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621  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 03:27:30 PM
You realize the 5850 you linked isn't in stock right? So... not exactly a comparison with an instock card.
My point was that you should wait for the best card you can purchase.

Not to mention you're linking ONE card that is labelled "5800". The usual run of the mill 5850 gets nowhere near 400MHash/sec, even on water that's hard. To say you can consistently get 380 out of 5850s would be a stretch.
If this is true then it changes things. I was going with hard facts I found on the web. I also get top megahash per sec out of my 5830's (320) without watercooling and it runs around 68c so I assumed it would be fairly easy to reach this mark.

The 5830s are available, and they're close to the top in terms of $/MHash, so if you're going to get a card, this would probably be it (though the power consumption is an issue of course). If you argue against getting a 5830 then you argue against getting any other card basically.
I'm not saying the 5830's aren't the top in terms of megahash per dollar but you should still pay for only the most efficient cards you can get. Why pay 130 for the same card that comes in stock at 110 every couple of days?



I don't need to do some research because I have 3x6970s, 4x5850s and 4x5830s all currently mining for me. I just "don't" read research, I based it from my experience.

Next time buy the product and post the facts based on your experience.
My question to you is why do you have 3 servers with 3 different cards? If you knew you were going invest heavily into bitcoins I would think you would pick the best card you could so you saved yourself the most money possible.

Also basing it off experience is like saying I know this works trust me. Basing it off research is like saying here are some articles that list bench marks you can figure out for yourself what the best card is.

622  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 05:41:24 AM
With that being said, obviously there's no need to compare it with 5850 since 6970 is better than a 5850.

I just noticed you said that and I don't know where you did your numbers but acording to newegg the cheepest 6970 is $335(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161356)

I checked on mining hardware comparison(https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison) the highest noted megahash for a 6970 is 423 while a 5850 on that same site is 392. A 5850 costs 161 while a 6970 is 335.
335/161 = 2.08

That means you can get two 5850's for the price of one 6970.
6970 megahash=423
5850 megahash=392*2=784
423<784

Then if you want to look at power consumption(https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsSwOT3E1XTGdGtpa1BQcmJLN2x6TG1MRmxzb29BeFE&hl=en_US&authkey=COWC8toK#gid=0)
A 6970 gets 1.472 megahash per jule while a 5850 gets 1.818.
1.472<1.818

So please do some research before you try and say statements such as that.
623  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 05:19:37 AM
If some one can supply that I would too though the highest I've ever heard any one get is around 330 megahash with a 5830.
330/130=2.538
2.538 is still less then 2.62
That's probably without latest optimizations...
In order to tie the 5850 you would need to get 340.6 megahash out of your 5830 I highly doubt some one has reached this with a 5830. If they got the full 3% which I don't think they would have 330*1.03=339.9 which is still less. There's also the possibility that this 5850 record didn't include the 3% increase.
624  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 05:00:19 AM
If some one can supply that I would too though the highest I've ever heard any one get is around 330 megahash with a 5830.
330/130=2.538
2.538 is still less then 2.62
625  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 04:48:00 AM
What I'm trying to say is this card is better than a 6970 pricewise and performancewise. With that being said, obviously there's no need to compare it with 5850 since 6970 is better than a 5850.
see above I edited my post.
626  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 04:37:10 AM
It's very easy to get 320 out of a 5830 with latest drivers, 1.5 Phoenix and 3% hack.
320/130=2.46



I was just going for simple numbers but the person below is getting 423 megahash with his 5850. 423/161=2.62
Its still a better card and I didn't even get into the lower power consumption or the megahash per total cost of server which does make it a even better card.

I win.


edit:
You shouldn't buy these. At 129 it isn't worth it because when you calculate the megahash per dollar you get 2.325. You might as well go for a 5850 in staid of that because its ratio is 2.424.

Complete BS. Two of these will eat a single 6970 alive in terms of hashing power @ lower price tag. I would get two instead of buying a single 6970. It doesn't apply to everybody though since I have dual PCI-E on my old P5E board.


You do realize I never recommended getting a 6970? The only two cards I believe are worth buying are the 5830($109) and the 5850 at the 160 mark. If you can find a card for less then retail and it beats these ratios then by all means get it but at the lowest retail price the 5850 and the 5830 are the best.
627  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 03:28:00 AM
I dont know of a place where you can buy them currently but the price on newegg is 165(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161332) it isn't unreasonable to reach 400 megahash on a 5850. 400/165=2.424.
A 5830 can reasonably produce 300 megahash.
300/130=2.307 (looks like in my original calculation I went with 129 and forgot the 99 cents)

That's the math behind those numbers. If you cant wait for good opportunities to arise you will lose money.

edit: the ratio for an amazon 5850 would be 2.482
628  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 03:06:22 AM
You shouldn't buy these. At 129 it isn't worth it because when you calculate the megahash per dollar you get 2.325. You might as well go for a 5850 in staid of that because its ratio is 2.424.
629  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Capital cost. on: July 05, 2011, 02:53:47 AM
I've just finished my first month of mining and have finally stopped buying computer stuff.

Capital                  $8,000    -    21 graphics cards running on 7 motherboards.
MHash/s                 7,000

So I paid $1.14 for each MHash/s capability.  How does that compare to others?

I may be mistaken with what your trying to show but dollar per megahash (dollar/megahash) is a bit of an awkward ratio because the lower your number the better you did. If you go with megahash per dollar (megahash/dollar) you got .875 megahash for ever dollar you put in. This ratio makes a higher number a better number which is more comprehend able.

Capital                                   987
MHash/s                               1280
Megahash per dollar               1.30
630  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: July 05, 2011, 01:59:27 AM
Not going to lie that the messiest set up I've ever seen Tongue
631  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Want to see examples of a riser setup on: July 02, 2011, 11:35:36 PM
impressive , what kind of rack is this?


Jen

He described it in the post your mining rig section.



Finally got my 4th 5830 working on this miner !  Got a great rack/shelf unit for $4.99 at target.  It was in the kitchen utilities section Smiley  Cards sit nicely on the rack with the pcie connector going through.
632  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best mining Rig for $700 on: July 02, 2011, 11:25:09 PM
try downgrading to 2.1 sdk when I tried 2.5 I dropped in megahash. Also thanks Ill try some changes. What does your gpu's run at mine are 66c Cheesy
633  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best mining Rig for $700 on: July 02, 2011, 11:12:12 PM
I haven't done the research for the 5770 but you also need to take into account the megahash per dollar spent on the server. I know when you build a rig with 4 5850's it gives you more megahash per cost of the server then a 5830 rig. Unfortunately I couldn't afford to invest enough money to get a 4x5850 rig so 5830 had to suffice.

i can get 328 with the one at newegg for 109.
whats your set up? I only get 320 megahash per 5830
634  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best mining Rig for $700 on: July 02, 2011, 09:56:09 PM
You do realise that the only reason a 5830 is good is because it costs 109. A lot of cards have a better megahash per dollar ratio then a 5830 at $140
635  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MINING RIG on: July 02, 2011, 09:49:02 PM
interesting.  this is actually good information for me 'cause I'm thinking of building a new PC for mining.  do you know how many more watts an hdd would consume?  I don't think I'd need the extra 24gb, tbh as it'd only be used for the os, drivers and phoenix.

for a 7200 rpm drive its ~10 watts
636  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MINING RIG on: July 02, 2011, 08:37:47 PM
I don't understand the fad with flash drives instead of actual hard drives. You clearly didn't do your homework.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136897
I didn't, you're right, but I was told flash drive use less electricity, no?
They do use more electricity then flash. However it will take over a year of 24/7 full usage of the drive to make up the difference of 17 dollars. Plus if you invest in the hard drive you get 24 more gigabytes.
637  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MINING RIG on: July 02, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
I was thinking about this 2 days ago and made this wishlist:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14229071

the psu's too weak, but I put it in there 'cause I went "ooh, platinum."  I'm a sucker for efficiency. Tongue  This one could power 4 cards:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152044

I don't understand the fad with flash drives instead of actual hard drives. You clearly didn't do your homework.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136897
638  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MINING RIG on: July 02, 2011, 05:46:14 PM
yes, this is not a 100% mining dedicated rig--that's why i upped the cpu and ram. Thanks for recommending the antec cases. They look great..
I found this one on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129097
lol its a great case I actually own one for my gaming rig. Keeps things super cool.
639  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MINING RIG on: July 02, 2011, 03:54:38 PM
ram is extremely overkill and so is the cpu. You may not need the thermal paste if the cpu's heat sink comes with some. Also I noticed you didn't have a case. I would recommend getting a case since you have never built a computer before. Go with antec Ive always loved their cases. You can also skimp on the dvd drive is you want just install from a usb device.

The 5830 usually takes two slots - and you want to integrate 4 on that board? Using the last slot for the fourth card would mean to obstruct a lot of ports according to the pic of that board.
I have this board and it works fine with 4 5830's
640  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Quick question about retail price drops on: July 01, 2011, 07:50:14 PM
Just "rent" your cards by taking advantage of the 15-day return policy Tongue
I'm pretty sure newegg would not be amused by this lol.
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