They said anyone who filed a complaint they will not help. So a kit is not possible if you filed.
What they said was they don't like it and don't give preferred treatment. I don't think taking my miner with missing pieces is in any way preferred treatment, more just a consolation prize if anything. Though I did give them the excellent idea of shipping with extra cage and back plane which gives them more room to sell add on boards or course they want to make it an upgrade because they've not taken enough of our money. I'll put my request in and if they honor it I will pull all my complaints, it's that simple. If the situation is resolved there I have no complaint. But if they don't honor the DIY kit then the complaint will stick. SO now I'll e-mail and see if they get back to me. |
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Did you work for the Govt as a civilian was another question they asked, but it did not allow me to check both. I only see this helping everyone because your cases will be grouped with mine.
I noted my service on the FTC complaint as well. I figured it can only help if they are going to try to mediate something. Though I'm looking at going with the DIY kit to get it quicker, get a milk crate and find a way to mount it in there, do a dual PSU set up and and run an extension cord to get the one psu in another socket on another breaker. Get a fan to pull the heated air and expel it out a window. I just need to hear back from amt on this. |
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Great idea to help shorten order queue send me a refund for order 870. Thank you. And see how positive the post is. Simple solution and benefits all  Didn't you request a refund? We don't like clients that do that, or give them preference in anyway. ;-) |
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How hefty a power supply would I need if I went this route?
Obviously I'm feeling a bit screwed by the whole deal that if I want my miner now I don't get what I paid for, have to shell out more cash to make it work and don't get any sort of compensation. That is a pretty shitty deal. At least the cost of the case and the PSU should be subtracted from the order. I don't care about the labor. Or a discount for an upgrade board since we are essentially getting shafted.
Why not send the kit, with the case and then I can use the case for whatever I want. Since it's a constraint in power supplies that are the issue.
I think the overall point should be since we paid for a full system there should be some sort of partial refund to cover the cost of the missing parts. This way we get that money to use it on said parts. This is just good customer service at this point. It can go a long way towards soothing the delays as well even if the MPP is not honored right off the bat. This is not a huge amount being asked for just enough to balance things out. How about express shipping? The weight on this is about 30lbs, expressing that is costly. What about those who already paid extra for the express shipping? How about instead of no case and psu we get 6 boards 2 cages and 2 pi's 2 back planes (since you are getting new ones in soon anyway), and the proper connecting cables. Then we have to get two small PSUs on our own anyway and we can run them as two rigs off of different sockets in the home? No. It supersedes the cost of the $200 supply and $100 case. We're looking for a 300 dollar difference here guys. Bulk psu's come in at $200 a piece. Bulk cases at $100. The value of the additional suggestion you just made would be: $640 - Asics $180 - Hashboard $32 - Heatsink $28 - Cage $42 - Main $28 - Backplane $4 - GPIO cable $12 SDcard $25-40 labor hr's $130 probable shipping cost on express saver. $1121 .vs $300 And didn't you also file a complaint us as well? We don't like clients that do that, or give them preference in anyway. What was you're complaint number? Don't have it yet, filed Friday. Besides you don't get to play the you filed a complaint game as you are the ones who are in the wrong and it was with in our full rights to do so. Had you made this sort of offer before you might have found that less complaints would have been filed. But more to the point Any and all offers you make to those who have not filed complaints ( and my guess is that is very few here) are valid to all of your customers. Ok so now that we've got numbers 200 for psu + 100 for case + 160 that I already paid for express shipping = $460 So what I would like, and lets forget the extra board. $28 - Cage- one extra $28 - Backplane- one extra $4 - GPIO cable x how many I would need (really not sure of the set up so I'll assume 1 per board so x5 $12 SDcard one extra 1 extra pi I think it's like 35 if I were to buy it not sure about you though. That bill comes to $123 and lets me run it as two units which I would prefer as it opens up more room to spread the boards out. Plus $130 for express shipping. but I already paid 1$60 so $123 for extra parts, that is under the cost of the case and PSU so $177 extra you get to keep, plus $30 since I overpaid for shipping. So $207 for you. just for my own note what was your order number?? im curious as to where you relate in the que to me. thanks I'm #1432 so you ordered just on the last day of january/ start of february just after me?? i was guarunteed march delivery i.e 29th ish of march your and my miners are approx 2 days late..... correct me if im wrong. but after checking some details i believe that was my shipping date and i was order 1428. Thats correct, though I have an e-mail from jim saying it would ship the week of the 24th. I ordered january 21st. My issues stemmed from not having a refund honored when requested before my product shipped. Which is an FTC rule. But now they are making some offers that if adjusted just slightly I'd be more than willing to take and fully and formally withdraw my complaint. |
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How hefty a power supply would I need if I went this route?
Obviously I'm feeling a bit screwed by the whole deal that if I want my miner now I don't get what I paid for, have to shell out more cash to make it work and don't get any sort of compensation. That is a pretty shitty deal. At least the cost of the case and the PSU should be subtracted from the order. I don't care about the labor. Or a discount for an upgrade board since we are essentially getting shafted.
Why not send the kit, with the case and then I can use the case for whatever I want. Since it's a constraint in power supplies that are the issue.
I think the overall point should be since we paid for a full system there should be some sort of partial refund to cover the cost of the missing parts. This way we get that money to use it on said parts. This is just good customer service at this point. It can go a long way towards soothing the delays as well even if the MPP is not honored right off the bat. This is not a huge amount being asked for just enough to balance things out. How about express shipping? The weight on this is about 30lbs, expressing that is costly. What about those who already paid extra for the express shipping? How about instead of no case and psu we get 6 boards 2 cages and 2 pi's 2 back planes (since you are getting new ones in soon anyway), and the proper connecting cables. Then we have to get two small PSUs on our own anyway and we can run them as two rigs off of different sockets in the home? No. It supersedes the cost of the $200 supply and $100 case. We're looking for a 300 dollar difference here guys. Bulk psu's come in at $200 a piece. Bulk cases at $100. The value of the additional suggestion you just made would be: $640 - Asics $180 - Hashboard $32 - Heatsink $28 - Cage $42 - Main $28 - Backplane $4 - GPIO cable $12 SDcard $25-40 labor hr's $130 probable shipping cost on express saver. $1121 .vs $300 And didn't you also file a complaint us as well? We don't like clients that do that, or give them preference in anyway. What was you're complaint number? Don't have it yet, filed Friday. Besides you don't get to play the you filed a complaint game as you are the ones who are in the wrong and it was with in our full rights to do so. Had you made this sort of offer before you might have found that less complaints would have been filed. But more to the point Any and all offers you make to those who have not filed complaints ( and my guess is that is very few here) are valid to all of your customers. Ok so now that we've got numbers 200 for psu + 100 for case + 160 that I already paid for express shipping = $460 So what I would like, and lets forget the extra board. $28 - Cage- one extra $28 - Backplane- one extra $4 - GPIO cable x how many I would need (really not sure of the set up so I'll assume 1 per board so x5 $12 SDcard one extra 1 extra pi I think it's like 35 if I were to buy it not sure about you though. That bill comes to $123 and lets me run it as two units which I would prefer as it opens up more room to spread the boards out. Plus $130 for express shipping. but I already paid 1$60 so $123 for extra parts, that is under the cost of the case and PSU so $177 extra you get to keep, plus $30 since I overpaid for shipping. So $207 for you. just for my own note what was your order number?? im curious as to where you relate in the que to me. thanks I'm #1432 |
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Essentially I'd just like to run it as two rigs split the power for the cheaper PSUs.
We know the pi can handle five boards but can it do so from two backplanes either chained or with a usb hub feeding it the info so it just read as one set up?
becuse if that is the case I'd only need the one pi and sd card.
So essentially I'd just need a second cage and backplane and wires.
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How hefty a power supply would I need if I went this route?
Obviously I'm feeling a bit screwed by the whole deal that if I want my miner now I don't get what I paid for, have to shell out more cash to make it work and don't get any sort of compensation. That is a pretty shitty deal. At least the cost of the case and the PSU should be subtracted from the order. I don't care about the labor. Or a discount for an upgrade board since we are essentially getting shafted.
Why not send the kit, with the case and then I can use the case for whatever I want. Since it's a constraint in power supplies that are the issue.
I think the overall point should be since we paid for a full system there should be some sort of partial refund to cover the cost of the missing parts. This way we get that money to use it on said parts. This is just good customer service at this point. It can go a long way towards soothing the delays as well even if the MPP is not honored right off the bat. This is not a huge amount being asked for just enough to balance things out. How about express shipping? The weight on this is about 30lbs, expressing that is costly. What about those who already paid extra for the express shipping? How about instead of no case and psu we get 6 boards 2 cages and 2 pi's 2 back planes (since you are getting new ones in soon anyway), and the proper connecting cables. Then we have to get two small PSUs on our own anyway and we can run them as two rigs off of different sockets in the home? No. It supersedes the cost of the $200 supply and $100 case. We're looking for a 300 dollar difference here guys. Bulk psu's come in at $200 a piece. Bulk cases at $100. The value of the additional suggestion you just made would be: $640 - Asics $180 - Hashboard $32 - Heatsink $28 - Cage $42 - Main $28 - Backplane $4 - GPIO cable $12 SDcard $25-40 labor hr's $130 probable shipping cost on express saver. $1121 .vs $300 And didn't you also file a complaint us as well? We don't like clients that do that, or give them preference in anyway. What was you're complaint number? Don't have it yet, filed Friday. Besides you don't get to play the you filed a complaint game as you are the ones who are in the wrong and it was with in our full rights to do so. Had you made this sort of offer before you might have found that less complaints would have been filed. But more to the point Any and all offers you make to those who have not filed complaints ( and my guess is that is very few here) are valid to all of your customers. Ok so now that we've got numbers 200 for psu + 100 for case + 160 that I already paid for express shipping = $460 So what I would like, and lets forget the extra board. $28 - Cage- one extra $28 - Backplane- one extra $4 - GPIO cable x how many I would need (really not sure of the set up so I'll assume 1 per board so x5 $12 SDcard one extra 1 extra pi I think it's like 35 if I were to buy it not sure about you though. That bill comes to $123 and lets me run it as two units which I would prefer as it opens up more room to spread the boards out. Plus $130 for express shipping. but I already paid 1$60 so $123 for extra parts, that is under the cost of the case and PSU so $177 extra you get to keep, plus $30 since I overpaid for shipping. So $207 for you. |
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How hefty a power supply would I need if I went this route?
Obviously I'm feeling a bit screwed by the whole deal that if I want my miner now I don't get what I paid for, have to shell out more cash to make it work and don't get any sort of compensation. That is a pretty shitty deal. At least the cost of the case and the PSU should be subtracted from the order. I don't care about the labor. Or a discount for an upgrade board since we are essentially getting shafted.
Why not send the kit, with the case and then I can use the case for whatever I want. Since it's a constraint in power supplies that are the issue.
I think the overall point should be since we paid for a full system there should be some sort of partial refund to cover the cost of the missing parts. This way we get that money to use it on said parts. This is just good customer service at this point. It can go a long way towards soothing the delays as well even if the MPP is not honored right off the bat. This is not a huge amount being asked for just enough to balance things out. How about express shipping? The weight on this is about 30lbs, expressing that is costly. What about those who already paid extra for the express shipping? How about instead of no case and psu we get 6 boards 2 cages and 2 pi's with SD-card which includes the operating system and user interface as well. Fans - either 8x 80mm or 2 x140mm 2 back planes (since you are getting new ones in soon anyway), and the proper connecting cables. Then we have to get two small PSUs on our own anyway and we can run them as two rigs off of different sockets in the home? |
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How hefty a power supply would I need if I went this route?
Obviously I'm feeling a bit screwed by the whole deal that if I want my miner now I don't get what I paid for, have to shell out more cash to make it work and don't get any sort of compensation. That is a pretty shitty deal. At least the cost of the case and the PSU should be subtracted from the order. I don't care about the labor. Or a discount for an upgrade board since we are essentially getting shafted.
Why not send the kit, with the case and then I can use the case for whatever I want. Since it's a constraint in power supplies that are the issue.
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Date Registered: Today at 05:45:47 PM Last Active: Today at 05:57:13 PM Hi Josh! When are you going to pay the 20 btc bounty? Usually I defend newbies.. But seriously, this is so obviously a sockpuppet they shouldn't have bothered. Keep digging, guys. You'll hit water eventually... Oh, look, saintpaul11's posts have all been deleted. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=305635;sa=showPostsBut still hobo santa lives. That should be some sort of meme. I just like the idea of a hobo santa where his toy sack is actually a bindle stuffed with AMT miners that promise december 25th delivery, but when they miss the ship date they promise you'll get it the next christmas. |
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Good god reading this thread is like wading through a pile of bullshit neck deep. But I'm short so it probably hits the rest of you at the waist.
I'm tired of the same thing quoted over and over. I'm sick of that picture of phin. Mostly because it makes the thread way longer and my scroll wheel is broke. I do have to admit I did laugh at the hobo santa comment though. But only the first of the 15 times it was posted.
I want updates, I want my legally entitled refund, or I want my miner. I would like it shipped today as this was the last day it was advertised when I ordered it. If it shows up to my house in three days from now I'll be happy to withdraw any and all complaints I've made with various agencies. But as I was told on march 12th by Jim my miner would be shipping the week of the 24th. This was this past week and I've not received any sort of tracking number. I've even volunteered to have that tracking number posted here so everyone can see it was shipped. AMT has my permission to share that information here in the forum or I will as soon as I receive a tracking number.
I do like the look of the new cage with the fans placed on there. Hopefully there will be more updates in the next few days. I've tried to be patient, but like others it's wearing very thin at this point.
I also hate to see that there have been other servicemembers and veterans, besides myself, who have been hurt in this whole situation.
Part of my reason for mining was obviously to help bring in some additional income as I'm a disabled vet. Luckily I have a good employer who pays 60% of my wages as I'm now on short term disability, through work. And I'm waiting on some stuff from the va to have a couple more of my issues service connected as they only put me at 10% for my knee (if you really want to see crooks go to your local VA clinic).
That money I spent on the miner wasn't anything that is going to put me in harms way of not paying rent or bills or the like, but I'd really at least like to make my money back so I can reinvest it into more hardware.
It's kind of a larger proof of concept so I can show the more skeptical of my friends how it works. They've expressed interest if my money can be made back plus a profit, but those chances are quickly crumbling. Well obviously profit is going to depend on BTC price so I'm hoping that will get back up to the 850 or so level here soon. We'll see now that some regulation has been put in place if the bigger investor will bite and drive up the cost. I just want to have some BTC when that time comes.
majelllen33 if you are not some sort of sock puppet (33 in your name or not) then I wish you the best on your deployment, be sure to keep safe and remember complacency kills.
Anyway I've rambled enough this post. I just want to see what I paid for showing up on my doorstep ASAP.
Hey, You have missed MOST IMPORTANT PHIN update AMT is making 25 BTC per day with your miners and still continuing with their lies!!! Yeah must have missed that one. Where was it that he said they were making 25BTC a day at? |
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Good god reading this thread is like wading through a pile of bullshit neck deep. But I'm short so it probably hits the rest of you at the waist.
I'm tired of the same thing quoted over and over. I'm sick of that picture of phin. Mostly because it makes the thread way longer and my scroll wheel is broke. I do have to admit I did laugh at the hobo santa comment though. But only the first of the 15 times it was posted.
I want updates, I want my legally entitled refund, or I want my miner. I would like it shipped today as this was the last day it was advertised when I ordered it. If it shows up to my house in three days from now I'll be happy to withdraw any and all complaints I've made with various agencies. But as I was told on march 12th by Jim my miner would be shipping the week of the 24th. This was this past week and I've not received any sort of tracking number. I've even volunteered to have that tracking number posted here so everyone can see it was shipped. AMT has my permission to share that information here in the forum or I will as soon as I receive a tracking number.
I do like the look of the new cage with the fans placed on there. Hopefully there will be more updates in the next few days. I've tried to be patient, but like others it's wearing very thin at this point.
I also hate to see that there have been other servicemembers and veterans, besides myself, who have been hurt in this whole situation.
Part of my reason for mining was obviously to help bring in some additional income as I'm a disabled vet. Luckily I have a good employer who pays 60% of my wages as I'm now on short term disability, through work. And I'm waiting on some stuff from the va to have a couple more of my issues service connected as they only put me at 10% for my knee (if you really want to see crooks go to your local VA clinic).
That money I spent on the miner wasn't anything that is going to put me in harms way of not paying rent or bills or the like, but I'd really at least like to make my money back so I can reinvest it into more hardware.
It's kind of a larger proof of concept so I can show the more skeptical of my friends how it works. They've expressed interest if my money can be made back plus a profit, but those chances are quickly crumbling. Well obviously profit is going to depend on BTC price so I'm hoping that will get back up to the 850 or so level here soon. We'll see now that some regulation has been put in place if the bigger investor will bite and drive up the cost. I just want to have some BTC when that time comes.
majelllen33 if you are not some sort of sock puppet (33 in your name or not) then I wish you the best on your deployment, be sure to keep safe and remember complacency kills.
Anyway I've rambled enough this post. I just want to see what I paid for showing up on my doorstep ASAP.
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Date Registered: Today at 05:45:47 PM Last Active: Today at 05:57:13 PM Hi Josh! When are you going to pay the 20 btc bounty? Usually I defend newbies.. But seriously, this is so obviously a sockpuppet they shouldn't have bothered. Keep digging, guys. You'll hit water eventually... But make sure you wear water wings, no one wants you to drown before you have to go to court. |
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I wonder if these accounts are AMT. And if so I wonder if this is what they meant by going on the offensive.
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Just an FYI for anyone who who doesn't know exactly what is entitled to you or under what regulation I'll post this for you. http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-ruleObviously AMT isn't aware of this, or more likely doesn't care as they've not followed many steps of this rule including the prompt return of requested refunds in one week, via us first class mail. I know my request hasn't been honored nor has many of your own, but I figured it might as well be laid out exactly how that process should look. Anyway, the government can sue them for $16,000 for each violation. So it really is in their best interest to make with the refunds. I'm sure there are competent manufactures who would love to buy the hardware they have and produce miners to sell themselves. Any way this ftc document makes for a dry but interesting read. |
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I don't care if clennell is right, all I know is that he is annoying as fuck.
Personally I hope AMT sues him. Because then at least josh will end up in the court room. ( I can't say on the stand or people start saying shit about law and order)
Then he will have to have the things he says sworn under oath.
I'm wondering if those records could be subpoenaed for any other pending court cases. I know there are a few of you out there with lawyers already.
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I don't care if clennell is right, all I know is that he is annoying as fuck.
Personally I hope AMT sues him. Because then at least josh will end up in the court room. ( I can't say on the stand or people start saying shit about law and order)
Then he will have to have the things he says sworn under oath.
I'm wondering if those records could be subpoenaed for any other pending court cases. I know there are a few of you out there with lawyers already.
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Transparency...
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Transparency...
Very good. Seriously. I applaud this new approach. Still wondering where our refund is. We don't want your miner anymore. We want a refund. Other than that, keep this up. People are cooling down, see? Because information. So what? Even if people are cooled down they have lost their money already. This is another amt trick to buy more time. Just ask for refund. Leave their precious crap with them to mine  Asking for a refund even via their "proper channels" has left me with out a response so what is the point really? You either wait it out or sue. Get your complaints in so if you have to go the route of legal action you have it taken care of for later. Because like you say you've already lost your money. You have my full and expressed permission to post my fed-ex tracking number when you ship my miner. I'm Curt Shaffer #1432. The address you'll see on the shipment is 11221 S 51st St Apt 1064 Phoenix AZ, 85044 Now you all know my address and if they post my tracking number then you'll at least know when they've shipped mine. For anyone who gets any wild ideas I suggest you take a moment and rethink them. Also I'd like the rack mount case option, if there is more room for expandability. |
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And I've now filed my IC3 and FTC complaints.
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Joshua Zipkin is a troll. The video proves he's the face of AMT.
Once again, no hard evidence of anything. Just a bunch of hearsay and more delay tactics.
As for Phin, he's officially SOLD OUT.
1. Drives 12 hours and doesn't go to the assembly plant
2. Says AMT and the miners are legit and hashing away (we dont see any of that in the video)
3. Doesn't prove much, other than his word is worth about $5000 (or the cost of a miner)
I suggest everyone file against AMT and forget about receiving their vaporware miners. Even if they can get them out the door soon, why would you want to continue supporting Joshua Zipkin/AMT?
I think we should put them out of business while recouping our investment.
yeah lets all file against them they will subsequently file for bancruptsy and or insolvency and then noone gets money fraud makes a debt non-chargeoffable. So even if they seek bankruptcy protection they are not cleared of this debt. |
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