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701  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mike Hearn, Foundation's Law & Policy Chair, is pushing blacklists right now on: November 14, 2013, 07:37:06 PM
I think the foundation needs to have a policy on the issue. It think it's a non-starter, but, the foundation will be asked about it and the entire community needs a reply better thought out than "no."

Besides, the government doesn't need permission to make it's own such list. It's not on the table to put this inside the protocol (the wallet, sure, but not the protocol).

The answer is "no." If Bitcoin conflicts with AML/KYC laws, then those laws have to go. They are dragging down the non-bitcoin financial system for the same reasons they are not acceptable to Bitcoin users.

Money tainting hurts fungibility. Without fungibility, you don't have money. "Know your customer" means that you lose a lot a privacy even in the traditional banking system. With Bitcoin, the transaction record is public. "knowing your customer" means killing pseudonymity (and privacy).
702  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Yifu now working with "famed banking family" to help government track addresses on: November 14, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
A black-list Black-list still hurts fungibility, which will destroy the currency. A black list may do more damage than a successful 51% attack.

Miners can play a role in this as Bitcoin users, but also by supporting mining pools and methods that promote privacy.  They want to force people to use identified addresses so they can blacklist?  What happens when miners start deprioritizing transactions that use addresses that have been previously seen?

I like this idea. Would require a lot of user education so they can understand why their transactions are not confirming. Would make asking for donations harder, but maybe that is a good thing.

Edit: "Why is funding my brain-wallet taking so long?"
"Because your passphrase is not as unique as you think it is."
703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time to Boycott all US Companies on: November 14, 2013, 07:33:25 AM
Did people seriously think BTC was going to 'go main stream' while still completely flouting AML/KYC regulations?

Bitcoin exposes how stupid those regulations are. I fully expect KYC/AML to be repealed. I also suspect at least a few governments will try to ban Bitcoin first.
704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The One Thing Bitcoin Has Taught Me ... on: November 12, 2013, 05:07:50 PM
For socialism can only exist by threat of violence against those producers who do not wish to participate. Penalties, jail time, and violence if you resist handing over your earnings to those who did not earn them.

For Capitalism to exist the threat of violence must be used to enforce property rights. Those producers pilfer the commons and keep any profit for themselves.

There is probably a better thread to debate this in though.
705  Economy / Speculation / Re: PANIC BUY!!!! on: November 12, 2013, 04:51:30 PM
I don't know if it's ready just yet. I think the chart ought to do something like this:

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I recommend using a log graph for predictions like that.


Now that I had sleep, I realize that I was advocating a volatility evening strategy mentioned in another thread. In that strategy, you have a "purse" of 50:50 Bitcoin and another asset. As the price moves, you try to keep the exposure to both assets the same.

The difficulty with that strategy is that it assumes no or even price growth. Obviously that is not a valid assumption. To make money off the rise in value, you need a second "purse" (in cold-storage), where you simply buy and hold.
706  Economy / Speculation / Re: PANIC BUY!!!! on: November 12, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Why panic?

If you think the price is going to rise very quickly, the logical thing to do is hold, or even sell a portion of your holdings.

When the price rises very quickly, there is always a very real possibility of an overshoot and retrace. When that happens, you buy (causing a bounce) or hold (don't catch a falling knife).

The difficulty is the above advice is all about using your judgement. Nobody knows exactly what will happen next.

Edit: I need sleep. I will echo the advice in another thread and suggest everyone do the same.
707  Other / Meta / Re: Demographics of BitcoinTalk on: November 12, 2013, 06:17:09 AM
Please enter your gender at birth if you cannot classify yourself as male or female.

That will cover almost everyone.

If you can not classify yourself as male or female, you do not know your gender at birth. Perhaps dree12 wants people's assigned gender at birth.

Spam-bots were mentioned: Truly autonomous software agents are likely to be genderless as well (and be in the 0-9 year category)
708  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I might start selling bitcoin for Paypal, call me crazy on: November 12, 2013, 05:59:25 AM
PayPal and Bitcoin do not mix.

One has irreversible transactions, the other says the merchant may never get paid in the Terms of Service.
709  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BTC-E.com holding coins hostage? on: November 12, 2013, 05:46:50 AM
They have those rules in place to prevent social engineering.

People would be irate if two-factor authentication could be side-stepped with a story such as this.

OP: even if you know the e-mail address, how are you going to log in without the password? BTC-E seems to recommend G-mail if that helps at all. Edit: I see that info is in the chat-log.
710  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Let me share with you a SECRET. 20% Monthly returns Guaranteed. on: November 12, 2013, 05:26:00 AM
Maria, what if one were to begin with a much lower investment of say 10 BTC?

She is talking USD, not BTC.

If you want a increase your USD holdings by 20% per month, I suggest buying and holding BTC. The longer you hold, the less likely you are going to lose everything in a dip (assuming BTC is here to stay, that is). Back in 2011 when this thread was started, I would not have been so confident giving the same advice.

PS: I now know the answer to my question in post #224: buy Bitcoin. My bank at the time (that I am slowly moving away from) turned out to be Bitcoin hostile.
711  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BTC-E.com holding coins hostage? on: November 12, 2013, 05:08:02 AM
Your dad's boss should really be managing his own Bitcoin.
712  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BTC-E.com holding coins hostage? on: November 12, 2013, 05:02:21 AM
How many e-mail addresses does this guy use?!?
Edit: check with your old iSP, though when I did that with Yahoo! the answer from the old ISP was "no, that user-name was re-used."

The safest way to hold coins is cold-storage on a piece of paper -- in two (or more) distinct locations.
713  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: We got trust issues... on: November 12, 2013, 04:51:30 AM
The trust in Bitcoin is backed by math, not financial institutions.

It is OK if the average person does not trust Bitcoin yet, because frankly, we would not be able to handle the transaction volume.

BTW web wallets have a long history of being well-polished scams. See: "Mybitcoin"
714  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Nanaimo Gold -- Trusted or no? on: November 12, 2013, 03:07:47 AM
Nanaimo Gold is among the longest running digital currency exchangers in the world and is the world's first bitcoin exchanger.

Paypal spend from NG is bought through the bank with cash to a 15 yr old verified business account that has never been frozen.

Trusted? Absolutely by thousands.

I will agree that they are a long-running exchange. Of course, you can just check Nanaimo Gold's posting history to verify that.

They are not a traditional exchange where you trade with other parties directly: They are essentially a precious metal dealer (with licenses I assume).

The difference between the buy and sell price is called  a spread. They likely increase it during times of high volatility. All that said, I have never used their services.
715  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bears thread - unleash the bear in you in this thread on: November 11, 2013, 10:47:25 PM
One never sells all his bitcoins, even if one has ultra bear views - Fact

Even if "BTC will eventually fail and go to $0"? Grin
I for one second this stance, though it doesn't imply we should not take a chance... Cool

If they are worthless, there is no harm in holding them. The transaction costs would be too high to actually sell them.
716  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Maximum Deposit into a US Bank on: November 11, 2013, 10:20:16 PM
Alright but lets say you have a small window of time. Like 24 hours?

Why the rush?

If you want to move that much money, ask if your counter-party is willing to accept Bitcoin.

Edit: for retirement, just give yourself an allowance. No need to completely cash out.
717  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: I promise never to post a negative post on Butterfly Labs IF… on: November 11, 2013, 10:00:55 PM
For those that don't know the context:
PG SELF IMPOSED CENSORSHIP BECAUSE BFL DOESN'T WANT PG RIPPING THEM A NEW ONE FOR EVERY ERROR
718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoLock - wow they really are making some money on: November 11, 2013, 09:52:53 PM
If it is not offline, it is not a back-up.
and how would you make 12hr back-ups on a offline(possibly remote) HDD?

The remote hard-drive can be in a system that stays offline until receiving a WOL packet.

I haven't got my routine backups working yet, so can't really tell you what I do.

Was planing to do both DVD-R HDD based backups.

Remote is important too. I suspect if your are using sneakernet, you would want to keep the off-site, off-line backups to weekly frequency.

Do your really have $600 worth of data every 12 hours? If that is the case, I may suggest some kind of version control system out of reach of the compromised Windows Machine.
719  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The One Thing Bitcoin Has Taught Me ... on: November 11, 2013, 09:31:43 PM
It it possible to have money without government intervention.

As a socialist, I always found it amusing that the neo-conservatives claim that The "free market" can be used to reduce government intervention. The "free market" does not exist without government intervention.

Money is one piece of the puzzle. The court system/dispute resolution is another.
720  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoLock - wow they really are making some money on: November 11, 2013, 09:11:31 PM
If it is not offline, it is not a back-up.

I think this virus would be vulnerable to the Cold Boot Attack. To encrypt the files, the key has to be in memory. To force the key to be in memory, you may even want to plug in an enticing-looking external drive for it to encrypt.

Edit: forgot about the DMA attack: figure IEEE 1394 connectors are a security risk Tongue
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