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6481  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag - Friday 10 mbtc Ring Game & Daily Coin Giveaway! on: December 12, 2015, 03:22:31 AM
Great job fixing your rake Betcoin, I hope you don't think giving away Bitcoin in threads like this makes it ok for you to keep what you "unintentionally" took from players over the past 4 weeks or longer.

In other news: you still haven't made things right from several other instances in which you "unintentionally took" 10+ BTC each  via the BBJP or from colluders or by under paying rakeback from WPN MTTs...the list goes on...

There has been proof presented for each of these accusations which remains undisputed.  



http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore
6482  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 12, 2015, 02:53:03 AM
As I  posted earlier you got to take the good things with the bad, and  if you can't deal with then don't play. Its simple.

No, you dont have to just take it when a company acts unethically. 

You think giving away 10 chips to a bunch of forum members makes up  for all the bitcoin that "unintentionally" ended up in Betcoins wallet that belongs to players?

You think players should just deal with it?

What a pathetic way to think.

By the way, to all Betcoin cash game players, they fixed the rake.  Your welcome.
6483  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetCoin.TM Bitcoin Casino | Poker | Slots | Sports | Live Dealers | And More! on: December 12, 2015, 01:09:46 AM
Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do.

Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters"

Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin"

Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall.

Shilling aint cool

I agree....shilling ain't cool.  I mean, if one can't win straight up, then they shouldn't be in the game.  I understand all the concerns with Betcoin.ag but I really believe in their service....much of the complaints are front-end stuff....they could be better in that regard, I will concede that point.  I believe that the Winning Poker Network would give Betcoin.ag the boot if they did any underhanded things....Wouldn't you think?  I'm watching closely though....just being silent in the thread for the moment.

Shilling has nothing to do with winning in a poker game.

I will make one simple point:

For the last 4+ weeks Betcoin has been charging 2-5x times their advertised rake.

They were made aware of this 4 weeks ago at least.

As of today, they claim it's fixed and happened because of a mistake.

They should refund all overcharged rake to each player.

Agree or disagree?

They will.

Agree or disagree?



I agree that if they were raking more than advertised, then they should give out some form of refund.  That is VERY serious and I am genuinely concerned with that revelation....I've got Phil's Skype (WPN's President) so....if its more than just a front end bug, I'm sure it will be resolved...Phi has always been straight up....there's a lot of history there, well before bitcoin's genesis!

Phil can't tell betcoin how to treat their players, WPN just provides them (some) of their tournaments. 

Well they could cut Betcoin off if they wanted.  I think thats the direction this is going - this isn't the first time Betcoin.ag "unintentionally" ended up with 10+ bitcoin that were unintentionally taken from players.  Returning the bitcoins directly to the players would be a first.

I wont highjack this thread anymore and apologize.  cjmoles knows all this already, i only spoke up so others in this thread would see both sides.  Undisputed proof of bolded part in Betcoin.ag thread.
6484  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetCoin.TM Bitcoin Casino | Poker | Slots | Sports | Live Dealers | And More! on: December 12, 2015, 12:37:34 AM
Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do.

Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters"

Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin"

Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall.

Shilling aint cool

I agree....shilling ain't cool.  I mean, if one can't win straight up, then they shouldn't be in the game.  I understand all the concerns with Betcoin.ag but I really believe in their service....much of the complaints are front-end stuff....they could be better in that regard, I will concede that point.  I believe that the Winning Poker Network would give Betcoin.ag the boot if they did any underhanded things....Wouldn't you think?  I'm watching closely though....just being silent in the thread for the moment.

Shilling has nothing to do with winning in a poker game.

I will make one simple point:

For the last 4+ weeks Betcoin has been charging 2-5x times their advertised rake.

They were made aware of this 4 weeks ago at least.

As of today, they claim it's fixed and happened because of a mistake.

They should refund all overcharged rake to each player.

Agree or disagree?

They will.

Agree or disagree?

6485  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 12, 2015, 12:18:27 AM
Well betcoin came back, still ignoring all the questions theyve offered to answer in this thread - decided to make a new one giving away bitcoin instead. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1284773.msg13220150#msg13220150
6486  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetCoin.TM Bitcoin Casino | Poker | Slots | Sports | Live Dealers | And More! on: December 12, 2015, 12:10:51 AM
Well, I don't know how these guys are getting away with being impostures.  The real Betcoin would never deny your withdrawals....The real Betcoin is pretty straight up regardless of what some of the anti-shills argue in their thread....I've been playing on the WPN for around 10 years now so I know a few things or two!

Betcoin.ag is scum, they banned me for for no reason other than refusing to ignore the scummy things they do.

Betcoin.tm I don't know much about but theyve been around a while, and are not "imposters"

Nobody owns "Betcoin" just like "Bitcoin"

Betcoin.ag may be good about fast withdraws, but that doesnt make them not scummy overall.

Shilling aint cool
6487  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag - Friday 10 mbtc Ring Game & Daily Coin Giveaway! on: December 12, 2015, 12:08:15 AM
Twitchyseal

Oh wait, you banned me for exposing your lies.

Now you are too ashamed to even respond it seems.

6488  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-4,260 BTC GTD Tourney-Oct. 11-Whitelime Wins 470 BTC on: December 11, 2015, 01:59:33 AM
Just realized ftwbtc was the guy who tried to tell me Stars doesn't award fpps on tournaments if you enter via satellite.

It's especially pointless to argue on the internet for people who constantly tell lies.



For clarity, players receive VIP points when you use your bitcoin to buy into a satellite tournament based on the fees you pay. You do not receive VIP points on the tournament that you are entered into once you win the seat.

...and, by the way, it is what happens in every FIAT based pokerroom.

So hope noone will complain about it.

Could you please name one other online poker room that has this policy?

Have plenty more to say on this later.

ACR, Stars to name two.  It only makes logical sense considering you are not paying the full fee to get into the tournament that you have satellited into.  I was wondering why Betcoin even posted this because I didn't see anyone ever mention this in the thread and it would seem common sense.  What are your complaints about this twitchyseal?
6489  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 10, 2015, 10:28:14 PM
I actually came to ask about the bitcointalk tournament but I will also send a ticket because I don't see OP for the bitcointalk thread here.  Will that run this weekend.  Great value and good concept.

Are you still having the BitcoinTalk tournament this weekend?  If so Saturday or Sunday?  Is OishiMike still updating the leaderboard here?  I will also ask on the forum.  Thanks.  Any bounties scheduled?

No response to your ticket?  Almost 24 hours?  Weird....

The tournament will happen this saturday at 2pm est.  The leader board will continue, bounties will be announced.
6490  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 10, 2015, 08:56:46 PM
Well the good news (I guess) is that Betcoin is still reading this thread!

https://www.betcoin.ag/ring-game-rake-testers-needed

I don't understand why they wouldn't at the very least pop in here and say "oh that's strange we'll look into it" or "thanks for the heads up".  Or, you know, answer the question that Dooglus asked them after they said "there are no difficult questions, we'll answer anything".  Odd!  I was actually starting to worry since it's been 5 days with radio silence from Betcoin on here.  Thankfully it looks like everything is fine and they are still active on their message board, they are just avoiding this one.  I wonder why?

That thread is a joke.  

I spread word about the rake and people were pissed about it.

The only reason they made it was for a chance to hand out free tickets to the daily coin to make everyone happy and forget about the whole thing.

SickMetaGame posted a few hands and confirmed 0.5 mbtc cap was working correctly.  Another player confirmed.

None of the hands came even close to the cap.

They both got tournament tickets, Betcoin can say they investigated win win.

Quote
Betcoin Jessica: There were a few tables that were adjusted directly in the code, but we want to make sure the rake is 100% accurate.
Betcoin Andrew: What table is that? I am going to create a forum post and let's get some testing on the rake please. Need to make sure it is accurate after an update about 10 days ago.
michigan1: yeah andrew ill help if ya make my balance look better LOL
Shahista: i could help... cept my balance 0.52 Cheesy
SickMetaGame: looks on point
SickMetaGame: Pot: 3.05. Rake 0.07
Betcoin Andrew: There were a few tables that were off after an update, creating the forum post SMG.
Betcoin Andrew: You are welcome ice. It's valuable feedback that gets rewarded from time to time. We appreciate it.
icecool988: do i have a ticket? wow, thanks
Betcoin Andrew: Hey SMG
fallenhigh: Smiley
fallenhigh: ill take a daily coin ticket
StareYouDown: Betcoin Andrew is in christmas spirit today Smiley
Betcoin Andrew: Very welcome ice. Get in that daily coin from us to apologize for the delay.

Why would they need players to "test the rake" anyway? It's like they dont even know how to read a hand history.
6491  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 10, 2015, 08:40:52 PM


I hope ftwbtc isn't fooling anyone here.

He doesn't know darkdays screen name, it's been almost a month since the first time I told him that my last session on Betcoin was in mid October.  He's also fully aware I've been banned ever since. 

I guess he can't come up with any way to defend betcoin that's based on reality so he just keeps making shit up.

You guys are funny.  All the problems you have but you still play everyday.

Quote
Why not play somewhere else?

Quote
Take your money elsewhere.  I have had a wonderful time at Betcoin



It seems he's been at this for quite some time too.

November 30th he claims he sees more players than ever on Betcoin! 

I go to Betcoin.ag and see more people playing poker, communicating in the forum, the sportsbook, casino and the dice tournaments than ever.  270 people online right.  Keep doing what you are doing guys because as this forum proves you can't please everyone. 


Over 6 months ago he was trying to discredit someone using the same tactics. 

Ah so this is about a personal issue you had with one of the chat reps?  This makes even more sense to actually complain about a $0.50 cent bonus.  I have played on Betcoin for awhile and I have not had a problem with my bonus and I have seen Betcoin grow averaging 300 plus players a day now.  I would think there would be more complaints than one person about a $0.50 cent bonus if something was wrong.  Also, as I said they should have just paid you something to end this.  Betcoin hasn't done everything right, but they have worked hard and made some good strides.  I chose to comment because when there is a problem, like your bad experience with a customer support rep, you are quick to comment but positive comments never make it to this thread.  Anyways, good luck to you and I actually do hope you get your $0.50 cent bonus and they take care of you. 

Other people have posted about the same issue but you have chosen to ignore  it.

I just checked their website Betcoin.ag and it shows over 300 people online.  What people do you speak of?



So last week he saw 270 players which was more than ever.

But last April there were 300 happy players without complaints.

He also says he's been playing at Betcoin since beta.
6492  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: December 09, 2015, 11:46:50 PM
2) It was reported 4 days ago to Betcoin Poker that they are raking amounts far beyond what the site claims is supposed to be raked.
No response 4 days later, despite screen shot proof of this;

Actually its been a least 4 weeks and 1 day since theyve known about this.

Comments will probably be deleted soon from these:


https://www.betcoin.ag/support/what-your-table-rake#comment-43619

https://www.betcoin.ag/comment/46362#comment-46362

Working on organizing all the scummy things I can prove Betcoin has done. 


6493  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 09, 2015, 06:53:29 AM
How long has this been going on? So they are charging more than PStars and about triple what they say they charge? Now you may be on to something.
How about more people checking up on the rake charge and posting the  hands as you did.

The earliest hand I've seen that was over charged was November 14th.

The earliest Betcoin was made aware of it was November 15th or 16th.

Since then multiple players have brought it to their attention.

Some comments from other players on Betcoin Forum:

Quote
You're right.2 weeks 3 days ago
I just checked myself and you're right, the rake is definitely wrong...they are raking way more than what the chart indicates.
Quote
Wooooooah...2 weeks 3 days ago
is 100% right, just observed a 4/8 HU game where it was raked like 4+.

This chart is definitely NOT accurate regarding what is actually being raked! I'm sure Betcoin isn't doing it intentionally, but this needs to be fixed ASAP.


It's definitely still not right.

This screen shot is from just now.

5+ handed at .5/1 NLHE table

Should be taking 2.5% with a 2 chip cap



I also saw them taking 3 chips from a 3 handed 3/6 NLHE game (should be 1 chip cap) and 3 chips from a 3 handed .5/1 PLO game (should be 1 chip cap)
6494  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 09, 2015, 04:49:52 AM
Also don't forget about the actual rake being half of the rake of our competitors!

This would be true if Betcoin only raked what they said they would.

I believe they used to rake as advertised, however for at the past several weeks at least, Betcoin has been charging significantly more rake than advertised.  This was brought to their attention by multiple players in multiple ways several weeks ago.  

If anyone is surprised that Betcoin has chosen to do simply do nothing about it, I suggest you go back and read the last several pages of this thread.

Betcoins rake schedule as well as players comments and hand historys they have ignored can be found HERE



Example 1 4/8 NLHE, two players

Advertised rake - 1mbtc (2.5% capped at 1mbtc)

Actual rake - 5mbtc

Code:
Game ID: 10232096 4/8 Maribor - 2 (Omaha)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: ungod (613.85).
Seat 2: theschrutedog (400).
Player ungod has small blind (4)
Player theschrutedog has big blind (8)
Player theschrutedog received a card.
Player theschrutedog received a card.
Player theschrutedog received a card.
Player theschrutedog received a card.
Player ungod received card: [Jd]
Player ungod received card: [7c]
Player ungod received card: [10d]
Player ungod received card: [8s]
Player ungod raises (20)
Player theschrutedog raises (64)
Player ungod calls (48)
*** FLOP ***: [4s 2c Jh]
Player theschrutedog bets (93.60)
Player ungod raises (421.20)
Player theschrutedog allin (234.40)
Uncalled bet (93.20) returned to ungod
*** TURN ***: [4s 2c Jh] [5s]
*** RIVER ***: [4s 2c Jh 5s] [9c]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 795. Rake 5
Board: [4s 2c Jh 5s 9c]
Player ungod shows: One pair of Js [Jd 7c 10d 8s]. Bets: 400. Collects: 0. Loses: 400.
*Player theschrutedog shows: Straight to 5 [10c 3s Ac 2s]. Bets: 400. Collects: 795. Wins: 395.
Game ended at: 2015/11/18 4:1:52


Example 2 .5/1 NLHE 3 players

Advertised Rake - 1mbtc (2.5% capped at 1mbtc)

Actual Rake - 3mbtc


Code:
Game started at: 2015/11/19 13:50:26
Game ID: 10263994 0.50/1 Aarhus (Omaha HiLow)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 4: ervas (203.40).
Seat 5: btcjbtc (245.24).
Seat 6: ungod (100).
Player btcjbtc has small blind (0.50)
Player ungod has big blind (1)
Player btcjbtc received a card.
Player btcjbtc received a card.
Player btcjbtc received a card.
Player btcjbtc received a card.
Player ungod received card: [5d]
Player ungod received card: [Ah]
Player ungod received card: [Ac]
Player ungod received card: [4h]
Player ervas received a card.
Player ervas received a card.
Player ervas received a card.
Player ervas received a card.
Player ervas folds
Player btcjbtc raises (2.50)
Player ungod raises (8)
Player btcjbtc raises (24)
Player ungod raises (72)
Player btcjbtc calls (54)
*** FLOP ***: [Ad 4s Jh]
Player btcjbtc checks
Player ungod allin (19)
Player btcjbtc calls (19)
*** TURN ***: [Ad 4s Jh] [Ks]
*** RIVER ***: [Ad 4s Jh Ks] [6h]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 197. Rake 3
Board: [Ad 4s Jh Ks 6h]
Player ervas does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player btcjbtc shows: One pair of 6s [5c 6s 7d 5h] Low hand (A 4 5 6 7 ).Bets: 100. Collects: 98.50. Loses: 1.50.
*Player ungod shows: Three Of Kind of As [5d Ah Ac 4h]. Bets: 100. Collects: 98.50. Loses: 1.50.
Game ended at: 2015/11/19 13:51:17


Example 3 .5/1 NLHE, 5 players

Advertised Rake - 2 mbtc (2.5% capped at 2 mbtc)

Actual Rake - 6 mbtc

Code:
Game started at: 2015/11/14 17:53:36
Game ID: 10143163 0.50/1 Tokyo (Hold'em)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: luismelo4 (107.34).
Seat 2: Cognative (338.25).
Seat 3: BitBandit (215.22).
Seat 4: nukemecca (168.95).
Seat 9: ungod (29.84).
Player BitBandit has small blind (0.50)
Player nukemecca has big blind (1)
Player BitBandit received a card.
Player BitBandit received a card.
Player nukemecca received a card.
Player nukemecca received a card.
Player ungod received card: [Qc]
Player ungod received card: [3c]
Player luismelo4 received a card.
Player luismelo4 received a card.
Player Cognative received a card.
Player Cognative received a card.
Player ungod folds
Player luismelo4 folds
Player Cognative raises (3)
Player BitBandit calls (2.50)
Player nukemecca raises (6)
Player Cognative calls (4)
Player BitBandit calls (4)
*** FLOP ***: [9s 3d As]
Player BitBandit checks
Player nukemecca bets (10.23)
Player Cognative calls (10.23)
Player BitBandit calls (10.23)
*** TURN ***: [9s 3d As] [4s]
Player BitBandit checks
Player nukemecca bets (33.59)
Player Cognative calls (33.59)
Player BitBandit folds
*** RIVER ***: [9s 3d As 4s] [4d]
Player nukemecca bets (57.94)
Player Cognative allin (287.43)
Player nukemecca allin (60.19)
Uncalled bet (169.30) returned to Cognative
------ Summary ------
Pot: 349.12. Rake 6. JP fee 0.01
Board: [9s 3d As 4s 4d]
Player luismelo4 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player Cognative shows: Full House (3/4) [3s 3h]. Bets: 168.95. Collects: 349.12. Wins: 180.17.
Player BitBandit does not show cards.Bets: 17.23. Collects: 0. Loses: 17.23.
Player nukemecca shows: Two pairs. As and 4s [Ac Ks]. Bets: 168.95. Collects: 0. Loses: 168.95.
Player ungod does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Game ended at: 2015/11/14 17:54:35




Betcoin has known about this for 3 weeks, if not longer, so "honest mistake" is no longer a legitimate excuse.

At this point the only ethical options I can think of would be to

A - Determine exactly how much they have over-charged every player and issue refunds.  (hands that were already refunded due to 100%rakeback promo obviously would not get refunded)

B - If it would take an unrealistic amount of effort to determine exact numbers, they could figure out some what to get an estimate, and issue every player a refund slightly higher than the estimate along with an explanation on how the arrived at that number (and an apology)


Obviously they won't do either.

In response to the inevitable responses pointing out their generous table starter promotion or fast cashout times:

Who cares, that doesn't give them the right to take more than they said they would.




Edit: Also I'd like to add that several months ago I pointed out to Betcoin Paul that they were overcharging at Heads Up Limit tables.  I was never able to confirm if it was fixed since the game ran so rarely and now I'm banned - its probably never been right though.
6495  Economy / Gambling / Re: SwCpoker.eu | No Banking, Only Bitcoin | Bitcoin Poker 2.0 LIVE NOW! on: December 08, 2015, 09:19:35 PM
Nice...good to know.  I have a few additional questions.

     1)  Will my HM2 or PT3 software be compatible there?

     2)  In you're honest opinion, is the player field soft or is everybody playing there a shark? (I'm not
          particularly a "bum hunter" but hey, that's poker)

 I'll visit the site and answer the rest on my questions on own....do you have an affiliate link?

Hi Cjmoles,

Come check SwC out!  It's true, traffic isn't the greatest sometimes, but you can play all of the mixed games, OFC, etc, which isn't available on any other sites for US players. There are a lot of friendly people there and some interesting characters as well. No one can use huds and there are plenty of casual players, so the games aren't that tough. Hope to see you there!  

-Naked

Hey, saw you streamed two days ago (earlier post) that I missed. You should set up a weekly schedule so it's predictable. I think it would help increase your viewership as well.

Nice betcoin avator Ranlo. Linked wrong qutoe  Angry Nice way of shilling on a seals thread.  Betcoin has been deemed a scam , shady site on a well known forum. I advise people against playing on the SHADY SITE BETCOIN TY.  

From what I can tell, betcoin is the only bitcoin poker house with a working browser client and some action.  I don't know who they've scammed but it wasn't me.  I much prefer seals, but unfortunately, swc doesn't work since dec 2014....

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore
6496  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 08, 2015, 10:16:08 AM
Hello,

Are the trackers allowed on your poker website please?
I can confirm Hem2 and TI both work on Betcoin and WPN. I don't use it, but I believe PT works also.

PT4 works also.  Just have to make sure to alias your WPN sn to your Betcoin sn.
6497  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 08, 2015, 10:07:07 AM

 I still have ~ 3 dozen support tickets that date back as far as 9 months ago that are still open and unresolved and ~ 1 dozen of which have never even been replied to.


What is your login name?  You can even PM us, but we are nearly 100% certain you will not provide it here or in pm because what you write simply is not true.  

One last time and I'll put the important part all in caps for you:

Here's a polite Fuck You to Betcoin just in case they thought about making some lame ass attempt to try to help now. IT'S FAR TOO LATE. THE DAMAGE IS DONE AND IS NOW IRREPARABLE.

Why is it still so difficult for you to comprehend that? I do not want your help. You lost that opportunity. Help is what was needed 8, 6, 4, 2 months ago. You refused to help for weeks and months and then on the rare occasion that you did, you were arrogant and rude, which must be your defense mechanism for being grossly incompetent, and did not help whatsoever. Thus ~ 3 dozen unresolved tickets, ~ a dozen of which that were never even replied to (ex. entry fees not returned for tourneys that everyone on Betcoin was blocked from playing for hours on many occasions due to more incompetence on Betcoin not being capable of keeping their poker client running while all other WPN skins had zero problems, no rake back or status points or only a fraction of what was owed, entry fees not returned for unregistering in tourneys, the sudden switch to not giving any rakeback or status points for any tourney sattyed into, plenty of simple questions that were always ignored for no apparent reason even when it involved players scamming Betcoin/WPN, etc.)

Your days of screwing me are over and it is now my time to expose you. The huge difference is that I have morals so everything I do will be both legal and moral.

Finally, of course I am not giving you my username. You think I’d actually allow you to harass me just like you harass Twitchyseal and others? Hell no. I tried my best for months to get my issues resolved to no avail. Patience and pleasantries didn’t work. So now you are getting abrupt and abrasive. I have all the proof I need and I most certainly am not going to share any of it with you. I do not want anything from you. I’m here to stick up for what is right for myself and everyone else that got screwed by you, everyone that is currently getting screwed by you and everyone that you will screw in the future.


That bolded part mmmh .....

I call bullshit on the bolded part.  It's obvious what's going on here.  Good luck to everyone in the million dollar Sunday tournament.  A bit too long for me to play in!

Whats your Betcoin username then?

I've asked you in the past and you haven't responded.

If you call bullshit on tickets being unresolved, I've posted evidence it's true.

I can't understand why either ftw or hopen seem to be able to simply look past the blatant lies of Betcoin.

I'm following this thread with much interest and am not blind to Betcoin behaviour here (already posted in this thread or in dice one (not sure) my bad opinion on their behaviour about how one of them dealt with Dooglus).

What I don't find transparent is stating to have lots od unanswered tickets and, at the same time, refusing to provide (also in private) your nickname to betcoin.

Not blaming at you on this because you clearly argumentated your issues providing you username also (to allow them check your issues were true ones), asked for clear answers. Most of your questions looks legit ones in my eyes and, as already said, I'm much intereated in this thread because I'd like to read an answer here.

Being that said I don't think I'm to blame (from you I mean) only because my experience on Betcoin has been always positive til now, I never had any serious problem with them, my withdrawal requests has always been worked correctly and quickly, they have at the moment the best bitcoin-poker offer.

So you are to be respected for your opinion but the same concept is not working for me if mine is different from your?

I just think it's ridiculous that right after Betcoin gets caught in another stupid and blatant lie after a lame attempt at discrediting someone , they go into ignore/spam/incoherent mode while hopen and ftwbtc continue where Betcoin left off trying to discredit the guy any way they can think of.

bitcoinnoisseur sees how Betcoin has treated me, and knows that I'm probably never getting any of the money that Betcoin owes me - why would he reveal who he was?

I call bullshit on the bolded part.  It's obvious what's going on here.

I call bullshit on the bolded part.
6498  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 06, 2015, 09:22:03 PM

 I still have ~ 3 dozen support tickets that date back as far as 9 months ago that are still open and unresolved and ~ 1 dozen of which have never even been replied to.


What is your login name?  You can even PM us, but we are nearly 100% certain you will not provide it here or in pm because what you write simply is not true. 

One last time and I'll put the important part all in caps for you:

Here's a polite Fuck You to Betcoin just in case they thought about making some lame ass attempt to try to help now. IT'S FAR TOO LATE. THE DAMAGE IS DONE AND IS NOW IRREPARABLE.

Why is it still so difficult for you to comprehend that? I do not want your help. You lost that opportunity. Help is what was needed 8, 6, 4, 2 months ago. You refused to help for weeks and months and then on the rare occasion that you did, you were arrogant and rude, which must be your defense mechanism for being grossly incompetent, and did not help whatsoever. Thus ~ 3 dozen unresolved tickets, ~ a dozen of which that were never even replied to (ex. entry fees not returned for tourneys that everyone on Betcoin was blocked from playing for hours on many occasions due to more incompetence on Betcoin not being capable of keeping their poker client running while all other WPN skins had zero problems, no rake back or status points or only a fraction of what was owed, entry fees not returned for unregistering in tourneys, the sudden switch to not giving any rakeback or status points for any tourney sattyed into, plenty of simple questions that were always ignored for no apparent reason even when it involved players scamming Betcoin/WPN, etc.)

Your days of screwing me are over and it is now my time to expose you. The huge difference is that I have morals so everything I do will be both legal and moral.

Finally, of course I am not giving you my username. You think I’d actually allow you to harass me just like you harass Twitchyseal and others? Hell no. I tried my best for months to get my issues resolved to no avail. Patience and pleasantries didn’t work. So now you are getting abrupt and abrasive. I have all the proof I need and I most certainly am not going to share any of it with you. I do not want anything from you. I’m here to stick up for what is right for myself and everyone else that got screwed by you, everyone that is currently getting screwed by you and everyone that you will screw in the future.


That bolded part mmmh .....

I call bullshit on the bolded part.  It's obvious what's going on here.  Good luck to everyone in the million dollar Sunday tournament.  A bit too long for me to play in!

Whats your Betcoin username then?

I've asked you in the past and you haven't responded.

If you call bullshit on tickets being unresolved, I've posted evidence it's true.

I can't understand why either ftw or hopen seem to be able to simply look past the blatant lies of Betcoin.
6499  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 05, 2015, 07:26:11 PM
That reminds us as they have been asking for an api feed for a little while now so as to not estimate the numbers and we definitely need to get this to them.  Thank you.  We remember when we asked to be included on Poker Scout not too long ago when we finally had 24 hour ring action and we were told that our numbers were included in the WPN, then they got a chance to experience Betcoin Poker and included us separately.  This is why you don't see AmericasCardroom and Blackchip separately, but should see Full10Poker and a few other partners.  We will reach out to them. 

Estimates seem a bit high.

Even with the weekly BitcoinTalk tournament you've been spamming over and over there are barely 30 players online (many of which are just bum hunting at empty HU tables) and its a Saturday afternoon in December!



So now that you've decided to acknowledge my existence again, would you mind responding to the question I keep asking?

Pretty Please?

Or maybe just one of darkdays questions if its too much to ask?
6500  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: December 05, 2015, 06:33:15 PM
We continue to experience very good growth in this industry and we are continuing to work on some remarkable improvements at Betcoin.  Fortunately, people enjoy experiencing opportunities for themselves and when they do experience Betcoin they stay at Betcoin.



For anyone interested in reality check out http://www.pokerscout.com/

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