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661  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 01, 2023, 08:04:56 PM
Manchester United is making things difficult for themselves even though they are in a relatively easy group, only Bayern Munich is a team that is difficult for Manchester United to surpass, at least they can secure second place more quickly if they are able to maintain their performance like last season.
If we consider the squad quality, Man United should finish in the second place at least. It is true that Bayern Munich is the only strong team in group A, meanwhile Galatasaray and Copenhagen are weaker than Man United. However, football isn't only about squad quality but it is about teamwork and tactic (strategy). Unfortunately, Galatasaray and Copenhagen can play more solidly as a team. They also choose better tactics than what Ten Hag applies to Man United team. So, they can get better results so far.

MU fans will also not remain silent about the conditions experienced by their favorite team limping in the UCL, they will voice Ten Hag's dismissal for failing to meet the expectations of all parties.
MU fans already feel disappointed since the previous year. Although Man United could finish in the 3rd place, Ten Hag has some controversial issues with some players. Ronaldo's departure, eliminating Sancho from the main lineup, loaning Weghorst, pointing Maguire as a captain, and signing Onana are some of the issues related to Ten Hag. In some cases, Ten Hag seems to deal with improper decision. So, we can understand if MU fans voice to fire Ten Hag.

As a result of wasting the opportunity that was before their eyes when they visited Galatasaray headquarters, now their chance of qualifying for the knockout rounds is very small. Galatasaray and Copenhagen will try to find a way to accompany Bayern Munich to the round of 16.
Man United only has a hope that Bayern Munich gives them chance to win the last match. And the match Galatasaray vs Copenhagen will end up with a draw. This is the only way they will qualify for the next round. I also think it is a very small chance because Bayern Munich is a stronger opponent. Although Bayern Munich already qualified but they must try to win the last match because they don't want to make their fans to feel disappointed.

662  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Segala tentang Mixer akan diban Bitcointalk on: December 01, 2023, 07:29:45 PM
Sebenarnya sangat disayangkan jika pada akhirnya semua hal terkait layanan Mixer akan dilarang keberadaannya di forum ini. Karena menurut saya, Mixer itu hanya layanan yang mendukung privasi seseorang. Mengenai adanya tindakan kejahatan pencucian uang yang menggunakan layanan Mixer, itu pada dasarnya bukan kesalahan layanan Mixer tapi kesalahan individunya.

Mungkin keputusan theymos ini erat kaitannya dengan tindakan agresif Pulisi US yang gencar mengawasi transaksi crypto, terutama Bitcoin. Bisa jadi dalam beberapa kasus, Pulisi US terkendala mentok di layanan Mixer. Mereka tidak bisa melacak tujuan transaksinya dengan adanya layanan Mixer. Harusnya pihak Pulisi US bisa bekerjasama dengan pihak layanan Mixer, bukan malah menutup layanan tersebut. Sebab, layanan Mixer bukan sebuah kejahatan, Mixer tidak memfasilitasi pencucian uang. Yang difasilitasi Mixer itu untuk menjaga privasi transaksi Bitcoin, demi keamanan aset Bitcoin. Jikapun ada yang menggunakannya untuk tindakan pencucian uang, itu hanya penyalahgunaan layanan. Ya seharusnya bisa diusahakan dulu dengan memperketat SOP penggunaan layanan Mixer.

Tapi pada akhirnya, theymos memang punya tanggung jawab besar untuk menjaga keamanan forum. Kita tidak tau apa yang sebenarnya terjadi behind the scene, mungkin saja ada hal yang mengancam eksistensi forum. Hanya saja dengan kebijakan forum yang bisa diintervensi, maka itu artinya mulai ada ruang untuk mengintervensi segala aktivitas forum.

BTW, diskusi terkait Mixer secara umum sepertinya masih diperkenankan selama tidak mengarah ke layanan Mixer, sosmed terkait Mixer, Google ASDFmixer, dan sejenisnya. Namun sebaiknya menghindari diskusi terkait topik tersebut karena menurut saya batasan umum atau tidaknya, itu tidak begitu jelas.

663  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Bitcoin investment is the key to success" on: December 01, 2023, 10:35:50 AM
Although I am a new user I haven't spent much time here on this forum.
I suggest you spend more time in this forum. You need to get more knowledge and experience. This forum is a place for Bitcoiners to share and discuss anything about Bitcoin and crypto as a whole. Although it is not a must to be active in this forum, but you must get more benefits if you become an active member here. Trust me!!

At that time I was in college and knew about Bitcoin since that time I saved my college stipend money and invested it in Bitcoin and gradually saved fractions of good Bitcoins there. When I collected and invested my stipend, Bitcoin was at a much lower value, and I made a lot of profit at this point. I might have made more profit if I had held it longer, but I bought the thing by selling bitcoins for one of my essential tasks. I had an opportunity to study in university after completing my college life and there I really needed a laptop but didn't have enough money to buy it, family financial problems were also a lot. Having no choice, I sold my invested bitcoins to buy a laptop for my work needs, and I decided to study there as well as freelancing.
Selling your Bitcoin for laptop isn't a bad decision, specifically if you have no alternative at the moment. You also said that you have got profits, it means you succeed with your Bitcoin investment. So, you actually don't need to regret it, you have done the right way for your life.

By the way, if you keep your Bitcoin, you may get more profits but you can't study properly at university without a laptop. What for your Bitcoin asset if it can't help you? Everyone has a priority in his life, your priority was buying a laptop at that time. You've done the right way by selling your Bitcoin asset and bought a laptop. You can start collecting again Bitcoin when you have money in the future.

~I will try to raise money and invest again in bitcoins to hold on. However, I have benefited from selling my bitcoins currently and using them for my needs, but I feel like I missed out on a huge profit.
You mean you have collected some Bitcoin and you have just sold your Bitcoin?
If it is not for an urgent need, you probably still don't understand when the best time to sell your Bitcoin. We are heading the bullish season, Bitcoiners sell their Bitcoins during the bullish season. They will wait for the Bitcoin price passed their last ATH, then they prepare to sell the Bitcoins. I don't know whether you have an urgent need again, but surely you will regret it because you sold your Bitcoin too early.

664  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dump market potential? on: November 30, 2023, 09:32:48 PM
In fact, I do not doubt the current market conditions, even though there are frequent corrections like what happened today, because the increase in prices at the end of this month is quite real and not a manipulation or irregularity as you mean. I always believe more in the price increase caused by the increase in buying volume this month, especially in Bitcoin because that is what causes the increase to occur so sharply even though the price has not been able to stay in the more expensive range for too long.
The market correction and sideways are something normal, we don't need to feel worried about them. We must think positively because we can see that Bitcoin price tries to increase gradually, it have passed $38k recently and the price survived above $37k. I think it is something positive for the progress of Bitcoin price. Although we still have some correction and sideway period, it is common things happening after a higher price has been achieved.

Well, we can assume that there will be more volume, people try to buy more Bitcoin before the price is going to be higher and higher because we are getting closer to the halving time. In the last month of this year, the buying volume probably increases significantly because it looks like the last chance to buy Bitcoin before it skyrockets.  Wink


665  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 30, 2023, 09:21:33 PM
Manchester City’s squad is not as strong this season as their last season; the new players they added are yet to be fully in the team, and as a result of that, it’s affecting their performance even though they are still doing well this season. One of the main Arsenal problems last season was squad depth, and the second was the inability to beat Manchester City both home and away. But this season, even though it is becoming tough because so many teams are competing for the title, I still see Arsenal as a team to give them a challenge, if not even win the league, because their consistency in the competition matters.
It's true. Man City looks a bit weaker, especially after Kevin De Bruyne got a severe injured and must take a rest for a long time. Guardiola has Julián Álvarez and Bernardo Silva to replace the position of Kevin De Bruyne, but their capability isn't the same as Kevin De Bruyne. Julián Álvarez's main position is a striker, so his nature and basic skills are actually quite different. Meanwhile Bernardo Silva is also attacking midfielder but he has a different style and ability. Personally, I think the role of Kevin De Bruyne is irreplaceable, his presence is very important for the team.

Arteta already bought some players to solve the problem. You can see they have no problems anymore about the squad depth. Kai Havertz, Decline Rice, Jurrien Timber, and David Raya make Arsenal squad to be stronger and have some good alternatives in each line. Although there are players who get injured, Arteta won't feel worried because he has enough players now.

Sure, Arsenal is still the strongest competitor for Man City.

666  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 30, 2023, 08:59:14 PM
In It was a prestigious match that we saw in yesterday match and indeed the result was quite fair for both team considering that they played carefully enough to get points from that match. But I was a little disappointed with juventus because they had bigger hopes if they could increase the tempo of their game after winning 1-0.
Yep. They played very carefully, they know it is a very important match for them. But it leads them to play no offensively and less of shot attempts. Especially for Juventus, they set a very defensive formation by put 5 defenders. Juventus probably gets more shot opportunities if they tried to play more offensively. But it is not easy to play offensively against a strong team like Inter Milan. Playing more offensively means more fragile defense.

For Juventus, they have a lot of problems in their team, such as player bans, but that doesn't have a negative impact on their game at all.
You're right. There were some key players unavailable for the match, specifically for the midfielders. Pogba and Timothy Weah were absent due to their own problems. This is very unfortunate because these players are the key players in the midfield line of Juventus. Without them, we can see that Juventus looks quite difficult to get the ball possessions and control the match.

667  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: November 30, 2023, 08:49:04 PM
Surprisingly, Sparta Prague managed to beat Real Betis at home with a narrow score of 1-0. I don't understand why Real Betis lost this match even though they were one step away from locking in victory as group C winners. However, it doesn't seem to be going well and this result means that Real Betis will still fight in the last match before determining their chances of qualifying for the round of 16. big European league. On the other hand, this result means that Sparta Prague still has the opportunity to qualify for the next round in the remaining match against Aris.
I think Real Betis already tried their best to win the match but they were just unlucky today. They dominated the match, they won the ball possessions and made 11 shots. Unfortunately, they failed to score goals until the end of the match. Well, actually this match is quite crucial for Real Betis, their are secure to qualify for the next round if they won this match. Unfortunately, they were defeated, so they must win in the last match to qualify for the next round.

Indeed, Sparta Prague still has the chance to qualify if they can win the final match against Aris Limassol. But it can happen if Real Betis can be defeated by Rangers in the next match and Rangers is defeated by Aris in today match.

Another match from Group C will soon take place between Rangers vs Aris and if Rangers can win then they will top the group C standings and their opportunities are even more open after Real Betis' defeat.
The match has been started. Aris is leading with 1 goal in the first half. It is quite surprising if Rangers will lose points in this match. Rangers misses the chance to lead group C if they fail to get 3 points today.

668  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Saya ingin tahu teknik trading anda on: November 29, 2023, 09:49:10 PM
Menurut ane trading yang tepat adalah saat kondisi coin-coin kita sudah diambang normal yaitu aset kita walau trading nanti terjadi kerugian besar namun ada coin lain yang bisa menompang lagi.
Sepertinya perlu diperjelas lagi maksud statement ente di atas, mbak.
Yang saya pahami dengan konteks koin diambang normal yaitu harga koinnya sudah hampir mendekati rate ATH nya atau kondisi aset ente sudah lewat fase kritis. Jika yang agan maksud koin lain untuk mengantisipasi kerugiannya, itu lebih ke arah strategy diversifikasi aset. CMIIW

cara lain yaitu mengunakan tradingview sehingga bisa mengamati realtime dan bisa juga manganalisa lewat grafik harga ini dipantau setiap saat kalau perlu 5 menit sekali, yang lebih penting sebelum memulai trading kita harus ada pemetaan terhadap semua coin waktu trading, dan saat untuk banyak terus pasarkan semua dan jika untungnya hanya beberapa persen dtitahan dulu
Pemetaan koin, itu bahkan dimulai sebelum ngecek grafik harganya. Jadi pilih dulu koin-koin yang potensial, baru setelahnya cek history grafik harganya. BTW jangan hanya mengandalkan chart harga ya, perlu juga mengawasi isu-isu terkait fundamentalnya. Jika ada is-isu atau berita terkait hal-hal yang bersifat fundamental, kadang chart harga sudah tidak terlalu penting.

669  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: A lesson from other people's mistake can go a long way on: November 29, 2023, 09:37:49 PM
Don't panic when the bull run comes. Sell when you are at profit and you really think that you've got more than enough for your profit. There are people that sells at a wrong timing even if they're already in profit, they feel that it's a mistake to sell.
To avoid this, make sure to set a selling target. So, we will have a goal, we don't panic or speculate when we sell the coins at the bullrun season. If we already set a target, we have to stick to it and don't try to be greedy. IMO, selling at the wrong time is only when we sell the coins for losses. If we sell the coins for profits, it means we sell at the right time although the profits can be higher if we wait for a longer time.

How will you learn if you don't actually experience those mistakes, its true that we learn on other people's mistakes but for sure on your path to success failure and mistakes will happen to you, we have different experiences and we can't compare those experiences with other people, since you know what happen to the person, you will eventually dodge it but we are not perfect and you will also commit mistakes and that's where you learn a lot.
What's wrong by learning from other people mistakes?
I think learning from the mistakes made by other people are also a good way. Sure, everyone may have different experience and problems. But we can choose learning from other people who have the similar problems/cases that we are experiencing. Just googling dude, there are too many options for learning from other people mistakes!

670  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: November 29, 2023, 09:26:40 PM
On the stock exchange last summer, De Gea rejected the offer from Al-Nassr. But I don't know whether now he will also reject the offer from Al-ettifaq or not. Because after he was released from Manchester United, De Gea is still a free transfer until now. And it seems that there are no or not many European clubs interested in bringing in De Gea.
If he rejected Al Nassr, he probably rejected Al-Ettifaq as well. Al-Ettifaq isn't a bigger team than Al Nassr, they also have no star players like Ronaldo or Mane. So, De Gea has no reason to join Al-Ettifaq. If De Gea wants to move to SPL, I'm sure he will choose Al Hilal, Al Nassr, Al Ahli, or Al Ittihad. If there is no offer from these teams, I doubt he will come to SPL next season.

You're right, there are no many rumors about the interest of top European team to negotiate with De Gea. But it doesn't mean there is no European teams that has the interest to sign him. I'm sure there will be European teams trying to negotiate with him, specifically the teams in La Liga or EPL. Just wait for the time when De Gea decides to join an European team.

671  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 29, 2023, 09:00:01 PM
What he is doing now is indeed for the future of Real Madrid, seen from the many young plyers who now get more trust from him and the young players can perform according to what is expected, not just getting minutes to play.
If Real Madrid relies more on young players, it is because Real Madrid management wants to ensure they have a bright future with many young players in their squad. Real Madrid always did this, it is not the first time they rebuild their squad with young players. So, it is not only because of the effort of Ancelotti but Real Madrid management must plan it to guarantee the future of their squad. Well, we can see now that Real Madrid doesn't rely much on Kross-Modric anymore.

It will be very unfortunate for Madrid, Barcelona and ATM if Girona emerges as La Liga champions at the end of the season. Even now, just imagining it doesn't make sense, unless these three clubs will lose a lot of points in the future. But apart from that, I think Girona deserves a place in the UCL next season, but I don't expect their fate to be like Union Berlin in the Bundesliga.
I think it is still too early to say Girona will be the champion. They also look not very superior when they play against stronger teams in EPL. They defeated by Real Madrid at their home in matchday 8. That makes me doubt if Girona can beat Barcelona and Atletico Madrid, too. If Girona wants to be the champion, they must defeat all these top teams. Unfortunately, they are defeated by Real Madrid, and I think they will be defeated by Barcelona and Atletico Madrid as well. Well, their squad seem not strong enough to compete for the title. I still think that the title will be for Real Madrid, Barcelona, or Atletico Madrid. Girona targets probably to finish in UCL zone only.

672  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 29, 2023, 08:46:59 PM
Ten Hag should stop insisting on goalkeeper Onana as soon as possible. The match against Galatasaray, which he was leading 1-3, became 2-3 after Onana conceded the wrong goal. There were situations where he made saves, but I think he is definitely not Manchester United's goalkeeper. If Ten Hag continues this insistence, there may be expensive bills for Manchester.
Man United has no strong goalkeeper although they already signed 2 new goalkeepers in the previous transfer window. I don't know why Man United scout and Ten Hag have no ability to choose the right goalkeeper for Man United squad. TBH, I've no idea about this!  Undecided

Yes, Man United already lead 3-1 but the match ended with the score 3-3. It doesn't only showed that Man United has bad goalkeeper but they also have bad defenders. If Ten Hag wants to improve Man United, he doesn't only focus on building the quality of goalkeeper but he also needs to increase the quality of the defenders. Besides changing the existing goalkeepers, Man United probably needs to sell some defenders and change to the new ones.

673  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Apakah anda suka trading di altcoin yang sedang Pum? on: November 28, 2023, 09:59:20 PM
saya pribadi tentu lebih suka trading sewaktu harga sedang pump lebih tepatnya ketika trendnya positif, kalau yang dimaksud pump yang durasinya pendek (digoreng ) biasanya saya hanya menunggu sampai harganya hampir paling tinggi walaupun hanya kira-kira saja sih,
Kalau itu sedang pump, sudah pasti trendnya positif, Om.  Wink
BTW gimana tau itu pump durasi pendek atau panjang? Sebenarnya mau pump durasi panjang atau pendek, itu tidak masalah asal waktu entry dan exit nya tepat.

Oya, untuk tau itu sudah mau mencapai harga tertinggi gimana Om?
Terus terang, selama ini saya masih belum punya cara khusus untuk tau jika harga sudah mau sampai ke ATH.

bagi saya lebih mudah dapat untung ketika kondisi pasar sedang bagus, sedangkan waktu yang saya hindari adalah ketika trend harga btc bearish sebab hampir seluruh mata uang kripto akan terpengaruh.
Harusnya baik bearish maupun bullish, selalu akan ada peluang untuk profit. Hanya saja ketika menjelang bullrun, akan jauh lebih aman karena harga tentunya akan cenderung terus bergerak naik. Oya, harga BTC akan selalu mempengaruhi harga koin lainnya karena peran BTC sebagai koin utama di dunia crypto.

674  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is Bitcoin always affected on: November 28, 2023, 09:51:02 PM
I think not only bitcoin, like currency trading, stocks, bonds and others are also very sensitive to economic news because it will affect demand in the market resulting in price volatility.
You're right. When we have any issue about economic condition, every investment sector will get the direct impacts, not only Bitcoin. It is because the news will influence the demand of the investors, whether they will raise the demand or drop the demand. Since it is about the economy issue, usually it will have significant impacts. It directly influence their capitals or their investment allocations.

Simply because it is humans with emotions that invest in bitcoin and not bots.
Humans will always try to react to whatever news circulating the society and act towards it.
This is why bitcoin fundamentals is important and not only bitcoin  but also other volatile assets like bonds and stocks.
It is true that human must react to the news, specifically for the news related to economy. It can influence their financial stability, that's why the reaction sometimes can be extraordinary. We also know that the news can give direct impacts to the Bitcoin price in the market. So, people will be very reactive if there is big news spreading. Sure, however it also happens in other investments, the news can bring impacts quickly to the other assets.

675  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 28, 2023, 09:23:00 PM
Everyone is expecting Arsenal to drop from the first position soon since they are just ahead of Manchester City with just a point difference.
I don't think so. Arsenal fans must expect Arsenal to stay in the top of the EPL standings. It is just the fans of their opponents that expect Arsenal to miss points and drop its position. Sure, the point gap is very small, it is 1 point only. However, 1 point means a lot, it make Arsenal to have a better chance to be the champion.

We all saw what happened to Arsenal last season, they were ahead of Manchester City, which was in the second position with a reasonable amount of points, which everyone was thinking Manchester City wouldn’t be able to cover up, but we all saw how Arsenal wasted the great opportunity that they had last season. Everyone has been saying Arteta has learned from his mistake, but I just hope he has really done so. But I don’t still believe Arsenal can stay in the first position for a long time, we shouldn’t be talking about winning the league yet.
Are you a fan of Man City, dude?  Undecided
What's happening in the last season can't be the measure for the same thing to happen now. Although Arsenal failed to maintain their position in the previous season, doesn't mean it must happen in the current season as well. I think Arsenal squad is better now, they has a better capability to do a different thing. Sure, Arteta must take a big lesson from everything happened previously. So, he must have a plan to avoid the same thing to  happen in this season.

676  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 28, 2023, 09:00:02 PM
A draw is fair enough for both teams, and this does not have any influence on the two teams in the Serie A standings.
Juventus and Inter Milan are almost equal in strength so it is only natural that the match results in a draw and regarding the competition for the Scudetto I think it is still too early and there are even several other Serie A teams that have the possibility of being able to enter the competition, now Juventus and Inter just need to maintain consistency until the end of the season and that is the most difficult thing to do.
Indeed. To get 1 point is enough for Inter and Juventus. There is a lot of time to reach the end of the season, there are many matches left. Both Inter and Juventus must be aware that they shouldn't use all their energy for a single match only. Even if Juventus played all out and won the match, they will be in the top of the table temporarily. So, it is not a wise decision if they are too focused on a single match against Inter Milan but they forget other important matches in the future. What Juventus need to play consistently, they must get positive results in each match in the future. Get a draw against Inter isn't a bad thing, it is also a positive result. So, we don't need to debate that Juventus missed the chance to beat Inter at their home. Juventus are also not in the best condition for the match.

677  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Most gamblers do not believe they can consistently make money, that's why... on: November 28, 2023, 08:50:30 PM
I do believe that anyone can be profitable in gambling, so I feel I'm welcome in this thread.
Yep. Anyone can win in gambling, anyone can get profits, and anyone get money! Both experienced and beginners, have the chance.
But to get profits consistently, to get a good luck every time, or to win every time, it is something different. Gambling isn't the right place for the people who expect to get profits/money every time. There is no guarantee for any one to always make money. It is the place for entertainment or to get fun activities with a bonus of earning money.

There is no doubt that a gambler can be profitable if they carry out their activities with utmost care and show some discipline and stays within their limits, but no one can convince me that a gambler can constantly make money from gambling, no matter how disciplined they are.
If you do the right way in gambling and you try to get luck in few games, no doubt you will make money someday. But it is true that no one can guarantee to win the games every time, we have no exact ways to always win and get money. Even most gambling games are based on the luck, how we can increase the chance for luck?  Undecided

Discipline, limit the funds, do certain strategy, and know well the games, are some ways to optimize the chance to win or make money. However, those never guarantee someone to win every time.

678  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading can ruin you on: November 27, 2023, 09:59:15 PM
A newbie going into trading without the knowledge of it, what is he thinking of or who does he want to impress at the first instance? That's what he should be asked before giving him any advice.
A normal human being can't think of starting up something he or she has less knowledge of, not to mention trading which requires someone having the knowledge and expertise in it.
Not all newbies trade with no knowledge. Some newbies learn everything first before they start trading. Newbies who force to trade with no knowledge, they probably don't understand the right way in trading. They don't know the risks, they don't understand how difficult to trade with no knowledge. I think those who trade with no knowledge, they just guess they way and gamble their coins.

Yep, normally people need to understand first everything before they start to do something. Newbies must know how to trade properly, how to choose the right coins, what the best strategies to apply, and when the right time to buy-sell the coins. At least, they need to know these basic things first before they try to trade certain coins. And they may use demo trading to understand the way for trading.

679  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not a get rich quick scheme. on: November 27, 2023, 09:57:48 PM
If the analysis I made, why do ordinary people about bitcoin know Bitcoin as a scheme for rich quickly is because trading activities that use leverage such as Future trading, using dozens of dollars with a increase of a few percent can have a large multiple of profits.

I think this assumption is what concludes why people look like that, whereas in the fact that the spot investment cannot get tens of percent or hundreds of percent of their bitcoin, but with derivative products it can produce multiples that make a person able to make more money. Because however if you invest in Bitcoin spots we need investment with a long time to get a decent profit from Bitcoin.
Future trading can make people to earn big profits but it also can make people to lose all their money. Instead of being rich people quickly, it also can make people to be poor people in a day. I don't think future trading is a safe way of being rich quickly, it is almost the same as gambling. You gamble your money with crypto coins by trading future. It is what I can conclude from the future trading.  Undecided

Spot investment? Do you mean spot trading?
Sure, spot trading is a safer trading type. Most people actually choose spot trading because it is safe and familiar for everyone. If you fail taking profits in spot trading, you can keep the coins and wait for the bullrun season to sell the coins. There are many options to do in spot.

680  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: November 27, 2023, 09:48:18 PM
Al Nassr opportunity is still open to win the SPL trophy at the end of the season, because we can see that there are still many matches remaining that have not been played. For Al Hilal it was a good result, and in my opinion they can drop points in the next 20 matches. The current point difference is only 4, which means that if Al Nassr continues to be consistent, they can overtake Al Hilal if they experience one defeat and one draw. Now is the time for them to try to do their best, I mean beating Al Hilal in week 15, that's the best time if Ronaldo and his colleagues realize the importance of this match. if they succeed then they will only be separated by 1 point. I will try to follow this SPL big match, to see how ambitious both of them are in the fight for 3 points.
Well, surely Al Nassr needs to defeat Al Hilal in the upcoming match if they want to have a high chance to win SPL trophy this season. 3 points in the upcoming match is very necessary, it will keep their motivation in a high level and it also makes the point gap smaller. But if they are defeated by Al Hilal in the upcoming match, the chance to win the trophy will be smaller and the point gaps become wider. If it happens, I assume the motivation of Al Nassr players to keep their good performance can be decreasing a lot. I believe they can perform consistently so far, it is because they want to overtake Al Hilal in the top of the SPL standings.

Ronaldo-Mane-Talisca will have big roles to determine the performance of Al Nassr team for the next match. I really expect that these players will be in 100% fit for the match. So, they can show us his best form and lead Al Nassr to get 3 crucial points.

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