As I posted earlier you got to take the good things with the bad, and if you can't deal with then don't play. Its simple.
No, you dont have to just take it when a company acts unethically. You think giving away 10 chips to a bunch of forum members makes up for all the bitcoin that "unintentionally" ended up in Betcoins wallet that belongs to players? You think players should just deal with it? What a pathetic way to think. By the way, to all Betcoin cash game players, they fixed the rake. Your welcome. |
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Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures. The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!
Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do. Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters" Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin" Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall. Shilling aint cool I agree....shilling ain't cool. I mean, if one can't win straight up, then they shouldn't be in the game. I understand all the concerns with Betcoin.ag but I really believe in their service....much of the complaints are front-end stuff....they could be better in that regard, I will concede that point. I believe that the Winning Poker Network would give Betcoin.ag the boot if they did any underhanded things....Wouldn't you think? I'm watching closely though....just being silent in the thread for the moment. Shilling has nothing to do with winning in a poker game. I will make one simple point: For the last 4+ weeks Betcoin has been charging 2-5x times their advertised rake. They were made aware of this 4 weeks ago at least. As of today, they claim it's fixed and happened because of a mistake. They should refund all overcharged rake to each player.Agree or disagree? They will.Agree or disagree? I agree that if they were raking more than advertised, then they should give out some form of refund. That is VERY serious and I am genuinely concerned with that revelation....I've got Phil's Skype (WPN's President) so....if its more than just a front end bug, I'm sure it will be resolved...Phi has always been straight up....there's a lot of history there, well before bitcoin's genesis! Phil can't tell betcoin how to treat their players, WPN just provides them (some) of their tournaments. Well they could cut Betcoin off if they wanted. I think thats the direction this is going - this isn't the first time Betcoin.ag "unintentionally" ended up with 10+ bitcoin that were unintentionally taken from players. Returning the bitcoins directly to the players would be a first.I wont highjack this thread anymore and apologize. cjmoles knows all this already, i only spoke up so others in this thread would see both sides. Undisputed proof of bolded part in Betcoin.ag thread. |
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Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures. The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!
Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do. Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters" Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin" Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall. Shilling aint cool I agree....shilling ain't cool. I mean, if one can't win straight up, then they shouldn't be in the game. I understand all the concerns with Betcoin.ag but I really believe in their service....much of the complaints are front-end stuff....they could be better in that regard, I will concede that point. I believe that the Winning Poker Network would give Betcoin.ag the boot if they did any underhanded things....Wouldn't you think? I'm watching closely though....just being silent in the thread for the moment. Shilling has nothing to do with winning in a poker game. I will make one simple point: For the last 4+ weeks Betcoin has been charging 2-5x times their advertised rake. They were made aware of this 4 weeks ago at least. As of today, they claim it's fixed and happened because of a mistake. They should refund all overcharged rake to each player.Agree or disagree? They will.Agree or disagree? |
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Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures. The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!
Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do. Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters" Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin" Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall. Shilling aint cool |
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Twitchyseal
Oh wait, you banned me for exposing your lies.
Now you are too ashamed to even respond it seems.
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Just realized ftwbtc was the guy who tried to tell me Stars doesn't award fpps on tournaments if you enter via satellite. It's especially pointless to argue on the internet for people who constantly tell lies. For clarity, players receive VIP points when you use your bitcoin to buy into a satellite tournament based on the fees you pay. You do not receive VIP points on the tournament that you are entered into once you win the seat.
...and, by the way, it is what happens in every FIAT based pokerroom. So hope noone will complain about it. Could you please name one other online poker room that has this policy? Have plenty more to say on this later. ACR, Stars to name two. It only makes logical sense considering you are not paying the full fee to get into the tournament that you have satellited into. I was wondering why Betcoin even posted this because I didn't see anyone ever mention this in the thread and it would seem common sense. What are your complaints about this twitchyseal? |
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I actually came to ask about the bitcointalk tournament but I will also send a ticket because I don't see OP for the bitcointalk thread here. Will that run this weekend. Great value and good concept.
Are you still having the BitcoinTalk tournament this weekend? If so Saturday or Sunday? Is OishiMike still updating the leaderboard here? I will also ask on the forum. Thanks. Any bounties scheduled?
No response to your ticket? Almost 24 hours? Weird.... The tournament will happen this saturday at 2pm est. The leader board will continue, bounties will be announced. |
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Well the good news (I guess) is that Betcoin is still reading this thread! https://www.betcoin.ag/ring-game-rake-testers-neededI don't understand why they wouldn't at the very least pop in here and say "oh that's strange we'll look into it" or "thanks for the heads up". Or, you know, answer the question that Dooglus asked them after they said "there are no difficult questions, we'll answer anything". Odd! I was actually starting to worry since it's been 5 days with radio silence from Betcoin on here. Thankfully it looks like everything is fine and they are still active on their message board, they are just avoiding this one. I wonder why? That thread is a joke. I spread word about the rake and people were pissed about it. The only reason they made it was for a chance to hand out free tickets to the daily coin to make everyone happy and forget about the whole thing. SickMetaGame posted a few hands and confirmed 0.5 mbtc cap was working correctly. Another player confirmed. None of the hands came even close to the cap. They both got tournament tickets, Betcoin can say they investigated win win. Betcoin Jessica: There were a few tables that were adjusted directly in the code, but we want to make sure the rake is 100% accurate. Betcoin Andrew: What table is that? I am going to create a forum post and let's get some testing on the rake please. Need to make sure it is accurate after an update about 10 days ago. michigan1: yeah andrew ill help if ya make my balance look better LOL Shahista: i could help... cept my balance 0.52  SickMetaGame: looks on point SickMetaGame: Pot: 3.05. Rake 0.07 Betcoin Andrew: There were a few tables that were off after an update, creating the forum post SMG. Betcoin Andrew: You are welcome ice. It's valuable feedback that gets rewarded from time to time. We appreciate it. icecool988: do i have a ticket? wow, thanks Betcoin Andrew: Hey SMG fallenhigh:  fallenhigh: ill take a daily coin ticket StareYouDown: Betcoin Andrew is in christmas spirit today Betcoin Andrew: Very welcome ice. Get in that daily coin from us to apologize for the delay. Why would they need players to "test the rake" anyway? It's like they dont even know how to read a hand history. |
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I hope ftwbtc isn't fooling anyone here. He doesn't know darkdays screen name, it's been almost a month since the first time I told him that my last session on Betcoin was in mid October. He's also fully aware I've been banned ever since. I guess he can't come up with any way to defend betcoin that's based on reality so he just keeps making shit up. You guys are funny. All the problems you have but you still play everyday. Why not play somewhere else? Take your money elsewhere. I have had a wonderful time at Betcoin It seems he's been at this for quite some time too. November 30th he claims he sees more players than ever on Betcoin! I go to Betcoin.ag and see more people playing poker, communicating in the forum, the sportsbook, casino and the dice tournaments than ever. 270 people online right. Keep doing what you are doing guys because as this forum proves you can't please everyone. Over 6 months ago he was trying to discredit someone using the same tactics. Ah so this is about a personal issue you had with one of the chat reps? This makes even more sense to actually complain about a $0.50 cent bonus. I have played on Betcoin for awhile and I have not had a problem with my bonus and I have seen Betcoin grow averaging 300 plus players a day now. I would think there would be more complaints than one person about a $0.50 cent bonus if something was wrong. Also, as I said they should have just paid you something to end this. Betcoin hasn't done everything right, but they have worked hard and made some good strides. I chose to comment because when there is a problem, like your bad experience with a customer support rep, you are quick to comment but positive comments never make it to this thread. Anyways, good luck to you and I actually do hope you get your $0.50 cent bonus and they take care of you.
Other people have posted about the same issue but you have chosen to ignore it.
I just checked their website Betcoin.ag and it shows over 300 people online. What people do you speak of?So last week he saw 270 players which was more than ever. But last April there were 300 happy players without complaints. He also says he's been playing at Betcoin since beta. |
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How long has this been going on? So they are charging more than PStars and about triple what they say they charge? Now you may be on to something.
How about more people checking up on the rake charge and posting the hands as you did.
The earliest hand I've seen that was over charged was November 14th. The earliest Betcoin was made aware of it was November 15th or 16th. Since then multiple players have brought it to their attention. Some comments from other players on Betcoin Forum: You're right.2 weeks 3 days ago
I just checked myself and you're right, the rake is definitely wrong...they are raking way more than what the chart indicates. Wooooooah...2 weeks 3 days ago
is 100% right, just observed a 4/8 HU game where it was raked like 4+.
This chart is definitely NOT accurate regarding what is actually being raked! I'm sure Betcoin isn't doing it intentionally, but this needs to be fixed ASAP. It's definitely still not right. This screen shot is from just now. 5+ handed at .5/1 NLHE table Should be taking 2.5% with a 2 chip cap  I also saw them taking 3 chips from a 3 handed 3/6 NLHE game (should be 1 chip cap) and 3 chips from a 3 handed .5/1 PLO game (should be 1 chip cap) |
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Also don't forget about the actual rake being half of the rake of our competitors!
This would be true if Betcoin only raked what they said they would. I believe they used to rake as advertised, however for at the past several weeks at least, Betcoin has been charging significantly more rake than advertised. This was brought to their attention by multiple players in multiple ways several weeks ago. If anyone is surprised that Betcoin has chosen to do simply do nothing about it, I suggest you go back and read the last several pages of this thread. Betcoins rake schedule as well as players comments and hand historys they have ignored can be found HEREExample 1 4/8 NLHE, two players Advertised rake - 1mbtc (2.5% capped at 1mbtc) Actual rake - 5mbtc Game ID: 10232096 4/8 Maribor - 2 (Omaha)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: ungod (613.85).
Seat 2: theschrutedog (400).
Player ungod has small blind (4)
Player theschrutedog has big blind (8)
Player theschrutedog received a card.
Player theschrutedog received a card.
Player theschrutedog received a card.
Player theschrutedog received a card.
Player ungod received card: [Jd]
Player ungod received card: [7c]
Player ungod received card: [10d]
Player ungod received card: [8s]
Player ungod raises (20)
Player theschrutedog raises (64)
Player ungod calls (48)
*** FLOP ***: [4s 2c Jh]
Player theschrutedog bets (93.60)
Player ungod raises (421.20)
Player theschrutedog allin (234.40)
Uncalled bet (93.20) returned to ungod
*** TURN ***: [4s 2c Jh] [5s]
*** RIVER ***: [4s 2c Jh 5s] [9c]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 795. Rake 5
Board: [4s 2c Jh 5s 9c]
Player ungod shows: One pair of Js [Jd 7c 10d 8s]. Bets: 400. Collects: 0. Loses: 400.
*Player theschrutedog shows: Straight to 5 [10c 3s Ac 2s]. Bets: 400. Collects: 795. Wins: 395.
Game ended at: 2015/11/18 4:1:52
Example 2 .5/1 NLHE 3 players Advertised Rake - 1mbtc (2.5% capped at 1mbtc) Actual Rake - 3mbtc Game started at: 2015/11/19 13:50:26
Game ID: 10263994 0.50/1 Aarhus (Omaha HiLow)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 4: ervas (203.40).
Seat 5: btcjbtc (245.24).
Seat 6: ungod (100).
Player btcjbtc has small blind (0.50)
Player ungod has big blind (1)
Player btcjbtc received a card.
Player btcjbtc received a card.
Player btcjbtc received a card.
Player btcjbtc received a card.
Player ungod received card: [5d]
Player ungod received card: [Ah]
Player ungod received card: [Ac]
Player ungod received card: [4h]
Player ervas received a card.
Player ervas received a card.
Player ervas received a card.
Player ervas received a card.
Player ervas folds
Player btcjbtc raises (2.50)
Player ungod raises (8)
Player btcjbtc raises (24)
Player ungod raises (72)
Player btcjbtc calls (54)
*** FLOP ***: [Ad 4s Jh]
Player btcjbtc checks
Player ungod allin (19)
Player btcjbtc calls (19)
*** TURN ***: [Ad 4s Jh] [Ks]
*** RIVER ***: [Ad 4s Jh Ks] [6h]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 197. Rake 3
Board: [Ad 4s Jh Ks 6h]
Player ervas does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player btcjbtc shows: One pair of 6s [5c 6s 7d 5h] Low hand (A 4 5 6 7 ).Bets: 100. Collects: 98.50. Loses: 1.50.
*Player ungod shows: Three Of Kind of As [5d Ah Ac 4h]. Bets: 100. Collects: 98.50. Loses: 1.50.
Game ended at: 2015/11/19 13:51:17
Example 3 .5/1 NLHE, 5 players Advertised Rake - 2 mbtc (2.5% capped at 2 mbtc) Actual Rake - 6 mbtc Game started at: 2015/11/14 17:53:36
Game ID: 10143163 0.50/1 Tokyo (Hold'em)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: luismelo4 (107.34).
Seat 2: Cognative (338.25).
Seat 3: BitBandit (215.22).
Seat 4: nukemecca (168.95).
Seat 9: ungod (29.84).
Player BitBandit has small blind (0.50)
Player nukemecca has big blind (1)
Player BitBandit received a card.
Player BitBandit received a card.
Player nukemecca received a card.
Player nukemecca received a card.
Player ungod received card: [Qc]
Player ungod received card: [3c]
Player luismelo4 received a card.
Player luismelo4 received a card.
Player Cognative received a card.
Player Cognative received a card.
Player ungod folds
Player luismelo4 folds
Player Cognative raises (3)
Player BitBandit calls (2.50)
Player nukemecca raises (6)
Player Cognative calls (4)
Player BitBandit calls (4)
*** FLOP ***: [9s 3d As]
Player BitBandit checks
Player nukemecca bets (10.23)
Player Cognative calls (10.23)
Player BitBandit calls (10.23)
*** TURN ***: [9s 3d As] [4s]
Player BitBandit checks
Player nukemecca bets (33.59)
Player Cognative calls (33.59)
Player BitBandit folds
*** RIVER ***: [9s 3d As 4s] [4d]
Player nukemecca bets (57.94)
Player Cognative allin (287.43)
Player nukemecca allin (60.19)
Uncalled bet (169.30) returned to Cognative
------ Summary ------
Pot: 349.12. Rake 6. JP fee 0.01
Board: [9s 3d As 4s 4d]
Player luismelo4 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player Cognative shows: Full House (3/4) [3s 3h]. Bets: 168.95. Collects: 349.12. Wins: 180.17.
Player BitBandit does not show cards.Bets: 17.23. Collects: 0. Loses: 17.23.
Player nukemecca shows: Two pairs. As and 4s [Ac Ks]. Bets: 168.95. Collects: 0. Loses: 168.95.
Player ungod does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Game ended at: 2015/11/14 17:54:35
 Betcoin has known about this for 3 weeks, if not longer, so "honest mistake" is no longer a legitimate excuse. At this point the only ethical options I can think of would be to A - Determine exactly how much they have over-charged every player and issue refunds. (hands that were already refunded due to 100%rakeback promo obviously would not get refunded) B - If it would take an unrealistic amount of effort to determine exact numbers, they could figure out some what to get an estimate, and issue every player a refund slightly higher than the estimate along with an explanation on how the arrived at that number (and an apology) Obviously they won't do either. In response to the inevitable responses pointing out their generous table starter promotion or fast cashout times: Who cares, that doesn't give them the right to take more than they said they would. Edit: Also I'd like to add that several months ago I pointed out to Betcoin Paul that they were overcharging at Heads Up Limit tables. I was never able to confirm if it was fixed since the game ran so rarely and now I'm banned - its probably never been right though. |
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Nice...good to know. I have a few additional questions.
1) Will my HM2 or PT3 software be compatible there?
2) In you're honest opinion, is the player field soft or is everybody playing there a shark? (I'm not
particularly a "bum hunter" but hey, that's poker)
I'll visit the site and answer the rest on my questions on own....do you have an affiliate link?
Hi Cjmoles, Come check SwC out! It's true, traffic isn't the greatest sometimes, but you can play all of the mixed games, OFC, etc, which isn't available on any other sites for US players. There are a lot of friendly people there and some interesting characters as well. No one can use huds and there are plenty of casual players, so the games aren't that tough. Hope to see you there! -Naked Hey, saw you streamed two days ago (earlier post) that I missed. You should set up a weekly schedule so it's predictable. I think it would help increase your viewership as well. Nice betcoin avator Ranlo. Linked wrong qutoe  Nice way of shilling on a seals thread. Betcoin has been deemed a scam , shady site on a well known forum. I advise people against playing on the SHADY SITE BETCOIN TY. From what I can tell, betcoin is the only bitcoin poker house with a working browser client and some action. I don't know who they've scammed but it wasn't me. I much prefer seals, but unfortunately, swc doesn't work since dec 2014.... |
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Hello,
Are the trackers allowed on your poker website please?
I can confirm Hem2 and TI both work on Betcoin and WPN. I don't use it, but I believe PT works also. PT4 works also. Just have to make sure to alias your WPN sn to your Betcoin sn. |
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I still have ~ 3 dozen support tickets that date back as far as 9 months ago that are still open and unresolved and ~ 1 dozen of which have never even been replied to.
What is your login name? You can even PM us, but we are nearly 100% certain you will not provide it here or in pm because what you write simply is not true. One last time and I'll put the important part all in caps for you: Here's a polite Fuck You to Betcoin just in case they thought about making some lame ass attempt to try to help now. IT'S FAR TOO LATE. THE DAMAGE IS DONE AND IS NOW IRREPARABLE. Why is it still so difficult for you to comprehend that? I do not want your help. You lost that opportunity. Help is what was needed 8, 6, 4, 2 months ago. You refused to help for weeks and months and then on the rare occasion that you did, you were arrogant and rude, which must be your defense mechanism for being grossly incompetent, and did not help whatsoever. Thus ~ 3 dozen unresolved tickets, ~ a dozen of which that were never even replied to (ex. entry fees not returned for tourneys that everyone on Betcoin was blocked from playing for hours on many occasions due to more incompetence on Betcoin not being capable of keeping their poker client running while all other WPN skins had zero problems, no rake back or status points or only a fraction of what was owed, entry fees not returned for unregistering in tourneys, the sudden switch to not giving any rakeback or status points for any tourney sattyed into, plenty of simple questions that were always ignored for no apparent reason even when it involved players scamming Betcoin/WPN, etc.) Your days of screwing me are over and it is now my time to expose you. The huge difference is that I have morals so everything I do will be both legal and moral. Finally, of course I am not giving you my username. You think I’d actually allow you to harass me just like you harass Twitchyseal and others? Hell no. I tried my best for months to get my issues resolved to no avail. Patience and pleasantries didn’t work. So now you are getting abrupt and abrasive. I have all the proof I need and I most certainly am not going to share any of it with you. I do not want anything from you. I’m here to stick up for what is right for myself and everyone else that got screwed by you, everyone that is currently getting screwed by you and everyone that you will screw in the future. That bolded part mmmh ..... I call bullshit on the bolded part. It's obvious what's going on here. Good luck to everyone in the million dollar Sunday tournament. A bit too long for me to play in! Whats your Betcoin username then? I've asked you in the past and you haven't responded. If you call bullshit on tickets being unresolved, I've posted evidence it's true. I can't understand why either ftw or hopen seem to be able to simply look past the blatant lies of Betcoin. I'm following this thread with much interest and am not blind to Betcoin behaviour here (already posted in this thread or in dice one (not sure) my bad opinion on their behaviour about how one of them dealt with Dooglus). What I don't find transparent is stating to have lots od unanswered tickets and, at the same time, refusing to provide (also in private) your nickname to betcoin. Not blaming at you on this because you clearly argumentated your issues providing you username also (to allow them check your issues were true ones), asked for clear answers. Most of your questions looks legit ones in my eyes and, as already said, I'm much intereated in this thread because I'd like to read an answer here. Being that said I don't think I'm to blame (from you I mean) only because my experience on Betcoin has been always positive til now, I never had any serious problem with them, my withdrawal requests has always been worked correctly and quickly, they have at the moment the best bitcoin-poker offer. So you are to be respected for your opinion but the same concept is not working for me if mine is different from your? I just think it's ridiculous that right after Betcoin gets caught in another stupid and blatant lie after a lame attempt at discrediting someone , they go into ignore/spam/incoherent mode while hopen and ftwbtc continue where Betcoin left off trying to discredit the guy any way they can think of. bitcoinnoisseur sees how Betcoin has treated me, and knows that I'm probably never getting any of the money that Betcoin owes me - why would he reveal who he was? I call bullshit on the bolded part. It's obvious what's going on here. I call bullshit on the bolded part. |
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I still have ~ 3 dozen support tickets that date back as far as 9 months ago that are still open and unresolved and ~ 1 dozen of which have never even been replied to.
What is your login name? You can even PM us, but we are nearly 100% certain you will not provide it here or in pm because what you write simply is not true. One last time and I'll put the important part all in caps for you: Here's a polite Fuck You to Betcoin just in case they thought about making some lame ass attempt to try to help now. IT'S FAR TOO LATE. THE DAMAGE IS DONE AND IS NOW IRREPARABLE. Why is it still so difficult for you to comprehend that? I do not want your help. You lost that opportunity. Help is what was needed 8, 6, 4, 2 months ago. You refused to help for weeks and months and then on the rare occasion that you did, you were arrogant and rude, which must be your defense mechanism for being grossly incompetent, and did not help whatsoever. Thus ~ 3 dozen unresolved tickets, ~ a dozen of which that were never even replied to (ex. entry fees not returned for tourneys that everyone on Betcoin was blocked from playing for hours on many occasions due to more incompetence on Betcoin not being capable of keeping their poker client running while all other WPN skins had zero problems, no rake back or status points or only a fraction of what was owed, entry fees not returned for unregistering in tourneys, the sudden switch to not giving any rakeback or status points for any tourney sattyed into, plenty of simple questions that were always ignored for no apparent reason even when it involved players scamming Betcoin/WPN, etc.) Your days of screwing me are over and it is now my time to expose you. The huge difference is that I have morals so everything I do will be both legal and moral. Finally, of course I am not giving you my username. You think I’d actually allow you to harass me just like you harass Twitchyseal and others? Hell no. I tried my best for months to get my issues resolved to no avail. Patience and pleasantries didn’t work. So now you are getting abrupt and abrasive. I have all the proof I need and I most certainly am not going to share any of it with you. I do not want anything from you. I’m here to stick up for what is right for myself and everyone else that got screwed by you, everyone that is currently getting screwed by you and everyone that you will screw in the future. That bolded part mmmh ..... I call bullshit on the bolded part. It's obvious what's going on here. Good luck to everyone in the million dollar Sunday tournament. A bit too long for me to play in! Whats your Betcoin username then? I've asked you in the past and you haven't responded. If you call bullshit on tickets being unresolved, I've posted evidence it's true. I can't understand why either ftw or hopen seem to be able to simply look past the blatant lies of Betcoin. |
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That reminds us as they have been asking for an api feed for a little while now so as to not estimate the numbers and we definitely need to get this to them. Thank you. We remember when we asked to be included on Poker Scout not too long ago when we finally had 24 hour ring action and we were told that our numbers were included in the WPN, then they got a chance to experience Betcoin Poker and included us separately. This is why you don't see AmericasCardroom and Blackchip separately, but should see Full10Poker and a few other partners. We will reach out to them.
Estimates seem a bit high. Even with the weekly BitcoinTalk tournament you've been spamming over and over there are barely 30 players online (many of which are just bum hunting at empty HU tables) and its a Saturday afternoon in December!  So now that you've decided to acknowledge my existence again, would you mind responding to the question I keep asking? Pretty Please? Or maybe just one of darkdays questions if its too much to ask? |
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We continue to experience very good growth in this industry and we are continuing to work on some remarkable improvements at Betcoin. Fortunately, people enjoy experiencing opportunities for themselves and when they do experience Betcoin they stay at Betcoin.
For anyone interested in reality check out http://www.pokerscout.com/Scroll down to the bottom...   |
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I still have ~ 3 dozen support tickets that date back as far as 9 months ago that are still open and unresolved and ~ 1 dozen of which have never even been replied to.
What is your login name? You can even PM us, but we are nearly 100% certain you will not provide it here or in pm because what you write simply is not true. Perhaps he doesn't want to be treated the way you treated me? In any case, if you are looking for unresolved tickets - I have a couple for you! (there are several more, but since you disabled my account - I can't access them)   Here's another I have just the text for (add 50 days to each "x" days ago): OHYEAH on September 1st, 2015 Hi, I’ve been tracking my buyins pretty closely throughout last month, and I’m pretty sure that I’m not being credited any Status or Betcoin points for WPN tournaments. I seem to be getting credited for cash games and betcoin tournaments very precisely, but 0 for anything on WPN both before and after the update. I can’t get exact values because all of my casino play I don’t have tracked. Before I put any more effort into it, could you let me know if I should be getting credit? And if so, can you easily calculate how much I’m missing? I can’t get exact values to prove I never got credit for any because all of my casino play I don’t have tracked, but I think it’s likely. If that is a tedious process for you, I could probably figure it out in about 15-20 minutes as I have every hand and tournament summary Ive played in my pokertracker database. I believe I would be Gold VIP at this point if the points were being credited properly. Thanks! COMMENTS 11 Comments OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: I know you guys are busy,1 month 1 week ago I know you guys are busy, bumping so this doesnt get forgotten. 0 reply Betcoin William's picture Betcoin William: OHYEAH, we have confirmed1 month 1 week ago OHYEAH, we have confirmed that your getting points for the tournaments you play and your account is accurate. Let's both watch it daily and then report back on Tuesday and we will be able to show you the accuracy in detail. Perhaps you should list out your tournaments and buyins with a screenshot and then put the data into this ticket on Tuesday. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Thanks for looking into this,1 month 1 week ago Thanks for looking into this, I will definitely take a much closer look. Quick question to make it easier for me though. Are WPN tournament status/betcoin points programmed to update daily between 6 and 7am EST (along with the points from rake at cash games)? Or are the updated sporatically throughout the day ? 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Hi,1 week 2 days ago Hi, I was very busy for the last few weeks, and this has taken a lot of effort for me to go through all the logs and decipher the status point payments, something thats very tedious and easy to put off. I am absolutely certain that i have not received well over half of the status points and rake back I should have at least as far back as July - likely since I first started. If need be, I will put together, a detailed report to show without a doubt I am not being paid - that would take me a lot of time though due to the lack of Betcoin -> WPN Tournament Records. I am mostly not getting paid for the bigger buyin events. I havent received any status points or rakeback on a single $215 or $530 mtt since July, for those tournaments alone, I paid almost $300 in rake! So just on those 14 tournaments, I was shorted about 6000 status points and around 400 chips in rake back. I believe I can prove that in total I have been shorted much much more than those figures, but calculating the vip level value is tricky. Anyway just wanted to throw all this out there and hopefully work something out that doesn't involve many hours of crunching numbers in excel and gathering screen shots. 0 reply Betcoin Andrew's picture Betcoin Andrew: We welcome you to crunch1 week 2 days ago We welcome you to crunch numbers because we are absolutely certain your VIP numbers are correct. The payouts are done when the tournament finishes and not on the day it starts you should note and tickets do not count towards it. What day in particular are you referring to so that I can show you that it is working properly. There have been a few players that come in here making these claims and then we take the time to show them very clearly that everything is accurate. We have many players that play regularly now and if it wasn't accurate, you would hear from them all. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Wait a minute, you're telling1 week 2 days ago Wait a minute, you're telling me nobody is receiving VIP benefits for tournaments they entered via satellite? Is this intentional, or a programming oversite? This is a very big deal, you're effectively reducing the value of every satellite by several %, on a site with an aggressive/necessary satellite schedule. I hope this was just an over site in programming and not something Betcoin is going to attempt to defend. I dont want this to be a big deal, but we have to work something out for the past and future to make things right. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: I satellite into every $109+1 week 2 days ago I satellite into every $109+ tourney I play and often $50+ as well, sometimes a few times, so at least we cleared up we've figured out one issue. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: I have confirmed that 5dimes,1 week 1 day ago I have confirmed that 5dimes, ACR and BCP all payout rakeback / loyalty rewards the same whether you are entered through a satellite or buyin directly. I havent confirmed it, but I think it's extremely likely that betcoin is the only site on the WPN network that considers tournaments entered through a satellite any differently than bought in with cash. I've been playing online since 2003 and do not know of any other site that has ever had this policy. I've been here since March. Just since July I know this has cost me well over 9800 in status points, and $125 in rakeback by simply estimating how many $109, $215 and $530 tournaments I've played in that period. Those figures dont include all the $55 and $60 tournaments or from March-June or the compound value loss by being a lower VIP for longer. Please let me know how you guys feel. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Tourneys entered via satellite dont receive RB or Points1 week 8 hours ago I know you guys are busy, but I'd appreciate even a short answer as to whether or not this is a mistake you'd like to fix or a decision you stand by. Even if satellites aren't counted, I'm still missing a LOT of rakeback. - 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: final bump6 days 14 hours ago final bump 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Will you please answer? 3 days 13 hours ago Will you please answer? |
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