BitcoinCasinoPro is operating in a very corrupted and unethical manner, which has no place in the bitcoin community. I will let you draw your own conclusions. Operators shouldn't support him in any way as paying for higher grade corrupts the entire idea by itself and misleads users.
This is a chat transcript from a chat we had on Peerbet.org. Mind the 19 "paying for quality" operators he mentions:
Not paying companies receive low grades, including our perfectly fair Wheel game @ Peerbet.org
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I'd like to draw attention to our Bit777 review.
Questionable hand results based on a 20 hand seed.
D- for our software - Yeah, right.
B- for financial security - We don't have a single payout complaint in 6 months with currently 11,000 people that have passed through the site. Not sure B- is realistic.
B+ for customer service - We reply to all customer questions within the hour by email, and we reply actively on the forum.
C- for promotions - Now that is outright bullshit. We are most likely the only casino that offers decent deposit bonuses, we do have 2 separate freebie giveaways, and we also comp our regular players whenever they ask for it. How is that C-??
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We were downgraded to D+ for having slow payouts for one day out of our ~8 months of operation. If I didn't care less I would actually complain. Either way I agree with OP that the grades are ridiculously skewed.
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We work hard for our stellar reputation and we do feel we do not have to pay for high grades to get them.
Please note, that this is not an attack on the highly graded businesses, as most of them do have a great reputation.
Also we have not verified his words with the majority of the 'paying' operators. They are welcome to post their experience in this thread.
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He is attacking casinos in reviews and publicly on this forum (Namely SWC and Bit777), that provide similar services of casinos he has been affiliates of for years, that lended him USD or BTC to get started here. IMO clear conflict of interests, now honestly he runs a pretty decent site, except in these cases, I do believe however with the 2 new competing sites, he will lose his corner on being our watchdog. I really think one of the new site that offers SEO service will clearly progress if the desire is there, that where this guy actually does achieve in his desire.
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Just-Dice chat. This is how you get an A+. All you need to do is pay 25btc and its done! The article in question:
13:54:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> sounds like another gambling agenda from someone
13:54:27 (72492) <badguy> with that much evidence...highly doubt it
13:54:43 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent 2000 btcs on advertising
13:54:44 (72492) <badguy> there are screenshots of actual copyright theft, hash theft
13:54:50 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> why would they "do evil"?
13:54:55 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just dont understand
13:54:55 (72492) <badguy> trademark theft
13:55:04 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> oh I agree thats messed up
13:55:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> but no harm no foul? we are talking words not actual programs
13:55:33 (72492) <badguy> are they a paid sponsor on your site?
13:55:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> yes
13:55:59 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> so is 19 other companies
13:57:03 (72492) <badguy> yeah, well in my opinion, and apparently what i read, stealing someone else's product isnt cool
13:57:08 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i agree
13:57:12 (72492) <badguy> shows real low moral character
13:57:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> but from a service perspective to players what risk?>
13:57:31 (72492) <badguy> hah
13:57:35 (72492) <badguy> ill tell you what
13:57:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> give me a reason to downgrade that effects play
13:57:40 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i will right now
13:58:03 (72492) <badguy> if today they do all this, tomorrow they will just quit with their players balances, and vanish
13:58:05 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> what they doing is shady it's uncool to steal peoples homework
13:58:17 (710) <drfred> what?
i highly doubt that 12:54:43 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent 2000 btcs on advertising
13:58:18 (134004) <SJ> have you read that article on betcoin?
13:58:35 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just look in the bitcoin forum auctions
13:58:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they won a full month in a row at 250 btc x 8 slots a week?
13:59:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> for how many weeks plus they donated 50 btc to them ,
25 or so to us, 100;s of other locations
13:59:11 (72492) <badguy> bro, madoff was running a ponzi for 50 years, 49 years he was ok, and people were happy. theft happens only once
13:59:12 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent lots
13:59:37 (134004) <SJ> so theyre basically buying their rating from you
13:59:42 (72492) <badguy> ^^^
13:59:47 (710) <drfred> @ray: no, about betcoin
13:59:57 (72492) <badguy> SJ right on spot
14:00:02 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> no but financial security is a portion of the rating
14:00:25 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just-dice spent zero with us and they rank A+
14:00:31 (98066) <Nix> wait so I could open a site and pay you to make it sound good?
14:00:32 (72492) <badguy> well bcp I don't understand how can you defend them after all their actions
14:00:35 (134004) <SJ> have you read that betcoin article?
14:00:42 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they don't even offer an affiliate program so no money earned just losses occur from sending players here
14:00:43 (134004) <SJ> betcoin should be nowhere near a+ site
14:01:07 (710) <drfred> they gave him money @SJ, he cant rate them bad
14:01:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they offer provable gaming, have financial security
14:01:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> good feedback from playerss
14:01:28 (134004) <SJ> have you read that article??
14:01:32 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the 3 main components
14:01:35 (168205) <wanda> LOL
14:01:36 (134004) <SJ> they dont offer provably fair at all
14:01:41 (710) <drfred> or at least he wont
14:01:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> actually its lock tight they use blockchain
14:01:57 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> Doug could verify that
14:02:07 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> oh don'
14:02:11 (72492) <badguy> its not man
14:02:13 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the satoshi wheel
14:02:16 (134004) <SJ> when the secret keys for the previous days were clicked on nothing was revealed. They were empty. This is disturbing as it appears that BetCoinDice’s secret keys information has been lifted directly from the SatoshiDice website
14:02:21 (710) <drfred> as bitpro did prove earlier, he's an expert about security
14:02:21 (134004) <SJ> how is that provably fair??
14:02:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its not
14:02:43 (72492) <badguy> Tradefortress revealed their fairness is a scam
14:02:50 (70603) <life> 19:01:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they offer provable gaming, have financial security
14:02:50 (72492) <badguy> in the forum some time ago
14:02:51 (70603) <life> 19:02:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its not
14:03:09 (168205) <wanda> TIL bitcoincasinopro isn't a pro at anything
14:03:15 (134004) <SJ> so bitcoincasinopro is just takin gthe money to keep them a+ then so loses all respect
14:03:25 (70603) <life> bcpro is a paid fraud shill from the beginning
14:03:31 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> nah
14:03:32 (710) <drfred> looks like that, yes
14:03:33 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro>
http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/betcoin-network/betcoin-circle-playing-unfair-network-downgraded/14:03:38 (72492) <badguy> for real
14:04:51 (72492) <badguy> bcp what you are showing is nonsense
14:04:53 (134004) <SJ> bitcoincasinopro you even have their link right there on the front page
14:05:06 (134004) <SJ> so im sorry but youre promoting an obvious scam site for money
14:05:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i exposed them for not offering a fair wheel
14:05:15 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> that portion has been downgraded
14:05:23 (134004) <SJ> take their link off your front page
14:05:24 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> how is that not fair?
14:05:52 (134004) <SJ> on your front page under dice sites part way down they are the first site listed
14:05:56 (134004) <SJ> how much did they pay you for that
14:06:44 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they cheated me directly on the wheel prior to offering provable gaming for it
14:06:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i lost 2 btc out of it
14:07:00 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> dont act like Im not a player as you all are right?
14:07:02 (197637) <Vani>
http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com is that your website?
14:07:03 (134004) <SJ> take them off your front page
14:07:03 (168205) <wanda> we need to make a website that rates websites that rates casinos.
14:07:09 (72492) <badguy> you just said they paid you 25btc
14:07:29 (710) <drfred> @wanda: I'm so in on that
14:07:34 (134004) <SJ> why would you have a scam site listed first on the front page under dice sites?
14:07:42 (710) <drfred> meta-rating
14:07:47 (72492) <badguy> SJ its also A+ rated!!!
14:07:51 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the dice is provable fair they use blockchain
14:08:22 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> I will ask the seasoned vets to review the gaming fairness again
14:08:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> and just for the record tradefortress was one that validated that it is indeed fair
14:08:38 (134004) <SJ> bitcoincasinopro you are a sellout
14:08:45 (134004) <SJ> ive just lost all respect for your site and you
14:08:53 (168205) <wanda> +1
14:09:01 (72492) <badguy> tradefortress is the one that revealed their fairness is fake!!!
14:09:08 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> originally
14:09:12 (72492) <badguy> you schill
14:09:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> than went to posting it was legitimate
14:09:26 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> I kept the records
14:09:48 (134004) <SJ> how much did they pay you to be first site listed on front page under dice sites?
14:09:55 (72492) <badguy> wanda +1 on the idea , we really need a review site to filter people like bcp
14:10:00 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they didn't pay for that elite spot
14:10:12 (134004) <SJ> so why do you have a scam site there then
14:10:12 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they paid a yearly fee to be included
14:13:47 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> again i lose money promoting just-dice and they A+
14:13:50 (168205) <wanda> i skipped to the bottom of that document, saw a bitcoin address right next to an A+ rating logo
14:13:51 (72492) <badguy> if tomorrow i come up with a dice site and pay you, ill get A+ too, then i scam people and go away
14:13:54 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> Bitzino A+ dont earn a penny there
14:14:07 (134004) <SJ> youre protecting a scam site simple as that
14:14:14 (134004) <SJ> because they line your pockets14:14:30 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i have declined many offers sorta like bit companies
14:14:37 (710) <drfred> hahahahaha 13:13:47 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> again i lose money promoting just-dice and they A
14:14:40 (710) <drfred> weird logic
14:14:48 (72492) <badguy> ^^^
14:14:52 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro>
http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitwin-casino/14:14:52 (134004) <SJ> youre protecting a scam site BCP its so obvious and simple
14:17:12 (168205) <wanda> bcp you have 0 integrity
14:17:14 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> you know what
14:17:20 (72492) <badguy> you are a fucking joke
14:17:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> 10+ have complained about the rating
14:17:32 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> peoples thoughts are one of the bigger factors
14:17:36 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> lets calculate
14:17:39 (168205) <wanda> no 1 cares
14:17:43 (168205) <wanda> ur a joke
14:17:48 (134004) <SJ> you and your site is a joke BCP really,
14:17:56 (72492) <badguy> hahahaha
14:18:07 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> BCP Overall Rating B+ Software A+ Financial Security A+ Dice Promotions A+ Player Feedback C-
14:18:20 (134004) <SJ> how much do i need to pay you get my site listed first with a+ rating, how much does that cost
14:18:25 (72492) <badguy> changing your own rating because others are calling you out?
14:18:35 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its been published
14:18:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> nothing has changed
14:18:44 (134004) <SJ> how much does it cost bcp?
14:18:48 (134004) <SJ> whats your bribe rates
14:18:58 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> ratings cannot be bought
14:18:59 (168205) <wanda> can i get a discounted bribe rate?
14:19:02 (72492) <badguy> man go hide in a cave
14:19:09 (134004) <SJ> youve proved they can be bought
14:19:15 (134004) <SJ> how much does a+ cost
14:19:19 (70603) <life> 12btc
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Oh and we are not an entity of SBR and have never claimed of being one.
I never claimed you are an entity of SBR, I was merely doing a comparison with a company you claimed that you have been a source of for 10 years.
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It seems like he wants to promote particular brands on his site to look more popular than others by paying people to post comments for these brands, who of course go through moderation.
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