-1.
The match has been over, there is no change in the score. Damac won with 3 goals, Al Ittihad only could score 1 goal during the match. Al Ittihad failed to get points in Damac home without Benzema. I think the absence of Benzema makes a big impact to Al Ittihad. Their attacking looks decreasing, Damac more dominated the shot attempts.

But yes, I don't understand how Al Ittihad seems to be the top team in the Saudi Pro League at the moment that is experiencing a bad decline in performance. Because previously Al Ittihad was still able to be consistent at the top of the standings because it was the defending champion too, but at this moment Al Ittihad seemed to lose all its best abilities.
There is a change in this team, it is no longer the same as in the last season. Moreover, this team can't play with the best lineup because Benzema and Jota were absent (unavailable). So, we can understand if there is a big decrease in their performance without those 2 main players. Also, it is always not easy to defend the champion status. Moreover, most SPL teams already improved their quality, SPL becomes more competitive. In this matter, the result of the match will be always hard to predict.

640  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 07, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
While we keep reminding them not to gamble if they can't afford it and they don't have money to gamble. Much better for them to simply stop and don't do anything at all because aside from losing, if they're going to have ways to gamble.
Then, it's easier to have ways not to gamble because you have no reason for it and you have no money at all. You're just going to complicate things when you ask for a loan to gamble.
Yep. If there is no safe money for gambling anymore, the best way is to stop temporarily. Why we must try to continue gambling if we use unsafe money, right? Gambling isn't a safe place to risk money, no guarantee to win the prizes. Even we tend to lose money because the chance to win is quite small, specifically for the luck-based games.

Sure, no reason for gambling if we risk ourselves, it won't be fun anymore. I think we only can gamble as long as it bring an entertainment for us. Although people must expect money from gambling, fun should be an important part in gambling. If gambling never bring the entertainment and we never feel fun during playing gambling, so why we keep gambling? It is true that we shouldn't lead ourselves into a complicated situation in gambling.

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