I did read the case, if it's the same
Usually, I wait some days before removing a service:
The reason is it deserves to give time to mixers since we all have a life outside, it may take time to check what happened and the users complaining may come back several days after to tell us it's ok or never come back.
Just trying to be fair between mixers.
I practice this way, especially when I feel it's an isolated case. Of course, if there are a dozen people complaining in the same period of time, there is no question to wonder.
I also know that some people try to make others believe that X or Y mixer is a scam when it is not true. It even happened that I tested the blenders myself to verify the claims or the (baseless) "rumors"
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Ordinarily, i'd agree with you when you say you want to be fair to a mixer and give them a chance... However, in this case, i'd personally advocate to remove the mixer from the list during the "grace"-period. If the owner comes back and resolves the accusations, you can re-list them, if he doesn't you can add them to your scam list. That way it can't make new victims from readers of your topic. I do believe this is a case that warrants such an approach: - It's a really new mixer... you won't destroy their reputation by not listing them for a couple of days
- There are 2 "in progress" scam reports, and also resolved reports... Way to much for the short time they've been in business
- They've been provably caught lying about many, many key features they try to sell
I've been following this case from the beginning, and i'd even go as far as saying "they're not a real mixer". This is just a one-man mom's basement service that had a nice layout built (filled with lies) and just processes mixes manually while lying about the origin of their "clean" funds. I know this is your show, and i'll defenatly agree with whatever decission you make on the case... I'd just argue that in this case, the site didn't even belong on your list in the first place (with all the lies, with the manual processing, without proof of funds,...) , and now they've stopped withdrawing i think it would be better to safe than sorry and (at least temporary) stop listing them. |
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I'd say it's time to remove this one from the list: ⭐Name: WhaleMixer This is why: " WhaleMixer" is collecting negative feedback, including mine, and is a proven liar. +1 This one does not belong on a list between other mixers... They have lied about quite a lot, they've been proven wrong and they don't keep their promises. --snip--
Too bad for us that they are not a good mixer, as it is a good idea that someone could mix their coins with a reliable mixer and get "clean" coins (traceable back to exchanges, etc.) back. Because many US exchanges and merchants do not like "dirty" coins (tainted by drug markets, thefts, ransomware, etc.) , there would likely be a real demand for such clean ones.
Someone will probably come along in due course and offer a straightforward and honest service. And probably make lots of money...
Indeed, but if you want coinbase rewards in exchange for your traceable coin, this is NOT the place... Tryninja shared his mixing session, and i could not find even a reasonable amount of the "clean" coins coming from a coinbase reward. They're just lying about "farm fresh" coins coming from "their" miners... In reality you get "unknown" funds... I don't know where they come from, but defenately NOT from a miner. Seeing what they lied about, and the amateurism, i would not trust a mixing session with this mixer... I'd probably advise anybody who used them to re-mix their coins, and treat this mixer's mixing session's outputs as "slightly"-mixed. Here's a post i made listing their lies: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314083.msg57452097#msg57452097Since making this post, other lies have come to surface: - They had to admit they're not automated at all
- They admitted not holding the amount of funds they say they hold... It's their "partners" that hold thousands of BTC, not them
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After sending the funds, 18 hours have passed, but the coins have not been credited to my account
How many time i need wait?
source of the quotes: w h a le m ixe r [dot][com] The mixer's admin says (on his main page), and i quote: Random delay between 5 minutes - 6 hours to enhance privacy
He also says (on his main page), and i quote: Our sites is fully automated to ensure highest level of privacy
And i you would want to contact him, he says (on his main page), and i quote: We reply all our clients within 1-24 hours and we suport PGP encryption
So, in the ideal situation, you shouldn't have had to wait longer than 6 hours, since he promised the site is fully automated. If you have a problem, he promised that he'd reply in less than 24 hours aswell... HOWEVER......- He has admitted he's not automated at all, he's just randomly sending funds... Some people have had to wait much longer than 6 hours
- Some people have mentioned waiting way more than 24 hours for support to answer them
- He also doesn't give out letters of guarantee for some fluke of a reason. So you have no way of proving he did not mix your coins
- He also charges a waaaaay higher fee than promised... He substracts the mining fee from the amount he's sending, eventough other mixer's don't do this, and he doesn't tell you he'll be doing this anywhere
- If you were mixing a bigger amount: the admin has admitted those numbers of coins "in stock" he has on his site are fake (well, he started twising words and splitting hairs, saying that he has PARTNERS that have this amount of coins, and he'll be able to get this amount from his PARTNERS)
- Eventough the admin keeps saying you'll get fresh coins: don't believe him... I analysed a mixing session shared by a known and trusted forum member, and there were no coinbase rewards within a meaningfull distance.
The *only* thing you can do is make a scam accusation and hope the admin tries to resolve your case. I would not recommand using this mixer ever again tough... I suspect this is either a manual one-man operation that doesn't really understand the concept of what he's doing, making promises and not keeping them, throwing in big buzzwords without understanding what he's saying OR it's an exit scam waiting to happen |
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The reason we don't issue guarantee letter to download is because we do not want any trace because that piece of evidence can be used against you even if you delete it. its recoverable if you do a hardisk deep scan . another reason is , i am a user of mixer as well in the past, i really avoid downloading anything to my computer, what if its a virus set up by the FBI ? i am so paranoid if i have to download a guarantee letter , i dont mind viewing it online but not downloading it .
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But by not issuing a letter of guarantee, you do not give your clients the OPTION of protecting themselves against you. You take away their opportunity to make valid claims in case you mess up again. If you would provide a letter of guarantee, it's up to your clients wether or not they want to download it to protect themselfs from you, or if they don't want to download it because they don't trust you enough to download anything from your site (or because they don't want any evidence, eventough any 3 letter agency that got their hands on the letter of guarantee would also have their hands on both the sending and receiving wallet, so your clients would be caught with or without a letter of guarantee)... By the way: if you link to a letter of guarantee instead of automatically downloading it, people could look at it online and just copy it directly, it would be just as safe as browsing any other part of your website.... --snip--
we have that in reserve by our clients that we are able to use in mixing , not for us to use and or have a lost on
The available coin for mixing means that we are able to use this much from our clients account to do the mixing, that doesnt mean we own it
But yet, if you look at your site's main page, and your first post on bitcointalk, it looks like you've actually got these funds... I think this is misdirecting your clients. By the way, by working this way, you don't have any guarantee... What if a clients sends 250 BTC your way, but your "partner" lied to you and doesn't provide you with the necessary liquidity... What will you do in this case? --snip--
If you do a mixing and set as 1 hour from now for example, database has to store this info, then if the database is breached , FEDS can link the funds sent and received with this one hour delay,
i find that very not secured.
We do manual time mixing , its not automated, no link between received funds or received funds and the receive value also is random . in court, you can actually escape because no evidence of mixing, no timing, no exact value, no trace between old and new funds. and no dangerous downloadable gurantee letter which can contain codes, or recoverable in your harddisk even if deleted using deep scan. we are trying our best to make a change in mixing.
we dont do advanced AI hybrid algorithm , we just do it manual at times we like making it safer with no traceable timing logs
But... But... But.... Your main page said, and i quote: Fully Automated
Our sites is fully automated to ensure highest level of privacy
source: https:// whalemixer . com / --snip--
we appreciate clients that genuinely interested in protecting their privacy and not illegal activities , we dont wanna raise flags or get in trouble with high profile criminals
ransomware operators are encouraged to use our services for legal privacy enhancement reasons , you are very welcomed to use our services
So, ransomware operators are NOT criminals? Strange, in my country they are... |
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I personally think that putting chipmixer behind cloudflare wouldn't be good for chipmixer's reputation... However, putting a landing page behind cloudflare might actually work... I mean, by keeping chipmixer.com online behind cloudflare, you give less opportunity to fake phising sites... But you can't put the actual mixer behind cloudflare... So the "best case" sollution would be to use chipmixer.com as cloudflare-protected anti-DDos portal to educate people on how to visit chipmixer on tor v3. I'm actually kind of sad to see the current state of DDos'ing... I use my company's laptop 90% of the time, and i'm not allowed to install the tor browser (blacklisted due to company policy). I did beta test using my cellphone, it works great tough... Good job  |
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Well... You're making very broad assumptions, you're generalizing quite a bit and it's not all completely true...
If you're keeping your funds on binance, and using them as a custodial wallet, it seems to be true some millisats are usually left over, and these can indeed be exchanged for BNB.
HOWEVER, keeping your funds on an exchange is one of the worst things you can do... Really... The advice you give should be: don't keep your funds on an exchange...
If you did your homework, and you're using a non-custodial wallet (so your funds are a lot safer than they are on binance), most non-custodial wallets won't even allow you to create transactions with a dust output. If you create a transaction with a dust output, it probably won't even relay properly.
Most newbies that use a decent wallet won't run into any problems with dust outputs untill they start tinkering with wallets... So, it might be a good idear to edit your post to make it very clear that any advice you're giving is for binance only, and keeping your funds on an exchange is not a good idear?
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Yeah, it looks like that this ''system'' is actually some dude on computer that is sending coins manually to customers. That would explain the random mixing time. I had a similar suspicion in the past, but i might have worded it a bit to subtile --snip--
Eventough i've seen clients of you claim to have waited far longer (so your statement is partially true), the time seems to be random... If it's in order to increase the privacy, or because you're manually creating transactions, or because you're waiting for dips in the mempool so you can pay lower transaction fees and keep more money to yourself... i simply cannot tell
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I sent you a PM.
I can prove my sender adress with receiver adress (mixer adress) with screenshot directly from my electrum wallet. I can also make a videoproof if you wish.
I also can proof that I didnt received anything.
I dont understand how a mix can fail, if there is no step you can do wrong.
For me its a mystery.
I used alot of mixers, never saw issues like that ever before.
As soon as you decide your coins are worth more than the value of this mixing session, it might be a good idear to start sharing transaction id's... Maybe sign a message with an address whose unspent outputs were used to fund whalemixer's deposit addy? He already admitted coins suddenly showed up in his wallet, so maybe it's time to show some proof? |
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If a downloadable letter of guarantee, its a prove that the mixing took place and it puts the client at risk, so the letter of guarantee is on the website , it can be deleted manually, or deleted once mixing takes place
I tried starting a mixing session (ofcourse i did not fund the address shown on your page), i could not find any meaningful letter of guarantee... I see a bunch of codes, but no document digitally signed by you. It's possible i overlooked, but that means your design is made in such a way that this very important information is very easily overlooked... This is NOT ok. --snip--
we mentioned transaction fee is charged.
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Where on your website do you mention this? I scanned your main page, i read your TOS, i did not find any readable, understandable sentence that clearly points out you'll also substract the transaction fee from the amount received by your client. This is not industry standard (other mixers include the transaction fee in the service fee, at least the ones i used to use in the past), and if it's not very clearly indicated on several hard to miss spots it counts as misdirection. back to fresh coins, all our coins are from mining, its then mixed with aged fresh mined coins as well then dispensed to avoid clients receiving very suspicious brand new coins always.
(no, no, no, no, no, no, no).10 10000This is the real life equivalent of you selling me new shoes, but you didn't want to expose your shoemaker, so you got the new shoes, exchanged them with a homeless guy and gave me the homeless guy's shoes while billing me new shoes.... NO! If you sell freshly mined coins, you sell freshly mined coins... Once you mix them, you've switched newly mined coins by dirty, tainted coins... You're passing on these tained coins as fresh. This is fraud. No matter how often you repeat your dogma, it is incorrect... Loads of longtime members have told you it's incorrect, it's easy to see it's incorrect, please try to wrap your head around the fact that you made a procedural mistake and reimburse everybody you sold tainted coins to! Here's a diagram that tries to explain things in a new way... Please study! It's the case of 2 company's that sell cellphones of brand "Newphone". They both sell brand new Newphone's to their clients. - Company 1 (let's call them "other mixer") goes to the factory, gets a new Newphone, takes money from their client and gives them a new Newphone => Client = happy
- Company 2 (let's call them "whalemixer") goes to the factory, gets a new Newphone, goes to a begger he finds on the street, exchanges the new Newphone for the beggers old "Brokenphone". He then takes the money for a new Newphone from his client, but instead of giving him the new Newphone, he gives him the old broken "Brokenphone" whilst charging for a newphone. When the client is unhappy, company 2 tells them they had a new Newphone, but they didn't want to disclose witch factory the Newphone was produced in, so they swapped the Newphone for an Brokenphone. They say the client should be happy with his Brokenphone because it was exchanged for a Newphone so it has an equal value. Result => Client unhappy (begger happy)
 we know logs are deleted but other details are dropped. so we cant do the mix if logs are manually deleted as we don't know where to send it to
Can you elaborate? You don't log, but logs are deleted, but details are dropped, so you can't mix, but people manually delete what has already been deleted, so you didn't save the output address?  In that case: look at the letter of guarantee you provide but nobody seems to be able to find, all details should be clearly written down in this letter, and signed by you |
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Make sure your Armony wallet sychronized with the blockchain.
I guess this is the issue here... @OP: there is no technical need that requires your wallet to have been online (not even once). It's not like a wallet needs to activate or register... There are types of wallets that are designed to be run 100% offline forever, you transfer unsigned/signed transactions between the offline machine and a machine that's connected trough the internet via (for example) an usb stick. In short, just by following your story, it looks like you created a new wallet, generated an address, this address got funded, but your wallet isn't synchronised... This way, your wallet will now know the address is funded (it IS funded, your wallet just doesn't know since it isn't in sync). AFAIK, armory is using bitcoind (or a fork of bitcoind) in the background (or at least, it used to when i last used it several years ago). This means a full synchronization might take several days, and it'll use several hundred gigs of bandwith and diskspace. If you don't have the time or resources, there's always the option to export your private key from armory and import it into electrum (electrum is an SPV wallet, wallets of this type do not need to download, store and parse the complete blockchain). Unless you did something really weird, or downloaded a fake wallet, or run on an infected pc, your funds are not gone... Just make sure you keep a backup saved away and your funds should be safe... Maybe you cannot access them right now, but they're there. |
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it is near impossible to use coinb.in site for testnet sadly. i tried it recently and it either kept going back to main-net or failed to get the transaction history to build the transaction.
ouch... i had no idear the testnet feature didn't work on coinb.in |
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Is this possible that I made 31post and non of the post require to be awarded a merit. I think instead of counting post they should always count a merited post. This will make one know that once your post is counted you equally have merit.
I just went trough your post history, and yes, it's perfectly possible nobody gave you a merit for those posts... I mean, you're not giving new information, no posts that required extra effort,... in most of your posts you're just agreeing with others, or you're bringing points that have been discussed dozens of times already. Also, there is no need to only count merited posts, your merit count is clearly visible... If you stop posting to get merit, but just start being a member of the community by asking real questions that have anything to do with crypto currency's, by helping others or by actually providing new insights into a discussion, you'll get some merit sooner or later |
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Newbies are always naive not knowing much about the forum rules and will still be quiet not asking questions from experts in forum. I plead as a newbie to the senior members to help mentor us on how to avoid plagiarism when posting on each board of the forum. And how sourcing information elsewhere need to be referenced and also show us some examples of quality post so we can use it to better ours too.
Thanks
No need for mentoring on how to avoid plagiarism, i can help you in three simple sentences: Do not copy somebody's work and present it as if it were your own. This is illegal in most countries, and on most discussion forums. It is also illegal on bitcointalk. IRL, plagiarism will get you expelled, fired or you can even land in jail... On bitcointalk, the admin is more lenient and just gives you a lifelong ban instead of banning you AND reporting you to the authorities for an in real life punishment. |
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A friend of mine recently had his first child and we are all going to visit and bring gifts. I want to gift $10 in btc not to be accessed until his kid is an adult, by which time it will be worth a lot more or nothing at all.
I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this so that in 20 years the btc can still be recovered. Do I make a wallet, write down the seed phrase, send in some bitcoin and then destroy the wallet? Or do I write down the private key for the specific address where I send the bitcoin to? And which wallet? Electrum doesn't use BIP39, but a BIP39 seed phrase isn't guaranteed to work with every BIP39 compatible wallet either... What about derivation paths?
Is there a secure way to generate a paper wallet offline with a QR code and everything?
I have no experience with paper wallets so any advice is welcome.
First of all: this might be interesting to you: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/TimelockThere are several technical sollutions, but a newbie friendly one can be found here => https://coinb.in/#newTimeLockedI would advise against running this on an online computer tough... Downloading the sourcecode and running it offline is safer. Also, i'd suggest playing with this on the testnet first, don't lock funds before you've made yourself familiar with how this works |
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Ok... So, in order to summarise the issues (once again), i dug into your site and made following screenshot of the services your provide. I take these services as a contract: mixing is based on trust. If I read a list like this on a mixer, i think there should be no wiggle room for discussion, the list is iron-clad. Even a single lie in a list like this should have grave consequences! You are a mixer, you should do, without any discussion, everything you promise on your main page... No smallprint, no hidden twisted phrases in your TOS that allow you to divert from your promises... A mixer should be upfront and completely honest about everything they claim. Also, and i keep repeating myself: no selfmade defenitions... Mixing isn't a new business, if you say things like "freshly mined" and "letter of guarantee", it should mean exactly the same on your site as it means on any other mixer out there. I've included a color code: - Red: proven to be (partially) untrue
- Yellow: unproven or unprovable
- Green: (mostly) true
 Red: proven to be (partially) untrue- Low service fee: Our service fee is random between 1.00% and 2.99% => I have seen 1 legit user posting details of 1 mix and the service fee he payed was 19,3% (proof). You do not indicate any other fees on your main page, nor in your TOS
- Farm mixed fresh: Coins are freshly mixed from our mining farm => I have proven there are no meaningfull coinbase rewards within a reasonable distance.
(proof). You keep throwing statements around telling us you want to protect your miners, and i keep telling you that it simply does not work like this: a coinbase reward is always visible. If you mixed fresh coins, they were exchanged with tainted coins and you're giving away tainted funds, not fresh. - Fast support: We reply to all our clients within 1-24 hours and we support PGP encryption => but there are (trusted) users claiming they never received a reply
- Letter of guarantee: You can check the guarantee letter on our check status page => i could not find a link to your check status page, and even if there was such a link, you cannot publish a static page and use it as a letter of guarantee (extra info)
Yellow: unproven or unprovable- Logless transactions: Logs are destroyed automatically after transactions complete => unprovable, but no mixer can proof this, so it shouldn't be used against you or your service
- Two pools system: We have a receiving pool and a sending pool => i only had the option to study one mixing session, it did not allow me to verify this claim
- Talkless database: Receiving and sending database are seperated => unprovable, but no mixer can proof this, so it shouldn't be used against you or your service
- Fully automated: Our site is fully automated to ensure highest level of privacy => eventough automation has little to do with privacy, and i have a gut feeling this claim might not be 100% true, i cannot verify
- High volume mixing: Our reserve holds high volume of fresh coins for mixing => i personally do not believe you hold the volume you say you're holding. I'm not even talking about the amount you claim to actually hold, whilst advertising an amount that's 100x higher (proof). But there is no 100% conclusive way to proof anything. You say you hold 50 BTC, the one publicly available mixing session does not show this, you refuse to sign a message... It's possible you hold 50 BTC, but i seriously doubt it (but cannot provide proof)
- The highest level of protection: We take privacy protection seriously as it is our core business => after analysing Tryninja's mixing session, i seriously believe i'm seeing funds payed out to your other clients (and all output addresses from a single session are payed out in one single transaction aswell), the phrasing "highest level of protection" is also a pretty big claim... I seriously doubt it, but i cannot provide any evidence
Green: (mostly) true- Variable receive time: Random delay between 5 minutes - 6 hours to ensure privacy => Eventough i've seen clients of you claim to have waited far longer (so your statement is partially true), the time seems to be random... If it's in order to increase the privacy, or because you're manually creating transactions, or because you're waiting for dips in the mempool so you can pay lower transaction fees and keep more money to yourself... i simply cannot tell
- Multi Crypto Support: We currently support 6 different coins => eventough i've only seen people testing out BTC mixing, you do seem to accept other coins aswell
- SSL protected: Our sites are protected from data leaks => this is true, no MITM... You're using an X3 certificate, which is good
- No registration required: We do not collect personal data and no registration required => seems to be true, unless your customer wants an api key
- Onion Site friendly: Our service is also available on TOR network for better privacy => true
Next to this, there are other issues:- At least one user claims not to have received his mixed coins. You say you refunded him (no proof), he says he didn't receive anything (no proof either)
- There is no address check, you can enter whatever (incorrect) address you want, and your system will blindly accept it
- Not all security headers are fixed: Strict-Transport-Security Content-Security-Policy X-Frame-Options X-Content-Type-Options Referrer-Policy Permissions-Policy
- Nginx 1.10.1 was released in 2016... Time for a new version?
- Your website seems to be down quite often, which might mean there are underlying issues with the hardware or the setup.
- I'm not a native speaker, and i'm a dyslectic... Still, i spot loads of spelling mistakes. This might indicate a very cheap translation, or a slightly modified google translation. Which might result in subtility's getting lost in translation.
- A daily reboot? Why? I have production systems that run 24/7 between 2 patchcycles. It's not uncommon for a linux server to remain online for several months.
- I have read the discussion you had with VOD, and i found it childish you kept calling him a girl. Where i'm from, it's no shame being a girl, but the way you kept repeating this word tells me you meant it as an insult. That's not how a business is supposed to operate... Really...
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The letter of guarantee is on the website
Letter of Guarantee
You can check the guarantee letter at our check status page
how do you know that the user did not manually deleting the logs ?
We send out fresh coins thats been aged and mixed before dispensing
we have resolved all our claims , errors do occur and we are here to solve it.
A letter of guarantee is an actual contract that lists the deposit and the withdraw addresses, the fee structure and the timeframe of validity. This contract needs to be electronically signed by you... Either using a pgp keypair or a bitcoin keypair... The public key (or address) HAS to be known by the community beforehand. This way anybody can verify the contract (even if your site is down, or if you'd dissapear). This is what a "letter of guarantee" means in the bitcoin mixer context. I just visited your site, and i can't find a "check status" page... Even if i did, a "check status" is not equal to a letter of guarantee... Some random pieces of text are NOT a letter of guarantee, a canary is NOT a letter of guarantee... I'm happy the issue for this particular user got fixed, but you really need to rethink your concept... The current setup does not suffice (as proven by this user's issue) Once again: you can NOT make up your own defenitions... A letter of guarantee is a letter of guarantee... Freshly mined coins are freshly mined coins... Fast support is fast support.... A low fee is a low fee... You can not use your own defenition of these terms. If i buy a blue car, i want a blue car. I'm not happy if the car retailer uses his own defenition of blue and gives me a yellow car instead. |
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Yes, sorry, these are my two accounts, I'm just testing one feature.
It seems that I need to go to the novice section to check the information.
Sorry, if I violate the rules, please let me know and I will delete the post in time.
each person have only one account? ? If this is the case, I will log out one of them
Nah, it's not a big deal... You can have as many alt accounts as you like... It's not against the rules... There are some people tough that make it a sport to connect alt accounts |
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After half year of your account and posted more than 20posts , now testing something to post? any plans in the future?
Hello, sorry for taking up your time. I am testing how to edit the table. I am preparing for my ANN. The original plan was to upload pictures, but in order to facilitate non-native speakers to use Google Translate, I finally decided to try editing the form directly You realise you're not using the same account as the one you used to create the OP, right??? Forgot to log out when switching to your alt account? |
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Great work. One tiny remark: i've run countless tools in a screen session myself... However, it might be a good idear to add the creation of a systemd service in order to run the pool? That way, you can make sure it's restarted if you reboot your machine, or if it would crash for some reason.. You could also run bitcoind as a service (or whatever coin you're creating a pool for) for example (untested!!!!, will probably need to be adapted to your walktrough): bitcoind.service => clone (and edit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/init/bitcoind.service in /lib/systemd/system/bitcoind.service create nomp.service in /lib/systemd/system/nomp.service [Unit]
Description=nomp
After=network.target bitcoind.service
[Service]
Type=simple
User=root
ExecStart=/usr/bin/node /opt/nomp/init.js
Restart=on-failure
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target
then, start and enable bitcoind.service: systemctl enable --now bitcoind.service
check the service and the debug.log and check if it's online service bitcoind status
tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
then, start and enable nomp.service: systemctl enable --now nomp.service
check the service to check if it's online At this point, you should be able to restart your server, and the daemon and nomp should start automatically without needing to start screen sessions to run your setup |
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