I meant these questions.
Have you noticed they are completely ignoring every issue I've mentioned in this thread?
Do you think it's fair for a site to keep funds which have been confiscated from players who colluded or somehow cheated other players?
Do you think Betcoin seizes funds from cheaters?
What do you think they do with them?
I dont want to make big deal about the paying players for compliments thing, just want to make it clear that its entirely possible that many of the posts in this thread which may appear to be unsolicited and unbiased could be motivated by a monetary reward in reality. I do appreciate someone who disagrees actually taking the time to say something other than "betcoin is awesome what are you talking about idiot" |
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Not only that but try withdrawing on Carbon....takes months, a strenuous documentation process, and maximum withdrawal limits....it could take a year or more to cash out from Carbon if one were to win any significant amount. The examples I gave were just a few of the most grievous examples....Betcoin is a dream in comparison!
Agree 100% - Betcoin isn't as bad as the worst sites in the history of online poker. Care to discuss my questions? |
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Just to corroborate some of Twitchy's points, I've also received 'rewards' for posting positive comments on here, have seen support delete posts, have seen support make posts under user's names and in general have just shown a lack of understanding of poker and lack of professionalism. Honestly, it comes across as a handful of people who are in over their heads and are probably trying their best but are making some really bad decisions.
So, what are you saying? Brand promotion is a bad idea? Do you believe that they're cheating you because they rewarded you for promoting their brand? Betcoin is a good brand and I hope it continues to grow. A larger player base benefits us all. Try playing at Lock, Carbon, UltimateBet, Absolute...etc. I've been around for awhile and I truly believe that Betcoin has good intentions....never had a problem withdrawing (no max, no mins)...deposits have never been easier (no max, no mins)....no docs, utility bills, proof of address....etc. It is the most favorable site for US players in the world at the moment. It just needs a larger player pool and it would be a dream! Brand promotion within a community like this should be transparent. Example: On amazon if you receive any type of compensation (like the product for free) in exchange for a product review you must disclose this. Why do you think amazon has this policy? I will admit, comparing Betcoin to UB AP and Lock does make them seem like a great site to play on. I've always received my withdraws from Betcoin quickly and never worried they would run off with my balance. |
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I really enjoy playing at Betcoin. I have never felt cheated playing here, but there has been some growing pains with the software that IMHO they HAVE been working on diligently. I have played on many of the WPN skins for right around a decade now. The software glitches that have been pointed out here are not exclusive to Betcoin....Betcoin is just the newest skin (and more involved due to the duel nature of its player pool) that has to confront the complexity of the software. I have total faith in the brand! Betcoin is fair....and not as greedy as many other poker sites. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism but FUD doesn't help!
Again, my big issue has nothing to do with the technical issues - they happen on every site. It's the way betcoin handles them. Have you noticed they are completely ignoring every issue I've mentioned in this thread? Do you think it's fair for a site to keep funds which have been confiscated from players who colluded or somehow cheated other players?Do you think Betcoin seizes funds from cheaters?
What do you think they do with them?
When other sites seize funds, they redistribute them to the players who were cheated - regardless of whether or not the victims were aware of or complained about the cheating. Here's an example of an email PokerStars sends explaining: Hello,
PokerStars has become aware of a situation involving a violation of our Terms of Service, to the potential detriment of other players. You participated in games that were under consideration in this case and as a result you may have been adversely affected.
In a case such as this it is our policy to confiscate the balances of the offender(s) and for PokerStars to add funds where appropriate. This compensation pool is then distributed to players potentially affected in as fair a way as possible.
To confirm your credit, please log onto your PokerStars account, go to the 'Cashier' screen and click the 'History' button. Your share will be shown as "REFUND", followed by the amount of the credit.
The integrity of the games at PokerStars is of paramount importance and appropriate action will always be taken when players operate outside the Terms of Service. PokerStars works hard to police the games in order to pro-actively prevent such instances. However, in cases where it is discovered that rules breaches have occurred, the aim is to ensure that any players affected are compensated appropriately.
We regret that we will be unable to answer questions as to how your specific credit amount was calculated. Likewise, we are not at liberty to identify the specific games or player(s) in question. Suffice to say that the offender(s) have been barred from the site and you will not encounter them again.
Thank you for your continued play at PokerStars. Please let us know if we can help you with any further issues or questions.
Regards,
PokerStars Game Integrity Team
If anyone has ever had seized funds redistributed to them on Betcoin without putting a significant amount of effort into convincing support, speak up! Or perhaps Betcoin could clarify for us, since they are obviously reading this thread!This is just one of MANY ways Betcoin behaves unacceptably on a regular basis. An even bigger issue is that they refuse to even acknowledge my questions other than Betcoin Andrews trolling. I know I haven't posted everything I said I would yet, but I will. Playing full sunday schedule atm, will make time tonight or tomorrow. |
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Why not play somewhere else? I play at many different places, but you should play where you are happiest. I enjoy the community here at Betcoin the most and hope they add the WPN tournaments back in, but casino, sports and dice I also play.
Would that make it ok for Betcoin to behave this way? (Currently I am playing over 50 hours a week across 4 different sites, Betcoin has not been one of them. The last time I included Betcoin in my regular schedule was October 11th, working on explaining why now ) Yes, you sound like a child. Take your money elsewhere. I have had a wonderful time at Betcoin and enjoy the community and all of the options of gameplay. I have also seen you in the player chat and have no idea why you literally spend all day in there. If I don't like a line at Betcoin Sports I have many other great options to spend my bitcoin on and so do you. If you don't like it, you also have many great options as well. Is this a personal issue you have with Betcoin? I understand I have the option to play elsewhere, I've already explained I rarely play on Betcoin anymore - and may never again. Currently I'm playing on WPN through 5dimes, 4 mtts $109, $44, $33 and $160 buyins, all funded by bitcoin. (sn = goatofgoats) So telling me to "go somewhere else" doesn't really make any sense. "forget about betcoin and stop trying to hold them accountable" would make more sense. I'm doing this because I truly believe its the right thing to do Dude are you serious? I see you continue to post and I see more and more action in Betcoin ring games and Betcoin tournaments. You realize that you are bumping this thread and keeping Betcoin in the top spot here? I see several hundred people playing daily including many very high stakes players and I never see them complaining... Yes I am Serious. Would you like to discuss what I'm actually rather than the fact he fact that I'm saying something at all? It your only intention is to discredit me without even putting the effort into reading what I have to say. I've already addressed why i think this happens - Since you signed up for this forum almost 1.5 years ago every single post has been about Betcoin and why you love them or why someone is wrong to criticize them. How many bonuses have you received for these posts? |
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Hoping to get through these 3 issues before bed: - Betcoin Andrew blatantly lies in the Betcoin chat room.
- Betcoin is made aware they have a tournament scheduled daily that is setup to underpay every time it surpasses the guarantee. They have known about the issue since late June/early July, they haven’t fixed it – but they have deleted threads about it.
- How Betcoin handled the blacked out tables for the first few levels of the Million Dollar Guarantee on August 2nd.But first here's some proof that Betcoin pays players to defend them on this forum. (Maybe this is cool here, I don't know. But it seems kinda scummy to me and I think at the very least everyone should know that it's happening.)
I am the one who received the bonus here after making this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1136935.msg11992785#msg11992785The next day I received this email and 20 mbtc in my account. Betcoin.ag Support < support@betcoin.ag> Jul 29 to support Hello, As Betcoin becomes more popular, there will be more people trolling, attacking, etc., our goal is to provide the best place for all of you. We will never do our players wrong, ever. Sometimes, we will need responses in forums and we appreciate that. We want to thank you for your bitcointalk response to the "scam" accusation which was just ludicrous. We are very appreciative of your selfless action in doing this and have added a small bonus to your account. Sincerely, Thomas Betcoin Also, I have some more evidence of Betcoin being aware of cheating, and choosing to do nothing until the cheaters attempt to withdraw:  I don't think they were aware at the time, but when staff likes another staff members post - it's made public for anyone to see in their profile. This screen shot also may or may not prove that our passwords are not encrypted. I posted this ss in Betcoin Chat just now, here are some of supports responses (basically encouraging everyone to troll me): Betcoin Andrew: 81! That's insane. Betcoin Andrew: Thanks Post, we are all trying to figure out OHYEAH Betcoin Andrew: We just can't quite understand what is going on with him? Can someone help explain? Betcoin Andrew: WE were thinking about having a bonus where the person who logs the most time, logged in and active would win, but OHYEAH would win that daily. Entire Chat history can be found here : https://www.betcoin.ag/chat/logBetcoin, you can troll me all day everyday - It may work in the the betcoin chat, but eventually someone will read this that you actually respect and ask you for a response.
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As for your ring games, I see that you are STILL raking them extra for a "BBJ" which doesn't exist.
The BBJP situation is on my list. They did make an incomplete list of terms though some of which don't make sense. They are also acting as if these terms were always available and the BBJP never didn't exist. That can't be real. Are you saying that Betcoin is saying that the BBJ, which has a counter IN THE CLIENT called "BadBeat Jackpot" doesn't/has never exist(ed)? Also if you are investigating DDOS attacks on individual players you may want to contact the player on 2p2 who claims to have been DDOS'ed @ 600plo multiple times in a session and said that Betcoin instantly reimbursed him. For many months, they claimed it didn't exist. (there were no terms to be found anywhere, support only ever confirmed this via private chat) Eventually they added the terms and now act as if they had been their all along. I have screenshots of deleted threads and BetcoinPaul making these claims. Coming up soon - I intend on cross posting most of this stuff on 2P2 as well, probably the WPN sub forum. |
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Up next: Months later several players accuse user of Dosing cash games mid hand to win pots via other players disconnect. Betcoin responds promising update after investigation and then proceeds to provide several examples of why I'm making these posts.
10/6/14
Situation:
Player "DINGDINGDING" suspects another player of timed DoS attacks at Betcoin cash games and creates this thread:https://www.betcoin.ag/urgent-player-name-mustalainen-attacking-site-and-stealing-chips-0
Betcoin Andrew responds:Everyone directly effected by this, please provide feedback if you shared your skype information with anyone. We are still researching this issue in detail and have consulted other websites as well who have shared they have experienced this problem.
The common response has been to advise.
NEVER accept unknown contacts on Skype. If someone has you on Skype they can get your IP address, and with your IP they can DDOS you and cause a disconnect.
Starting to become a common poker con it seems.
This is not the end of our review and we will keep you posted. Nearly a week goes by and I notice someone makes a post asking for an update get deleted quickly. (players do not have the ability to delete their own posts - i think )
I wait a day, and then also making a post - asking if the guy was cheating or not. (I had been involved in a very large pot with player, and got disconnected costing me a lot but honestly was not convinced either way if it was )
The other player responded that support had:threw me 10 extra chips and a status upgrade and told him politely to stfu When asked for a time frame on when they would make a decision on the cheating: oh well, gonna be a while and we'll let you know I have a screen shot of these posts, they were deleted very quickly but if you go through the thread I posted originally you'll see they are gone:
 The next day support made its final statement on the matter:Our research has indicated that this was an issue that many poker rooms have faced in the past. We have integrated some defense mechanisms and are continuing to add more to this. We are happy to report to date it has not occurred again. Please correct us if we are wrong and keep the constructive posts coming on this matter. Individuals effected please submit or bump your original tickets for review.
We all want instant gratification, but things take time, research, preparation programming and hard work. There often isn't an update everyday but overtime there is progress and we will always get things right. We thank you for your support.
"Our research has indicated that this was an issue that many poker rooms have faced in the past. "- Anyone capable of using google could research this situation with the same result.
Please correct us if we are wrong and keep the constructive posts coming on this matter. - I did reply, leting them know that they didn't mention whether or not the player was cheating and asking how much had been confiscated and if they would be compensating all player, even the ones who didn't read the thread. This post was deleted before I remembered to screen shot it.Individuals effected please submit or bump your original tickets for review.I did submit a ticket, with the screen shot i had already posted in the thread. I was compensated for exactly what I lost during that one hand (about 400 or 500 chips) They did not aknowledge my questions about other hands I may have lost money in, or other players who may have lost money and were unaware of the investigation.We all want instant gratification, but things take time, research, preparation programming and hard work. There often isn't an update everyday but overtime there is progress and we will always get things right. We thank you for your support.I believe this was Betcoins thinly veiled needle, an attempt at shaming us for demanding answers after nearly a week and patting themselves on the back at the same time.How SHOULD this issue have been handled?
First, freeze the suspected players account and figure out whether the player was cheating or not. In this case, it would of been pretty easy by simply having anyone with a solid grasp of Pot Limit Omaha8 go over the Hand Histories with hole cards.
If the player was not cheating - unfreeze the suspects funds and update the thread accordingly.
If the player was cheating - update the thread and let everyone affected know that all players affected would be compensated after they analysed the cheaters hand histories.
Go through every hand played by cheater, determine how much each player suffered - and distribute the funds accordingly. If the cheater had a balance higher than the ammount the players were cheated,refer to the sites transparent policy on how seized funds are dealt with.
Compensate ALL players affected based ONLY on expert analysis of the hands regardless of whether or not they opened a ticket or how loud they complained. Up Next: A betcoin player starts a thread praising betcoin, but later adds the details of a negative experience with support. Betcoin deletes the negative posts, leaves the positive, and lie about it in their public players chat room. |
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As for your ring games, I see that you are STILL raking them extra for a "BBJ" which doesn't exist.
The BBJP situation is on my list. They did make an incomplete list of terms though some of which don't make sense. They are also acting as if these terms were always available and the BBJP never didn't exist. |
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Why not play somewhere else? I play at many different places, but you should play where you are happiest. I enjoy the community here at Betcoin the most and hope they add the WPN tournaments back in, but casino, sports and dice I also play.
Would that make it ok for Betcoin to behave this way? (Currently I am playing over 50 hours a week across 4 different sites, Betcoin has not been one of them. The last time I included Betcoin in my regular schedule was October 11th, working on explaining why now ) Yes, you sound like a child. Take your money elsewhere. I have had a wonderful time at Betcoin and enjoy the community and all of the options of gameplay. I have also seen you in the player chat and have no idea why you literally spend all day in there. If I don't like a line at Betcoin Sports I have many other great options to spend my bitcoin on and so do you. If you don't like it, you also have many great options as well. Is this a personal issue you have with Betcoin? I understand I have the option to play elsewhere, I've already explained I rarely play on Betcoin anymore - and may never again. Currently I'm playing on WPN through 5dimes, 4 mtts $109, $44, $33 and $160 buyins, all funded by bitcoin. (sn = goatofgoats) So telling me to "go somewhere else" doesn't really make any sense. "forget about betcoin and stop trying to hold them accountable" would make more sense. I'm doing this because I truly believe its the right thing to do |
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Example 1: On Sunday July 22 I was playing was several tournaments on Betcoin when another Betcoin user (worldpeace) took out my internet for nearly an hour by having a friend dos my ip through the skype exploit. I was able to reconnect briefly a few times, during which he tried to extort $20 from me (i ignored or refused each time) I opened a ticket and provided screen shots of the extortion attempts and also started a thread to warn other players and secure their skype connection. I made it clear I wasn't looking for compensation from Betcoin as it wasn't their job to make sure my IP was secure. But I did expect the user to be banned. I also checked his Sharkscope and noticed he had won a ridiculously high number of HUSNGs recently, including 8 or 9 in a row that day. (HUSNG would be easiest way to exploit another player by taking out their internet during match) Betcoins Response: WorldPeace was never banned. He actually won the Betcoin Daily Coin tournament that night as well as the lastlonger and was congratulated by Staff member/"Mod" plo8monster. I can't copy the entire ticket since I'm currently banned, but I do have a screen shot of the only response I received from Betcoin which asked me if he apologized. You can read my response, I think I bumped the ticket a couple more times and eventually gave up. https://i.gyazo.com/d8bbc629835a8fb4ef72ab682d8be5a4.pngHe did apologize in the thread I made: worldpeace: oh yeah i want to apologise3 months 4 weeks ago oh yeah i want to apologise for my actions and im sorry You can find the details of the actual attack in the thread here: https://www.betcoin.ag/worldpeace-scum-tried-extort-me-dosIn case it ends up being deleted, screenshots of extortion attempts and copy of skype logs: This message has been removed.
[7/16/2015 7:06:13 PM] *** leon would like to add you on Skype
Hi twitchyseal, I'd like to add you as a contact. ***
[7/16/2015 7:09:21 PM] *** twitchyseal has shared contact details with leon. ***
[7/16/2015 7:09:23 PM] twitchyseal: hi
[7/16/2015 7:09:35 PM] leon: I was ddosing u for 5mins
[7/16/2015 7:09:37 PM] twitchyseal: what was that
[7/16/2015 7:09:37 PM] leon: i can ddose u
[7/16/2015 7:09:48 PM] twitchyseal: why
[7/16/2015 7:09:57 PM] twitchyseal: so I lose satty
[7/16/2015 7:10:04 PM] leon: earlier i sent u 5mins dc
[7/16/2015 7:10:11 PM] leon: booting ur router
[7/16/2015 7:10:16 PM] leon: next time will be longer
[7/16/2015 7:10:25 PM] twitchyseal: why
[7/16/2015 7:10:30 PM] leon: cause im mad
[7/16/2015 7:10:33 PM] leon: u knock me out
[7/16/2015 7:10:38 PM] leon: of tourney yesterday
[7/16/2015 7:10:42 PM] leon: i demand a fucking refund
[7/16/2015 7:10:44 PM] leon: and i will stop
[7/16/2015 7:11:34 PM] *** twitchyseal blocked leon ***
http://snag.gy/mxnzp.jpghttp://snag.gy/mxnzp.jpghttp://snag.gy/9448g.jpgUp next: Months later several players accuse user of Dosing cash games mid hand to win pots via other players disconnect. Betcoin responds promising update after investigation and then proceeds to provide several examples of why I'm making these posts. |
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I'm not sure if it would be best to start a new thread or just post everything in this thread.
I think I might not be able to share images because of my forum newbie status, could a mod give me permission to insert images to my posts? (or let me know what I'm doing wrong? img /img tags around link to image not workin)
I have many examples of Betcoins unacceptable behavior, I want to share them all. My motivation for doing this is simple: I think Betcoin has shown a pattern of unethical behavior. They do a very good job of maintaining a good appearance to the rest of the poker and bitcoin community with various techniques. I consider it my responsibility as a player to let other players know whats going on. It's something I've been putting off for months because I wanted to include all the details- the more I put it off the longer the list gets and it becomes overwhelming. It think it's best however to just start typing and posting each example one at a time.
I accuse Betcoin and will provide evidence of the following:
- Being fully aware of players being cheated by other players- instead of making victims whole they either:
A - allow the cheater to keep the funds
B - seize and keep funds for themselves
C - Use the funds for a promotion (clearly same as B imo)
- Not putting reasonable effort into protecting their players from being cheating.
- Being fully aware of past issues with their software which resulted in players either losing funds they shouldn't or not receiving funds they were entitled to and not compensating ALL players appropriately. (if all players suffer from same issue, all players should be compensated equally, regardless of whether all players were aware or complained about issue)
- Being fully aware of current issues with their software which could potentially cause players to lose money and allowing them to continue.
- Lying to players in their live player chat and moderating their forums inconsistently and unethically without explanation.
- Encouraging players to discredit those who criticize without consideration as to whether or not the criticism was valid.
First Example coming up shortly...
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Why not play somewhere else? I play at many different places, but you should play where you are happiest. I enjoy the community here at Betcoin the most and hope they add the WPN tournaments back in, but casino, sports and dice I also play.
Would that make it ok for Betcoin to behave this way? (Currently I am playing over 50 hours a week across 4 different sites, Betcoin has not been one of them. The last time I included Betcoin in my regular schedule was October 11th, working on explaining why now ) |
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Ive been banned from the betcoin community. I will be sharing my opinion soon along with many more examples of betcoin support behaving questionably , but here is most recent copy of public and private chat with BetcoinAndrew: Public Chat: READ FROM BOTTOM TO TOP  Private Chat (initially asking why I was temp banned from last night)
Betcoin Maria joined the chat Betcoin Maria Hello. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH hi Betcoin Maria Can you please tell me your username? TwitchySeal/OHYEAH twitchyseal/OHYEAH Betcoin Maria Please give me a minute to check this for you. Betcoin Andrew joined the chat Betcoin Andrew Apologies Twitchy, we were just dealing with a lot and had too many people complaining that you were spamming chat. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH i wasn't spamming chat Betcoin Andrew Was just another thing to deal with that we didn't have time for. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH nobody complained about me spamming Betcoin Maria left the chat Betcoin Andrew People actually always complain about you. To be fair they complain about others as well. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH Andrew, lets just be honest here It was for the same reason you delete so many posts wasn't it Because I was being critical of Betcoins unethical practices AT THIS POINT I GOT RE BANNEDok andrew why am i banned Betcoin Andrew I don't have time to waste. I am fielding some very important questoins from our players TwitchySeal/OHYEAH why are you banning me then maybe if you are able to admit to your self the answer, it will help things for everyone hello? hello? Betcoin Andrew Because we have too many players to help. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH then you should hire more straff Betcoin Andrew Honestly this is a waste of my time. With everything else we deal with, it's just easier and smoother for business. A business decision. We are. On that note, I must go for now. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH noted so i am no longer welcome at betcoin Betcoin Andrew There are some great sites for you to play on out there, we have a lot of respect for some great sites out there. I just need to get through these issues with some players then I will let you back into spam our chat and waste time. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH I am fully aware of other sites and how they operate - its part of my motivation for holding betcoin accountable for their decisions Betcoin Andrew You actually can play poker, sports and casino from the client, you just are not in the community. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH fair enough Betcoin Andrew But there are many great communities at nitrogen and sealsclubhouse for example. Do you think we want to do this? TwitchySeal/OHYEAH good thing im still in the poker community and the bitcoin communisty Betcoin Andrew Do you think we want our host offline? TwitchySeal/OHYEAH i think you want me to just stfu like everyone else when you do something unethical Betcoin Andrew Do you think we want any of these issues that are beyond our control, it can be so frustrating and then to deal with you. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH no , obv nobody thinks you want to have issues out of your control Betcoin Andrew This is exactly why you are banned, to think that we would even ever do something unethical, then you shouldn't play here, be here or ever come here agin. I would never go anywhere I thought was unethical. And you shouldn't either. TwitchySeal/OHYEAH its not black and white andrew Betcoin Andrew I would not waste my time there for one second. Being ethical is Trill. Anyway, no time for this, which is my point. |
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Dooglus, thank you for taking the time to provide your feedback. When there is poker player, we have to review the withdrawal to prevent against collusion, abuse, multi-accounting etc. We would rather have instant withdrawals but some dishonest players make that impossible for all of our great players.
I understand the need to be vigilant against collusion, but that should be an ongoing process; if you're only checking for collusion when a player decides to withdraw, you are doing a disservice to your other players. Whether or not a player ever attempts to withdraw, you should be checking that his profits don't come from cheating. Because even if he ends up losing his ill-gotten gains back, he's unlikely to lose them to the same people he won them from. Given this, I don't understand the need for a delay at withdrawal time. It's over 24 hours since I played poker. That's plenty of time for my account to have been reviewed for cheating, and marked as approved for an instant automated withdrawal. That way you don't need to increase your staff, since the system will process withdrawals automatically. As for your ticket! We certainly appreciate it and will respond shortly. It's a wonderful ticket to receive because of the feedback but it isn't certainly one that can be answered in an hour!
OK. I wasn't sure you had even noticed that I was still posting on that ticket. None of my last several replies have been acknowledged. I guess I was expecting a more rapid turnaround time, like I'm seeing here on the forum. Take your time.  From what I can tell, Betcoin chooses to remain as passive as possible when it comes to poker cheating. When they do seize funds, I think its very unlikely that returning the money to the players who were unaware of the situation would even be considered. I have much more to say on this as well as evidence to back up my my claim - just need to put everything together. Will be shared by Sunday early afternoon. It's great to see you at betcoin dooglus, I hope betcoin realizes the value of your criticism. |
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Seems like a cool idea - Sent 0.025, then went to register/sign my address and got the "coming soon" message. Will this be ready for the draw? Here's the transaction though (my address as also tagged on blockchain.info) https://blockchain.info/tx/6d76aa4d3684fd392d71f271b44f7fce26368933368b5a86c979c434a91eb7e6 Address: 1JqxhKj4CdRqFb7mGdXVMYTMy1MQ5qShsn (also, initially I accidentally sent 0.000025 BTC because my wallet was set to mbtc and I wasn't thinking, that one is still without verification - even though the fee was more than double the send amount haha. I sent 0.025 BTC a few minutes after) Thanks for sharing this over at betcoin dooglus |
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looks like thingz may stabilize.
U can expect me back around thanksgiving-xmas time frame @ the latest if BTC cools off.
My other option is either Borgata or Harrah's Atlantic City... neither of which I've visited yet.]
1/2/500max is good for seeing the flop w/ small pairs, but live game rake SUCKS HARD.
[even compared to Betcoin's competitors, whom you guyz have put beatdowns on]
Plus the food's cheaper and better @ home, AND I don't hafta deal w/ 4-hour bus rides [EACH WAY!]
listening to old people [and I do mean OLD, I'm 57] bitch about slot machines...
As u can see, merely a matter of affordable...
Borgata 2/5+ charges time, not rake. If you want to play 1/2 though and theres a game going at Golden Nugget it's best value. Or just play on 5dimes (assuming this maintenance isn't all of WPN) |
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Is WPN going down, or just the Betcoin skin? Will this affect WPN players who play on skins other than Betcoin? Was betcoin part of the reason for WPN getting dos? This update should solve all DDoS and connectivity problems experienced by the WPN as well as enable Betcoin to accept the new features of the WPN.  |
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For clarity, players receive VIP points when you use your bitcoin to buy into a satellite tournament based on the fees you pay. You do not receive VIP points on the tournament that you are entered into once you win the seat.
...and, by the way, it is what happens in every FIAT based pokerroom. So hope noone will complain about it. The whole iPoker network just to name another one. Btw Stars and iPoker network are the first two in poker industry for number of players Thank you for your feedback hopenotlate. As always, much appreciated. We will continue to provide an extremely competitive and fun VIP program with more coming to it in the near future. Than you.
ACR, Stars to name two. It only makes logical sense considering you are not paying the full fee to get into the tournament that you have satellited into. I was wondering why Betcoin even posted this because I didn't see anyone ever mention this in the thread and it would seem common sense. What are your complaints about this twitchyseal?
Why are you guys making these false statements to defend Betcoin?
ACR and Stars (as well ass 888, WSOP.com, Partypoker, FullTilt etc ) pay their rakeback or VIP rewards (whatever you want to call it) based on the the entry fee that they collect. I actually contacted ACR support to verify recently just to make sure this was a Betcoin only problem - I've played between 500 and 3000 mtts on each of the other sites I listed.
In order to satellite into a $500 tournament, you have to win a $540 ticket. Of course you're going to be credited with paying the $40 fee when you enter.
The only two real differences between a satellite and a regular mtt is -
1 - The payout structure
2- The the prizes are used to enter a bigger tournament
The reason they posted that is because I made a big deal about them not making it public knowledge. I believe the reason they aren't paying out on tournaments when auto registered through a satty is a technical one and has to do with their systems not reporting the registration process the same as when a player buys in with "cash".
They have simply been working out the difference in what was owed in status and chips one on one - only with the players who complained multiple times without giving up.
To anyone who isn't sure who to believe here. Please, get the opinion of an experienced online player that grinds sattys hard
The whole iPoker network just to name another one.
Btw Stars and iPoker network are the first two in poker industry for number of players
Well I don't know first hand iPokers policy on mtt rakeback. But I do know that 888 and bodog both have more players than iPoker so I'm pretty sure you are just making this shit up.
Hope you each got some nice little gifts from betcoin for the "feedback" anyway. |
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For clarity, players receive VIP points when you use your bitcoin to buy into a satellite tournament based on the fees you pay. You do not receive VIP points on the tournament that you are entered into once you win the seat.
...and, by the way, it is what happens in every FIAT based pokerroom. So hope noone will complain about it. Could you please name one other online poker room that has this policy? Have plenty more to say on this later. |
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